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Tinzu
Profile Joined June 2013
26 Posts
October 03 2013 23:29 GMT
#221
On October 04 2013 08:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:24 Tinzu wrote:
So on a slightly more positive note what teams do you think are viable for Massan and vice versa?

Something like Root/Col/etc.


That's what I was thinking, but going a bit more in-depth he lives on the East Coast in Georgia and goes to school so ROOT seems a bit of a stretch with them being based in California. Complexity could be a good fit. Ones I had in mind were smaller but based in East Coast (not Clarity though since they are firmly entrenched in NY and though it appears to be changing nothing definitive yet with their changes to say it would work).
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 03 2013 23:30 GMT
#222
On October 04 2013 08:28 ThePrince wrote:
Let me LR this shit.

Set #1 won by Simon:

4:00 Massan opens up with plane ticket build.
7:00 Simon hallucinates ticket.
12:00 Massan takes the bait and spends all his bank.
14:00 Simon reveals hallucination. Massan is crushed.
16:00 Simon forces Massan to GG.
Massan GG's!!

Set #2 won by Massan

5:00 Massan opens up with TL post build.
10:00 Simon is unaware of Massan's build and sits passively in his base.
17:00 Massan is building up a massive army of pitchforks.
21:00 Simon sees the deathball of pitchforks. Simon taps out before battle occurs.
Simon GG's!!


Set #3
6:00 Both oponents are scouting each other.
8:00 TL is unaware what their builds are.
9:00 Massan uses cloak on his original build.

......



u realize
most of that ticket
was halluc
just saying
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las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
October 03 2013 23:30 GMT
#223
On October 04 2013 08:30 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:28 ThePrince wrote:
Let me LR this shit.

Set #1 won by Simon:

4:00 Massan opens up with plane ticket build.
7:00 Simon hallucinates ticket.
12:00 Massan takes the bait and spends all his bank.
14:00 Simon reveals hallucination. Massan is crushed.
16:00 Simon forces Massan to GG.
Massan GG's!!

Set #2 won by Massan

5:00 Massan opens up with TL post build.
10:00 Simon is unaware of Massan's build and sits passively in his base.
17:00 Massan is building up a massive army of pitchforks.
21:00 Simon sees the deathball of pitchforks. Simon taps out before battle occurs.
Simon GG's!!


Set #3
6:00 Both oponents are scouting each other.
8:00 TL is unaware what their builds are.
9:00 Massan uses cloak on his original build.

......



u realize
most of that ticket
was halluc
just saying


you weren't loss
In Inca we trust
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 23:35:31
October 03 2013 23:31 GMT
#224
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.
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warblob004
Profile Joined January 2011
United States198 Posts
October 03 2013 23:32 GMT
#225
Seems like the Simon guy only cares once it got blown up on reddit
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HTOMario
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States439 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 23:32:40
October 03 2013 23:32 GMT
#226
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a aton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense.



I agree, you put it out there it's there. Just edit in the solution because the pitch forks are already raised. (Not mine I don't pitch fork but just saying the community is already pretty pissed)
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Tinzu
Profile Joined June 2013
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 23:33:26
October 03 2013 23:32 GMT
#227
On October 04 2013 08:32 warblob004 wrote:
Seems like the Simon guy only cares once it got blown up on reddit


Is it on reddit?

Oh he posted it there.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
October 03 2013 23:33 GMT
#228
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a aton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense.


It's probably just the Quantic guy trying to do damage control and telling him he will pay him back if he deletes it. Too late though it's already out and the shitstorm is brewing.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 03 2013 23:33 GMT
#229
On October 04 2013 08:06 Dodgin wrote:
Cleaned it up a bit

+ Show Spoiler [original OP, now with spacing!] +
Dear community

I'm formerly Quantic MaSsan, a Zerg player from Quantic gaming's main roster:Quantic Gaming

As of September 26th, I officially left Quantic Gaming. Many people came to ask why and what not, and I'm just not going to lie about how things went. To my fans, I feel obligated to let them know why I'm leaving the organization.

Before I say anything, I hate to drop another bad news about teams. However, this is something that I believe it needs to be done, and I’m not sure where else to go with it. This post will explain how I left the team in detail, in one heavy load of texts.

Originally I told my ex-coworkers and friends that I will not publicize this, but I learned something about it that I need to do this, so my apologizes to those of who thought I wasn't going to do it.

So, my departure of Quantic Gaming started with me need to purchase flight ticket back to Atlanta, Georgia, USA from Quebec, Canada. When Simon, Quantic Gaming owner heard about this, he convince me that I should buy ticket to Korea as well after visa duration, since I’ll be staying in states with ESTA(basically 90 days travel visa), he said despite me been in states for 9 years, I’ll need it to pass inspection on customs as I enter the country(which I have yet to confirm if it’s true). Then he offered me that I let Simon buy the ticket, since I’ll be getting possibly cheaper flights and he can get mileages off his account since he’s frequent customer, which I took.

I told him to purchase a ticket that will allow me to stay in for anytime between 85 to 90 days. Initially my departure date from states was on Thursday, but then I had him moved to Tuesday for my own convenience, which should have only shortened the duration. I sent $1400, ticket cost, to him via Paypal.

Then I took the flight to Atlanta, and I learned that my flight ticket is actually is for 91 days even after the 2 days adjustment, and I had to go through secondary inspection where I convinced the security that I’ll be leaving before my visa expires.

So I told Simon that he had booked wrong flight, hence I needed it either changed or refunded so I can use new ticket. Simon told me that there is a form he can fill for me to extend my stay. I call embassy and found out that there is no such form, and I learned that what he told me was either lie or was given wrong information. I told him about it and he told me to stop bother him for now so I gave him time to find it out on his own.

5 days later, I asked for a form if he could find it. He told me that he called and he cannot change ticket nor can be refunded. It was very confusing for me since ticket says we’re able to change as long as we pay the differences, and I told him I’ll pay for that too. He ignored me on any conversation about forms, but just told me about how he cannot change anything about ticket, and he will not pay any money to buy new ticket since it was my error to have date wrong because I was next to him talking when he was purchasing ticket. Upon hearing that, I told him it’ll be on his dad’s credit card(he purchased with it) otherwise, so we need to fix the problem together.

He freaked out on the part me saying “it’ll be on his dad’s credit card”, and told me “good luck finding new team”, along with how “asshole”, and it is a good thing I sent it as gift on Paypal so I won’t be able to get it back. Being confused, I told him we need to find solution, I’m yet thankful for my stay at quantic house, but it doesn’t mean he can randomly decide to take money away. He told me that when I threaten quantic, I deal with consequences(which I was very confused about, I don’t remember making any threats, especially to quantic). I tried to talk him into senses since he seemed to be in freaked-out status. He told me “will review the matter tonight and see what I can do until then Nothing to say”.

I agreed to this and meanwhile, I called travel agency that he initially contacted. There I learned that you can always change the ticket as long as there is availability, and pay the ticket differential. I also learned that it’ll cost him $163 to change it. During this time, he removed all my information from the website, and removed me from quantic.

For 3 days after the incident, I messaged Simon every night just to get him back since he was logging on and off, while he ignored me completely. At the end of the day, he got either nice mileage on his account, or refund from canceling ticket. On me, I lost $1400 ticket and had to purchase another. From what point he was lying or was trying to screw me it doesn’t matter. Despite the fact that it seem like he did this from very beginning, but I can understand mistakes. However, from the moment he was telling me about forms, he was purely lying and was trying to scam me over.

After learning that he was lying to me in every possibly way, including visa, form, ticket, travel agency and every other things, I contacted Paypal and tried to cancel payment(which didn’t work out since I sent as gift), and I’m in process filing IC3(internet crime complaint center) on US government, which I’m not sure how US government will punish Canadian until he comes into US. I’ll be looking for similar form that I can fill for Canadians on Canadian government for scam he did to me.

Few days after, Simon contacted me saying good luck getting my money back, and he indeed changed the ticket at the moment I contacted him, which he will not give it to me obviously because I’m double face asshole. He told me that the ticket cost him 85 dollars(by default ticket changing fee costs 100 minimum, so it’s lie, but I still called airline and confirmed that it indeed is a lie and ticket was not changed from the beginning)

As said, I wasn’t going to reveal this to public for the good of my friends who still remains in the team. However, I learned that Simon has been telling others that I stole money from his pocket as I left the place, and I threatened him meanwhile. I will not stand framing. I cannot imagine what he's going to tell others if he tells quantic gaming that I have stole his property and threatened him, as well as I'm full of lies that I never spoke of, hence I decided to go public with this. I love Starcraft 2 and it's community. I didn't want my career to end with me leaving Quantic, and this seemed only way to prevent that.

You can find detailed skype chat down below, everything from start to the end to not give you any wrong information or even try to hide it. To make sure any part is not cropped, I copy pasted end part of screenshot at the beginning of next screen shot. This might includes some information that it shouldn’t be on public, but I cannot find a way to give you top to bottom view otherwise.

As of now, I'd like to ask formal apologize from Quantic gamings owner, Simon Boudreault, as well as refund for ticket, although it is very unlikely to happen given situation.

http://imgur.com/Li9NniK Imgurlink

As a note, I have not told any lies about organization to anyone especially to my teammates. However, I cannot prevent lie If information feeder, which are Quantic Gamings Organization Management team, lied to me to begin with. Then I'm sorry to hear that you had to lie about how things were handled and went to cover up what actually happen when you told me about those.

Thank you viewers for reading this hell of texts. I appreciate your support on the organization and me, and I really hope this doesn't change your view on Starcrtaft scene.


Thanks Dodgin, this is pretty Dodgy... heh

No seriously this is horrible and I hope you can get your money back/find a new team OP and thanks for exposing your story since horrid stories like this need to be quelled so people can make a safe living in eSports.
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Meurk
Profile Joined October 2013
Netherlands1 Post
October 03 2013 23:34 GMT
#230
Good Luck with this Massan.
This must weigh on him very much
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 03 2013 23:35 GMT
#231
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.


I reposted it two pages back.
Tinzu
Profile Joined June 2013
26 Posts
October 03 2013 23:40 GMT
#232
On October 04 2013 08:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.


I reposted it two pages back.


You don't count, sorry.
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
October 03 2013 23:40 GMT
#233
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.



LOL. You are so tilted that you just toppled over.

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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 23:45:51
October 03 2013 23:42 GMT
#234
On October 04 2013 08:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.


I reposted it two pages back.


Aye, thanks Did you just happen to have it open still when you noticed the op edit? :O Too bad we can't shove it back in the op itself. A mod really should, imo. Sure, I can get being sensitive to the ops wishes, but he already put this out here and made a huge news thing about it both here and on reddit. This community would suck if people were habituated to creating threads, starting conversations and deleting the op. I'm not saying it has never happened - just that there are pretty obvious reasons why it very rarely does. I feel like it can at least be considered by forum moderation as a matter of ensuring a certain kind of consistency in experience where things don't just vanish like this. Not to mention the benefit to our community of having transparency when it comes to scammy bullshit like this. People need to know. Massan pulls the plug on this t hread and complies with helping the Quantic guy to save what face he can, but what about the next Massan who wanders into the same experience, because you only cared about making things right for you? Scummy pseudo-professional organizations need to be called out because they severely hurt esports. The team/organization level of esports is a very important place for us to achieve professionalism. Which includes basic decency - in the form of being honest, and not stealing from people. You almost did something good for the scene, Massan.

Instead, you just did something where you and captain scumbag win, and the scene at large, and the next Massan's, lose. You allowed him to make the notion of recompense, or doing the right thing, to be conditional upon you ceasing to expose his having done something wrong in the first place. I am disappointed.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 23:46:28
October 03 2013 23:45 GMT
#235
On October 04 2013 08:42 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:35 Dodgin wrote:
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.


I reposted it two pages back.


Aye, thanks Did you just happen to have it open still when you noticed the op edit? :O Too bad we can't shove it back in the op itself. A mod really should, imo. Sure, I can get being sensitive to the ops wishes, but he already put this out here and made a huge news thing about it both here and on reddit. This community would suck if people were habituated to creating threads, starting conversations and deleting the op. I'm not saying it has never happened - just that there are pretty obvious reasons why it very rarely does. I feel like it can at least be considered by forum moderation as a matter of ensuring a certain kind of consistency in experience where things don't just vanish like this. Not to mention the benefit to our community of having transparency when it comes to scammy bullshit like this. People need to know. Massan pulls the plug on this t hread and complies with helping the Quantic guy to save what face he can, but what about the next Massan who wanders into the same experience, because you only cared about making things right for you? Scummy pseudo-professional organizations need to be called out because they severely hurt esports. The team/organization level of esports is a very important place for us to achieve professionalism. Which includes basic decency - in the form of being honest, and not stealing from people. You almost did something good for the scene, Massan.


I am in full agreement with you, I was able to get the post again because I was out and browsing TL on my phone. I just so happened to be looking at the OP when I arrived home and then once I noticed it was edited I opened up my phone browser and it was still there. Pure coincidence.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
October 03 2013 23:46 GMT
#236
On October 04 2013 08:45 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:42 Lumi wrote:
On October 04 2013 08:35 Dodgin wrote:
On October 04 2013 08:31 Lumi wrote:
The OP edit is pretty ... dumb. After you already put it out there. You could have told him you'll edit it after the problem is solved, not when he says he'll 'talk about a solution' with you. I think it's silly just off of the concept of trying to say something, to a ton of people, and to then take it back or hide it. That's just non-sense. Now you are just going to get people wondering what this was all about, while some know, and continue to talk about it. Shit like this makes me want to start saving threads in notepads just to defy this kind of move. Now it's like you just got everyones attention to come look at this story and people are talking about it, its on the front page of reddit sc and now they get here and see nothing. Except that you're seeking a professional solution. Yeah, because that is really going to give them an accurate idea of what this was all about.

Looks like you just used the sharing of your story to get some leverage on that guy and as soon as that started to go your way, you toss it out the window. Blah. So dumb.


I reposted it two pages back.


Aye, thanks Did you just happen to have it open still when you noticed the op edit? :O Too bad we can't shove it back in the op itself. A mod really should, imo. Sure, I can get being sensitive to the ops wishes, but he already put this out here and made a huge news thing about it both here and on reddit. This community would suck if people were habituated to creating threads, starting conversations and deleting the op. I'm not saying it has never happened - just that there are pretty obvious reasons why it very rarely does. I feel like it can at least be considered by forum moderation as a matter of ensuring a certain kind of consistency in experience where things don't just vanish like this. Not to mention the benefit to our community of having transparency when it comes to scammy bullshit like this. People need to know. Massan pulls the plug on this t hread and complies with helping the Quantic guy to save what face he can, but what about the next Massan who wanders into the same experience, because you only cared about making things right for you? Scummy pseudo-professional organizations need to be called out because they severely hurt esports. The team/organization level of esports is a very important place for us to achieve professionalism. Which includes basic decency - in the form of being honest, and not stealing from people. You almost did something good for the scene, Massan.


I am in full agreement with you, I was able to get the post again because I was out and browsing TL on my phone, I just so happened to be looking at the OP when I arrived home and then once I noticed it was edited I opened up my phone browser and it was still there. Pure coincidence.


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Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
October 03 2013 23:51 GMT
#237
I cant find any information in the OP at the moment?
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 03 2013 23:53 GMT
#238
On October 04 2013 08:51 Glorfindel! wrote:
I cant find any information in the OP at the moment?


Check Dodgin's re-post of original OP.
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On October 04 2013 08:53 felisconcolori wrote:
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On October 04 2013 08:51 Glorfindel! wrote:
I cant find any information in the OP at the moment?


Check Dodgin's re-post of original OP.

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