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On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role. Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged. And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole. tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
Not on the day, and that is what matters
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Okay, I really want the pure statistics on this now.
Poll: Who deserves it more?Bomber! (28) 64% Jaedong! (16) 36% 44 total votes Your vote: Who deserves it more? (Vote): Bomber!
(Vote): Jaedong!
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On August 25 2013 12:36 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 12:32 babylon wrote:On August 25 2013 12:25 Lysanias wrote:On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O Soulkey** JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt He's not even KeSPA anymore ... I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement. I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes. I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that. Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.
Sorry, I just edited my post, but it seems we were both confused. The trade lock is indeed only between eSF and KeSPA. When JD was first contracted by EG, there was a whole to-do about Korean sites saying he was "on loan" and would have to return to T8 should they find a sponsor, but EG management said this was wrong, and that he was acquired by them. However, I just trawled through the site a bit to see if I missed anything, and it seems I did overlook this news article: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421124
So he's on "lease," and is somehow legally bound to KeSPA but at the same time can choose to go wherever, apparently ... which doesn't make any sense to me, really, except that it's obvious KeSPA wants to keep their hands on him.
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Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
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I thought for sure JD would lose to Naniwa. I expected Nani to do his 3 stargate voidray everygame though, not just starting from game 3. JD Got just about every style throw at him so far this tournament, so I'm confident he can pull this one off too 
But zvt finals is gonna hurt =\ I think he can beat Bomber, not so much Taeja
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes.
Lol. Well, why don't we say this for everybody who ever lost in the history of professional competition?
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On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O Soulkey** JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I prefer esF over Kespa anyday, but I love Jaedong. Still, I consider him to be semi Kespa at least because once his contract with EG ends, he'll be going back to Team 8 if I remember correctly
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I believe!
I believe in the (Jae)Dong!
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Yeah if JD would win the S2 finals, that would be great.
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On August 25 2013 12:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. A lso, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role. Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged. And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole. tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes. First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.
First went Europe first and then stayed in Europe while Alive had to stay in some random shitty hotel in America.
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On August 25 2013 12:56 ladysman09 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 12:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. A lso, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role. Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged. And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole. tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes. First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea. First went Europe first and then stayed in Europe while Alive had to stay in some random shitty hotel in America.
Regardless, I still don't think there's any reason to think Alive is better at TvP than First is at PvT. First's PvT is sick.
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On August 25 2013 12:53 astray71 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O Soulkey** JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt He's not even KeSPA anymore ... I prefer esF over Kespa anyday, but I love Jaedong. Still, I consider him to be semi Kespa at least because once his contract with EG ends, he'll be going back to Team 8 if I remember correctly
Not necessarily, he won't go back unless he wants to, situation is odd but here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421124
Basically, if JD and EG want to stay together, they can stay together. (EG sounds like they want to keep JD, and JD seems to be meshing well with EG, so high possibility.)
If not, JD goes back to T8 ... unless he doesn't want to (lol). In which case, he will negotiate with KeSPA to go to another team.
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On August 25 2013 12:41 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged. You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
aLive more talented than First? That's a pretty dubious claim.
First is one of those talents where everyone just knew he had potential, he was doing really well in team leagues, and he just brought his skill to individual tournaments. If he wins the entire thing, I won't be surprised at all.
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On August 25 2013 12:41 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged. You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.
Anyway, First will lost against JD, seeing as JD has been getting lucky in all his PvZ's because his opponents make random mistakes. And since First is not as good as a player as Rain, MC or Naniwa, we will see if his 0-3 loss to JD will be at least close games or a one sided stomp.
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On August 25 2013 13:33 ladysman09 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 12:41 awesomoecalypse wrote:Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged. You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's. He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First. Anyway, First will lost against JD, seeing as JD has been getting lucky in all his PvZ's because his opponents make random mistakes. And since First is not as good as a player as Rain, MC or Naniwa, we will see if his 0-3 loss to JD will be at least close games or a one sided stomp.
I don't think Naniwa is better than First...
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He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.
Lol, thanks for the laugh.
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If we take into account Bomber's Law, and the JaeKong curse, there is only one possible end to this. JD will defeat JvP and crush First, and Bomber will demolish Taeja, bringing the level of Bomber hype to an all time high. In the grand finals, Bomber will pummel Jaedong in the first three games, and half-way through the fourth game, causing Artosis to say that Bomber has finally done it. However, Jaedong will then pull out a miracle come-back, and crush Bomber, as well as annihilate him in games 5, 6, and 7, leaving Bomber only with a few floating buildings to face Jaedong's 200/200 army. Then Jaedong will faint due to unspecified health issues, leaving Blizzard the only option to crown Bomber as the champion, thereby fulfilling both the JaeKong curse, and Bomber's Law, by making him win in a manner more disappointing than defeat.
Or of course Taeja could defeat both Bomber and JD, but I prefer the first theory personally.
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On August 25 2013 13:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If we take into account Bomber's Law, and the JaeKong curse, there is only one possible end to this. JD will defeat JvP and crush First, and Bomber will demolish Taeja, bringing the level of Bomber hype to an all time high. In the grand finals, Bomber will pummel Jaedong in the first three games, and half-way through the fourth game, causing Artosis to say that Bomber has finally done it. However, Jaedong will then pull out a miracle come-back, and crush Bomber, as well as annihilate him in games 5, 6, and 7, leaving Bomber only with a few floating buildings to face Jaedong's 200/200 army. Then Jaedong will faint due to unspecified health issues, leaving Blizzard the only option to crown Bomber as the champion, thereby fulfilling both the JaeKong curse, and Bomber's Law, by making him win in a manner more disappointing than defeat.
Or of course Taeja could defeat both Bomber and JD, but I prefer the first theory personally.
Actually there will just be 7 ties in a row until wcs gives up
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IM is too good at winning. With that said...
First > Jaedong
1. IM blessing
2. JvP
3. Jaedong lost in the semis of a DH, meaning that his curse doesn't always mean 2nd place
TaeJa > Bomber
1. Bomber Law disappointment
2. Summer of TaeJa
First > TaeJa
1. IM blessing
2. Remember last summer when TaeJa was dominating IPL TAC 3? Wait, then how did Team Liquid get 2nd place? Oh yeah, IMSeed stopped him. IM fighting!
(Besides, is it close enough to autumn?)
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Nice write up, Zealously!
My predictions though:
Jaedong > First 3:1
Bomber < Taeja 2:3
Taeja > Jaedong 4:2
We'll see.
I'd still be really happy if this was the first major tournament victory for Jaedong!
We'll see.
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first is one of those lesser known korean who are in shape and defeat the fan favourites and better known players.Sadly sc2 hasn't had a top player being consistent and winning many tournaments in a row since mma.Knowing how the sc2 scene works I know first will probably win the entire thing
there should be a new sc2 law:"the least known korean always wins the tournament".I am definately roting for jaedong but seriously doubt he can win over first.First is the duckdeok of this wcs finals.
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