Core Gaming Official Launch - Page 6

On August 31 2013 16:23 DirtyBirD wrote:
Seriously... I hate drama, but NanoClouD seems to enjoy the hell out of it. After reading his post concerning the ordeal with sMi, I'm pretty disgusted. The lies that this guy says and the way he twists words is pretty sickening. What's even worse is that people fall for it and back him up. I can pull a NanoClouD too and go all gung-ho with Skype chat logs if we have to play that game.


Sorry if this derails your thread, I do hope that a number of your players do really well for themselves, but there are some within your organization that are rotten to the core and will only be a serious burden to you.

From his post here: http://www.coregamingpro.com/index.php?/topic/447-i-am-nanocloud-operations-director-and-grandmaster-ama/page-3#entry3832

Anderson was on sMi for a short stint back in BW. Some of the guys did know him from back then and because of that history and how long he spent playing with them before the whole thing started, he gained their trust.

This is completely untrue. I never saw the contracts that the players signed, the salaries the players would be getting, etc. I saw a VERY early version of the contract and noticed it was very amateur.

I could provide some really long chat logs about all of this. I was the one who emailed Razer and made phone calls all over the place to try to bust Anderson and Kelly.

You know damn well I wasn't "so trusting of...Anderson." Over the course of a number of weeks I had mentioned my worries about Anderson and Kelly, even from the first day that you and I met and spoke via a Skype call. And if I was so trusting of Anderson, why would I have done everything in my power to expose him to everyone on Skype that night and make a TL post about the whole ordeal?

In which I told him he couldn't and defended Sonic's actions for leaving.

Wow... sMi had nothing to do with the scam attempted by Anderson Barrett. How can I do anything if I was away on hiatus from managing at the very beginning of all of this? I never stated that I was too busy to look into it... In fact I did everything in my power to find out what the hell was going on.

Sonic wasn't "yelled at", he was told he was being immature. Yes, I said that. He was acting very dumb and questioning me in a conversation where I was explaining that I was doing everything in my power to find out what was going on with Anderson and Kelly. I can provide the Skype chat logs for this and I'm sure you can too considering you seem to love to bring those up whenever you possibly can.

Yes, Anderson and I do live fairly close to one another. He lives in Frisco, TX and I live in Allen, TX. That is about 20 minutes apart from one another. However, I didn't know his address and you know for a fact that I attempted to meet up with him a number of times to confirm the gear was real and other things, but he kept making excuses for why we couldn't meet up.

On August 31 2013 18:48 Chinnro wrote:
This is sooooo funny to watch....all you TL fanboys getting riled up! I'm surprised Kadaverbb hasn't shut this down yet?Where's my fave deutsche mod when you need him?

GL to Core! Fight the machine...

On August 31 2013 18:55 lolfail9001 wrote:

I just find it suspicious for a player to register on TL just to wish luck to random team.

On August 31 2013 19:50 Ironsights wrote:
The low post count guys are new to competitive gaming, most of them having been recruited from AoS. They are entering the esports world for the first time, and rather than welcoming them and showing them the ropes many of you are dismissing them as fake or insulting them for being here. This saddens me.

As for Nano, I will not discuss this here further. If the naysayers are correct and he turns out to have fooled us all, I will be one of the first admitting to you all that I was wrong to trust him. Until that day comes, if it ever does, I will not look down on him for his past, especially when it never effected me.

As for our players not being "good enough"...we are just starting. I am terribly sorry that we don't have the buying power to get ahold of huk and idra yet, but then again we aren't even competing in real tournaments yet...we are just a group of gamers all getting together to have fun, play games, and see if we can make something happen. Sort of like this fun little site that was started years ago by a group of starcraft fans that wanted to bring news of esports to the wider world...and I think we all know how that little start up turned out.

Please, let me clarify: at this time we have no expectation of fielding the next Marine King who takes the world by storm...we are no where near that level, and likely won't be for years to come. Remember, the mightiest of Oaks was once a humble acorn.

Oh, and one last note: there is a strong chance we wouldn't have announced ourselves on this site except that we discovered our community being attacked and called a scam. After that happened, we felt as if we needed to declare ourselves in an effort to set the record straight. This was never intended as self promotion, only a clarification that we are not a scam.

On August 31 2013 19:50 Ironsights wrote:
The low post count guys are new to competitive gaming, most of them having been recruited from AoS. They are entering the esports world for the first time, and rather than welcoming them and showing them the ropes many of you are dismissing them as fake or insulting them for being here. This saddens me.

As for Nano, I will not discuss this here further. If the naysayers are correct and he turns out to have fooled us all, I will be one of the first admitting to you all that I was wrong to trust him. Until that day comes, if it ever does, I will not look down on him for his past, especially when it never effected me.

As for our players not being "good enough"...we are just starting. I am terribly sorry that we don't have the buying power to get ahold of huk and idra yet, but then again we aren't even competing in real tournaments yet...we are just a group of gamers all getting together to have fun, play games, and see if we can make something happen. Sort of like this fun little site that was started years ago by a group of starcraft fans that wanted to bring news of esports to the wider world...and I think we all know how that little start up turned out.

Please, let me clarify: at this time we have no expectation of fielding the next Marine King who takes the world by storm...we are no where near that level, and likely won't be for years to come. Remember, the mightiest of Oaks was once a humble acorn.

Oh, and one last note: there is a strong chance we wouldn't have announced ourselves on this site except that we discovered our community being attacked and called a scam. After that happened, we felt as if we needed to declare ourselves in an effort to set the record straight. This was never intended as self promotion, only a clarification that we are not a scam.

On August 31 2013 21:03 hansonslee wrote:


To your defense, you want to show your form of community support, which is fine for certain scenarios such as publicity and absolving guilt. However, I will lay down the abridged version of what's going on because you seem to be very busy:

TL's stance:
- The Bash Against the 1st posters: TL does definitely have its share of idiots, but "trolls", as you have labeled the devoted critics of the scam thread in Nanocloud's AMA, are actually very well contained. TL looks down on the first posters because anyone can be a troll or be a part of shameless self-promoters (which I am not saying you are). To limit troll incidences, TL has very strict (and yes douchey) rules in dealing with them. For more information, check out:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117332

So, my advice is you should really do your homework before you make claims about how this community "saddens you". After all, you got to know your foes before you go into battle.

- The Distrust: Again, TL community members are very skeptical of your business model (I won't go into details because I am no expert in business) and your inclusion of Nanocloud (I could go into much detail, but I will instead talk about him based on the current situation later). For the business part, I will admit that it's going to take time to see whether your model is a success or not, but to TL's defense, you guys have not responded to the skepticism with a technical discussion of how your model can be success. Instead, your responses were more of playing the innocent card and "you want more information, just come talk to us". These responses are extremely unprofessional, which have done little to absolve your guilt.

As for Nanocloud, I am very surprised that you would make the argument of not looking into a person's past especially if that person has not done anything with you. For a recently born organization, I truly think that you are making a completely unwise move. You can argue that everyone deserves a second chance, but here's the problem. Nanocloud made no sense of apologies but made additional untrustworthy testimonies against others (have you read the comments from DirtyBird, the manager of sMi, in this thread?). Again, it's your move, and I am having a hard time of trying to give you guys the benefit of a doubt when I feel that you guys aren't taking this community's concerns (especially mine, which is based on real life experience) very seriously.

Why Your Defense Does Not Hold:
The defense I have applied for Core is NOT practical for this situation. For example, if a clothing business was implicated for using sweatshops, which is heavily looked down upon the modern world for its abusive disregard for human rights, having employees and customers that are supportive of the business to express their enthusiasm for the company does not persuade the community distrusting the company to disregard the fact that the company is using sweatshops as part of its business.

Now, Core is not implicated for sweatshops, but it has been met with skepticism (from the ones I have mentioned) that is similar to the level of the company utilizing sweatshops. The reason for this is that such allegations seriously undermine your credibility. To persuade the audience to look at the other way, you may need to, in this case, give concrete proof that your organization is not connected to such allegations. All-in-all, you need to connect some loose ends and chaff the weed from the crop.

To show my good will:

My advice as a person with executive/leadership/administrative experience is to seriously work on your Public Relations.

How? Here's the run down:

1) Study the surrounding community and figure out their stance
2) Don't be so dismissive of people's criticisms
3) To dispel skepticism, illustrate in technical terms of how your team and its model will work instead of relying on "just come talk to us" response.
4) Work on your professionalism.
5) MOST OF ALL, treat everyone especially who despise you with respect.

OR: You can hire someone who can be your PR!

That's all I've got on the top of my head. But if you guys want more information/details, I will gladly help!

Or if you want more professional help in the eSports team, just study ROOT GAMING's history and hopefully try to get some advice from them because they have a pretty colorful background (like the incident with Destiny) and are now a mainstream NA team.

Otherwise, best of luck!

On August 31 2013 21:46 JacobShock wrote:


Did you read the OP? It has triple the amount of information than teams normally put out when they launch. It's no doubt a response to all the skepticism that was thrown their way before they even went official. They provide a shit ton of links. Also Justin has been nothing but professional in his communication with the posters here and the other thread, even when the tone got ugly. As for Ironsight, he seems to be just a forum moderator for their forum? He is not their PR guy. Also, that Nanocloud dude has a thread where you can ask him whatever you want it seems, I am not saying he's a stand up guy, I honestly don't know, all I know is this community is way too happy to instigate a witch hunt whenever they smell an opportunity to do so. We will see in time what the core brings to the table, it's a noble idea in my eyes, the NA scene needs new blood, new talent, and new opportunities.

I should probably note, that I am in no way affiliated with the team, their message board, infact I first heard of their venture last week.

On August 31 2013 21:46 JacobShock wrote:
Also, that Nanocloud dude has a thread where you can ask him whatever you want it seems, I am not saying he's a stand up guy, I honestly don't know, all I know is this community is way too happy to instigate a witch hunt whenever they smell an opportunity to do so. We will see in time what the core brings to the table, it's a noble idea in my eyes, the NA scene needs new blood, new talent, and new opportunities.

On August 31 2013 22:16 rei wrote:


It's not a witch hunt if he proudly admitted what he has done and tried to use it to prove he has mad sc2 skills to boost people into GM.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423478&currentpage=7#129

On August 31 2013 22:22 hansonslee wrote:


Can you give the boosting accusation a rest already? I think a lot of people are more concerned about other things than his "boosting" claims, although his lies of claiming not to be boosting are pretty bad, which is sadly one of the many lies he has posted.

On August 31 2013 22:59 coldscars wrote:
jesus can you guys give this nanocloud accusation a rest? you already posted the same stuff over and over on other threads already , i dont see the point in spamming this thread as well.

On September 01 2013 01:43 [Core] Neurotic wrote:


CS, just let them say what they want it has 0 effect on us.

A few people brought up the point: how will you get sponsors and make money if your team members don't go far in tournaments? Well that's a good question. Basically, our target sponsors are medium sized businesses who simply want initial exposure into esports and are not necessarily looking for some set ROI target. As I've tried to make clear in the OP, management has fully funded everything until August 2014, with our without substantial sponsorship support. This is not a money making venture. This is a hobby for us because esports is something we do on the side.

Our sponsors currently cover 24% of our monthly operating costs and management covers the other 76%. Three weeks ago, this figure was 0% sponsors 100% management, so we are on the right track to sustainability!

We've constructed quite detailed marketing presentations and we're currently reaching out to our personal/professional networks in search of business partners.

All in all, I'm excited and extremely optimistic to see what the future holds for us.