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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On July 10 2013 01:19 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Apparently, terrans (and only terrans) can't spell Random. You never heard of the secret randam race? Very quiet, never complain about balance, choose only to play vs. terran on ladder, belgian roots (rumours have it that they are directly related to the vandammes: The Vandammes) | ||
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targ
Malaysia445 Posts
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LoveTool
Sweden143 Posts
It is also justified.  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
We need a direct nerf to Innovation's account and a direct buff to my zerg play. I should get free queens and be able to shift spread my creep across the map. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On July 10 2013 01:10 NEEDZMOAR wrote: "Im a: Zerg 220 votes" I play Z and I think following race expresses its complaints the most: 340 votes. Okay community, okay. This pretty much. The numbers so don't match up it's not even funny. And that's why you can't have proper balance discussions. But then again, this is not really a thread about balance, is it? | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On July 10 2013 01:59 schimmetje wrote: This pretty much. The numbers so don't match up it's not even funny. And that's why you can't have proper balance discussions. But then again, this is not really a thread about balance, is it? There is the same discrepancy for all three races where the numbers don't match up. So basically a group of people are just filling in all the polls and picking zerg. | ||
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On July 10 2013 01:59 schimmetje wrote: This pretty much. The numbers so don't match up it's not even funny. And that's why you can't have proper balance discussions. But then again, this is not really a thread about balance, is it? The last 4 polls are very flawed your are right, but the first and second are definitely usable and by that I mean that they can be carefully interpreted. And yes this thread is not about balance it's about peoples subjective perception of which race is and has been most unsatisfied with the balance of the game. It says absolutely nothing about if the game is/was balanced unbalanced or whatever, and nobody in their right mind would deduct from this polls if the game is/was balanced or not. Is this so hard to understand? | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On July 10 2013 01:45 dr.fahrenheit wrote: You never heard of the secret randam race? Very quiet, never complain about balance, choose only to play vs. terran on ladder, belgian roots (rumours have it that they are directly related to the vandammes: The Vandammes) I thought of him too. :D Nice response overall too!  | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On July 10 2013 02:21 dr.fahrenheit wrote: The last 4 polls are very flawed your are right, but the first and second are difinetely usable and by that I mean that they can be carefully interpreted. And yes this thread is not about balance it's about peoples subjective perception of which race is and has been most unsatisfied with the balance of the game. It says absolutely nothing about if the game is/was balanced unbalanced or whatever, and nobody in their right mind would deduct from this polls if the game is/was balanced or not. Is this so hard to understand? Yeah, we can just cherrypick I guess. And I understand it fine. It just means there's nothing to be taken from this thread. Well. Nothing positive anyway. I know, it's shocking. | ||
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On July 10 2013 02:34 schimmetje wrote: Yeah, we can just cherrypick I guess. And I understand it fine. It just means there's nothing to be taken from this thread. Well. Nothing positive anyway. I know, it's shocking. That has absolutely nothing to do with cherrypicking... Some things work out and are useful, other things don't work out and are useless. (If one thing is useless it doesn't mean that automatically all other things are useless too, just because they can be found a few lines further up... doesn't make sense) I really think there are some things which can be taken from this thread, I will try to write them down later when I have time, if you are interested. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
Terran players appear (on the surface at least) to cope with metagame changes in positive manner. Of course barbs are traded with regards to balance but in general they come up with new strategies to counterbalance nerfs. As far as I know, Terrans moved on from 5 Rax Reaper, to 2 Rax Bunker, to BFH drops, to Ghost snipe endgame, hellion contains (pre queen buff), to hellion-banshee expands (MVP), to modern end-of-WoL styles (Innovation). Along the way, interesting ideas opened up to the average player as well, including the iEchoic 4 CC massive bio push style, or some funky thor drops. Zerg players on the other hand have seldom came up with solutions to supposed problems. Some of the more memorable ideas were DRG's fast ultralisk endgame (sometimes good, other times failed hard), Stephano roach style and yeah...not much else other than all-ins. Infestor BL didn't happen only because someone figured out that long range perma root and a horde of free units were imba, it happened because of infestor buffs. Their solution to hellion pressure was not to make roaches or static D, but to somehow suggest that queens were underpowered vs hellions (???) which made it impossible to harass Zerg directly before drop tech. In short they complain loudly and their complaints were heard. I think Protoss players are seldom in the spotlight. That doesn't mean they whine any less, but generally tweaks did not impact the core style of their gameplay. We have also seen some great ideas such as the soul train and deadly +1 gateway phoenix play. When I play Protoss, my balance concerns are usually practical, (eg. I think Protoss scouting is a little weak pre-robo, or distance from nat to 3rd is a little far). Instead of alleging that my enemy's composition is incredibly overpowered and impossible to beat without stars aligning. | ||
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Bahajinbo
Germany488 Posts
I don't know why Zerg players cry that much when I play ladder, statistically. Some Terrans also balance flame here and there, but most of them are fair and type "gg" or "gg wp". Can't say too much about Protoss, PvP is a mirror matchup and well - there is no reason to balance flame there. :D | ||
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FacuCbaARG
Argentina9 Posts
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On July 10 2013 04:00 FacuCbaARG wrote: I just wanted to say that results of a poll should/are never given before hand. This gravely (in my opinion) affects the "subjective impression" that you may have BEFORE actually seeing the results on the very first post. You are absolutely right, sadly I don't know how to do this here or if it's even possible  | ||
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
Zergs are the saltiest nerds. Randomers don't whine. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
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Defenestrator
400 Posts
On July 09 2013 13:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote: It makes sense for zerg to feel the most victimized tho, its a reactionary race that relies on fast expanding 100% of the time, and the other races (well, terrans anyway) gameplan revolves around fucking with their shit constantly... Zerg players who arent constantly annoyed are either really good or masochists most likely! This, a million times. Others have said similar things, but any Z player knows this to be the case. I lost to a player 2-3 leagues below me who did a 1-base BC allin because I was a little off in my scout timing. Stupid loss? Of course. My fault? Of course. Frustrating when it was 3base to 1? Yup. But I GG'd him with a smiley face since it was a cute strat. When you lose TO Z, you typically lose to someone who has a better eco and unit comp than you do; it *feels* like he was ahead of you the whole game, even if this isn't necessarily true. When you lose AS Z, it is the opposite; many times you feel ahead of your opponent in eco, and you throw waves of units at some unkillable army, losing 3x the resources as him. This is why it is so frustrating, and why the QQ is more. Not justifying it, but just sayin'. Oh, and because we have Idra. | ||
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CuteZergling
641 Posts
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On July 10 2013 06:56 Defenestrator wrote: This, a million times. Others have said similar things, but any Z player knows this to be the case. I lost to a player 2-3 leagues below me who did a 1-base BC allin because I was a little off in my scout timing. Stupid loss? Of course. My fault? Of course. Frustrating when it was 3base to 1? Yup. But I GG'd him with a smiley face since it was a cute strat. When you lose TO Z, you typically lose to someone who has a better eco and unit comp than you do; it *feels* like he was ahead of you the whole game, even if this isn't necessarily true. When you lose AS Z, it is the opposite; many times you feel ahead of your opponent in eco, and you throw waves of units at some unkillable army, losing 3x the resources as him. This is why it is so frustrating, and why the QQ is more. Not justifying it, but just sayin'. Oh, and because we have Idra. LOL. | ||
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