Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
Head Coach of Team Azubu "Lim Sungchoon" showed his frustration saying "I never heard about it", "We never got this info, I will have to check".
Those who have been following up with Esports contributor: Azuwho? thread would know that Azubu doesn't really have German HQ, and Azubu was run by Korean Office only. In fact, Azubu is just Korean company registered in Germany. They said they will continue to support Team Azubu, but for how long? 1 day notice to employees for disbanding the company? you gotta be kidding me..
Not surprised. AZUBU sorta had it coming with the scandal. However, isn't Azubu Germany (HQ) involved as well? Or was it just Korea? The OP seems to make it sound like just Azubu Korea was involved...
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
On June 28 2013 11:06 geokilla wrote: Not surprised. AZUBU sorta had it coming with the scandal. However, isn't Azubu Germany (HQ) involved as well? Or was it just Korea? The OP seems to make it sound like just Azubu Korea was involved...
can you tell me about the scandal? I never knew about it.
Im still mostly worried about the CSL and the prize money from Azubu who sponsored that event... I have friends who still wait for their money! When that Azubuwho thread on TL first popped up that was the first thing that popped into my mind.
On June 28 2013 11:06 geokilla wrote: Not surprised. AZUBU sorta had it coming with the scandal. However, isn't Azubu Germany (HQ) involved as well? Or was it just Korea? The OP seems to make it sound like just Azubu Korea was involved...
can you tell me about the scandal? I never knew about it.
Azubu was found to be run by financial criminals and is probably a money laundering scheme or a scam.
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
You know how TLers don't properly read threads.
Because a company that is going under and firing all it's staff can viably fund a team. I read the OP I just don't buy that Azubu can still manage to support the team like they say they will
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
Read the italic paragraph. It's not even sure that the German HQ exists.
On June 28 2013 11:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: wait so the team is gone? As in Supernova, Symbol, Violet etc are free? As in they're no longer in GSTL? No more smiley coach? No more "zuuubuuu!"?
man...
this sucks. I liked the team from the start, they were like neo-oGs
The team is NOT gone. However, knowing that Azubu's real HQ used to be Korean branch and German HQ was just fake stuff, it's only matter of time before something actually happens to the team itself...
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
You know how TLers don't properly read threads.
Because a company that is going under and firing all it's staff can viably fund a team. I read the OP I just don't buy that Azubu can still manage to support the team like they say they will
^This. If I were the Azubu players, I would start shopping around immediately.
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
You know how TLers don't properly read threads.
"Those who have been following up with Esports contributor: Azuwho? thread would know that Azubu doesn't really have German HQ, and Azubu was run by Korean Office only. In fact, Azubu is just Korean company registered in Germany. They said they will continue to support Team Azubu, but for how long? 1 day notice to employees for disbanding the company? you gotta be kidding me.."
Yeah you are right TL'ers don't properly read threads.....
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
You know how TLers don't properly read threads.
Because a company that is going under and firing all it's staff can viably fund a team. I read the OP I just don't buy that Azubu can still manage to support the team like they say they will
As long as the team has other sponsors they might "survive" if they meet the bare minimum (pay the rent, food and travel cost) ... which wont be for long unless they get some new cash. As a sponsor I would get out ASAP though.
On June 28 2013 11:09 mnck wrote: Im still mostly worried about the CSL and the prize money from Azubu who sponsored that event... I have friends who still wait for their money! When that Azubuwho thread on TL first popped up that was the first thing that popped into my mind.
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Germany employees and close down Azubu Germany by June 29. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by Korean HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Germany was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
Head Coach of Team Azubu "Lim Sungchoon" showed his frustration saying "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength".
SuperNova just got out of a group of death quite handily, someone needs to pick him up. Symbol and Sleep would be good pick ups too since they are already in the league.
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
You know how TLers don't properly read threads.
Because a company that is going under and firing all it's staff can viably fund a team. I read the OP I just don't buy that Azubu can still manage to support the team like they say they will
As long as the team has other sponsors they might "survive" if they meet the bare minimum (pay the rent, food and travel cost) ... which wont be for long unless they get some new cash. As a sponsor I would get out ASAP though.
Rent/Food/Travel still add up to a considerable amount of budget. Also, hardly any of the players will want to stay without salary. I think their SC2 team will probably disband soon.
On June 28 2013 11:22 Fionn wrote: And thus began eSF Team 8
The duality between GSTL and SPL is neat. 8 teams each, with one team being a partnership between foreign owned organizations (Axiom-Acer/EG-TL) and another (in eSF's case potentially) lacking sponsorship (AZUBU/Team 8).
Just for the fun of it I might even check up on that Clauf office address over the next few days ... to see if there is a nameplate to be found somewhere and so on. The pitiful attempt at a webpage really makes it seem like a waste of time 99,9999% though.
On June 28 2013 11:22 Fionn wrote: And thus began eSF Team 8
The duality between GSTL and SPL is neat. 8 teams each, with one team being a partnership between foreign owned organizations (Axiom-Acer/EG-TL) and another (in eSF's case potentially) lacking sponsorship (AZUBU/Team 8).
I said it first but everyone quotes Fionn this is bullshit
I change my mind, I hope ZooZoo Bubble sponsors them
I fail to understand how a team that doesn't have any income, participate in leagues like GSTL. More importantly, how do they have a team house in Korea at all + bills + food + players. Rly , these guys should teach me some sorcery
On June 28 2013 11:22 Fionn wrote: And thus began eSF Team 8
The duality between GSTL and SPL is neat. 8 teams each, with one team being a partnership between foreign owned organizations (Axiom-Acer/EG-TL) and another (in eSF's case potentially) lacking sponsorship (AZUBU/Team 8).
I said it first but everyone quotes Fionn this is bullshit
I change my mind, I hope ZooZoo Bubble sponsors them
ZOOZOOSYMBOL
ZOOZOOSUPERNOVA
ZOOZOOVIOLET
Rofl ... their team outfits are going to be outrageous (and even more funny than Apollo as pink Pikachu).
On June 28 2013 11:22 Fionn wrote: And thus began eSF Team 8
We shall call them Team 7.
Team H would fit better.
Or maybe I've just read too much terrible Bleach and want to go from numbers to letters, like Kubo.
because when I google 'team 8' the first result is some naruto crap anyway. Why not make it any more annoying for SC2 by throwing in bleach results when you google too?
This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
On June 28 2013 11:48 Rampager wrote: This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
Yeah ... who needs soap operas when you can have the real deal?
Not surprising, and I wouldn't be shocked if the team got disbanded too.
The Korean scene is running 2 different leagues with both having their own teams and players when the viewership can barely support one. It's a bloated mess, time to clean up.
On June 28 2013 11:48 Rampager wrote: This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
We find out that Genius has been pimping, Sleep was running a network of morphine dealers, and San killed a guy. Eve was caught for shoplifting (stealing fruits at supermarkets without paying)
On June 28 2013 11:48 Rampager wrote: This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
We find out that Genius has been pimping, Sleep was running a network of morphine dealers, and San killed a guy. Eve was caught for shoplifting (stealing fruits at supermarkets without paying)
On June 28 2013 11:48 Rampager wrote: This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
We find out that Genius has been pimping, Sleep was running a network of morphine dealers, and San killed a guy. Eve was caught for shoplifting (stealing fruits at supermarkets without paying)
Did she steal from the fruitdealer?
Yes.
It turns out Fruitdealer is the only person selling fruit in Korea.
Funny thing is....it seems like this journalist who wrote the original article got insider news from Azubu [former] employee. Therefore he was able to write exclusive+breaking news this morning.
on his twitter (https://twitter.com/sanwang78)
he wrote few interesting tweets: "There's more than two company that's tied to Azubu. I'm gonna look into them today" "I learned many stories that are hilarious, non-sense, and shitty, but they are not appropriate to write in the article" "(replying to someone)it isn't paper company because the company did exist, but a lot of rumors turned out to be true"
On June 28 2013 11:48 Rampager wrote: This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
We find out that Genius has been pimping, Sleep was running a network of morphine dealers, and San killed a guy. Eve was caught for shoplifting (stealing fruits at supermarkets without paying)
InCa is the more obvious choice for a hitman than San.... No wonder Azubu is going under, poor staffing decisions.
On June 28 2013 12:26 drazak wrote: I just thought you should know that while we mourn the death of azubu, we've been granted their successor! Abuzu will keep us going for a long time.
I can't recall. What exactly is possible with Abuzucom?
On June 28 2013 12:26 drazak wrote: I just thought you should know that while we mourn the death of azubu, we've been granted their successor! Abuzu will keep us going for a long time.
I can't recall. What exactly is possible with Abuzucom?
Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The bolded part is what makes be feel that they are genuinely going to keep supporting the team. Not worried at all, with SuperNovas performance yesterday they are looking stronger than ever.
On June 28 2013 11:48 Rampager wrote: This is pretty hilarious, Azubu is one of the best mysteries we have in eSports and it's ridiculously entertaining to watch how it pans out. *gets the popcorn*.
Feel bad for the SC2 dudes, but I have to be selfish and say I can't wait until it blows over and one of them releases a statement on the team, hopefully unveiling even more delicious shady business practices for the creme de la creme.
We find out that Genius has been pimping, Sleep was running a network of morphine dealers, and San killed a guy. Eve was caught for shoplifting (stealing fruits at supermarkets without paying)
Symbol has been found conducting illegal biological experiments to create the first Nydus Worm, viOLet is actually a spy from North Korea and TOP is an assassin using his nun chucks.
On June 28 2013 12:33 Tobblish wrote: Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The bolded part is what makes be feel that they are genuinely going to keep supporting the team. Not worried at all, with SuperNovas performance yesterday they are looking stronger than ever.
You do realize there is NO German HQ, did you read the whole OP, including the italicized bit at the end?
Really got to feel sorry for the players here. All this worry about what's going on with the "company" sponsoring their team takes away from the focus they could be putting into practicing. If Azubu really does turn out to be handling money even dirtier than EG's, I just hope the SC2 players don't have to attend court hearings or something \/___\/
On June 28 2013 13:06 dabom88 wrote: Inca, Vines, and Top must feel cursed. First OGS, then Apex, now Azubu. Supernova and Nada are also ex-OGS.
Also, Nada was in this organization?
maybe blame themselves for being too washed up to get picked up by a proper team? Everytime a new org signs 4,5 Koreans at once, theres a huge chance thats a scam
On June 28 2013 12:33 Tobblish wrote: Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The bolded part is what makes be feel that they are genuinely going to keep supporting the team. Not worried at all, with SuperNovas performance yesterday they are looking stronger than ever.
You do realize there is NO German HQ, did you read the whole OP, including the italicized bit at the end?
Sarcasm is very hard to transmit over the internet.
On June 28 2013 13:06 dabom88 wrote: Inca, Vines, and Top must feel cursed. First OGS, then Apex, now Azubu. Supernova and Nada are also ex-OGS.
Also, Nada was in this organization?
He was one of the original coaches for the team, but then moved to World of Tanks or something.
It was still with Azubu, though. ;;
Oh, I see...I gotta admit I'm least worried for Nada, though. No amount of WoT or SC2 success is going to be a huge deal for him next to his BW legacy.
On June 28 2013 11:15 Dodgin wrote: The azubu sc2 team staff will probably attempt to keep the team going and find a new sponsor, hope they can make it work!
its nada and iris after all, they should have connections. Team MJ!
On June 28 2013 13:42 Zerg.Zilla wrote: As long as they keep supporting the team i don't see any reason to panic...
You mean like pulling their players out of their trip to Dreamhack at the last minute? Doesn't sound like support to me.
Who knows what is going on behind the scenes.
It took till the death of Own3d to find out that they weren't paying a lot of their streamers, could be the same going on here but they are being quiet about it.
On June 28 2013 13:42 Zerg.Zilla wrote: As long as they keep supporting the team i don't see any reason to panic...
The company does not exist any more. How do you think "they" will support a team? Money has to come from somewhere and if the players winnings would be enough there would hardly be the need for a team sponsor.
On June 28 2013 13:42 Zerg.Zilla wrote: As long as they keep supporting the team i don't see any reason to panic...
The company does not exist any more. How do you think "they" will support a team? Money has to come from somewhere and if the players winnings would be enough there would hardly be the need for a team sponsor.
Company barely have existed before, and who the f*ck knows where the money came from in the first place... Their closing Korean HQ will probably do nothing bad or anything since it had no relevance to them from money perspective.
I wonder if all those "Detective" news on KR TV stations motivated them to move... I just wonder tho.
On June 28 2013 14:15 danbel1005 wrote: Oh boy, these oGs kids...NOT AGAIN damn it.
EG.Symbol.[LadyCall] Liquid`Supernova? so Taeja's wrists can chill...?
I'd actually say Violet is more EG material than Symbol. He speaks English, is well liked in the foreign scene, has personality, and plays in WCS AM. Unfortunately, EG seems to be all Korean'd out at the moment.
On June 28 2013 14:33 edgeOut wrote: Too many teams in Korea already, some really needs to be washed out, hope we can get a joint proleague next season with 12 teams.
This really needs to happen. I assume Team 8 will be disbanded if this happens and they will go to other teams. Also:
On June 24 2013 14:47 Clefairy wrote: Apparently Shuttle said on his Afreeca stream that Calm is going to the army soon because STX is about to disband We might not get a Proleague next season if it's true because Team 8 will probably disband as well and EG-TL's participation next season isn't decided.
So maybe STX will be gone too. Lots of players are going to be available, enough to make the other teams more competitive (CJ, EGTL, Prime and sometimes FXO being the weaker teams that could use new players).
KT SKT Woongjin Samsung CJ EGTL IM ST MVP Prime FXO AxA + whatever happens to Azubu?
I bet all the azubu players will attempt to look elsewhere when their contracts are up unless the company demonstrates some more stability by that time.
I just hate seeing all these talented players get dropped again. I know many of them aren't top Koreans anymore, but I still think they deserve to be on a good team. How many more times can players like San,TOP, and Genius get dropped before they decide to just give up. Azubu sounds like the only team that was even interested in picking up Genius. I hope there can be a good ending to this somehow, but it doesn't look to good.
Well this is sad but it was inevitable anyway, now the great players and coaches (iris! you are cool!) will find a new sponsor! OGN Sparkyz and all the other big sponsors! please help rescue esports!
t'is a great team with a special identity. Hope it does not finally get dismantled and players are picked up again by random teams. Surely some computer company out there that can invest in a team.
On June 28 2013 11:04 Plexa wrote: I'm sure clauf will come to the rescue.
I'm rolling my eyes.
On June 28 2013 14:47 SHOOG wrote: I just hate seeing all these talented players get dropped again. I know many of them aren't top Koreans anymore, but I still think they deserve to be on a good team. How many more times can players like San,TOP, and Genius get dropped before they decide to just give up. Azubu sounds like the only team that was even interested in picking up Genius. I hope there can be a good ending to this somehow, but it doesn't look to good.
It was going to happen. Many saw it coming. It was only a question of time and what do you know, it hit.
On June 28 2013 14:15 danbel1005 wrote: Oh boy, these oGs kids...NOT AGAIN damn it.
EG.Symbol.[LadyCall] Liquid`Supernova? so Taeja's wrists can chill...?
I'd actually say Violet is more EG material than Symbol. He speaks English, is well liked in the foreign scene, has personality, and plays in WCS AM. Unfortunately, EG seems to be all Korean'd out at the moment.
Any Ex-TSL player is more likely to join EG than any non-ex-TSL player... Unless you haven't realized that every single Korean on EG other than Jaedong and Oz were on TSL...
Zenex posted a status update recently on Facebook (think it was hi), maybe Zenex is coming back along with azubu players. And the reason why life is not owning is because he wanna go back to Zenex but startale is not letting him
All of this concerning Azubu is just disgusting, I hope someone else will pick up the players and coaches. Shady businesses is like the last thing that Korean SC2 needs
On June 28 2013 15:39 Fionn wrote: If anyone thought HoSeo would outlive oGs, TSL, Slayers, Azubu, and STX Soul, please collect your money.
I hope Proleague in 2017 is KT, SKT, CJ and HoSeo.
Yawn.. So long as the people of NSHS don't want to destroy their own team, they will outlive teams like SlayerS, TSL, etc. STX and oGs are sad exceptions.
Honestly, I can't see STX disbanding right now, whereas I could see oGs disbanding b4 they actually did. SlayerS and TSL was just a massive amount of immaturity. People showing that regardless of resources and skill, the lack of professionalism is enough to destroy teams.
I wouldn't be surprised of NSHS is somehow alive later on, but having KT SKT CJ and NSHS together in pro league won't happen because I don't NSHS will ever gain enough momentum to get that high up.
Woah, STX disbanding would come as a complete surprise. Not to mention they have some really good players. Honestly I would love to see LG/Rebull set up their support like how Kespa teams does. Then maybe we get them in PL and players from T8 and STX (if they indeed disband) can be distributed.
On June 28 2013 11:19 GoodSirTets wrote: I still do not understand their source of income...
crime
lol, i've never understood this theory. So the criminals setup a team to launder money? How exactly would that work? Do they have people on the payroll of said organization who don't really do anything? They'd still have to explain where the money came from to pay them no?
On June 28 2013 13:15 slowbacontron wrote: If Azubu really does turn out to be handling money even dirtier than EG's, I just hope the SC2 players don't have to attend court hearings or something \/___\/
Why are you comparing azubu to the most successful gaming organization? When was EG's money ever dirty?
On June 28 2013 11:15 Vonthin wrote: poor clg, first getting fucked by own3d and now most likely azubu
>.< why does everyone say poor CLG. Everyone was fucked by own3d
Did any of the people who got fucked by own3d then proceed to get refucked by azubu?
Looks like someone is doing a stellar job over there. Lets see who will bend over CLG next. Well they are a team of really stupid kids with big egos, cant say i fell sorry for them.
Anyways, i am not worried for the solid players on Azubu, they will find new teams if need be. The other ones might have to consider doing something else or try harder. And if we are lucky, maybe NaDa will stop insulting his former fans by prostituting himself for anyone with money.
I guess i am more frustrated by this Azubu stuff than i thought. Good luck to Violet, such a cool guy.
On June 28 2013 15:46 ETisME wrote: Zenex posted a status update recently on Facebook (think it was hi), maybe Zenex is coming back along with azubu players. And the reason why life is not owning is because he wanna go back to Zenex but startale is not letting him
On June 28 2013 15:46 ETisME wrote: Zenex posted a status update recently on Facebook (think it was hi), maybe Zenex is coming back along with azubu players. And the reason why life is not owning is because he wanna go back to Zenex but startale is not letting him
On June 28 2013 14:33 edgeOut wrote: Too many teams in Korea already, some really needs to be washed out, hope we can get a joint proleague next season with 12 teams.
This really needs to happen. I assume Team 8 will be disbanded if this happens and they will go to other teams. Also:
On June 24 2013 14:47 Clefairy wrote: Apparently Shuttle said on his Afreeca stream that Calm is going to the army soon because STX is about to disband We might not get a Proleague next season if it's true because Team 8 will probably disband as well and EG-TL's participation next season isn't decided.
So maybe STX will be gone too. Lots of players are going to be available, enough to make the other teams more competitive (CJ, EGTL, Prime and sometimes FXO being the weaker teams that could use new players).
KT SKT Woongjin Samsung CJ EGTL IM ST MVP Prime FXO AxA + whatever happens to Azubu?
Wait, STX is gonna disband? This is big news to me. Even if it's just Shuttle that said it, why has it not been picked up by anyone else on the forum? Talk like that should have blown up and gotten hundreds of posts.
Because honestly, Azubu getting some consequences as a result of their shady business practices isn't as much of a surprise as STX disbanding. That's the biggest news for me from this topic.
On June 28 2013 16:58 Keeemy wrote: It says "Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ" so what's up with all this talk about the players needing new teams..?
I don't get it either. It was obvious before this that AZUBU was shady, so they're not in any more danger now than before, IMO.
On June 28 2013 16:58 Keeemy wrote: It says "Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ" so what's up with all this talk about the players needing new teams..?
I don't get it either. It was obvious before this that AZUBU was shady, so they're not in any more danger now than before, IMO.
Is it really that hard to read the OP? There is NO german HQ. It simply doesnt exist! It is a postbox, nothing more.
On June 28 2013 15:46 ETisME wrote: Zenex posted a status update recently on Facebook (think it was hi), maybe Zenex is coming back along with azubu players. And the reason why life is not owning is because he wanna go back to Zenex but startale is not letting him
On June 28 2013 16:58 Keeemy wrote: It says "Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ" so what's up with all this talk about the players needing new teams..?
I don't get it either. It was obvious before this that AZUBU was shady, so they're not in any more danger now than before, IMO.
Is it really that hard to read the OP? There is NO german HQ. It simply doesnt exist! It is a postbox, nothing more.
On June 28 2013 14:33 edgeOut wrote: Too many teams in Korea already, some really needs to be washed out, hope we can get a joint proleague next season with 12 teams.
This really needs to happen. I assume Team 8 will be disbanded if this happens and they will go to other teams. Also:
On June 24 2013 14:47 Clefairy wrote: Apparently Shuttle said on his Afreeca stream that Calm is going to the army soon because STX is about to disband We might not get a Proleague next season if it's true because Team 8 will probably disband as well and EG-TL's participation next season isn't decided.
So maybe STX will be gone too. Lots of players are going to be available, enough to make the other teams more competitive (CJ, EGTL, Prime and sometimes FXO being the weaker teams that could use new players).
KT SKT Woongjin Samsung CJ EGTL IM ST MVP Prime FXO AxA + whatever happens to Azubu?
Wait, STX is gonna disband? This is big news to me. Even if it's just Shuttle that said it, why has it not been picked up by anyone else on the forum? Talk like that should have blown up and gotten hundreds of posts.
Because honestly, Azubu getting some consequences as a result of their shady business practices isn't as much of a surprise as STX disbanding. That's the biggest news for me from this topic.
It's just a rumor, but with it coming from a progamer like Shuttle (and not the one on Clarity Gaming) there must be more to it than just hearsay. There might be trouble, but it might not necessarily mean disbandment.
On June 28 2013 15:46 ETisME wrote: Zenex posted a status update recently on Facebook (think it was hi), maybe Zenex is coming back along with azubu players. And the reason why life is not owning is because he wanna go back to Zenex but startale is not letting him
On June 28 2013 15:46 ETisME wrote: Zenex posted a status update recently on Facebook (think it was hi), maybe Zenex is coming back along with azubu players. And the reason why life is not owning is because he wanna go back to Zenex but startale is not letting him
OT: Azubu's always been something shady, I'm really curious about this... The team looks quite compromised with this, hope all will go smooth for the players !
Simplified explanation: All large companies have large amounts of debt. The larger the company the more their debt, usually. Which is fine as long as their revenue streams are stable and they can pay off that debt in the terms agreed upon. Companies acquire debt because if they know they can pay it off and still make a profit, they can use that debt to expand/improve/R&D/buy stuff. That's why you will almost always find long term debts on balance sheets. Having debt is not a direct indication of whether a company is healthy or not. More important is how long that debt has been around, if it's growing along with useful assets, and if they are paying it off on schedule. Of course it's more complicated than that but I wanted to explain it in simple terms.
I feel so sorry for all the players... as if the team is going to be allright . I hope they all can somehow keep playing and find a stable team in the long run.
On June 28 2013 16:58 Keeemy wrote: It says "Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ" so what's up with all this talk about the players needing new teams..?
I don't get it either. It was obvious before this that AZUBU was shady, so they're not in any more danger now than before, IMO.
Is it really that hard to read the OP? There is NO german HQ. It simply doesnt exist! It is a postbox, nothing more.
Yeah, and we've known this for a long time. So what's the big deal now? There was a postbox on the top before and there's a postbox on the top now. They're just as screwed as they've always been.
That's not the problem, they bankrupted themselves long time ago. With this kind of company, a small esports team is not at urgency to disband. They still have plenty of business running even when they bankrupted themselves.
On June 28 2013 17:59 lichter wrote: Simplified explanation: All large companies have large amounts of debt. The larger the company the more their debt, usually. Which is fine as long as their revenue streams are stable and they can pay off that debt in the terms agreed upon. Companies acquire debt because if they know they can pay it off and still make a profit, they can use that debt to expand/improve/R&D/buy stuff. That's why you will almost always find long term debts on balance sheets. Having debt is not a direct indication of whether a company is healthy or not. More important is how long that debt has been around, if it's growing along with useful assets, and if they are paying it off on schedule. Of course it's more complicated than that but I wanted to explain it in simple terms.
indeed. i probably should have included more information in my first post about their debt, but what you mentioned about large companies such as STX is absolutely true. however, it seems that STX took on too much risk and that combined with the 2008 financial crisis resulted in the bankruptcy of STX Pan Ocean.
STX’s former and current officials said the main reason for current problems is that the group spent a great chunk of advance payments from clients in takeover deals without leaving some as operating capital. “Mr. Kang should have put aside some money to continue to build ships during the downturn and adopted warnings raised by his aides and the market,” a current STX official said. “What stopped him was snowballed debts, after all.”
If you look at the financial report of say, Manchester UTD, you'd see they have a gross debt of about 430 million GBP as of March 31. The clubs commercial revenue increased by 27.9%, while their debt only by 13.2% in the last nine months. They still owe a shitton of money, but are on the right track of paying up on time. If STX has 9 million USD debt in the world of freight shipping that is like having two unpaid beers on your tab at your local watering hole. Also if we don't have any other info regarding their revenue streams, cash flow, prices of shares this data alone doesn't mean much.
edit: Ooops, got confused by the number of zeroes . 9 billion is quite significant.
On June 28 2013 17:59 lichter wrote: Simplified explanation: All large companies have large amounts of debt. The larger the company the more their debt, usually. Which is fine as long as their revenue streams are stable and they can pay off that debt in the terms agreed upon. Companies acquire debt because if they know they can pay it off and still make a profit, they can use that debt to expand/improve/R&D/buy stuff. That's why you will almost always find long term debts on balance sheets. Having debt is not a direct indication of whether a company is healthy or not. More important is how long that debt has been around, if it's growing along with useful assets, and if they are paying it off on schedule. Of course it's more complicated than that but I wanted to explain it in simple terms.
indeed. i probably should have included more information in my first post about their debt, but what you mentioned about large companies such as STX is absolutely true. however, it seems that STX took on too much risk and that combined with the 2008 financial crisis resulted in the bankruptcy of STX Pan Ocean.
STX’s former and current officials said the main reason for current problems is that the group spent a great chunk of advance payments from clients in takeover deals without leaving some as operating capital. “Mr. Kang should have put aside some money to continue to build ships during the downturn and adopted warnings raised by his aides and the market,” a current STX official said. “What stopped him was snowballed debts, after all.”
STX also pulled out their sponsorship of a football team too
everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
I don't ... but with IdrA gone, Stephano going and Huk probably downgrading they could add a few more Koreans to their roster.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
I don't ... but with IdrA gone, Stephano going and Huk probably downgrading they could add a few more Koreans to their roster.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
I don't ... but with IdrA gone, Stephano going and Huk probably downgrading they could add a few more Koreans to their roster.
I think you mean few more foreigers
They just picked up Sortof!
I could see them changing up some of their Koreans for pro league next season, maybe pick up Symbol/Supernova or some of the esf guys when the trade lock ends.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
That's what EG does though, but usually they swoop in when a player peaks and we all know how that turns out. In either case, there are a lot of good Koreans for the taking now so it just makes sense to pick up a select few.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
That's what EG does though, but usually they swoop in when a player peaks and we all know how that turns out. In either case, there are a lot of good Koreans for the taking now so it just makes sense to pick up a select few.
Examples of that recently? Suppy was playing worse off EG then on EG. Xenocider I don't know much about, although I wouldn't consider him at his peak or really, really good. aLive and Oz were pickups that occurred far after their "peak" and were picked up for Proleague. Revival? I wouldn't really say at his peak and he has only been playing better since being under coach Park. Jaedong? Jaedong was not showing much/any promise in SC2 when EG picked him up, although in EG's Korean team house and under coach Park Jaedong has greatly, greatly improved.
OT: This is pretty shitty news, although I'm glad it has stopped now as opposed to chancing the players losing more money.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
That's what EG does though, but usually they swoop in when a player peaks and we all know how that turns out. In either case, there are a lot of good Koreans for the taking now so it just makes sense to pick up a select few.
Examples of that recently? Suppy was playing worse off EG then on EG. Xenocider I don't know much about, although I wouldn't consider him at his peak or really, really good. aLive and Oz were pickups that occurred far after their "peak" and were picked up for Proleague. Revival? I wouldn't really say at his peak and he has only been playing better since being under coach Park. Jaedong? Jaedong was not showing much/any promise in SC2 when EG picked him up, although in EG's Korean team house and under coach Park Jaedong has greatly, greatly improved.
OT: This is pretty shitty news, although I'm glad it has stopped now as opposed to chancing the players losing more money.
Obviously I'm talking about the old credo. aLive and Oz were sent to purgatory and if you think they peaked prior to that I think you have another thing coming. More like unfulfilled potential especially considering they aren't new to Western teams, so there are a lot of question marks still there. Jaedong would have improved by himself with or without someone looking over his shoulder. Sorry that's the type of player he is. He used to work just as hard as Flash. Ask anyone in the scene back then and they'll tell you Flash and Jaedong were the two hardest working players in BW.
Another team falls apart due to bad management/scam artists. I have just been reading Maddelisk's blog about Absolute Legends, and I know Dimaga got screwed by his old team too. Considering all the players who are not getting paid as promised it is amazing that EG gets such a hard time here on TL. Last I heard EG pay their players well and on time. That seems pretty basic but unfortunately that seems something that some teams don't manage to accomplish.
Very sad to hear about SC2 Pros getting ripped off by their employers. It happens way too often too.
On June 28 2013 11:15 Vonthin wrote: poor clg, first getting fucked by own3d and now most likely azubu
>.< why does everyone say poor CLG. Everyone was fucked by own3d
Did any of the people who got fucked by own3d then proceed to get refucked by azubu?
Looks like someone is doing a stellar job over there. Lets see who will bend over CLG next. Well they are a team of really stupid kids with big egos, cant say i fell sorry for them.
Anyways, i am not worried for the solid players on Azubu, they will find new teams if need be. The other ones might have to consider doing something else or try harder. And if we are lucky, maybe NaDa will stop insulting his former fans by prostituting himself for anyone with money.
I guess i am more frustrated by this Azubu stuff than i thought. Good luck to Violet, such a cool guy.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
I don't ... but with IdrA gone, Stephano going and Huk probably downgrading they could add a few more Koreans to their roster.
I think you mean few more foreigers
They just picked up Sortof!
For their seemingly Swedish-only sister brand, yes. If they add koreans it would most likely be under the EG banner.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
That's what EG does though, but usually they swoop in when a player peaks and we all know how that turns out. In either case, there are a lot of good Koreans for the taking now so it just makes sense to pick up a select few.
Examples of that recently? Suppy was playing worse off EG then on EG. Xenocider I don't know much about, although I wouldn't consider him at his peak or really, really good. aLive and Oz were pickups that occurred far after their "peak" and were picked up for Proleague. Revival? I wouldn't really say at his peak and he has only been playing better since being under coach Park. Jaedong? Jaedong was not showing much/any promise in SC2 when EG picked him up, although in EG's Korean team house and under coach Park Jaedong has greatly, greatly improved.
OT: This is pretty shitty news, although I'm glad it has stopped now as opposed to chancing the players losing more money.
Obviously I'm talking about the old credo. aLive and Oz were sent to purgatory and if you think they peaked prior to that I think you have another thing coming. More like unfulfilled potential especially considering they aren't new to Western teams, so there are a lot of question marks still there. Jaedong would have improved by himself with or without someone looking over his shoulder. Sorry that's the type of player he is. He used to work just as hard as Flash. Ask anyone in the scene back then and they'll tell you Flash and Jaedong were the two hardest working players in BW.
You wouldn't call aLive's peak so far his win at IPL4?
Oz, maybe not, although he and aLive were picked up as a result of Fnatic ending all things to do with Korea, not because they were at their peak and because EG wanted to snipe some of them.
Furthermore your admittance that both of them haven't peaked refutes your earlier point that EG just picks up players at their peak and then causes them or correlates with them becoming worse. You're contradicting yourself.
Well yeah he would have improved by continuing to play, although once again EG did not at all pick him up at the peak of his SC2 play and comparing him to Flash at the time, Flash was playing much, much better.
On June 28 2013 22:50 revel8 wrote: Another team falls apart due to bad management/scam artists. I have just been reading Maddelisk's blog about Absolute Legends, and I know Dimaga got screwed by his old team too. Considering all the players who are not getting paid as promised it is amazing that EG gets such a hard time here on TL. Last I heard EG pay their players well and on time. That seems pretty basic but unfortunately that seems something that some teams don't manage to accomplish.
Very sad to hear about SC2 Pros getting ripped off by their employers. It happens way too often too.
It just seems that a majority or a very vocal minority of SC2 fans despise success. The vast majority of the /r/Starcrat community jumped on the chance to donate to Root so that they could open a team house, although everyone hates EG for owning a team house in Arizona and in Korea. It's rather appalling that people give shit to EG when they are one of the few Western organizations that hasn't folded, but flourished as of recent.
On June 28 2013 22:50 revel8 wrote: Another team falls apart due to bad management/scam artists. I have just been reading Maddelisk's blog about Absolute Legends, and I know Dimaga got screwed by his old team too. Considering all the players who are not getting paid as promised it is amazing that EG gets such a hard time here on TL. Last I heard EG pay their players well and on time. That seems pretty basic but unfortunately that seems something that some teams don't manage to accomplish.
Very sad to hear about SC2 Pros getting ripped off by their employers. It happens way too often too.
You make it sound like this is some sort of revelation when its been happening to foreigners since the BW days considering guys paid players out of their pocket and we didn't really have any sponsors until much later and even back then it was practically nothing that we got from them. Some things don't change fast. This is familiar territory for them.
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
That's what EG does though, but usually they swoop in when a player peaks and we all know how that turns out. In either case, there are a lot of good Koreans for the taking now so it just makes sense to pick up a select few.
Examples of that recently? Suppy was playing worse off EG then on EG. Xenocider I don't know much about, although I wouldn't consider him at his peak or really, really good. aLive and Oz were pickups that occurred far after their "peak" and were picked up for Proleague. Revival? I wouldn't really say at his peak and he has only been playing better since being under coach Park. Jaedong? Jaedong was not showing much/any promise in SC2 when EG picked him up, although in EG's Korean team house and under coach Park Jaedong has greatly, greatly improved.
OT: This is pretty shitty news, although I'm glad it has stopped now as opposed to chancing the players losing more money.
Obviously I'm talking about the old credo. aLive and Oz were sent to purgatory and if you think they peaked prior to that I think you have another thing coming. More like unfulfilled potential especially considering they aren't new to Western teams, so there are a lot of question marks still there. Jaedong would have improved by himself with or without someone looking over his shoulder. Sorry that's the type of player he is. He used to work just as hard as Flash. Ask anyone in the scene back then and they'll tell you Flash and Jaedong were the two hardest working players in BW.
You wouldn't call aLive's peak so far his win at IPL4?
Oz, maybe not, although he and aLive were picked up as a result of Fnatic ending all things to do with Korea, not because they were at their peak and because EG wanted to snipe some of them.
Furthermore your admittance that both of them haven't peaked refutes your earlier point that EG just picks up players at their peak and then causes them or correlates with them becoming worse. You're contradicting yourself.
Well yeah he would have improved by continuing to play, although once again EG did not at all pick him up at the peak of his SC2 play and comparing him to Flash at the time, Flash was playing much, much better.
On June 28 2013 22:50 revel8 wrote: Another team falls apart due to bad management/scam artists. I have just been reading Maddelisk's blog about Absolute Legends, and I know Dimaga got screwed by his old team too. Considering all the players who are not getting paid as promised it is amazing that EG gets such a hard time here on TL. Last I heard EG pay their players well and on time. That seems pretty basic but unfortunately that seems something that some teams don't manage to accomplish.
Very sad to hear about SC2 Pros getting ripped off by their employers. It happens way too often too.
It just seems that a majority or a very vocal minority of SC2 fans despise success. The vast majority of the /r/Starcrat community jumped on the chance to donate to Root so that they could open a team house, although everyone hates EG for owning a team house in Arizona and in Korea. It's rather appalling that people give shit to EG when they are one of the few Western organizations that hasn't folded, but flourished as of recent.
I don't call IPL anything a peak the same way I don't consider HerO's back-to-back wins of DH Winter a peak. It's great they have a few wins under their belt but I don't think anyone would consider them to be at the top of the hill after those victories. You get what I am saying? Heck, I don't even consider a few GSL wins to be that extravagant anymore considering the game is changing a lot faster with the patch work compared to the map changes/diversity/expansions/patches in BW. Its going by much quicker and we have yet to see what will happen to players like Bogus. There's a lot of variables in play so it makes it much more complicated. From what I've seen of aLive in PL I think he is capable of playing better.
Oh and I just read your last blurb. I thought I was pretty clear in my first sentence when I said the old credo? It's not like I was born yesterday so I know the EG timeline pretty well bud. I don't see where you have a bone with that. I certainly don't avoid history. You want to defend it and that's all fine and dandy but don't avoid history and I don't get where your going with this success. If you mean pushing content then the EG brand certainly does that. As for all these voices you hear and they hear. Well, sometimes it's best to tune out all those voices altogether so you can focus on the actual goal at hand. It's all about perception of the given brand. Why do you think Alex opened another brand? Why do you think they invited TL into the PL fold other than the fact they needed more talent to compete in the PL? Come on now. Some things just make sense and I've seen a lot more positive remarks with regards to EG compared to a year ago. This isn't guess work.
On June 28 2013 11:04 TeslasPigeon wrote: Alright EGTL, now is the time to poach some players!
Nazgul had hundreds of chances to poach Genius or Supernova. In fact, considering the fact that Genius asked specifically to join Liquid and Supernova was staying with Jinro and Huk, I'm surprised we didn't see any of them join Liquid.
On June 28 2013 11:04 TeslasPigeon wrote: Alright EGTL, now is the time to poach some players!
Nazgul had hundreds of chances to poach Genius or Supernova. In fact, considering the fact that Genius asked specifically to join Liquid and Supernova was staying with Jinro and Huk, I'm surprised we didn't see any of them join Liquid.
TL probably didn't have enough to pay for them, even if Genius and Supernova aren't top dollar players, the amount of money that you'd have to invest not just in them, but with them (translators, korean house? etc.) is huge.
On June 28 2013 11:04 TeslasPigeon wrote: Alright EGTL, now is the time to poach some players!
Nazgul had hundreds of chances to poach Genius or Supernova. In fact, considering the fact that Genius asked specifically to join Liquid and Supernova was staying with Jinro and Huk, I'm surprised we didn't see any of them join Liquid.
TL probably didn't have enough to pay for them, even if Genius and Supernova aren't top dollar players, the amount of money that you'd have to invest not just in them, but with them (translators, korean house? etc.) is huge.
I don't know about that. Just because they were oGs doesn't mean TL is going to go right after them. I'm sure Victor has his reasons and it's none of our business either.
On June 28 2013 11:04 TeslasPigeon wrote: Alright EGTL, now is the time to poach some players!
Nazgul had hundreds of chances to poach Genius or Supernova. In fact, considering the fact that Genius asked specifically to join Liquid and Supernova was staying with Jinro and Huk, I'm surprised we didn't see any of them join Liquid.
This so much. I never understood why Liquid didn't pick up SuperNova. He was living with HerO, Jinro, HuK, HayprO and TLO. He had so much potential. And instead he joined mTw. Sigh.
On June 29 2013 00:44 blacksheepwall wrote: Hrm, guess Azubu was as sketchy as everyone is saying.
i don't see how you could think that they were legitmate, the company was traced back to two financial criminals, they didn't have an office where they said they did, shit like the players not being notified of major changes to the organization until they read it on websites like TL...
Looks like the streaming service will still be supported by "Azubu Germany". I tweeted CLG's manager to see if they are going to switch to twitch with Azubu shutting down and he said that they aren't shutting down
On June 29 2013 01:19 Vonthin wrote: Looks like the streaming service will still be supported by "Azubu Germany". I tweeted CLG's manager to see if they are going to switch to twitch with Azubu shutting down and he said that they aren't shutting down
On June 28 2013 11:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: On a brighter note.
IM needs a terran. Supernova is in the ro16 off the blood of Squirtle.
Get yo ass over here
Well this put a bit of a smile on my face in an otherwise very disappointing moment.
Like, seriously Azubu, what the fuck? You just dropped a crapload of people cause you felt like it, without even consulting them so that they could have time to transition. I understand businesses aim to make money first, but sometimes the way businesses go around screwing people on a moment's notice is so bad. It's like when IPL was cancelled out of nowhere cause someone bought them out and found out it wasn't profitable to hold the tournament.
On June 28 2013 11:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: On a brighter note.
IM needs a terran. Supernova is in the ro16 off the blood of Squirtle.
Get yo ass over here
Well this put a bit of a smile on my face in an otherwise very disappointing moment.
Like, seriously Azubu, what the fuck? You just dropped a crapload of people cause you felt like it, without even consulting them so that they could have time to transition. I understand businesses aim to make money first, but sometimes the way businesses go around screwing people on a moment's notice is so bad. It's like when IPL was cancelled out of nowhere cause someone bought them out and found out it wasn't profitable to hold the tournament.
On June 28 2013 13:15 slowbacontron wrote: If Azubu really does turn out to be handling money even dirtier than EG's, I just hope the SC2 players don't have to attend court hearings or something \/___\/
Why are you comparing azubu to the most successful gaming organization? When was EG's money ever dirty?
Worry not! I was joking about EG based on their Geniuses Falling video. The joke seems to be more popular on Reddit, huh.
On June 29 2013 01:19 Vonthin wrote: Looks like the streaming service will still be supported by "Azubu Germany". I tweeted CLG's manager to see if they are going to switch to twitch with Azubu shutting down and he said that they aren't shutting down
Why would they inform him when they shutdown... You have to be blind to see that sooner or later the streaming site will be gone too. There is NOTHING behind it. Their server capacity is RENTED just like own3d.tv's was...
On June 29 2013 01:19 Vonthin wrote: Looks like the streaming service will still be supported by "Azubu Germany". I tweeted CLG's manager to see if they are going to switch to twitch with Azubu shutting down and he said that they aren't shutting down
Yet Ganzi is streaming on twitch right now
I think it is because he is streaming in the Axiom House
On June 28 2013 20:21 turdburgler wrote: everyone loves to complain about EGs dirty money but the moment some guy gets fucked in the ass and needs a hand out everyone starts praying for EG to swoop in and foot the bill.
That's what EG does though, but usually they swoop in when a player peaks and we all know how that turns out. In either case, there are a lot of good Koreans for the taking now so it just makes sense to pick up a select few.
Examples of that recently? Suppy was playing worse off EG then on EG. Xenocider I don't know much about, although I wouldn't consider him at his peak or really, really good. aLive and Oz were pickups that occurred far after their "peak" and were picked up for Proleague. Revival? I wouldn't really say at his peak and he has only been playing better since being under coach Park. Jaedong? Jaedong was not showing much/any promise in SC2 when EG picked him up, although in EG's Korean team house and under coach Park Jaedong has greatly, greatly improved.
OT: This is pretty shitty news, although I'm glad it has stopped now as opposed to chancing the players losing more money.
Obviously I'm talking about the old credo. aLive and Oz were sent to purgatory and if you think they peaked prior to that I think you have another thing coming. More like unfulfilled potential especially considering they aren't new to Western teams, so there are a lot of question marks still there. Jaedong would have improved by himself with or without someone looking over his shoulder. Sorry that's the type of player he is. He used to work just as hard as Flash. Ask anyone in the scene back then and they'll tell you Flash and Jaedong were the two hardest working players in BW.
You wouldn't call aLive's peak so far his win at IPL4?
Oz, maybe not, although he and aLive were picked up as a result of Fnatic ending all things to do with Korea, not because they were at their peak and because EG wanted to snipe some of them.
Furthermore your admittance that both of them haven't peaked refutes your earlier point that EG just picks up players at their peak and then causes them or correlates with them becoming worse. You're contradicting yourself.
Well yeah he would have improved by continuing to play, although once again EG did not at all pick him up at the peak of his SC2 play and comparing him to Flash at the time, Flash was playing much, much better.
On June 28 2013 22:50 revel8 wrote: Another team falls apart due to bad management/scam artists. I have just been reading Maddelisk's blog about Absolute Legends, and I know Dimaga got screwed by his old team too. Considering all the players who are not getting paid as promised it is amazing that EG gets such a hard time here on TL. Last I heard EG pay their players well and on time. That seems pretty basic but unfortunately that seems something that some teams don't manage to accomplish.
Very sad to hear about SC2 Pros getting ripped off by their employers. It happens way too often too.
It just seems that a majority or a very vocal minority of SC2 fans despise success. The vast majority of the /r/Starcrat community jumped on the chance to donate to Root so that they could open a team house, although everyone hates EG for owning a team house in Arizona and in Korea. It's rather appalling that people give shit to EG when they are one of the few Western organizations that hasn't folded, but flourished as of recent.
This guy... You think people give EG shit because they have team houses or because they are rich? Its more about their view on the whole esports scene, the people associated with EG and buying popular/successful players. I also find their extremly aggressive marketing absolutely disgusting. Jaedong walking out with a monster bottle in his hand. Fuck off with that shit.
On June 29 2013 01:19 Vonthin wrote: Looks like the streaming service will still be supported by "Azubu Germany". I tweeted CLG's manager to see if they are going to switch to twitch with Azubu shutting down and he said that they aren't shutting down
Why would they inform him when they shutdown... You have to be blind to see that sooner or later the streaming site will be gone too. There is NOTHING behind it. Their server capacity is RENTED just like own3d.tv's was...
I agree with you that it won't last much longer but he might know some things that we don't. The streaming service is ran by "AzubuNorth America" according to the Azubu.tv page and Kelby has friends who work there
why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
On June 29 2013 01:19 Vonthin wrote: Looks like the streaming service will still be supported by "Azubu Germany". I tweeted CLG's manager to see if they are going to switch to twitch with Azubu shutting down and he said that they aren't shutting down
Why would they inform him when they shutdown... You have to be blind to see that sooner or later the streaming site will be gone too. There is NOTHING behind it. Their server capacity is RENTED just like own3d.tv's was...
I agree with you that it won't last much longer but he might know some things that we don't. The streaming service is ran by "AzubuNorth America" according to the Azubu.tv page and Kelby has friends who work there
Let me put it this way. The Azubu brand has become useless. You literally cant do anything with it, you have a brand that is being investigated for a white-collar crime. Why in gods name would you keep pouring money into it? Maybe kelby has a pot left from the goo' ol' days but you can bet you ass it is only a matter of Time till someone picks up on it. Do you really think they will get a longer notice than the korean office did?
It is the usual "relax everyone, everythin is fiiine" before everyone finds their stuff at the front of the door.
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
How would a gaming team become self-sustaining? I don't think there is actually enough prize money out there for a team to be able to support itself off of. The money would be coming from the sponsors of which STX would be one. It can also be assumed that STX is putting the most money towards the team since the team is called STX, otherwise if one of their other sponsors were putting forth the majority of the money wouldn't they want the team named after them? The team may be able to re-form under the same sponsors they had as STX with a new major backer but I don't think a gaming team can really become self sustaining.
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
Guys these things literally takes 20 sec to google:
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
That's why people are saying it.
What do you mean?
As in the pro gaming team would go bye bye. KeSPA is backed by the Government; however, looking back at the past. It doesn't really look good for the team like many of the other teams that went adrift.
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
Guys these things literally takes 20 sec to google:
The sad way to do things. Esports should be a vector of change in that matter (how to end a project without being terribly mean and uncaring). Transparency, communication!
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
Guys these things literally takes 20 sec to google:
TLDR, declining sales, negative income, increasing debt == that company is in deep trouble
that doesn't mean that much, you have to do a inter-industry analysis to determine whether it is really in trouble or not. high debt to equity can also be a feature of this high operating cost for trading companies as well
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
Guys these things literally takes 20 sec to google:
TLDR, declining sales, negative income, increasing debt == that company is in deep trouble
that doesn't mean that much, you have to do a inter-industry analysis to determine whether it is really in trouble or not. high debt to equity can also be a feature of this high operating cost for trading companies as well
STX is a massive corp, that ocean liner part of STX maybe operating at a loss but the company as a whole I doubt is.
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
Guys these things literally takes 20 sec to google:
TLDR, declining sales, negative income, increasing debt == that company is in deep trouble
that doesn't mean that much, you have to do a inter-industry analysis to determine whether it is really in trouble or not. high debt to equity can also be a feature of this high operating cost for trading companies as well
STX is a massive corp, that ocean liner part of STX maybe operating at a loss but the company as a whole I doubt is.
Furthermore, very few of us here are qualified to speculate at what is occurring inside the sphere of the company. Few of us understand their economic market and the market outlook for STX and because of that it is really a bad idea to start taking blind shots in the dark about the future of the gaming team sponsored by STX.
On June 29 2013 03:10 Straxis wrote: why would STX disband? they just gained a lot of exposure because innovation, but anyway. _I believe this is only the first stage of the problem and a lot of teams will going to disband soon
Apparently the STX company is like $9 billion in debt
If they were in that much debt I feel like the gaming team would be the first thing to go... I was always under the impression that the big korean powerhouses are somewhat autonomous from the actual companies that have their name on the jersey. I'm sure there's some money involved somewhere, but at some point it becomes self-sustaining...right?
9 billion of debt isn't terrible when you make 23 billion in revenues per year.
That's a lot like accenture PLC, SONY corp, etc.
Is it actually debt or just YoY operating loss? If it's one, what's the other -- I've never actually read up an article about it but I know they were one of the chaebols which were quite hit by the recession / eco. crisis because of their nature of business.
Guys these things literally takes 20 sec to google:
TLDR, declining sales, negative income, increasing debt == that company is in deep trouble
that doesn't mean that much, you have to do a inter-industry analysis to determine whether it is really in trouble or not. high debt to equity can also be a feature of this high operating cost for trading companies as well
It's not publicly listed in a foreign exchange like an NYSE so getting good information would be difficult. That said, they have some financials floating around.
Relevant to the tangent this thread has taken in the past page or two, STX Corp recently filed Chapter 15, Title 11 in the United States, which is similar to filing Chapter 11 for domestic companies. Obviously, STX is Korean-held so they were forced to use Chapter 15 instead of 11. On that note, its (Korean) creditors may take majority shareholder because nobody was willing to buy up STX PanOcean's debt, so that subsidiary, along with the company itself, may soon be out of chaebol family's ownership. Financial downturn during the first quarter of 2013 was caused by a global decline in demand for shipping in conjunction with the financial strain of an overabundance of unused ships.
On June 29 2013 07:50 andyrau wrote: Relevant to the tangent this thread has taken in the past page or two, STX Corp recently filed Chapter 15, Title 11 in the United States, which is similar to filing Chapter 11 for domestic companies. Obviously, STX is Korean-held so they were forced to use Chapter 15 instead of 11. On that note, its (Korean) creditors may take majority shareholder because nobody was willing to buy up STX PanOcean's debt, so that subsidiary, along with the company itself, may soon be out of chaebol family's ownership. Financial downturn during the first quarter of 2013 was caused by a global decline in demand for shipping in conjunction with the financial strain of an overabundance of unused ships.
On June 28 2013 13:42 Zerg.Zilla wrote: As long as they keep supporting the team i don't see any reason to panic...
The company does not exist any more. How do you think "they" will support a team? Money has to come from somewhere and if the players winnings would be enough there would hardly be the need for a team sponsor.
Company barely have existed before, and who the f*ck knows where the money came from in the first place... Their closing Korean HQ will probably do nothing bad or anything since it had no relevance to them from money perspective.
I wonder if all those "Detective" news on KR TV stations motivated them to move... I just wonder tho.
I'm sure the rightful owners of the money care a great deal. Who knows maybe that douchebag owner of Azubu is Korea's version of Bernard Madoff, and he swindled retirement/investment funds from thousands of hard working people. But hey who cares right?
BTW mind giving me your bank account # so I can rob you blind? I'll donate 2% of it to esports.
i got this from Fomos:players who made it through the qualifiers. people on fomos are speculating that GomTv intentiaonally left out STX next to Dear.... but everyone else has a team name .. interesting... I also read an article saying that STX stopped sponsoring a football team due to financial problems they are facing at the moment 0_0...
On June 29 2013 18:05 Fionn wrote: Honestly, if this STX stuff is true, it should be a thread. This is a pretty big story. Much bigger than Azubu collapsing.
It was such a big story that once someone brought it up the thread about Azubu basically became about STX Soul.
On June 29 2013 07:50 andyrau wrote: Relevant to the tangent this thread has taken in the past page or two, STX Corp recently filed Chapter 15, Title 11 in the United States, which is similar to filing Chapter 11 for domestic companies. Obviously, STX is Korean-held so they were forced to use Chapter 15 instead of 11. On that note, its (Korean) creditors may take majority shareholder because nobody was willing to buy up STX PanOcean's debt, so that subsidiary, along with the company itself, may soon be out of chaebol family's ownership. Financial downturn during the first quarter of 2013 was caused by a global decline in demand for shipping in conjunction with the financial strain of an overabundance of unused ships.
I'm a little confused on how their head coach couldn't know anything.. I mean, this is something that practically everyone knew about already. All that was lacking was an official confirmation.
So is this the reason why Azubu picked a bunch of washed up, has beens? Because they didnt really care which players they chose as long as they could launder money while creating this "We are helping Esports grow! " image to the community?
On June 30 2013 00:33 mongmong wrote: So is this the reason why Azubu picked a bunch of washed up, has beens? Because they didnt really care which players they chose as long as they could launder money while creating this "We are helping Esports grow! " image to the community?
Symbol and viOLet has-beens? What?
Not to mention san and SuperNoVa have been doing well recently as well...
I still don't understand why someone would make a company to launder money via esports. It seems like one of the worst ways to do it, everything is done over the internet, the people who watch esports would be mostly young (I assume) and curious, and scandals get rooted out so quickly. Oh well.
I hate the see any pro team go under. This has been a solid team for quite a while now. I'm sure there is a lot more to it than what we know but maybe this is for the best. I wish all the players good luck in finding new teams and hopefully all of the guys in the 'background' can find work as well.
On June 30 2013 00:37 wptlzkwjd wrote: With all these organizations collapsing, I wonder if an SC2 team is no longer a good decision to invest money into anymore...
I don't think their SC2 teams are the root of their problems, so much as the bad business decisions (Azubu) and the downturn in the profitability of their primary business due to the economic climate (STX). Corporations like SK Telecom are much more stable and their long running commitment to e-Sports probably wouldn't be the case if those teams weren't making money, so I think we'll be fine.
I have to see I'm a little concerned for these guys, when Azubu came along I thought they looked legit and will become a big player in the industry. I hope at the very least the sc2 team continues.
pretty glad to see shady business gone from my industry. sorry for the lol/dota derailment but the injection of money into esports (aka ogn lol champions, then herpderp buy both teams) is no way to sustain an industry. glad they are gone- part of the reason why that game went to...well... what it is today.
go back to our roots of slow and steady growth, with passion driving teams (aka liquid, mouz, sk). fuck people who try to buy us.
On June 30 2013 00:33 mongmong wrote: So is this the reason why Azubu picked a bunch of washed up, has beens? Because they didnt really care which players they chose as long as they could launder money while creating this "We are helping Esports grow! " image to the community?
Symbol and viOLet has-beens? What?
Not to mention san and SuperNoVa have been doing well recently as well...
Eh i shouldve added "mainly washed up, has beens" because i do know symbol and violet are pretty dsmn good players
wow...that really sucks. Shows the communication skills that upper management has with it's employees. Anyone with half a mind would be able to effectively share information to their team coaches...
On June 30 2013 05:21 fireforce7 wrote: wow...that really sucks. Shows the communication skills that upper management has with it's employees. Anyone with half a mind would be able to effectively share information to their team coaches...
Maybe, maybe... it's cause they are criminals and they don't want to share criminal details with their team coaches?
On July 01 2013 23:47 Targe wrote: Damn... that Azuwho thread was on to something.
Very solid journalism, actually, I'm impressed. I don't remember who it was, but bravo.
he raised some speculation and it turned out to be likely on the right track... he didn't do any real research or uncover any specific malfeasance on his own
not trying to take away from his thread, it was a good read and he was clearly on to something, but it was not in any way real journalism
On July 01 2013 23:47 Targe wrote: Damn... that Azuwho thread was on to something.
Very solid journalism, actually, I'm impressed. I don't remember who it was, but bravo.
he raised some speculation and it turned out to be likely on the right track... he didn't do any real research or uncover any specific malfeasance on his own
not trying to take away from his thread, it was a good read and he was clearly on to something, but it was not in any way real journalism
I'd say he deserves more credit. To say he didn't do any real research is a bit demeaning to the time and effort he clearly put into tracing azubu's roots.
On July 01 2013 23:47 Targe wrote: Damn... that Azuwho thread was on to something.
Very solid journalism, actually, I'm impressed. I don't remember who it was, but bravo.
he raised some speculation and it turned out to be likely on the right track... he didn't do any real research or uncover any specific malfeasance on his own
not trying to take away from his thread, it was a good read and he was clearly on to something, but it was not in any way real journalism
I'd say he deserves more credit. To say he didn't do any real research is a bit demeaning to the time and effort he clearly put into tracing azubu's roots.
Again his post caught a lot of attention here on TL but this was being discussed a year before his post. His post just coincided with authorities taking action.
Azubu confirmed their plan to fire all Azubu Korea employees and close down Azubu Korea by June 28. The future of SNS, streaming, and media services by Azubu is now unclear, but Team Azubu(SC2) will continue to be supported by German HQ.
The decision to completely withdraw from Korea was solely made by the HQ, and it has not been shared with Team Azubu at all.
I don't understand why everyone is talking about the Azubu SC2 squad, doesn't it clearly state in the OP that they will still be supported?
Because if the company shut down with 1 days notice, it's clear the team could be shut down without much if any notice.
On July 02 2013 16:28 Eolo wrote: OMG, in Spain was Karont3 now in Korea is Azubu, What happens in the sc?
Karont3 cant really be compared to Azubu ... one lost its best two players and became a non-team due to mass and the other had its name-giving sponsor shut down due to mismanagement and shady dealings.
This is just the tip of the iceberg in years to come. I just hope a lot of the "money speculators" have a inner beating eSport heart, though it seems doubtful, as shrewd businessmen have no heart and therefore the closest thing to nihilists.
Results-wise Azubu has still be doing pretty good. Symbol is consistently making deep runs in Korean Starleagues, and now Supernova just made a Ro8 in OSL. San just made the finals of ASUS as well.
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