I haven't met a Zerg who didn't say ZvT at the end of wings wasn't an abomination. So they gain some points from that admission.

With HOTS tho, Zerg players bm and balance whine at me the most. Terrans second (hellbats tvt). And I never beat Protoss (14% this season vs P, 80% vs Z) so wouldn't know if they complain about T.

Reaper9

United States1724 Posts

July 09 2013 01:29 GMT

#25

Since Broodwar when I joined the flock in 2009, my strongest impression is Zerg, on all accounts. Starcraft two: Zerg XD. The Protoss seems like the type that opens their mouth quietly to protest, and then realize they have no mouths :< . Although the bunker debacle seemed to make the Terran crowd more feisty hahaha. Oh right, and the brood-infes combo, stuff of nightmares man.

Edit
A breakdown of MY impressions :D, I am not a very well informed player, just having fun with this, and this only covers complaints not praise for any matchup.
BroodWar: ZVT- Drops IMBA Nerf this shi yo
ZVZ- OMG RUSH TO MUTAS NOOOOOO I HATE YOU MATCHUP
ZVP- Erm not a huge impression actually, always seemed fun in my eyes

TVT a few people- OMG no MORE TURTLE CHEDDAR TERRAN AGAIN!
TVZ- too busy countering the Zerg to complain :o
TVP- Balance God, or so they say

PvP- Always seemed fun in my eyes :o although its dragoon into reaver... don't see as much complaints though
PVT- Balance God, or so they say
PVZ- Again, not a huge impression
Overall weakest race though as an impression in proleague

Overall and most relevant: Damn this map, it was clearly the map's fault, it gives <insert race> a clear advantage!

SCII
ZVZ- wellll wellllllll roacchessssss againnnnnnn? With a touch of banelings?
ZVT- MY GOD MY MINERAL LINE YOU BASTARDS- KFZ (KFC) AGAIN, DROPS IMBA
ZVP- THE Skies gone dark. BROOD MOTHER, HALPPPP.

TVT- MY GOD MY MINERAL LINE YOU BASTARDS.
TVZ- The SKY. ITS MOVING. RUN JIMMY! What?! you say the grounds shaking?! OMG ASDADHa- all hail the swarrmrmmmm
TVP- THE Skies gone dark. SEND FOR BACKUP.

PVP- um i'm not well versed in this

I don't watch scII as much as broodwar :<
PVT- MY GOD MY MINERAL LINE NERF DROPS GODDAM STIM
PVZ- I'm not well versed in this

Salv

Canada3083 Posts

July 09 2013 01:29 GMT

#26

I think part of it is that the foreign professional Zerg players are more outspoken about balance than the Terran or Protoss professionals, in my opinion. To a lot of Zerg players Idra and Artosis were the most outspoken balance professionals and they both played Zerg - this had led, to some extent, to Zerg being a race where balance is a very common topic.

mango_destroyer

Canada3914 Posts

July 09 2013 01:46 GMT

#27

I am a zerg, but I usually get so annoyed always seeing zergs whining. Seems most prevalent compared to other races over the 3 years. Maybe it is just Idra in the earlier days rubbing off on these players :p

jj33

802 Posts

July 09 2013 02:05 GMT

#28

nobody whines more than protoss players. even the myth that protoss is weak is annoying.

protoss is just a low skill capped race.

IcedBacon

Canada906 Posts

July 09 2013 02:08 GMT

#29

Polls are going to be heavily skewed because at different points throughout SC2's history Zerg had very valid reasons to complain about balance. The other races were never in as bad positions as Zerg has been.

Cereb

Denmark3388 Posts

July 09 2013 02:09 GMT

#30

For the longest time in the beginning of WoL it was definitely zerg but after the infestor buff and the removal of close spawn into the late WoL and even now it's mostly evened out. It feels like Terrans are the most vocal on the forum but the generic baseless complaints are usually aimed towards terran so I guess they are just balancing it out by sticking up for themselves ;>

It's almost as if they feel they have to defend themselves because they experienced what it was like having their toys taken away from them in WoL as people complained about them. They aren't ready to make that same mistake of being nice on the forum so now they have taken up their arms as well :p

Ironically I feel quite certain that Protoss players are the guys who complain the least and yet they seem to be the one race who actually have some valid things to complain about... I guess they realise how annoying their race can be so they are just happy to get through the day without too many players yelling at them, hehe.

So it seem that Zerg complaining -> Zerg became stronger in mid/late WoL
Terrans complaining -> Terran became stronger in HotS
Protoss not complaining -> No improvements to Protoss.

So I guess the lesson is the more your race whines the more likely it is to become successful - Thanks balance team! ^_^

zhurai

United States5660 Posts

July 09 2013 02:10 GMT

#31

heavily skewed towards zerg... probably because of their role models :p

SuperYo1000

United States880 Posts

July 09 2013 02:14 GMT

#32

On July 09 2013 10:19 Erik.TheRed wrote:

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nah, we've just come to accept that blizzard hates us so we don't complain about it anymore

BROtoss never complain, we just find new ways in make zerg cry imba

Assirra

Belgium4169 Posts

July 09 2013 02:19 GMT

#33

On July 09 2013 11:14 SuperYo1000 wrote:

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BROtoss never complain, we just find new ways in make zerg cry imba

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497
You were saying?

Cereb

Denmark3388 Posts

July 09 2013 02:24 GMT

#34

On July 09 2013 11:19 Assirra wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497
You were saying?

lol! I totally forgot about that!

I remember even the frontpage on TL were on board with this

WombaT

Northern Ireland26759 Posts

July 09 2013 02:30 GMT

#35

To be fair those were horrific times for us in GSL haha

Erik.TheRed

United States1655 Posts

July 09 2013 02:38 GMT

#36

On July 09 2013 11:19 Assirra wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497
You were saying?

there's a difference between complaining and lamenting.

HighPassage

United States82 Posts

July 09 2013 02:40 GMT

#37

thought this was going to be a starcraft 2 parody of the justin timberlake song when I saw this topic on the sidebar

Pursuit_

United States1330 Posts

July 09 2013 02:41 GMT

#38

As a Terran player, I think historically Z and P have complained the most simply because a majority of the time T has been doing well. The only time I remember Terran's as a whole complaining was about TvZ when win rates were 35% in favor of Z starting around 2 months after the queen buff until the end of WoL, or the occassional complaints about late game TvP being so much harder for Terran but not unwinnable. Zerg I think is the race that has complained the most when they were actually doing fine, although a lot of this is probably just my perception because Zerg tends to get the most famous bm players / balance whiners. Protoss is the race that probably deserves to have balance whined the most.

forsooth

United States3648 Posts

July 09 2013 02:45 GMT

#39

Here on TL it always seemed to vary based on which race was doing well. Early on in WoL there were enough Zerg tears to fill an ocean, then later we had the Sad Zealot thing when Protoss was dying to 1/1/1 all the time, and then Terran got up in arms after the queen patch broke the game in May last year.

Overall though I'd say the most knee-jerk whining has occurred whenever Terran looks good, particularly from Zerg players. Maybe 50 damage tanks on Steppes gave them all PTSD or something.

On b.net though it's no contest, I experience and always have experienced whining from Zerg players far more often than the other two races.

Assirra

Belgium4169 Posts

July 09 2013 02:46 GMT

#40

On July 09 2013 11:38 Erik.TheRed wrote:

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there's a difference between complaining and lamenting.

You must have missed the point when 1/1/1 was called unbeatable in PvT and everytime it showed otherwise people made excuses that i wasn't executed right.
Protoss got their own set of whiners.