The middle day of the WCS Season 2 Finals saw the trend of surprising results continue as the remaining twelve players were trimmed down to a final four.
The first shock was that all three regional champions, MaruPrime, MVP.duckdeok, and CMStorm_Polt, were eliminated before even reaching the quarter-finals. Which ties into the second surprise—two of them were eliminated by non-Korean players who showed fine form on the day. Alliance.NaNiwa got his revenge on Duckdeok in the final match of their Ro16 group, avenging an earlier loss from day one, and a slightly older loss from the WCS EU quarter-finals. Meanwhile, Acer.Scarlett scored a massive upset over Maru in the final match of Group D, eliminating the reigning OSL champion and further affirming her credentials as a killer ZvT player.
Although the fine play of the foreigners continued in the quarter-finals, it was not enough to see them into the semi-final round. NaNiwa seemed to vex Jaedong at some points with tactics ranging from cannon rushes to voidray-zealot, but the Evil Geniuses Zerg showed far better adaptability and decision making than in their previous meetings and was able to take a 3 - 1 victory. And while Scarlett managed to duel ST_Bomber evenly all the way to a fifth game on Akilon Wastes, a clever proxy-reaper into hellion-banshee build that Bomber had saved for such a dire occasion saw him triumph over the Acer Zerg who had no such secret weapons.
In another upset of note, Liquid`TaeJa secured a 3 - 0 quarter-final win against SKT_Rain, a player who he had not been able score a single win against before. Battling into both players' preferred late-game phase, TaeJa used his superlative ghost micro to gain the edge and take three straight wins. The remaining quarter-final match, though not an upset in terms of results, was still a thriller, with IM_First edging EG.aLive out narrowly by a 3 - 2 scoreline.
Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
For Lee Jae Dong, winning is a fact of life. Since he won his first major title in 2007, EG.Jaedong has been a championship contender over and over, again and again. Going up against his rival Flash in no less than four finals, he is no stranger to difficult opponents and playing with all the weight of the world on his shoulders.
However, the Tyrant's switch to Starcraft II offered some early trouble. Despite high finishes in several tournaments, he famously struggled to find his footing against the Protoss race, creating the new concept of "JvP", the antithesis of the famously strong "JvZ" that existed since the Brood War days.
Like many other players who came to Starcraft II late from another game, the story for Jaedong is one of slow but constant improvement. Slowly but surely, Jaedong has grown – from a man who (like his humble beginnings in Brood War) could only play ZvZ, to a man highly capable in TvZ as well, and finally to a man who can be called a complete StarCraft 2 player.
Perhaps it was inevitable all along. From putting up a meager fight against the suddenly-good-at-PvZ-Naniwa at Dreamhack Open, to narrowly losing to Stardust at the next Dreamhack, to knocking Jim out of WCS America, Jaedong has gradually shored up the holes in his PvZ. Known as one of the hardest working players in all of e-sports, the work is finally paying off for the Tyrant. For the first time since KeSPA's transition to Starcraft II, Jaedong isn't "just" a good player, but a championship contender at the highest level. He has made it to the finals of other major events before, granted, but I've felt like there has were still significant weaknesses in his play or some luck involved in his brackets. Watching Jaedong's play this weekend, I feel like this is no longer the case.
For the first time in Starcraft II, his play against Protoss has been stellar. Placed in a group with Rain, MC, and Welmu to begin, many expected Jaedong to struggle. Jaedong's poor overall ZvP record inspired no confidence, and although he beat Jim in WCS America, it was a narrow 3 - 2 victory that left lingering questions. Jaedong's answer in Cologne was a 2-0 trashing of two-time OSL finalist Rain and a 2 - 1 victory over MC to advance in first place. He proceeded to beat his nemesis Naniwa 3 - 1 in the quarterfinals, making this tournament a true eye opener for many fans.
Jaedong no longer has a glaring match-up weakness, no auto-lose condition. By beating Naniwa, MC and Rain, Jaedong has overcome three separate styles of PvZ and gathered significant momentum along the way. Now, his semifinals opponent is another Protoss, LG-IM's First.
IM_First is a member of an exclusive players' club, rooted in Brood War but perhaps more prominent in Starcraft II. Along the likes of aLive, Curious and Light, First is a player no one ever seems to notice. Despite winning a major tournament, placing runner-up at two, and finishing top eight in five more, First is anything but a fan favorite. It's hard to tell the reason. He plays a strong and unique brand of Protoss, but perhaps it's just not strong or unique enough to attract attention. Despite being an excellent player and a serious title contender, First has gone through two stages of the tournament while being given little attention.
Pictured: First celebrating his quarterfinal victory over aLive
Players like Sniper have taught us that not being given attention does not mean anything in terms of skill. First outlasted his Terran counterpart aLive in a very high-level series of PvT and made both Polt and Grubby look silly in the group stages, showing that while he is not the most hyped player of the tournament, he has the skill to make things happen.
However, matched up against a Zerg in the semifinals, there is one big question mark hovering over First's head: how is his PvZ? To find any clues, we have to go back to the recently concluded OSL. The IM Protoss beat Symbol 2 - 0 in the consolation matches and had a mixed record against the likes of hyvaa, RorO and Leenock in the group stages. Good opponents for sure, but do they measure up to an on-fire Jaedong? The knee-jerk answer would be "No" if we were to get swept up in this weekend's hype, but you always count out players like First at your own risk. WCS Korea's reputation may have suffered this weekend, but First did show he could take care of business in PvZ in the OSL.
But in the end, Jaedong has, as absurd as it is to say when the opponent is a guy with as many high finishes as First, much more experience. Jaedong has the ability to stay calm under pressure and while First has shown us nothing to indicate that he doesn't, Jaedong's 6pool against Scarlett in the WCS America semi-finals has something to say about his killer instinct in particular. First is good, but he lacks a certain flair – the ability to throw everything out the window to go for a proxy 2-gate on the final map. Until he shows that he possesses that kind of instinct, he does not benefit from a longer series like Jaedong does. Jaedong has managed to overcome his greatest hurdle this weekend, and I don't expect him to fall to a Protoss now.
Prediction: Jaedong 3 - 1 First
Semi-Final #2: TaeJa vs. Bomber
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
Life must be great for Liquid'TaeJa. Not only did he make the semifinals of both WCS America and the Season 2 Finals, going a long way toward securing him a spot at the Global Finals, but he beat the (previously) consensus best player in the world and the WCS Korea runner-up to make it here. And not only that, a dangerous opponent in Polt, the man who eliminated him 3-2 in WCS America, dropped out in the Round of 16 before a re-match could take place. Things could hardly have worked out better for the Liquid Terran thus far.
In one of the bigger subplots in the ongoing story that is Starcraft II, Taeja has returned to his fabled summer-form. A year ago, he was moneyhunting overseas, winning triple foreign tournaments by taking out a few big names in each. Then came the stereotypical bad guy present in every novel, an evil being named ”Wrist Issues”. The struggle was long and hard, but it seems Taeja has finally overcome his nemesis, and he now returns to where his story began, neck-deep in a tournament full of big names.
In Taeja's victory over Innovation, he fully showcased the strength of his bio-tank play. People like to talk about Innovation's surgical play and astonishing multitasking, but Taeja was on point for most of the deciding game, with barely a moment passing without some kind action taking place to wrest control of the map from INnoVation. With a combination of an ideal unit composition and multi-pronged aggression, Taeja was able to pick Innovation apart, eventually taking the win after an hour-long game.
In the semi-finals, Taeja's opponent will be ST_Bomber, a player very unlike Innovation. Not only because Bomber is a more colorful character, or because of his tendency to sometimes look beyond great and sometimes lose to players he should have no business losing to, but because the StarTale Terran plays a wholly different brand of TvT. If the series against INnoVation was about how to unlock the mech puzzle, then the series against Bomber will be one about fighting fire with fire. Bomber plays bio-tank as well as any player in the world, and not even Flash or INnoVation could stand up against him in the OSL.
To be constantly belittled and expected to fail has become perhaps the most sad constant in Bomber's career. Ever since his fateful choke against Byun in 2011, the possibility of yet another choke, another throw, has always lingered. StarTale is mocked when their ace Terran fails to deliver, and Bomber is ridiculed as he manner-mules himself to death. But all of this might be in the past for Bomber. He hasn't looked as good, as consistent (yes, I'm using that word in a sentence describing Bomber) in a long time, perhaps ever. The only competition to today's Bomber is a Bomber attending an MLG of ages past, where all opposition was promptly executed on site.
I would go as far as to say that Bomber's Law (and its corollary) is history. Starting with WCS Korea season 1, Bomber has been on the rise – not just in terms of skill, but in terms of confidence and consistency. Gone are the days where Bomber might crumble just minutes after demolishing his opponent in Game 1. What we have now is a Bomber like the one we thought would emerge two years ago, again on the cusp of greatness. This is the Bomber that made Mvp look like a joke in the Code A finals, back when Mvp was the most dominant force on the planet. He crushed Flash and Innovation, the two most prominent KeSPA terrans and made First, now a fellow semi-finalist, look just as crushed.
The second semi-final will pit two Terrans against each other. One played Innovation and emerged victorious but bloodied, pushed to the limit. The other played him and emerged without a scratch. Both have had their soaring highs and abysmal lows, tournaments they seemed destined to win but allowed to slip away. Both have an affinity for muling on the wrong side of the map, and both have defeated the reigning Season Champion to prove that they are formidable foes in the match-up.
With all this in mind, does Taeja have a chance? Yes – there are things he could potentially do to switch things up, to catch Bomber off-guard and secure a spot in the grand finals.
But Bomber is my favorite to take it. His systematic disassembling of Innovation and stomping of Flash instilled enough confidence in me that I cannot reasonably see him going out to Taeja, who just barely got past Innovation on the champion's worst weekend yet. It has been said time and again, but if there ever was a tournament made for Bomber to win it, the WCS Season 2 Finals is it. This is where he either dispels the Law, or falls to its might.
I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.
On August 25 2013 09:35 Koromon wrote: I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.
Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.
I dunno man, Bomber didnt look as dominate in his vZ as his vT or vP.
If it comes down to Bomber vs. JD (please, sweet merciful jesus let is come down to that) I don't think it'll be a 4-0 sweep.
I think it'll be a pretty damn close series, and the winner will probably depend on Jaedong's practice time with ZvT since hes been swamped in Protoss for this whole tournament.
nice writeup, however when referring to zerg players, please refer to their matchups against terrans as their ZvT, rather than their TvZ, same thing was written for Scarlett too, why is this??
That's really not true at all, First is not considered an "overlooked" player like Alive and Sniper. You're really the first person I've even seen propose that idea. He had a ton of hype behind him during OSL, and his games in this have been getting people super excited.
I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Jaedong is not Kespa in SC2. He was a noob before coming to EG.
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
I couldn't help but rofl at this. Sounds like someone's gonna repeat that part everytime he writes something I shall give you credit, although I say you got lucky! Taeja will destroy Bomber keeping Bomber law tact and destroying the hearts of many fans including that of wintex(doubt he'll read this lol).
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
On August 25 2013 09:35 Koromon wrote: I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.
Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.
Isn't Bomber 5-0 against First the last month or so? Maybe 5-1?
Also:
On August 25 2013 10:58 GWdeathscythe wrote: Jaedong to win it all. "The Tyrant is back" -Lee Jae Dong, 24/08/2013
On August 25 2013 09:35 Koromon wrote: I can't imagine the winner not being Terran. Both of them should crush JD, and Taejas games against Rain make me doubt him losing TvP (TaejavP if he gets to showcase what he did again). And Bomber... well, I guess if he goes against First I can start to imagine a Terran not winning.
Anyhoot, Bomber > JD my prediction! 4-0.
Isn't Bomber 5-0 against First the last month or so? Maybe 5-1?
I think Bomber has the best TvT in the world, and even though Taeja is screamin' hot right now I'm worried for him. First, while still incredibly good, is probably weaker than any of the other three in the Ro4.
I feel like there's a rock-paper-scissors relationship going on with the other three in that Bomber > Taeja > Jaedong > Bomber.
All that said, I really really really want Taeja or Jaedong to take it all the way.
P.S. Two years ago, who could have ever envisioned a possible EG vs TL grand final in the most prestigious tournament in the world?
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: <h3>Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview</h3>by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
Man, that just makes me want to search out the previous thread and quote all the doubters .
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: <h3>Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview</h3>by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
Man, that just makes me want to search out the previous thread and quote all the doubters .
Someone already did that. Here ya go:
On August 24 2013 11:45 mbr2321 wrote: I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:
with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.
On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote: Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.
On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote: You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.
On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote: The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.
The group will go as follows
Innovation Duckdeok Taeja Naniwa.
On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote: Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.
On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote: So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane
On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote: hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!
On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote: Innovation stomp is obvious
On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote: Zealously you're drunk,go home.
On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote: If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD
Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.
On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote: WTF is wrong with the predictions?
On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote: I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote: The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.
On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote: Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?
On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote: Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.
On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote: foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail
On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote: This prediction will be wronger than wrong.
On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote: dat prediction :D
Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea
On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote: Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias
On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote: haha...this prediction is so wrong
On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote: If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat
Please make it true Naniwa...
On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote: Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.
On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote: What crack pipe is OP smoking?
On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote: This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.
On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote: Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...
I placed my liquid bet already.
On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote: yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.
On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.
On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote: who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote: It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.
It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.
On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote: If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.
And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):
On August 25 2013 09:13 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: <h3>Semi-Final #1: Jaedong vs. First Preview</h3>by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
Man, that just makes me want to search out the previous thread and quote all the doubters .
with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.
On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote: Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.
On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote: You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.
On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote: The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.
The group will go as follows
Innovation Duckdeok Taeja Naniwa.
On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote: Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.
On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote: So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane
On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote: hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!
On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote: Innovation stomp is obvious
On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote: Zealously you're drunk,go home.
On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote: If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD
Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.
On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote: WTF is wrong with the predictions?
On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote: I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote: The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.
On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote: Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?
On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote: Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.
On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote: foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail
On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote: This prediction will be wronger than wrong.
On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote: dat prediction :D
Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea
On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote: Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias
On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote: haha...this prediction is so wrong
On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote: If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat
Please make it true Naniwa...
On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote: Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.
On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote: What crack pipe is OP smoking?
On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote: This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.
On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote: Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...
I placed my liquid bet already.
On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote: yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.
On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.
On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote: who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote: It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.
It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.
On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote: If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.
And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):
On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote: if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
On August 25 2013 09:15 Iodem wrote: Jaedong Bomber is the best possible finals. Both are destined for 2nd place, so it'll be the battle of the chokers.
Either Taeja vs First or Taeja vs Jaedong would arguably be 4 - 0's for Taeja.
People are really sleeping on First. I understand he's nowhere near as big a name as Jaedong, nor is he a longtime fan favorite like Bomber or a teamliquid player like Taeja, but in terms of actual Starcraft skill he should not be underestimated. He's LG-IM's best Protoss, and given that they have arguably the most stacked Protoss lineup of any team, that's pretty impressive. I think he's got as good a chance to win this as any of the more well known players.
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.
I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.
EDIT: Just saw the DES article you were talking about where they refer to it as a "lease," which clarifies what you're talking about. It seems he is still legally bound to KeSPA. Still, calling him a KeSPA player "by legalities only" makes pretty much no sense in any context.
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.
I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.
I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that. Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.
I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.
I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that. Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.
Sorry, I just edited my post, but it seems we were both confused. The trade lock is indeed only between eSF and KeSPA. When JD was first contracted by EG, there was a whole to-do about Korean sites saying he was "on loan" and would have to return to T8 should they find a sponsor, but EG management said this was wrong, and that he was acquired by them. However, I just trawled through the site a bit to see if I missed anything, and it seems I did overlook this news article: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421124
So he's on "lease," and is somehow legally bound to KeSPA but at the same time can choose to go wherever, apparently ... which doesn't make any sense to me, really, except that it's obvious KeSPA wants to keep their hands on him.
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
I thought for sure JD would lose to Naniwa. I expected Nani to do his 3 stargate voidray everygame though, not just starting from game 3. JD Got just about every style throw at him so far this tournament, so I'm confident he can pull this one off too
But zvt finals is gonna hurt =\ I think he can beat Bomber, not so much Taeja
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes.
Lol. Well, why don't we say this for everybody who ever lost in the history of professional competition?
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I prefer esF over Kespa anyday, but I love Jaedong. Still, I consider him to be semi Kespa at least because once his contract with EG ends, he'll be going back to Team 8 if I remember correctly
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.
First went Europe first and then stayed in Europe while Alive had to stay in some random shitty hotel in America.
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
First came from Korea. They probably both came from Korea.
First went Europe first and then stayed in Europe while Alive had to stay in some random shitty hotel in America.
Regardless, I still don't think there's any reason to think Alive is better at TvP than First is at PvT. First's PvT is sick.
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I prefer esF over Kespa anyday, but I love Jaedong. Still, I consider him to be semi Kespa at least because once his contract with EG ends, he'll be going back to Team 8 if I remember correctly
Basically, if JD and EG want to stay together, they can stay together. (EG sounds like they want to keep JD, and JD seems to be meshing well with EG, so high possibility.)
If not, JD goes back to T8 ... unless he doesn't want to (lol). In which case, he will negotiate with KeSPA to go to another team.
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
aLive more talented than First? That's a pretty dubious claim.
First is one of those talents where everyone just knew he had potential, he was doing really well in team leagues, and he just brought his skill to individual tournaments. If he wins the entire thing, I won't be surprised at all.
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.
Anyway, First will lost against JD, seeing as JD has been getting lucky in all his PvZ's because his opponents make random mistakes. And since First is not as good as a player as Rain, MC or Naniwa, we will see if his 0-3 loss to JD will be at least close games or a one sided stomp.
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
You're seriously underrating First. He is a PvT beast. He absolutely dismantled a number of Terran in GSTL who are as good or better than Alive. When he's on form, I think he might be the best PvT player in the world--his drop defense is even better than Rain's.
He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.
Anyway, First will lost against JD, seeing as JD has been getting lucky in all his PvZ's because his opponents make random mistakes. And since First is not as good as a player as Rain, MC or Naniwa, we will see if his 0-3 loss to JD will be at least close games or a one sided stomp.
He was showcasing some of his best PvT versus Bomber and still lost one-sidedly. And Rain isn't even that good anymore in PvT. If anything, you should compare First to someone who can actually beat Innovation like Naniwa or Parting, who are both better than First by at least 3 levels, no offense to First.
If we take into account Bomber's Law, and the JaeKong curse, there is only one possible end to this. JD will defeat JvP and crush First, and Bomber will demolish Taeja, bringing the level of Bomber hype to an all time high. In the grand finals, Bomber will pummel Jaedong in the first three games, and half-way through the fourth game, causing Artosis to say that Bomber has finally done it. However, Jaedong will then pull out a miracle come-back, and crush Bomber, as well as annihilate him in games 5, 6, and 7, leaving Bomber only with a few floating buildings to face Jaedong's 200/200 army. Then Jaedong will faint due to unspecified health issues, leaving Blizzard the only option to crown Bomber as the champion, thereby fulfilling both the JaeKong curse, and Bomber's Law, by making him win in a manner more disappointing than defeat.
Or of course Taeja could defeat both Bomber and JD, but I prefer the first theory personally.
On August 25 2013 13:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: If we take into account Bomber's Law, and the JaeKong curse, there is only one possible end to this. JD will defeat JvP and crush First, and Bomber will demolish Taeja, bringing the level of Bomber hype to an all time high. In the grand finals, Bomber will pummel Jaedong in the first three games, and half-way through the fourth game, causing Artosis to say that Bomber has finally done it. However, Jaedong will then pull out a miracle come-back, and crush Bomber, as well as annihilate him in games 5, 6, and 7, leaving Bomber only with a few floating buildings to face Jaedong's 200/200 army. Then Jaedong will faint due to unspecified health issues, leaving Blizzard the only option to crown Bomber as the champion, thereby fulfilling both the JaeKong curse, and Bomber's Law, by making him win in a manner more disappointing than defeat.
Or of course Taeja could defeat both Bomber and JD, but I prefer the first theory personally.
Actually there will just be 7 ties in a row until wcs gives up
First > Jaedong 1. IM blessing 2. JvP 3. Jaedong lost in the semis of a DH, meaning that his curse doesn't always mean 2nd place
TaeJa > Bomber 1. Bomber Law disappointment 2. Summer of TaeJa
First > TaeJa 1. IM blessing 2. Remember last summer when TaeJa was dominating IPL TAC 3? Wait, then how did Team Liquid get 2nd place? Oh yeah, IMSeed stopped him. IM fighting! (Besides, is it close enough to autumn?)
first is one of those lesser known korean who are in shape and defeat the fan favourites and better known players.Sadly sc2 hasn't had a top player being consistent and winning many tournaments in a row since mma.Knowing how the sc2 scene works I know first will probably win the entire thing
there should be a new sc2 law:"the least known korean always wins the tournament".I am definately roting for jaedong but seriously doubt he can win over first.First is the duckdeok of this wcs finals.
On August 25 2013 14:12 theking1 wrote: first is one of those lesser known korean who are in shape and defeat the fan favourites and better known players.Sadly sc2 hasn't had a top player being consistent and winning many tournaments in a row since mma.Knowing how the sc2 scene works I know first will probably win the entire thing
there should be a new sc2 law:"the least known korean always wins the tournament".I am definately roting for jaedong but seriously doubt he can win over first.First is the duckdeok of this wcs finals.
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
All hail Zealously.
He predicted the correct result in every match in that group (including Naniwa over Innovation), IIRC.
I love all four players that are left over, so I don't care too much who wins, but I kinda hope it's Taeja vs Jaedong in the finals. I feel like that would produce the highest quality games.
I have a feeling Bomber vs Taeja is going to be incredible too and I feel like whoever can emerge from that battle should go into the final as the favourite.
by Zealously, who correctly predicted INnoVation to be eliminated in the Ro16
All hail Zealously.
He predicted the correct result in every match in that group (including Naniwa over Innovation), IIRC.
I love all four players that are left over, so I don't care too much who wins, but I kinda hope it's Taeja vs Jaedong in the finals. I feel like that would produce the highest quality games.
I have a feeling Bomber vs Taeja is going to be incredible too and I feel like whoever can emerge from that battle should go into the final as the favourite.
nah he only got the players advancing right. His match by match breakdown was TaeJa > INnoVation NaNiwa > Duckdeok TaeJa > NaNiwa duckdeok > INnoVation NaNiwa > duckdeok
correct results and still an impressive prediction, but not every match right
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
What a joke post. I've been far more impressed with First than I ever have with Alive. He's actually one of the few Protoss players I truly find entertaining. If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.
Alive's always had potential too, and did score some nice results back in 2012, but get real. For a long time Alive has been mediocre, and this tournament was the best showing he's had in awhile. First on the other hand, even prior to OSL posted impressive results at two IEMs and in GSTL.
I think the finals will be as antihype as it will get, so here's my prediction: First will kill JD and then Bomer in the finals, while our beloved man also chokes and extremely underperforms.
On August 25 2013 09:56 ffrozenfish wrote: This final four is so good
Alive should have beaten First if he didn't make any mistakes. Also, coming from USA, Alive was very very jetlagged, unlike First. That also played a huge role.
Alive actually should have 3-0'd First being the more experienced and much more talented player, not to take anything away from First, but he just got lucky alive is a choker and was jet lagged.
And Naniwa made way WAY too many mistakes against Jaedong. I don't think JD's ZvP improved at all, it's just that his Protoss opponents made way too many mistakes. Rain, let's not even talk about him, and MC? Well first off he failed his all ins from micro mistakes and secondly he did Masters mistakes like forgetting the zealot at the hole.
tl;dr...alive is better than first, and naniwa, mc and rain are all better than JD, they just made mistakes.
What a joke post. I've been far more impressed with First than I ever have with Alive. He's actually one of the few Protoss players I truly find entertaining. If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.
Alive's always had potential too, and did score some nice results back in 2012, but get real. For a long time Alive has been mediocre, and this tournament was the best showing he's had in awhile. First on the other hand, even prior to OSL posted impressive results at two IEMs and in GSTL.
I fully agree.
aLive's been one of those sick Korean Terrans that can pull off amazing things from time to time. Here, let me name some who are just as good or better: SuperNova, TaeJa, Flash, Bomber, TY, INnoVation, YoDa, Maru, Mvp, KeeN, Ryung, Dream, ByuN.
First has been one of those Korean Protoss players who dazzle you with such good play that you legitimately think he might be the next Protoss champion. List of people who are as good as him or better (at the moment): Rain, maybe PartinG. Too little of Sora to tell. I think First is solidly a cut above HerO, herO, sOs (dropped off a lot), Flying, YongHwa, Squirtle, and duckdeok.
I just wanted to stop by and say that I think the Korean translator/host (didn't catch his name) is doing a really great job. Great energy, transitions, and questions. I don't speak Korean, but through body language, it seems like by the way he's asking them questions and his personality, he's able to get more out of these Korean pros during the interviews. It feels like I get a lot more out of them during his interviews that I ever have in any other tournament. (I hope he's not just adding color to their answers to make them more fleshed out?)
On August 25 2013 10:27 astray71 wrote: I want a Taeja vs Jaedong finals. Not only for the TL vs EG rivalry, but mostly because it means that Taeja will have fought all of the Kespa 'gods' of their respective race: Innovation, Rain and Jaedong. Toughest road out of anyone o.O
Soulkey**
JD is still not the Kespa 'God' of zerg .. he is playing really well but not at the top .. soulkey still at the top in terms of zvt
He's not even KeSPA anymore ...
I think people are confused he still is. It's more of a "lease" for EG then an actual acquirement.
I assume you mean "loan," which was what the Korean news sites were trying to pass it off as. This has been refuted by EG management. JD's not on loan, and he's not bound by contract to return to T8 now that they have a sponsor. He's an EG player, same as any other EG player, and he'll join or not join a KeSPA team in the future based on his own wishes.
I thought it was not possible to require a player because of the trade lock period by kespa, but alright i guess i stand corrected on that. Did he just not have a contract with T8 ? Or was the trade lock only there for eSF and kespa.
EG is not and esf team.... and yes its only between esf and kespa
On August 25 2013 16:15 MrSexington wrote: I don't post that much on TL anymore.
I just wanted to stop by and say that I think the Korean translator/host (didn't catch his name) is doing a really great job. Great energy, transitions, and questions. I don't speak Korean, but through body language, it seems like by the way he's asking them questions and his personality, he's able to get more out of these Korean pros during the interviews. It feels like I get a lot more out of them during his interviews that I ever have in any other tournament. (I hope he's not just adding color to their answers to make them more fleshed out?)
Hire this man again and give him a raise.
Thanks.
Yes that's Chobra. First introduced into the sc2 scene at the last WCS finals (at least from what I know) and since then he's been nothing short of a baller. Acer did a really long interview with him:
Raise your Dongers to the sky, my bretheren! The time is nigh! The Dong stands upon the cusp of victory - and he and I, and you - all of you, shall come upon a time where we may abandon our stalwart faith in exchange for an other.
For what man is in need of faith when his eyes witness an absolute truth? An icon of the age, bathed in glory as is his right! I tell you now, my fellow Dongers, this truth all ye should know:
Normally the least expected is the one who takes it all (see Bisu vs sAviOr at MSL in BW, Stardust at Dreamhack, Maru at OSL to name a few) therefore I think First will win it all and this would make me a bit upset since I want Jaedong to win so bad. Any combination with JD in the finals is fine to me and may the strongest take the championship!
SC2 skill ceiling definitely hasn't been attained yet, if these finals are anything to work with. It's interesting to see the OSL Koreans not dominating. That said I wasn't surprised to hear that Innovation had lost.
You can call me whatever, that guy is probably overrated. He's very good, don't get me wrong, but he's not as good as people think. He's not the best player in the world, there are too many other players who are showing good results as well.
I don't know how I feel about Bomber being favored to win in terms of Bomber's Law. But I am willing to suspend my belief in it for today and hopefully just enjoy some SC2.
Bomber has been my favorite player since "way back" in 2011. It's been a long road, but I am so happy he finally has won a tournament of this stature. GG Bomber!
So what ever happened to that Day 3 recap? I'm still waiting to hear what the writing team has to say about the whole thing. Been waiting for over a day now yo.
On August 25 2013 22:47 DinosaurPoop wrote: Zealously is a GOD EDIT:
On August 25 2013 14:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First.
Yeah and if anything it should have been a 3-0 Bomber and 3-0 SuperNoVa in OSL, OH WAIT!
???
Supernova lost..?
sarcasm bro, sarcasm. read the quote. "If anything it should have been a 3-0 from First" According to him he should have 3-0'd aLive, which is unlikely considering his record vs Bomber and SuperNoVa So I put "3-0 Bomber and 3-0 SuperNoVa". Then "OH WAIT!" because First never 3-0'd both bomber and supernova, so a 3-0 vs aLive wouldnt be likely