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On September 06 2013 06:36 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:13 purgerinho wrote:
taeja at no2? funny...
maybe he would win against jd but he would not win against players JD crushed...
i really hope that taeja is not at no2 just because he is from liquid.. but again, i can't see another reason why he is where he is.. his performance is not no2, not even in a dream.. Taeja beat Rain, who also lost to JD Do you really think Taeja isn't able to beat Naniwa, First, MC or Jim and Scarlett? He'd be favorite against all of them
maybe he would be against all of them but it would be interesting to see him against scarletts zvt and against first.. or even jim, he has very good pvt..
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I can see why people would argue JD had better results than Taeja, but i don't get why a lot of people think he would have any problems beating Naniwa or MC, who might be good but not rain level in PvT in any way.
Every time a Power Rank comes out People hate on Taeja being to high and still he keeps improving every month and just climbing up the ladder.
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On September 06 2013 05:45 FakePseudo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 05:40 Caladan wrote:On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote:
I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament. ? Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days. He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events. But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR.
You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix.
Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.
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Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
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Everyone saying that Jaedong should be ranked higher than Taeja is out of their minds. Jaedong was DEMOLISHED by Polt and Bomber, while Taeja played both in close series, not to mention beat Innovation, and, in my opinion, would have certainly won the finals against JD had it been him instead of Bomber.
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On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote:
Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
Kinda hard to argue imbalance though when PvT is about as statistically "imbalanced" as TvZ yet Taeja went 22-5 vs Protoss (Jaedong 2-9 vs Terran), with many notable games going late. Just imagine if Jaedong and Scarlett could fuse.
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How Rain is above Innovation beats me. So, what are the sins of Innovation: Losing to Maru, Parting, Taeja and Naniwa (10 maps dropped in total). Oh, wait, he lost to Maru in July, that doesn't count. So it's only 6 maps lost. What about Rain? Lost to Maru, Parting, Taeja and Jaedong (dropped 11 maps). Looks similar to Innovation+July, doesn't it. The only difference is switching Naniwa for Jaedong. But actually, Rain dropped 5 more maps and lost to Maru while Innovation did not.
On the plus side, Rain beat Bomber 4-1, MC and Welmu (basically don't count.) Innovation, on the other hand, 3-0's Soulkey and won against the formidable Zest. Good on Rain for beating Bomber, god knows many cannot, but that's his only win. Innovation at the same time took 3 different matches, and especially the matches against Soulkey. Overall map scores: Innovation 6-6, Rain 10-11.
The power ranking mistook Innovation's defeat to Maru from July, without taking Rain's rather mediocre results into account both in terms of a lack of tournament wins and losing to the likes of Hyvaa, Trap and Pigbaby. The only explanation I can think of is that Innovation's defeats were much more widely discussed, while Rain's more mediocre results were just forgotten.
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I agree on the rank, I just don't care for any protoss players that are in. 
Do you guys have the resources to do a sub-ranking like "who's the best z/t/p this month"?
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And please add another category like "most awkward winning ceremony". Bomber would rank #1 again.
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On September 06 2013 14:52 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote:
Just imagine if Jaedong and Scarlett could fuse.
Whooaaa.. whoa. Nerd chills
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On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote:
Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.
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Bomber is totally overrated. He beat First who has an obvious weakness in midgame TvP, Grubby doesn't count, Scarlett a foreigner, JD who is a ZvT noob, and almost choked away his 2-0 lead vs Taeja. Now Bomber is good at mixing up WoL and HoTS strats, will give him that but against solid players like Rain, SK, or even more tricky player like sOs he won't stand a chance.
Overall pretty disappoint with this PR. The TL writers seem to chicken out from putting up more fundamentally good players, and go with the safe route of copy/ paste tournaments ranking into this PR.
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On September 06 2013 06:58 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 05:45 FakePseudo wrote:On September 06 2013 05:40 Caladan wrote:On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote:
I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament. ? Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days. He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events. But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now. It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR. You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix. Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.
That's not the important difference. In BW the most powerful player won much more frequently against weaker opponents. (Like e.g. JD and Flash facing each other in 4 straight finals or the reign of the bonjwas...) in sc2 anyone in top 20 can win a tournament.
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On September 05 2013 23:11 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote:
I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me. I really have to quote this. Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT. She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
Yeah, I agree too. If you look at the facts, she did not play a bad series in august and only lost to N1 and N3 of the PR in a very very close fashion.
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On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote:
This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.
There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall.
Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).
Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already.
Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.
So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10.
But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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Thanks, great read as always
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On September 05 2013 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
:O
you know, I'm overjoyed to see the annoying Kespa fanboys who were out in full-force for the first 2 power ranks get stomped back into their holes, but I can't say I agree with the placement of Bogus and Rain at all.
Bogus should be #3 and no less in my book, while First and Rain should be swapped. I don't understand how that conclusion was reached at all. I mean the criteria states past results and quality of play factor in, so I can't understand #8 for Bogus.
At least the top 10 matches my own completely, just not the same order.
power rank is your consolation pill now 
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Bomber finally T___T
also Taeja going strong!
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EPT
