Welcome this month's edition of the top 50 streamers list.
My apologies for being a tad bit late, but I did not have any access to proper internet during the last couple of days. Thankfully this has been redeemed by now, and so here I am, throwing more numbers at you. Huzzah!
For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data (viewers, game, events, etc.) from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (those that you can in the sidebar to your right) and use that data to produce the pretty tables and graphs you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, streams of people playing games of Starcraft 2) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities. So, for instance when CatZ is streaming Dota2, it will not be taken into account.
The data I gather is then turned into the tables you see below. One is sorted by the average viewers, the other is sorted by the average viewers times the hours streamed. The latter table favors those that stream a lot, while the former table favors popular streamers regardless of how much they stream. Either ranking has its advantages and disadvantages, and thus I present both.
For either table, I have a minimum required stream time of 5 hours to be included in the list.
The list
Due to space limitations, I have to shorten the headers and leave some data out of the tables presented here. You can get the full tables from the links below. The headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be thanks to this, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "Viewer diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month.
Also, the HTML version linked beneath the images has some more information that I had to leave out due to space limitation, most notably the featured status of the players.
Now, Without further ado, here's this month's tables:
Congratulations DeMusliM! You finally managed to become #1 in the average viewers category, despite losing some viewers last month. And not only that, you also grabbed first place in the viewers*hours category, too! Nice guys always prevail.
Idra, on the other hand, took a bit of a beating in regards to his average viewership. Just shy of 3000 viewers on average marks the lowest average viewership this year.
Grubby has to be content with the second place. Again. You're not going to be the Stork of streaming, are you?
Also, this marks the first time that the top three streamers on both lists are identical.
Congratulations to Ms.Spyte for getting featured! The numbers clearly support that promotion.
I remain just a teeny bit slightly suspicious that Tasteless does not, in fact, stream any SC2. But the data says that he does, and who am I to not believe one half of the casting archon?
Here's some information on some of the lesser known names in the lists:
Hui:Hui is a Taiwanese player who is mostly playing in the TeSL. His fanbase seems to be found mostly outside of teamliquid and in the Taiwanese community, unsurprisingly.
I still have no way of getting MC's stream numbers, since he is streaming from azubu.tv. He's not listed on teamliquid (see the other thread), and there does not seem to be an API for azubu.tv either, so it's currently not possible to get live viewer data from them. Given the current situation, though, I dare say it's only a matter of time before MC returns to twitch.
Similarly, I do not include Take (from TakeTV fame), even though he does stream himself playing in his become-a-pro series, as he streams from his main account, which is online pretty much 24/7, offering a variety of tournaments and rebroadcasts, and thus ends up in my "casters" category.
Notable absentees this month: Stephano (though he already promised to stream a lot this month), MarineKing, Polt, Sen, DongRaeGu, SaSe, Socke.
If you find any mistakes or errors in the lists, please do let me know, especially concerning team changes or players that you are absolutely sure should be on the lists, but are not.
The big picture
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
Remember that this graph only includes player stream numbers, and does not include caster streams or events. Or, in other words: This is only a fraction of what makes the SC2 community, and no matter how good or bad it looks, it is never a complete picture.
So we have a slight improvement over the plunge of the previous two months. The HotS hype is clearly over, and it looks like we are settling back into pre-HotS numbers. In fact, the numbers are almost identical to those from last year. That's not very bad, but it's nothing to cheer about, either.
Let's see how things develop in the coming months.
WCS
The usual caveat applies: The GSL numbers taken below are solely those from twitch.tv, and do not include people viewing from gomtv.net or numbers from the Korean streams. Nor are there any numbers available from youtube streaming.
Another thing to note is that WCS EU has multiple streams for different languages. I decided to add them all up, since it is unlikely that there are that many people who watched different language streams concurrently. Still, it's entirely possible, and the WCS EU numbers are most likely a bit inflated due to this.
On the other hand, WCS KR has two English language streams, and I only list the stream with the highest average viewership here. This is the reverse of the above situation: The numbers will most likely be artificially deflated because of this, but there's nothing I can do: I do not know how many people had multiple streams open vs. how many people only watched one stream. I can only assume that, with multiple same-language streams showing different games, chances are much higher that more people watched multiple streams.
The WCS numbers look pretty stable overall. It looks like WCS NA is finally catching up on its two siblings, and despite the fact that WCS NA only offered Challenger League and the first round of Premier League, it managed to compete with the last few rounds of the OSL. Not bad. Not bad at all.
Of course, WCS EU steals the show once more, even though the numbers are down slightly from last season. Go EU!
The most interesting numbers are still to come, of course, and we're all dreading them: How many people will stay up to watch three tournament finals in three vastly different time zones? And how will the WCS finals fare against The International? As a fan, I'm pretty scared to find out about those numbers. As a guy who likes to look at numbers, I'm morbidly curious.
We will find out very soon..
Proleague vs. GSTL vs. ATC
As above, take these numbers with a grain of salt:
Both Proleague and GSTL numbers are only taken from twitch.tv.
Proleague also has a Korean stream, as well as a TV audience. Neither is taken into account here.
As already mentioned, GSTL viewers watching from gomtv.net are not taken into account.
In addition, the link to the current GSTL stream on teamliquid.net more often than not leads right to gomtv.net, and not to twitch.tv. When that happens, the numbers don't even take viewers from teamliquid.net into account. That would explain some of the numbers below.
I decided to include the ATC numbers in here from here on, for hopefully obvious reasons. As with WCS EU, I am adding up the different streams for ATC as they are in different languages. Usually, there is always at least an English and a German stream available.
Proleague remains quite inconsistent with its viewership, but the overall numbers are down compared to the previous month. Perhaps it's the lack of EG-TL in the playoffs. The finals managed to get some respectable numbers, but it's clear that WCS gets far more foreign fans to watch on average.
GSTL fared even worse, though when your finals are going head-to-head with Dreamhack, you can't really expect any other result.
So that's all for this month. Hope you guys enjoyed, as always. Any kind of feedback is always welcome!
On August 05 2013 00:55 iNcontroL wrote: I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of that I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!
congrats to demuslim <3
How do you always manage to post in this thread mere minutes after I create it? :D
On August 05 2013 00:58 KnowMe wrote: im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewers thanks for the list tho!
You're in the viewers*hours list at #36. About 300 viewers on average, which isn't quite enough yet to make it into the other list.
The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?
If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit.
On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote: Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[
Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.
On August 05 2013 01:50 avilo wrote: The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?
If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit.
I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.
On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote: Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[
Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.
Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week
On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote: I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.
On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote: Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[
Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.
Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week
On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote: I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.
It's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately
They are kinda boring to watch, but more fun to play with others. That is the key issue, most likely.
On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote: I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.
Feels like Blizzard just took off after HotS, we still haven´t had any major patches after HotS nor any great ideas lately from Blizzard how they want to improve their franchise besides the usual "the winrates are looking good."
For me it feels that just looking forward to new maps every season isn´t interesting enough when it feels like everytime I log in to SC2 that I entered a barren wasteland. Lately watching the pro scene has become dull to me too, even having hard time getting excited for the Starleague finals and this has nothing to do with the final itself, since I´m huge Prime fan and I love to watch Maru play especially when it´s against KeSPA player that I love aswell.
On August 05 2013 01:50 avilo wrote: The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?
If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit.
Not quite.
The average is based on every time you stream, based on 15 minute intervals. So when you do not stream your numbers are not affected at all.
However, the "average" numbers are usually lower than one would expect. You, like every other streamer, starts his stream with 0 viewers, and you (like every other streamer) slowly work yourself to your "actual" average. That is, that steady number of viewers you get eventually and that doesn't change all that much. Let's say that in your case that's about 400. So it feels like your average is 400. Why does the data say the actual average is 300? It's simply because of that early phase when you start streaming, and you have 0 viewers. 15 minutes later you have 30, perhaps. Then 100. Then 150, and so on. All that drags the actual average down.
It might sound kind of unfair, but then again, this is true for every streamer, so everyone has exactly the same disadvantage.
On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote: Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[
Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.
Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week
On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote: I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.
It's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately
there's always doom and gloom in the sc2 community it feels like. 99,9% of the time it's unwarranted though.
on topic: thanks for your work. it's always interesting to read through!
On August 05 2013 03:54 skiersteve wrote: Pretty depressing, even twitch now sc2 is at 6th, behind dota,lol,wow,eve and magic the gathering lmao
While that is true, you also have to look at the actual streams.
Dota is #1 right now because The International, of course. I also get all the Dota streams from teamliquid.net, and what I found was that while the top Dota streamers get way more viewers than the top SC2 streamers, there are also way less Dota streamers out there. If I would do a top 50 Dota streamers list, the #50 player would get maybe 20 viewers on average.
Likewise, the EVE viewer numbers right now are based on a single stream. SC2, on the other hand, is a much more diverse animal in regards to streaming. There are way more streams, and there are way more streams that get a decent viewership compared to all other games (with the exception of LoL, of course).
The WCS graphs for Korea are almost random numbers, if you count only Twitch, because sometimes gomtv.net has more viewers than the Twitch stream. I would also hypothetise that it is difficult to even use it even as a trend indicator - even people who would prefer the OGN casters will sometimes find Twitch stream useless and will look for alternatives, so as long as there is any alternative stream to switch to, any Twitch-based statistics is, more "how much did Twitch break today" than anything else.
PL finals delivers! And glad to see OSL going strong. Sometimes you get the impression people think these new EU/AM leagues are more important but the numbers assure you Korea is still the best.
On August 05 2013 04:33 opisska wrote: The WCS graphs for Korea are almost random numbers, if you count only Twitch, because sometimes gomtv.net has more viewers than the Twitch stream. I would also hypothetise that it is difficult to even use it even as a trend indicator - even people who would prefer the OGN casters will sometimes find Twitch stream useless and will look for alternatives, so as long as there is any alternative stream to switch to, any Twitch-based statistics is, more "how much did Twitch break today" than anything else.
Mostly yes. For the most part, it is not an answer to the question of "How many people watch WCS KR?", but "How many foreigners watch WCS KR?", and that only works when you compare those numbers to previous WCS KR numbers, instead of looking at them as absolute numbers. That's why my disclaimer about those numbers is so large.
Again and again thanks for your work and again I must tell you that only the V*H one is important
Say Innovation starts streaming for 5 hours in a day, gets 20k viewers and then doesn't stream at all. Continues this process all months, so he'll always be there #1 on the list, but I still wouldn't consider him worthy.
You should make a top 100 V*H and and provide a top 50 only for viewers just for the averages, perhaps just give the link to the html page or something. I, personally, and don't take this as something I urge you to do (O_o), think only V*H is important.
Artosis is sponsored by TT esports, but I don't know if that really matters (prob to HIM!). Congrats to MsSpyte! I just recently started watching. She definitely deserves her featured spot. Congrats DeMusliM. Lots of hard work, there, too!!!
On August 05 2013 05:04 tritonice wrote: Artosis is sponsored by TT esports, but I don't know if that really matters (prob to HIM!). Congrats to MsSpyte! I just recently started watching. She definitely deserves her featured spot. Congrats DeMusliM. Lots of hard work, there, too!!!
Maybe a "quality poster" star for our OP, TL?
I think it matters for his stream, he always mentions them on stream and says they are the reason he can play and stream so much.
If someone (not me I have things to do) were to do a meta-analysis of the SC2 stream #s graphs, I wonder what kind of trend they would find? Would it be the beginning of the end of the well-oiled machinery that is eSportS?
On August 05 2013 05:04 tritonice wrote: Artosis is sponsored by TT esports, but I don't know if that really matters (prob to HIM!). Congrats to MsSpyte! I just recently started watching. She definitely deserves her featured spot. Congrats DeMusliM. Lots of hard work, there, too!!!
Maybe a "quality poster" star for our OP, TL?
I think it matters for his stream, he always mentions them on stream and says they are the reason he can play and stream so much.
I'll happily change it to TT esports if that's what Artosis would prefer. For now I'm holding off because I'm a silly person, and I like The Casting Archon team.
On August 05 2013 00:55 iNcontroL wrote: I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of that I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!
On August 05 2013 01:50 avilo wrote: The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?
If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit.
Not quite.
The average is based on every time you stream, based on 15 minute intervals. So when you do not stream your numbers are not affected at all.
However, the "average" numbers are usually lower than one would expect. You, like every other streamer, starts his stream with 0 viewers, and you (like every other streamer) slowly work yourself to your "actual" average. That is, that steady number of viewers you get eventually and that doesn't change all that much. Let's say that in your case that's about 400. So it feels like your average is 400. Why does the data say the actual average is 300? It's simply because of that early phase when you start streaming, and you have 0 viewers. 15 minutes later you have 30, perhaps. Then 100. Then 150, and so on. All that drags the actual average down.
It might sound kind of unfair, but then again, this is true for every streamer, so everyone has exactly the same disadvantage.
Had the impressions that like 50% of the viewership of SC2 comes from Europe.. Wasn't wrong as much lol.. But yah - WCS EU kicked some serious ass.. WCS KR was streamed at bad hours (at least for me) - while at work..
Also - not surprised to see MsSpyte in the top20, fell in love with that girl the first time tuned in, and she also interacts with (as long as the chat makes sense) the viewers..
I streamed 20hours more and went down 1 rank D: So hard to compete with progamers and people that get featured on the twitch front page like incontrol/myspyte. Props to them tho for entertaining that audience. Thanks Conti for this thread as always <3
On August 05 2013 04:44 neptunusfisk wrote: PL finals delivers! And glad to see OSL going strong. Sometimes you get the impression people think these new EU/AM leagues are more important but the numbers assure you Korea is still the best.
?? Don't get what are you bragging about OSL is behind WCS EU by a lot in viewers, and around the same numbers of WCS AM, or slightly ahead (looking only to this thread numbers)
People should remember, before saying SC2 is dead (again, omfg) based on personal stream views - there are more events in Starcraft then other e-sports. Basically, there is always SOME event to watch, while that is not completely true for LoL or DotA, so they watch personal streams more.
even though the stream viewers are back to as in wol i think it says a lot because of how many wcs/proleauge stuff is constantly overlapping with people streaming. i was expecting viewer numbers to drop much more than this once wcs kicked off
On August 05 2013 07:42 sc14s wrote: i don't really get how this is news worthy, it seems more like an article than news, just sayin.
What I don't get is how you can get to 3000 message and still complain about people give their time to the community. Did you spend all your time in the fitness and health forum ?
On August 05 2013 04:44 neptunusfisk wrote: PL finals delivers! And glad to see OSL going strong. Sometimes you get the impression people think these new EU/AM leagues are more important but the numbers assure you Korea is still the best.
?? Don't get what are you bragging about OSL is behind WCS EU by a lot in viewers, and around the same numbers of WCS AM, or slightly ahead (looking only to this thread numbers)
The thing with the WCS numbers is (some of this is pointed out by the OP) EU streams at a "good" time, Korea streams at a "bad" time, this means there's tons more people watching VODs for KR than EU/AM. Looking at the VOD numbers there's a HUGE difference between who watched VODs, Inno v Maru has 15k VOD views on the OSL Twitch channel and 35k on the GOM site, whereas EU VODs are getting ~3k views.
Even just picking a random Ro32 group on GOM's site since WCS EU hasn't even got to Ro16 yet shows 50k views (GOM only, cba checking twitch for the OSL numbers) for the group.
Oh, it seems I just happened to pick the most popular Ro32 group :D. The GOM Ro32 groups range from 15k to 50k views, with low 20s probably about average.
Then that doesn't count the viewers that watched only the OSL cast (im assuming that's the one that wasn't included sicne it was always the lowest when I checked) and those that watched on GOM's site (because Twitch is terrible :D).
On August 05 2013 06:50 Ammanas wrote: People should remember, before saying SC2 is dead (again, omfg) based on personal stream views - there are more events in Starcraft then other e-sports. Basically, there is always SOME event to watch, while that is not completely true for LoL or DotA, so they watch personal streams more.
I don't watch personal streams at all, I find them boring personally, the only SC2 I watch is tournaments.
On August 05 2013 00:55 iNcontroL wrote: I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of that I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!
congrats to demuslim <3
how the hell do you manage to always be the first poster in these threads
On August 05 2013 00:55 iNcontroL wrote: I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of that I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!
congrats to demuslim <3
how the hell do you manage to always be the first poster in these threads
It´s easy, he refreshes TL every 2 seconds to see if a new thread is up!. !
On August 05 2013 09:13 Billinator wrote: Kind of sad when you realize DeMuslim and grubby are the only ones that have successful streams
I guess it depends on what numbers you say are successful, but i will agree they have "consistency" with viewer numbers. I would say dragon and select also get good consistent numbers also.
On August 05 2013 08:49 DnCL wrote: I play more LoL, but watch only SC2. I don't even understand why one would watch LoL when compared to the excitement that great SC2 players bring
You know I used to be like that also, but then you start to see the details of the whole gameplay, and you start to care for a X and Y teams.
C9 team in LCS NA, or Korean teams on OGN really have a strong teamwork play that are worth watching.
Has Demuslim started streaming during different hours or something? I usually tune into his stream for a little while most days but I haven't noticed it much this past month.
I wonder if these viewer stats reflect if new people try out SC2 or not. Judging by the stats HOTS haven't done much at all for streamers the total amount of SC2 stream watchers. It's depressing if you compare it to the other games around that have gown up a lot.
On August 05 2013 14:19 Tobblish wrote: I wonder if these viewer stats reflect if new people try out SC2 or not. Judging by the stats HOTS haven't done much at all for streamers the total amount of SC2 stream watchers. It's depressing if you compare it to the other games around that have gown up a lot.
Starcraft is still the only premier esport with a pay gate which means the community is impossible to expand much past where we are.
At least that's what I tell myself to feel better about the situation anyway.
On August 05 2013 14:19 Tobblish wrote: I wonder if these viewer stats reflect if new people try out SC2 or not. Judging by the stats HOTS haven't done much at all for streamers the total amount of SC2 stream watchers. It's depressing if you compare it to the other games around that have gown up a lot.
Starcraft is still the only premier esport with a pay gate which means the community is impossible to expand much past where we are.
At least that's what I tell myself to feel better about the situation anyway.
Yeah well, 2010 Starcraft 2 was packed with people. My FB friends kept adding me.. people I haven't talked to in years. I remember asking them how to make a chatroom, and no one knew.
All of these people left very quickly. Now I do know some people play games for a very short period, but I don't see SC2 being attracting to anyone new anymore. Blizzard always gets a free ride on their games and they have a big tendancy now to screw it up ( see D3).
The "they are free to play" excuse is bad too. Almost all of the Udyr ( a champion in LoL) I see on ranked solo queue have a 30$ new skin.
Looking at this list I'm proud that I've done Logos for a couple of the top streamers, done overlays for team liquid streamers, and worked with Tastosis way back in the day. Makes me feel a little more accomplished as I continue to hone my graphical skills. Also, makes me feel very gracious to have gotten to work so many very cool people. Thanks Starcraft community for being awesome!
On August 05 2013 16:04 Patate wrote: The "they are free to play" excuse is bad too. Almost all of the Udyr ( a champion in LoL) I see on ranked solo queue have a 30$ new skin.
There is a massive difference between buying a skin for a f2p game that you have become invested in and paying $60+ up front for a game that you have not played before. Just because LoL players also spend money it does not take away from the fact that a f2p game will always attract a lot more players.
Can people in this community PLEASE stop being so doom and gloom all the time. Honestly, I barely even read teamliquid anymore because people's constant insecurities and posting of depressing shit. If you like watching sc2 and want higher viewer numbers you should do something about it yourself instead of finding various reasons or things to blame. Whenever a tournament is on I know I always make sure to tell all my friends to watch it. I've convinced at least 4 people to buy GSL subscriptions this way. If everyone that currently watches brings 5 others into watching guess what game would be the most watched right now?
I personally like Starcraft 2 because of its extremely high skill level and the players, but I have been watching Dota streams a lot lately. To me, SC2 can get boring unless it is the GSL
It would be nice to see SC2 become a team sport as well (BW did it for some time before it got banned) to add a bit more flavor to the game.
Also, other games such as Dota and LoL at least have a variety of heroes/champions while SC2 is limited to a number of build orders which can make the game stale time to time. WCS Korea is the only place where we see new strategies because of its preparation based format.
On August 05 2013 12:15 desRow wrote: Where's painuser on the 2nd list ? That's odd
Hmm, I have him in the casters category, so he wouldn't appear in the lists. For the last month I see no events under his stream account, however.
Either way, for last month he had an average of 265 viewers, with a peak of 1127. His V*H score is 105403, which would have gotten him #13, one place above you.
According to my data, his stream was on for 397 hours last month. Holy.. o.O
Anyhow, can anyone confirm if he uses his stream to commentate games, or does he only play these days?
On August 05 2013 12:15 desRow wrote: Where's painuser on the 2nd list ? That's odd
Hmm, I have him in the casters category, so he wouldn't appear in the lists. For the last month I see no events under his stream account, however.
Either way, for last month he had an average of 265 viewers, with a peak of 1127. His V*H score is 105403, which would have gotten him #13, one place above you.
According to my data, his stream was on for 397 hours last month. Holy.. o.O
Anyhow, can anyone confirm if he uses his stream to commentate games, or does he only play these days?
he actually only plays games stopt casting when ipl went broke
How is Painuser not on this list? I think he streams more than any other SC2 player. And thank you as always, this list has some pretty interesting data every month.
On August 05 2013 21:40 lynchkin wrote: So what does the second table really imply? Im not sure what I can learn from number of viewers multiplied by total hours of streaming
At least it implies steady interest of viewers. And propably correlates well with ad revenue -> money made streaming.
On August 05 2013 22:36 djWHEAT wrote: How is Painuser not on this list? I think he streams more than any other SC2 player. And thank you as always, this list has some pretty interesting data every month.
EDIT: Looks like desRow asked the same question.
And I answered it, too. I have him as a caster in my DB, though it looks like he's not really doing any casting anymore (at least from his stream account). I'm strongly considering putting him in the player category. He'd be at #13 in the V*H category if he were in the player category.
I am shocked about the list, is Demuslim that good on his stream? I never really liked him at all, and didn't think his level was high like... for example IdrA Well, interesting thread, will need to check for Demuslim maybe someday.
On August 05 2013 00:55 iNcontroL wrote: I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of that I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!
congrats to demuslim <3
People were going nuts over IdrA's casting this weekend. Any chance of an iNcontroL/IdrA casting duo? For old time's sake?
Further, any thoughts on picking him back up in his new role/persona?
On August 05 2013 18:23 AxionSteel wrote: I had noticed a big drop off lately, this confirms my fears
Though it would be nice to know what the graph really means, how many total viewers for SC2 do we have?
There were so many exceptions: doesn't include YouTube, Azubu, or gom players, etc., that hard numbers may not really be what we want to see anyway. This data is better used to express trends and ratios than hard viewers.
On August 05 2013 12:15 desRow wrote: Where's painuser on the 2nd list ? That's odd
Hmm, I have him in the casters category, so he wouldn't appear in the lists. For the last month I see no events under his stream account, however.
Either way, for last month he had an average of 265 viewers, with a peak of 1127. His V*H score is 105403, which would have gotten him #13, one place above you.
According to my data, his stream was on for 397 hours last month. Holy.. o.O
Anyhow, can anyone confirm if he uses his stream to commentate games, or does he only play these days?
On August 05 2013 22:36 djWHEAT wrote: How is Painuser not on this list? I think he streams more than any other SC2 player. And thank you as always, this list has some pretty interesting data every month.
EDIT: Looks like desRow asked the same question.
And I answered it, too. I have him as a caster in my DB, though it looks like he's not really doing any casting anymore (at least from his stream account). I'm strongly considering putting him in the player category. He'd be at #13 in the V*H category if he were in the player category.
Saw that
I think it would make sense considering all he does these days is play.
On August 05 2013 22:36 djWHEAT wrote: How is Painuser not on this list? I think he streams more than any other SC2 player. And thank you as always, this list has some pretty interesting data every month.
EDIT: Looks like desRow asked the same question.
And I answered it, too. I have him as a caster in my DB, though it looks like he's not really doing any casting anymore (at least from his stream account). I'm strongly considering putting him in the player category. He'd be at #13 in the V*H category if he were in the player category.
nooooooooooooooooooo my #13 rank D: haha it's okay 400 hours holy crap does he actually have time to eat ?
On August 05 2013 22:36 djWHEAT wrote: How is Painuser not on this list? I think he streams more than any other SC2 player. And thank you as always, this list has some pretty interesting data every month.
EDIT: Looks like desRow asked the same question.
And I answered it, too. I have him as a caster in my DB, though it looks like he's not really doing any casting anymore (at least from his stream account). I'm strongly considering putting him in the player category. He'd be at #13 in the V*H category if he were in the player category.
Saw that
I think it would make sense considering all he does these days is play.
Alright. PainUser is in the player category now, and will appear in the list from now on.
Thanks for pointing this out! (And thanks to desRow and matthy, too!)
On August 05 2013 07:42 sc14s wrote: i don't really get how this is news worthy, it seems more like an article than news, just sayin.
What I don't get is how you can get to 3000 message and still complain about people give their time to the community. Did you spend all your time in the fitness and health forum ?
I'm not complaining that he gave his time to the community i am saying its placed kinda weirdly is all.. no need to get into insulting shenanigans..
First one of these I've come across. Some really interesting statistics, thank you for that! Was surprised to see TLO so "low"on the lists. Being one of the absolute premier zergs of EU, you'd think he'd have more viewers... Part of the explanation is the relatively low amount of stream hours of course, but I wonder if he'd do better if he'd commentate more. Although I guess the quality of practice is the no 1 priority for him, and I think that would definitely suffer if he started commentating a lot.
EPT
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Hui:Hui is a Taiwanese player who is mostly playing in the TeSL. His fanbase seems to be found mostly outside of teamliquid and in the Taiwanese community, unsurprisingly.
KingCobra: He's a Russian streamer, mostly playing daily and weekly cups.![[image loading]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8028950/TL/Monthly%20viewers%202013%2007.png)
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