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WCS S2 Finals - Day 2 Recap/Day3 Preview

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August 25th, 2013 00:13 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Season II Finals



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Day 2 Recap & Day 3 Preview

From Twelve to Four

by Waxangel

The middle day of the WCS Season 2 Finals saw the trend of surprising results continue as the remaining twelve players were trimmed down to a final four.

The first shock was that all three regional champions, (T)MaruPrime, (P)MVP.duckdeok, and (T)CMStorm_Polt, were eliminated before even reaching the quarter-finals. Which ties into the second surprise—two of them were eliminated by non-Korean players who showed fine form on the day. (P)Alliance.NaNiwa got his revenge on Duckdeok in the final match of their Ro16 group, avenging an earlier loss from day one, and a slightly older loss from the WCS EU quarter-finals. Meanwhile, (Z)Acer.Scarlett scored a massive upset over Maru in the final match of Group D, eliminating the reigning OSL champion and further affirming her credentials as a killer ZvT player.

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Although the fine play of the foreigners continued in the quarter-finals, it was not enough to see them into the semi-final round. NaNiwa seemed to vex (Z)Jaedong at some points with tactics ranging from cannon rushes to voidray-zealot, but the Evil Geniuses Zerg showed far better adaptability and decision making than in their previous meetings and was able to take a 3 - 1 victory. And while Scarlett managed to duel (T)ST_Bomber evenly all the way to a fifth game on Akilon Wastes, a clever proxy-reaper into hellion-banshee build that Bomber had saved for such a dire occasion saw him triumph over the Acer Zerg who had no such secret weapons.

In another upset of note, (T)Liquid`TaeJa secured a 3 - 0 quarter-final win against (P)SKT_Rain, a player who he had not been able score a single win against before. Battling into both players' preferred late-game phase, TaeJa used his superlative ghost micro to gain the edge and take three straight wins. The remaining quarter-final match, though not an upset in terms of results, was still a thriller, with (P)IM_First edging (T)EG.aLive out narrowly by a 3 - 2 scoreline.


Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview

by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

For Lee Jae Dong, winning is a fact of life. Since he won his first major title in 2007, (Z)EG.Jaedong has been a championship contender over and over, again and again. Going up against his rival Flash in no less than four finals, he is no stranger to difficult opponents and playing with all the weight of the world on his shoulders.

However, the Tyrant's switch to Starcraft II offered some early trouble. Despite high finishes in several tournaments, he famously struggled to find his footing against the Protoss race, creating the new concept of "JvP", the antithesis of the famously strong "JvZ" that existed since the Brood War days.

Like many other players who came to Starcraft II late from another game, the story for Jaedong is one of slow but constant improvement. Slowly but surely, Jaedong has grown – from a man who (like his humble beginnings in Brood War) could only play ZvZ, to a man highly capable in TvZ as well, and finally to a man who can be called a complete StarCraft 2 player.

Perhaps it was inevitable all along. From putting up a meager fight against the suddenly-good-at-PvZ-Naniwa at Dreamhack Open, to narrowly losing to Stardust at the next Dreamhack, to knocking Jim out of WCS America, Jaedong has gradually shored up the holes in his PvZ. Known as one of the hardest working players in all of e-sports, the work is finally paying off for the Tyrant. For the first time since KeSPA's transition to Starcraft II, Jaedong isn't "just" a good player, but a championship contender at the highest level. He has made it to the finals of other major events before, granted, but I've felt like there has were still significant weaknesses in his play or some luck involved in his brackets. Watching Jaedong's play this weekend, I feel like this is no longer the case.

For the first time in Starcraft II, his play against Protoss has been stellar. Placed in a group with (P)Rain, (P)MC, and (P)Welmu to begin, many expected Jaedong to struggle. Jaedong's poor overall ZvP record inspired no confidence, and although he beat Jim in WCS America, it was a narrow 3 - 2 victory that left lingering questions. Jaedong's answer in Cologne was a 2-0 trashing of two-time OSL finalist Rain and a 2 - 1 victory over MC to advance in first place. He proceeded to beat his nemesis Naniwa 3 - 1 in the quarterfinals, making this tournament a true eye opener for many fans.

Jaedong no longer has a glaring match-up weakness, no auto-lose condition. By beating Naniwa, MC and Rain, Jaedong has overcome three separate styles of PvZ and gathered significant momentum along the way. Now, his semifinals opponent is another Protoss, LG-IM's First.

(P)IM_First is a member of an exclusive players' club, rooted in Brood War but perhaps more prominent in Starcraft II. Along the likes of aLive, Curious and Light, First is a player no one ever seems to notice. Despite winning a major tournament, placing runner-up at two, and finishing top eight in five more, First is anything but a fan favorite. It's hard to tell the reason. He plays a strong and unique brand of Protoss, but perhaps it's just not strong or unique enough to attract attention. Despite being an excellent player and a serious title contender, First has gone through two stages of the tournament while being given little attention.

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Pictured: First celebrating his quarterfinal victory over aLive


Players like Sniper have taught us that not being given attention does not mean anything in terms of skill. First outlasted his Terran counterpart (T)aLive in a very high-level series of PvT and made both Polt and Grubby look silly in the group stages, showing that while he is not the most hyped player of the tournament, he has the skill to make things happen.

However, matched up against a Zerg in the semifinals, there is one big question mark hovering over First's head: how is his PvZ? To find any clues, we have to go back to the recently concluded OSL. The IM Protoss beat Symbol 2 - 0 in the consolation matches and had a mixed record against the likes of (Z)hyvaa, (Z)RorO and (Z)Leenock in the group stages. Good opponents for sure, but do they measure up to an on-fire Jaedong? The knee-jerk answer would be "No" if we were to get swept up in this weekend's hype, but you always count out players like First at your own risk. WCS Korea's reputation may have suffered this weekend, but First did show he could take care of business in PvZ in the OSL.

But in the end, Jaedong has, as absurd as it is to say when the opponent is a guy with as many high finishes as First, much more experience. Jaedong has the ability to stay calm under pressure and while First has shown us nothing to indicate that he doesn't, Jaedong's 6pool against Scarlett in the WCS America semi-finals has something to say about his killer instinct in particular. First is good, but he lacks a certain flair – the ability to throw everything out the window to go for a proxy 2-gate on the final map. Until he shows that he possesses that kind of instinct, he does not benefit from a longer series like Jaedong does.
Jaedong has managed to overcome his greatest hurdle this weekend, and I don't expect him to fall to a Protoss now.

Prediction: Jaedong 3 - 1 First


Semi-Final #2: TaeJa vs. Bomber

by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

Life must be great for (T)Liquid'TaeJa. Not only did he make the semifinals of both WCS America and the Season 2 Finals, going a long way toward securing him a spot at the Global Finals, but he beat the (previously) consensus best player in the world and the WCS Korea runner-up to make it here. And not only that, a dangerous opponent in (T)Polt, the man who eliminated him 3-2 in WCS America, dropped out in the Round of 16 before a re-match could take place. Things could hardly have worked out better for the Liquid Terran thus far.

In one of the bigger subplots in the ongoing story that is Starcraft II, Taeja has returned to his fabled summer-form. A year ago, he was moneyhunting overseas, winning triple foreign tournaments by taking out a few big names in each. Then came the stereotypical bad guy present in every novel, an evil being named ”Wrist Issues”. The struggle was long and hard, but it seems Taeja has finally overcome his nemesis, and he now returns to where his story began, neck-deep in a tournament full of big names.

In Taeja's victory over Innovation, he fully showcased the strength of his bio-tank play. People like to talk about Innovation's surgical play and astonishing multitasking, but Taeja was on point for most of the deciding game, with barely a moment passing without some kind action taking place to wrest control of the map from INnoVation. With a combination of an ideal unit composition and multi-pronged aggression, Taeja was able to pick Innovation apart, eventually taking the win after an hour-long game.

In the semi-finals, Taeja's opponent will be (T)ST_Bomber, a player very unlike Innovation. Not only because Bomber is a more colorful character, or because of his tendency to sometimes look beyond great and sometimes lose to players he should have no business losing to, but because the StarTale Terran plays a wholly different brand of TvT. If the series against INnoVation was about how to unlock the mech puzzle, then the series against Bomber will be one about fighting fire with fire. Bomber plays bio-tank as well as any player in the world, and not even Flash or INnoVation could stand up against him in the OSL.

To be constantly belittled and expected to fail has become perhaps the most sad constant in Bomber's career. Ever since his fateful choke against Byun in 2011, the possibility of yet another choke, another throw, has always lingered. StarTale is mocked when their ace Terran fails to deliver, and Bomber is ridiculed as he manner-mules himself to death. But all of this might be in the past for Bomber. He hasn't looked as good, as consistent (yes, I'm using that word in a sentence describing Bomber) in a long time, perhaps ever. The only competition to today's Bomber is a Bomber attending an MLG of ages past, where all opposition was promptly executed on site.

I would go as far as to say that Bomber's Law (and its corollary) is history. Starting with WCS Korea season 1, Bomber has been on the rise – not just in terms of skill, but in terms of confidence and consistency. Gone are the days where Bomber might crumble just minutes after demolishing his opponent in Game 1. What we have now is a Bomber like the one we thought would emerge two years ago, again on the cusp of greatness. This is the Bomber that made Mvp look like a joke in the Code A finals, back when Mvp was the most dominant force on the planet. He crushed Flash and Innovation, the two most prominent KeSPA terrans and made First, now a fellow semi-finalist, look just as crushed.

The second semi-final will pit two Terrans against each other. One played Innovation and emerged victorious but bloodied, pushed to the limit. The other played him and emerged without a scratch. Both have had their soaring highs and abysmal lows, tournaments they seemed destined to win but allowed to slip away. Both have an affinity for muling on the wrong side of the map, and both have defeated the reigning Season Champion to prove that they are formidable foes in the match-up.

With all this in mind, does Taeja have a chance? Yes – there are things he could potentially do to switch things up, to catch Bomber off-guard and secure a spot in the grand finals.

But Bomber is my favorite to take it. His systematic disassembling of Innovation and stomping of Flash instilled enough confidence in me that I cannot reasonably see him going out to Taeja, who just barely got past Innovation on the champion's worst weekend yet. It has been said time and again, but if there ever was a tournament made for Bomber to win it, the WCS Season 2 Finals is it. This is where he either dispels the Law, or falls to its might.

Prediction: Bomber 3 - 1 Taeja


More WCS Season Finals Articles

Day 3 Recap: I Fought the Law
Day 2 Recap: From 12 to 4
Day 1 Recap: Not the Koreans you're looking for

Group A Preview: MC, the $400,000 Man
Group B Preview: Polt, Not all Ironic
Group C Preview: INnoVation and the insane, nonsensical group prediction[/b]
Group D Preview: Maru, the Prince on the Summit


Writers: Waxangel us and Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 00:45:33
August 25 2013 00:15 GMT
#2
Jaedong Bomber is the best possible finals. Both are destined for 2nd place, so it'll be the battle of the chokers.

Either Taeja vs First or Taeja vs Jaedong would arguably be 4 - 0's for Taeja.

Edit:
Oh, and here's a better picture of First

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2nd Edit:

Okay I'd like to correct myself. Apparently the last time TaeJa and Jaedong played each other (Dreamhack) Jaedong won 2 - 0
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
August 25 2013 00:24 GMT
#3
I really hope for First vs Bomber rematch, that would be so sick!
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thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
August 25 2013 00:26 GMT
#4
thnx for write up!

(BS predictions, taeja will win lol)
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 00:35:52
August 25 2013 00:28 GMT
#5
Both Jaedong and Taeja have played amazingly this tournament, I want to see them battle in the final !
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 00:31:30
August 25 2013 00:31 GMT
#6
On August 25 2013 09:26 thirtyapm wrote:
thnx for write up!

(BS predictions, taeja will win lol)


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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 00:35:43
August 25 2013 00:34 GMT
#7
Ok.

Let's put things clearly. Zealously predicted INnoVatioN to fall, and now say Bomber's law is history.

That could be fucking huge... and I want to trust him... Will the magic work twice ?

On August 25 2013 09:26 thirtyapm wrote:
thnx for write up!

(BS predictions, taeja will win lol)


Bomber has clearly the skill to take out Taeja... Not an easy match, but definitely doable.
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Koromon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States304 Posts
August 25 2013 00:35 GMT
#8
I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.

Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
August 25 2013 00:37 GMT
#9
No, I will not believe in Bomber. My heart has been broken way too many times!
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 25 2013 00:43 GMT
#10
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

All hail Zealously.
Dragoonstorm7
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United States599 Posts
August 25 2013 00:45 GMT
#11
4 completely amazing stories. This is gonna be epic!
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7280 Posts
August 25 2013 00:47 GMT
#12
On August 25 2013 09:35 Koromon wrote:
I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.

Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.


I dunno man, Bomber didnt look as dominate in his vZ as his vT or vP.

If it comes down to Bomber vs. JD (please, sweet merciful jesus let is come down to that) I don't think it'll be a 4-0 sweep.

I think it'll be a pretty damn close series, and the winner will probably depend on Jaedong's practice time with ZvT since hes been swamped in Protoss for this whole tournament.

JD 4 - 3 over Bomber IMHbiasedO.
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riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
August 25 2013 00:49 GMT
#13
Would really impressed on Jaedong if he wins! Good luck!!!
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ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
August 25 2013 00:56 GMT
#14
This final four is so good
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yudan
Profile Joined January 2013
Australia23 Posts
August 25 2013 00:58 GMT
#15
nice writeup, however when referring to zerg players, please refer to their matchups against terrans as their ZvT, rather than their TvZ, same thing was written for Scarlett too, why is this??
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 25 2013 00:58 GMT
#16
I'll see TaeJa in the finals.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
August 25 2013 00:58 GMT
#17
I believe in the Summer of TaeJa 2.0 overcoming Bomber to go all the way! Liquid hwaiting! <3
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 25 2013 01:06 GMT
#18
First will take... first place!!
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Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
August 25 2013 01:06 GMT
#19
That's really not true at all, First is not considered an "overlooked" player like Alive and Sniper. You're really the first person I've even seen propose that idea. He had a ton of hype behind him during OSL, and his games in this have been getting people super excited.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 25 2013 01:10 GMT
#20
4-3 JD-Taeja finals.

I will believe.
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plastic.zealot
Profile Joined January 2013
United States10 Posts
August 25 2013 01:10 GMT
#21
Bomber, I believe!
Niteblade_
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada292 Posts
August 25 2013 01:16 GMT
#22
Awesome write up. Only thing you missed was that zealousy predicted innovation to drop and naniwa to advance
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NAMeCHa
Profile Joined March 2011
36 Posts
August 25 2013 01:20 GMT
#23
What I would hate most would be for Bomber to beat Taeja but lose to First in the finals... the guy that Bomber is 5-0 against recently
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
August 25 2013 01:20 GMT
#24
I whope JD takes a 4-3 win over Taeja !

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RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
August 25 2013 01:26 GMT
#25
First v Taeja finals incoming!
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astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
August 25 2013 01:27 GMT
#26
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
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awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 25 2013 01:27 GMT
#27
First plays the coolest Toss style in the world. As macro oriented as Rain, but way less boring. Hope he wins.
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DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
August 25 2013 01:27 GMT
#28
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

Hahahahaha. :D After this, I don't really think I can disagree with Zealously's predictions. Looking to be some awesome games. Can't wait!
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
August 25 2013 01:29 GMT
#29
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Jaedong is not Kespa in SC2. He was a noob before coming to EG.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 25 2013 01:35 GMT
#30
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

I couldn't help but rofl at this. Sounds like someone's gonna repeat that part everytime he writes something I shall give you credit, although I say you got lucky! Taeja will destroy Bomber keeping Bomber law tact and destroying the hearts of many fans including that of wintex(doubt he'll read this lol).
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 25 2013 01:41 GMT
#31
Everyone can get lucky once, Zealously
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 25 2013 01:43 GMT
#32
predicting a bomber vs jaedong final is like dividing by zero
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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
August 25 2013 01:47 GMT
#33
Hoping for Jaedong vs. Bomber finals because IMO it will be the most entertaining (and evenly matched) out of the 4 possibilities.
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
August 25 2013 01:57 GMT
#34
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

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GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
August 25 2013 01:58 GMT
#35
Jaedong to win it all.
"The Tyrant is back"
-Lee Jae Dong, 24/08/2013
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VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
August 25 2013 02:04 GMT
#36
On August 25 2013 09:35 Koromon wrote:
I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.

Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.



Isn't Bomber 5-0 against First the last month or so? Maybe 5-1?



Also:

On August 25 2013 10:58 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Jaedong to win it all.
"The Tyrant is back"
-Lee Jae Dong, 24/08/2013


This. Soooooo much this!
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 25 2013 02:08 GMT
#37
On August 25 2013 11:04 VanSCPurge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 09:35 Koromon wrote:
I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.

Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.



Isn't Bomber 5-0 against First the last month or so? Maybe 5-1?


This. Soooooo much this!


6-0 actually.

but Bomber's Law yo
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States872 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 02:12:43
August 25 2013 02:08 GMT
#38
I think Bomber has the best TvT in the world, and even though Taeja is screamin' hot right now I'm worried for him. First, while still incredibly good, is probably weaker than any of the other three in the Ro4.

I feel like there's a rock-paper-scissors relationship going on with the other three in that Bomber > Taeja > Jaedong > Bomber.

All that said, I really really really want Taeja or Jaedong to take it all the way.

P.S. Two years ago, who could have ever envisioned a possible EG vs TL grand final in the most prestigious tournament in the world?
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
August 25 2013 02:08 GMT
#39
If Jaedong wins this, it would be a weekend well spent for me.
May the StarCraft gods give him strength.

Thank you Lee Jae Dong for introducing me to SC (BW). Wish he could just win this with Lurker/Ling or a Hydrabust.

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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
August 25 2013 02:22 GMT
#40
Bomber for WCS champion!!!!
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44096 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 02:24:04
August 25 2013 02:23 GMT
#41
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
this is a quote
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
August 25 2013 02:24 GMT
#42
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
<h3>Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview</h3>by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16


Man, that just makes me want to search out the previous thread and quote all the doubters .
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 25 2013 02:29 GMT
#43
On August 25 2013 11:24 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
<h3>Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview</h3>by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16


Man, that just makes me want to search out the previous thread and quote all the doubters .


Someone already did that. Here ya go:


On August 24 2013 11:45 mbr2321 wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


On August 23 2013 03:11 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.


On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote:
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote:
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.


On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote:
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.


On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane


On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote:
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!


On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote:
Innovation stomp is obvious


On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote:
Zealously you're drunk,go home.


On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote:
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.


On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote:
WTF is wrong with the predictions?


On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.


On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote:
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?


On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote:
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.


On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote:
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail


On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote:
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.


On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote:
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias


On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote:
haha...this prediction is so wrong


On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote:
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...



On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote:
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.


On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote:
What crack pipe is OP smoking?


On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote:
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.


On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.


On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote:
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.


On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.


On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote:
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?


On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.


On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote:
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.


And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote:
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.


NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
August 25 2013 02:29 GMT
#44
I feel like a Taeja Jaedong finals will happen, and the tyrant will take yet another 2nd place
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
August 25 2013 02:33 GMT
#45
On August 25 2013 11:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 11:24 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
<h3>Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview</h3>by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16


Man, that just makes me want to search out the previous thread and quote all the doubters .


Someone already did that. Here ya go:


Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 11:45 mbr2321 wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


On August 23 2013 03:11 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.


On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote:
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote:
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.


On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote:
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.


On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane


On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote:
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!


On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote:
Innovation stomp is obvious


On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote:
Zealously you're drunk,go home.


On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote:
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.


On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote:
WTF is wrong with the predictions?


On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.


On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote:
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?


On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote:
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.


On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote:
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail


On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote:
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.


On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote:
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias


On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote:
haha...this prediction is so wrong


On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote:
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...



On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote:
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.


On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote:
What crack pipe is OP smoking?


On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote:
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.


On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.


On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote:
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.


On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.


On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote:
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?


On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.


On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote:
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.


And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):

On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote:
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.




Thank you so much!
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 25 2013 02:36 GMT
#46
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
August 25 2013 02:37 GMT
#47
On August 25 2013 09:15 Iodem wrote:
Jaedong Bomber is the best possible finals. Both are destined for 2nd place, so it'll be the battle of the chokers.

Either Taeja vs First or Taeja vs Jaedong would arguably be 4 - 0's for Taeja.

Edit:
Oh, and here's a better picture of First

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


2nd Edit:

Okay I'd like to correct myself. Apparently the last time TaeJa and Jaedong played each other (Dreamhack) Jaedong won 2 - 0

Yay currently playing that game so I recognized him :D
spamuwen
Profile Joined January 2013
United States7 Posts
August 25 2013 02:38 GMT
#48
Bomber / Jaedong 3-4. I believe!!!
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 25 2013 02:41 GMT
#49
People are really sleeping on First. I understand he's nowhere near as big a name as Jaedong, nor is he a longtime fan favorite like Bomber or a teamliquid player like Taeja, but in terms of actual Starcraft skill he should not be underestimated. He's LG-IM's best Protoss, and given that they have arguably the most stacked Protoss lineup of any team, that's pretty impressive. I think he's got as good a chance to win this as any of the more well known players.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 25 2013 02:41 GMT
#50
No way Bomber is gonna beat Taeja lol, don't ever forget about Bomber's law.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
August 25 2013 03:01 GMT
#51
Agreed, but 3-2 scorelines imo.

Bomber > Jaedong 4-3
oucho
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom22 Posts
August 25 2013 03:05 GMT
#52
I hope bomber, taeja or jaedong win, I actually do like First but the other guys all have better stories haha, and taeja is so cute :3
im cool yo
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
August 25 2013 03:06 GMT
#53
So you finally support Jaedong huh?

<Jaedong believer since the first game of the finals.


Predicting Jaedong vs Taeja finals.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 25 2013 03:16 GMT
#54
images aren't loading for me. anyone else the same with this article?
Someone call down the Thunder?
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 25 2013 03:20 GMT
#55
Zealousy getting that sweet revenge :D
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 03:26:27
August 25 2013 03:25 GMT
#56
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 03:38:36
August 25 2013 03:32 GMT
#57
On August 25 2013 12:25 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.

I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.

EDIT: Just saw the DES article you were talking about where they refer to it as a "lease," which clarifies what you're talking about. It seems he is still legally bound to KeSPA. Still, calling him a KeSPA player "by legalities only" makes pretty much no sense in any context.
ladysman09
Profile Joined June 2013
237 Posts
August 25 2013 03:33 GMT
#58
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 25 2013 03:35 GMT
#59
On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.

First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 25 2013 03:36 GMT
#60
On August 25 2013 12:32 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:25 Lysanias wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.

I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.


I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that.
Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 25 2013 03:37 GMT
#61
On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.


Not on the day, and that is what matters
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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2624 Posts
August 25 2013 03:40 GMT
#62
Okay, I really want the pure statistics on this now.
Poll: Who deserves it more?

Bomber! (28)
 
64%

Jaedong! (16)
 
36%

44 total votes

Your vote: Who deserves it more?

(Vote): Bomber!
(Vote): Jaedong!

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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 03:42:34
August 25 2013 03:41 GMT
#63
On August 25 2013 12:36 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:32 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 12:25 Lysanias wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.

I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.


I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that.
Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.

Sorry, I just edited my post, but it seems we were both confused. The trade lock is indeed only between eSF and KeSPA. When JD was first contracted by EG, there was a whole to-do about Korean sites saying he was "on loan" and would have to return to T8 should they find a sponsor, but EG management said this was wrong, and that he was acquired by them. However, I just trawled through the site a bit to see if I missed anything, and it seems I did overlook this news article: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421124

So he's on "lease," and is somehow legally bound to KeSPA but at the same time can choose to go wherever, apparently ... which doesn't make any sense to me, really, except that it's obvious KeSPA wants to keep their hands on him.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 25 2013 03:41 GMT
#64
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.


You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 03:45:51
August 25 2013 03:44 GMT
#65
I thought for sure JD would lose to Naniwa. I expected Nani to do his 3 stargate voidray everygame though, not just starting from game 3. JD Got just about every style throw at him so far this tournament, so I'm confident he can pull this one off too

But zvt finals is gonna hurt =\ I think he can beat Bomber, not so much Taeja

Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes.

Lol. Well, why don't we say this for everybody who ever lost in the history of professional competition?
Refer to my post.
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
August 25 2013 03:53 GMT
#66
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I prefer esF over Kespa anyday, but I love Jaedong. Still, I consider him to be semi Kespa at least because once his contract with EG ends, he'll be going back to Team 8 if I remember correctly
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
Seishou
Profile Joined March 2013
Hong Kong16 Posts
August 25 2013 03:54 GMT
#67
I believe!

I believe in the (Jae)Dong!
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
August 25 2013 03:56 GMT
#68
Yeah if JD would win the S2 finals, that would be great.
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ladysman09
Profile Joined June 2013
237 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 03:56:33
August 25 2013 03:56 GMT
#69
On August 25 2013 12:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.

First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.


First went Europe first and then stayed in Europe while Alive had to stay in some random shitty hotel in America.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 25 2013 04:00 GMT
#70
On August 25 2013 12:56 ladysman09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.

First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.


First went Europe first and then stayed in Europe while Alive had to stay in some random shitty hotel in America.


Regardless, I still don't think there's any reason to think Alive is better at TvP than First is at PvT. First's PvT is sick.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 25 2013 04:03 GMT
#71
On August 25 2013 12:53 astray71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I prefer esF over Kespa anyday, but I love Jaedong. Still, I consider him to be semi Kespa at least because once his contract with EG ends, he'll be going back to Team 8 if I remember correctly

Not necessarily, he won't go back unless he wants to, situation is odd but here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421124

Basically, if JD and EG want to stay together, they can stay together. (EG sounds like they want to keep JD, and JD seems to be meshing well with EG, so high possibility.)

If not, JD goes back to T8 ... unless he doesn't want to (lol). In which case, he will negotiate with KeSPA to go to another team.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 25 2013 04:11 GMT
#72
On August 25 2013 12:41 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.


You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.


aLive more talented than First? That's a pretty dubious claim.

First is one of those talents where everyone just knew he had potential, he was doing really well in team leagues, and he just brought his skill to individual tournaments. If he wins the entire thing, I won't be surprised at all.
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ladysman09
Profile Joined June 2013
237 Posts
August 25 2013 04:33 GMT
#73
On August 25 2013 12:41 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.


You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.


He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.

Anyway, First will lost against JD, seeing as JD has been getting lucky in all his PvZ's because his opponents make random mistakes. And since First is not as good as a player as Rain, MC or Naniwa, we will see if his 0-3 loss to JD will be at least close games or a one sided stomp.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 25 2013 04:37 GMT
#74
On August 25 2013 13:33 ladysman09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:41 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.


You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.


He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.

Anyway, First will lost against JD, seeing as JD has been getting lucky in all his PvZ's because his opponents make random mistakes. And since First is not as good as a player as Rain, MC or Naniwa, we will see if his 0-3 loss to JD will be at least close games or a one sided stomp.


I don't think Naniwa is better than First...
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 25 2013 04:38 GMT
#75
He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.


Lol, thanks for the laugh.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 25 2013 04:45 GMT
#76
If we take into account Bomber's Law, and the JaeKong curse, there is only one possible end to this. JD will defeat JvP and crush First, and Bomber will demolish Taeja, bringing the level of Bomber hype to an all time high. In the grand finals, Bomber will pummel Jaedong in the first three games, and half-way through the fourth game, causing Artosis to say that Bomber has finally done it. However, Jaedong will then pull out a miracle come-back, and crush Bomber, as well as annihilate him in games 5, 6, and 7, leaving Bomber only with a few floating buildings to face Jaedong's 200/200 army. Then Jaedong will faint due to unspecified health issues, leaving Blizzard the only option to crown Bomber as the champion, thereby fulfilling both the JaeKong curse, and Bomber's Law, by making him win in a manner more disappointing than defeat.

Or of course Taeja could defeat both Bomber and JD, but I prefer the first theory personally.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 25 2013 04:47 GMT
#77
On August 25 2013 13:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If we take into account Bomber's Law, and the JaeKong curse, there is only one possible end to this. JD will defeat JvP and crush First, and Bomber will demolish Taeja, bringing the level of Bomber hype to an all time high. In the grand finals, Bomber will pummel Jaedong in the first three games, and half-way through the fourth game, causing Artosis to say that Bomber has finally done it. However, Jaedong will then pull out a miracle come-back, and crush Bomber, as well as annihilate him in games 5, 6, and 7, leaving Bomber only with a few floating buildings to face Jaedong's 200/200 army. Then Jaedong will faint due to unspecified health issues, leaving Blizzard the only option to crown Bomber as the champion, thereby fulfilling both the JaeKong curse, and Bomber's Law, by making him win in a manner more disappointing than defeat.

Or of course Taeja could defeat both Bomber and JD, but I prefer the first theory personally.

Actually there will just be 7 ties in a row until wcs gives up
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 25 2013 04:58 GMT
#78
IM is too good at winning. With that said...

First > Jaedong
1. IM blessing
2. JvP
3. Jaedong lost in the semis of a DH, meaning that his curse doesn't always mean 2nd place

TaeJa > Bomber
1. Bomber Law disappointment
2. Summer of TaeJa

First > TaeJa
1. IM blessing
2. Remember last summer when TaeJa was dominating IPL TAC 3? Wait, then how did Team Liquid get 2nd place? Oh yeah, IMSeed stopped him. IM fighting!
(Besides, is it close enough to autumn?)
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
August 25 2013 05:10 GMT
#79
Nice write up, Zealously!

My predictions though:

Jaedong > First 3:1
Bomber < Taeja 2:3

Taeja > Jaedong 4:2

We'll see.
I'd still be really happy if this was the first major tournament victory for Jaedong!
We'll see.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 25 2013 05:12 GMT
#80
first is one of those lesser known korean who are in shape and defeat the fan favourites and better known players.Sadly sc2 hasn't had a top player being consistent and winning many tournaments in a row since mma.Knowing how the sc2 scene works I know first will probably win the entire thing

there should be a new sc2 law:"the least known korean always wins the tournament".I am definately roting for jaedong but seriously doubt he can win over first.First is the duckdeok of this wcs finals.
SayHello
Profile Joined December 2010
Czech Republic147 Posts
August 25 2013 05:13 GMT
#81
nicely written
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 25 2013 05:24 GMT
#82
On August 25 2013 14:12 theking1 wrote:
first is one of those lesser known korean who are in shape and defeat the fan favourites and better known players.Sadly sc2 hasn't had a top player being consistent and winning many tournaments in a row since mma.Knowing how the sc2 scene works I know first will probably win the entire thing

there should be a new sc2 law:"the least known korean always wins the tournament".I am definately roting for jaedong but seriously doubt he can win over first.First is the duckdeok of this wcs finals.


you mean Mvp?
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
August 25 2013 05:25 GMT
#83
On August 25 2013 09:43 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

All hail Zealously.

He predicted the correct result in every match in that group (including Naniwa over Innovation), IIRC.

I love all four players that are left over, so I don't care too much who wins, but I kinda hope it's Taeja vs Jaedong in the finals. I feel like that would produce the highest quality games.

I have a feeling Bomber vs Taeja is going to be incredible too and I feel like whoever can emerge from that battle should go into the final as the favourite.
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
August 25 2013 05:26 GMT
#84
Great writeup!
Liquipedia
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 25 2013 05:33 GMT
#85
On August 25 2013 14:25 althaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 09:43 babylon wrote:
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16

All hail Zealously.

He predicted the correct result in every match in that group (including Naniwa over Innovation), IIRC.

I love all four players that are left over, so I don't care too much who wins, but I kinda hope it's Taeja vs Jaedong in the finals. I feel like that would produce the highest quality games.

I have a feeling Bomber vs Taeja is going to be incredible too and I feel like whoever can emerge from that battle should go into the final as the favourite.

nah he only got the players advancing right. His match by match breakdown was
TaeJa > INnoVation
NaNiwa > Duckdeok
TaeJa > NaNiwa
duckdeok > INnoVation
NaNiwa > duckdeok

correct results and still an impressive prediction, but not every match right
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 05:46:26
August 25 2013 05:43 GMT
#86
On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.


What a joke post. I've been far more impressed with First than I ever have with Alive. He's actually one of the few Protoss players I truly find entertaining. If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.

Alive's always had potential too, and did score some nice results back in 2012, but get real. For a long time Alive has been mediocre, and this tournament was the best showing he's had in awhile. First on the other hand, even prior to OSL posted impressive results at two IEMs and in GSTL.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
August 25 2013 05:55 GMT
#87
I think the finals will be as antihype as it will get, so here's my prediction: First will kill JD and then Bomer in the finals, while our beloved man also chokes and extremely underperforms.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 25 2013 06:28 GMT
#88
On August 25 2013 14:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:33 ladysman09 wrote:
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote:
This final four is so good


Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.

Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.

And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.

tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.


What a joke post. I've been far more impressed with First than I ever have with Alive. He's actually one of the few Protoss players I truly find entertaining. If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.

Alive's always had potential too, and did score some nice results back in 2012, but get real. For a long time Alive has been mediocre, and this tournament was the best showing he's had in awhile. First on the other hand, even prior to OSL posted impressive results at two IEMs and in GSTL.


I fully agree.

aLive's been one of those sick Korean Terrans that can pull off amazing things from time to time. Here, let me name some who are just as good or better: SuperNova, TaeJa, Flash, Bomber, TY, INnoVation, YoDa, Maru, Mvp, KeeN, Ryung, Dream, ByuN.

First has been one of those Korean Protoss players who dazzle you with such good play that you legitimately think he might be the next Protoss champion. List of people who are as good as him or better (at the moment): Rain, maybe PartinG. Too little of Sora to tell. I think First is solidly a cut above HerO, herO, sOs (dropped off a lot), Flying, YongHwa, Squirtle, and duckdeok.
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T.O.P
Profile Joined December 2012
469 Posts
August 25 2013 06:31 GMT
#89
Bomber!
I'm not the real T.O.P just a fan!
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 07:05:42
August 25 2013 07:04 GMT
#90
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16


Oh yeah
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MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
August 25 2013 07:15 GMT
#91
I don't post that much on TL anymore.

I just wanted to stop by and say that I think the Korean translator/host (didn't catch his name) is doing a really great job. Great energy, transitions, and questions. I don't speak Korean, but through body language, it seems like by the way he's asking them questions and his personality, he's able to get more out of these Korean pros during the interviews. It feels like I get a lot more out of them during his interviews that I ever have in any other tournament. (I hope he's not just adding color to their answers to make them more fleshed out?)

Hire this man again and give him a raise.

Thanks.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
August 25 2013 07:24 GMT
#92
On August 25 2013 12:36 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 12:32 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 12:25 Lysanias wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:36 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 11:23 goody153 wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:57 XtreMe_au wrote:
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote:
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O

Soulkey**

JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt

He's not even KeSPA anymore ...


I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.

I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.


I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that.
Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.


EG is not and esf team.... and yes its only between esf and kespa
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 25 2013 07:25 GMT
#93
On August 25 2013 16:15 MrSexington wrote:
I don't post that much on TL anymore.

I just wanted to stop by and say that I think the Korean translator/host (didn't catch his name) is doing a really great job. Great energy, transitions, and questions. I don't speak Korean, but through body language, it seems like by the way he's asking them questions and his personality, he's able to get more out of these Korean pros during the interviews. It feels like I get a lot more out of them during his interviews that I ever have in any other tournament. (I hope he's not just adding color to their answers to make them more fleshed out?)

Hire this man again and give him a raise.

Thanks.


Yes that's Chobra. First introduced into the sc2 scene at the last WCS finals (at least from what I know) and since then he's been nothing short of a baller. Acer did a really long interview with him:

NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
August 25 2013 07:37 GMT
#94
On August 25 2013 10:10 ymir233 wrote:
4-3 JD-Taeja finals.

I will believe.


this man has spirit
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
holmesgenius
Profile Joined February 2013
Vietnam65 Posts
August 25 2013 07:51 GMT
#95
seriously, JD - the RUNNER UP
Terran imbalance ---- Zerg wins ---- Protoss advances
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
August 25 2013 08:01 GMT
#96
Raise your Dongers to the sky, my bretheren! The time is nigh! The Dong stands upon the cusp of victory - and he and I, and you - all of you, shall come upon a time where we may abandon our stalwart faith in exchange for an other.

For what man is in need of faith when his eyes witness an absolute truth? An icon of the age, bathed in glory as is his right! I tell you now, my fellow Dongers, this truth all ye should know:

Tonight, the Tyrant reigns.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
August 25 2013 08:37 GMT
#97
Chobra is a boss
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 25 2013 08:41 GMT
#98
i hope for a First vs Bomber finals, and from then on i will be satisfied whoever wins as long as the games are good <.<
SupaDupaFlyPro
Profile Joined May 2013
Italy47 Posts
August 25 2013 08:46 GMT
#99
Normally the least expected is the one who takes it all (see Bisu vs sAviOr at MSL in BW, Stardust at Dreamhack, Maru at OSL to name a few) therefore I think First will win it all and this would make me a bit upset since I want Jaedong to win so bad.
Any combination with JD in the finals is fine to me and may the strongest take the championship!
RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
August 25 2013 08:54 GMT
#100
Bomber will go to the finals, and lose 4-0 so quickly, it'll be a historical record never to be rivaled.

Bomber's Law part 2: if Bomber does not disappoint, he is setting you up for an even BIGGER disappointment later in the tournament.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 25 2013 08:59 GMT
#101
SC2 skill ceiling definitely hasn't been attained yet, if these finals are anything to work with. It's interesting to see the OSL Koreans not dominating. That said I wasn't surprised to hear that Innovation had lost.

You can call me whatever, that guy is probably overrated. He's very good, don't get me wrong, but he's not as good as people think. He's not the best player in the world, there are too many other players who are showing good results as well.
maru lover forever
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
August 25 2013 09:02 GMT
#102
THE TYRANT IS BACK!

3:0 Jaedong in semifinal

i believe
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
August 25 2013 09:08 GMT
#103
I think it will be Bomber vs JD in the final. Bomber to take it: 4 - 2.
KT best KT ~ 2014
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
August 25 2013 09:08 GMT
#104
GO JD GO JD GO..

GO JD GO JD GO..
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
Omnidroid
Profile Joined November 2011
New Zealand214 Posts
August 25 2013 09:16 GMT
#105
This is your time to shine Jaedong!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 25 2013 09:23 GMT
#106
Jaedong-Bomber finals plssssss
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 25 2013 09:38 GMT
#107
I don't know how I feel about Bomber being favored to win in terms of Bomber's Law. But I am willing to suspend my belief in it for today and hopefully just enjoy some SC2.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 25 2013 09:55 GMT
#108
JaeKong versus Bomber's Law
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 09:57:39
August 25 2013 09:57 GMT
#109
Jaedong will dominate today.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Schism
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia85 Posts
August 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#110
Whatever they pay Chobra, it's not enough. Perfect tourney host.
Serenity now...insanity later
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
August 25 2013 10:41 GMT
#111
This article just makes me afraid that bomber has us set up for the biggest disappointment in a long while.
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
August 25 2013 10:44 GMT
#112
Bomber Jaedong finals please! that way I'll be happy with whoever wins!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 25 2013 12:53 GMT
#113
Bg.
Refer to my post.
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 13:51:58
August 25 2013 13:47 GMT
#114
Zealously is a GOD
EDIT:
On August 25 2013 14:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.

Yeah and if anything it should have been a 3-0 Bomber and 3-0 SuperNoVa in OSL, OH WAIT!
When cats speak, mice listen.
Serenity41
Profile Joined September 2012
United States4 Posts
August 25 2013 16:21 GMT
#115
Bomber has been my favorite player since "way back" in 2011. It's been a long road, but I am so happy he finally has won a tournament of this stature. GG Bomber!
<3 Bomer
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
August 25 2013 16:40 GMT
#116
Bomber- WCS Season 2 Champion
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 25 2013 16:42 GMT
#117
Jaedong practiced too much vsProtoss.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Provok
Profile Joined March 2012
France159 Posts
August 25 2013 17:22 GMT
#118
Welcome to 2011, cu 1 year before Terran is balanced again.

Well played Bomber tho.

User was temp banned for this post.
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
August 25 2013 17:52 GMT
#119
Yes go bomber would have loved jd to pick up a win though I'm so glad bomber Finally is a champion!
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
GrimZeRo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 20:46:49
August 25 2013 20:46 GMT
#120
Man, JD getting 4-0'd by terrans in all the finals :\
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 25 2013 21:28 GMT
#121
On August 25 2013 22:47 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Zealously is a GOD
EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 14:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.

Yeah and if anything it should have been a 3-0 Bomber and 3-0 SuperNoVa in OSL, OH WAIT!


???

Supernova lost..?
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 01:43:39
August 26 2013 01:41 GMT
#122
TaeJa 4-2 First
Edit: Zealously is god...
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
August 26 2013 14:10 GMT
#123
So what ever happened to that Day 3 recap? I'm still waiting to hear what the writing team has to say about the whole thing. Been waiting for over a day now yo.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 27 2013 05:37 GMT
#124
On August 26 2013 06:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 22:47 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Zealously is a GOD
EDIT:
On August 25 2013 14:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.

Yeah and if anything it should have been a 3-0 Bomber and 3-0 SuperNoVa in OSL, OH WAIT!


???

Supernova lost..?

sarcasm bro, sarcasm.
read the quote.
"If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First"
According to him he should have 3-0'd aLive, which is unlikely considering his record vs Bomber and SuperNoVa
So I put "3-0 Bomber and 3-0 SuperNoVa". Then "OH WAIT!" because First never 3-0'd both bomber and supernova, so a 3-0 vs aLive wouldnt be likely
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