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SC2 Power Rank - September 2013 - Page 13

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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 06 2013 11:58 GMT
#241
I.... agree.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
September 06 2013 12:04 GMT
#242
On September 06 2013 17:13 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote:
This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.

There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall.
Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).

Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already.
Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.

So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10.
But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


Haha, yeah nice and ignorant . Hope to see you back soon Scarlett!
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
September 06 2013 12:27 GMT
#243
On September 06 2013 16:45 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote:
Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.

"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.


The funny part is nowadays people use it with the complete opposite connotation.

Kinda like JYPvT :s
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 06 2013 12:38 GMT
#244
On September 06 2013 16:54 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 06:58 Assirra wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:45 FakePseudo wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:40 Caladan wrote:
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote:
I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.


?

Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.


He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.

But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.

It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR.
You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix.
Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.

That's not the important difference. In BW the most powerful player won much more frequently against weaker opponents. (Like e.g. JD and Flash facing each other in 4 straight finals or the reign of the bonjwas...) in sc2 anyone in top 20 can win a tournament.


Eh you'll actually be surprised. I guarantee flash and jaedong wouldn't have won as many tournaments if they played in as many tournaments + traveled as much as now (well I guess jaedong, flash hasn't traveled to much yet). I feel like people don't realize how much that actually affects players especially the more they do in a short amount of time.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
September 06 2013 18:09 GMT
#245
Given how heavily you guys tend to weight the most recent tournaments I'm surprised Innovation even made it to the list at all.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
1handsomE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States199 Posts
September 06 2013 18:21 GMT
#246
I think there's an elephant in the room.
MarineKing / Jaedong / DeMusliM / SeleCT / Maru hwaiting!
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
September 06 2013 20:13 GMT
#247
On September 07 2013 03:21 1handsomE wrote:
I think there's an elephant in the room.

Because there are a whopping 4 elephants in the top ten? Or what did you mean, I'm puzzled?
Get off my lawn, young punks
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
September 06 2013 21:10 GMT
#248
On September 06 2013 17:13 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote:
This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.

There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall.
Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).

Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already.
Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.

So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10.
But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

That whoever wrote it is stupid as shit and doesn't understand that wrists that hurts need rest.
I hope you have a speedy recovery and returns stronger than ever.
Fighting!!!
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
September 06 2013 21:39 GMT
#249
Maru so overrated. I'm mostly a Terran fan but tbf Maru's standard play is worse than any top10 Terran. He was just much better prepared during OSL than his opponents, probably due to a coach or teammate. In a setting where you can't prepare that deeply and just have to play solid games he can lose to any shitty player (see WCS finals)
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
September 06 2013 22:58 GMT
#250
Im not sure innovation really deserves to slide that far down what did some of the people above him like maru really do so much better to stay higher? I think flash should get on the chart just because hes flash maybe add an eleventh spot and just always give it to him
Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
September 07 2013 00:12 GMT
#251
DRG is going to be up here next time around! <3
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
September 07 2013 00:25 GMT
#252
On September 06 2013 21:38 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 16:54 Elroi wrote:
On September 06 2013 06:58 Assirra wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:45 FakePseudo wrote:
On September 06 2013 05:40 Caladan wrote:
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote:
I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.


?

Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.


He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.

But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.

It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR.
You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix.
Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.

That's not the important difference. In BW the most powerful player won much more frequently against weaker opponents. (Like e.g. JD and Flash facing each other in 4 straight finals or the reign of the bonjwas...) in sc2 anyone in top 20 can win a tournament.


Eh you'll actually be surprised. I guarantee flash and jaedong wouldn't have won as many tournaments if they played in as many tournaments + traveled as much as now (well I guess jaedong, flash hasn't traveled to much yet). I feel like people don't realize how much that actually affects players especially the more they do in a short amount of time.

And i want to add on that, in old BW times, all the training, strategies, replay is strictly kept in team. And the ladder practice is far less effective than SCII. So basically, it's much harder for low level players to match the top-tier.
holmesgenius
Profile Joined February 2013
Vietnam65 Posts
September 07 2013 15:57 GMT
#253
taeja showed us how strong he was.
2-3 Polt
2-3 Bomber
He just got a bad luck. Unlike JD. JD was really bad vs Terran last season
Terran imbalance ---- Zerg wins ---- Protoss advances
TheNoob69
Profile Joined July 2013
Singapore102 Posts
September 08 2013 07:51 GMT
#254
4 of top 5 terrans O.o
MVP Hwaiting
GreenFate
Profile Joined March 2011
France289 Posts
September 08 2013 08:07 GMT
#255
DRG is back, all this became totally irrelevant.
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
September 09 2013 09:54 GMT
#256
jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
JapWHIZZR
Profile Joined May 2012
United States14 Posts
September 10 2013 08:27 GMT
#257
Great rank! imo jaedong outranks maru tho
Never forget the Spanishiwa Inquisition.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
September 10 2013 08:46 GMT
#258
On September 06 2013 21:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 16:45 Elroi wrote:
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote:
Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.

"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.


The funny part is nowadays people use it with the complete opposite connotation.

Kinda like JYPvT :s


nobody loves JYP anymore
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
September 10 2013 08:52 GMT
#259
How can Jaedong not be #2 doh
MC for president
InfamousOne
Profile Joined April 2013
United States110 Posts
September 10 2013 23:18 GMT
#260
polt n bomber!!! yayyyy my fave 2 players!
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