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Blizzard Simplifies Tournament Hosting

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imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 00:17:54
June 13 2013 00:04 GMT
#1
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Tournament Guidelines Update

Community-driven tournaments are an exhilarating aspect of StarCraft II eSports, and we’re always thrilled with the passion and ambition that our players bring to life with their events. Every organized competition has to start somewhere, and we’re pleased to share that we’ve made a few updates to our guidelines for running tournaments. If you plan on running a tournament with a prize pool of $10,000 USD or less, you may not need to obtain any further license from Blizzard.

Check out our updated Tournament Guidelines Document to find out how to run a license-free StarCraft II tournament, and ensure that your event runs as smoothly as possible. Or, if you prefer, this information can also be found on our World Championship Series portal.

Furthermore, if you have any questions or concerns about running your tournament, feel free to contact us at sc-tourneyinfo@blizzard.com.

Poll: Is this change enough?

No, Blizzard should go further (124)
 
74%

Yes (43)
 
26%

167 total votes

Your vote: Is this change enough?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No, Blizzard should go further



EDIT: Just to clarify, the license requirements for tournaments have always been there, they were just more stringent and complicated in the past, with a $5,000 cap.
XythOs
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
Germany520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 00:08:17
June 13 2013 00:08 GMT
#2
I like this change. Makes it easier for small scale (regional) tournaments to take place.
I would still love to see automated "ladder" tournaments taking place like in wc3. Did they say anything about that?(at some point)
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
June 13 2013 00:08 GMT
#3
10k is a lot for a non-license. Good news. Then again I'm not sure it was different than before?
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 00:10:22
June 13 2013 00:10 GMT
#4
On June 13 2013 09:08 XythOs wrote:
I like this change. Makes it easier for small scale (regional) tournaments to take place.
I would still love to see automated "ladder" tournaments taking place like in wc3. Did they say anything about that?(at some point)


We know players like that and It's on our list of things to do,among many other things., or something like that.... aka Coming soon (tm).
Jonanin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States23 Posts
June 13 2013 00:10 GMT
#5
This seems like enough to me. <$10k covers like 95% of all SC2 tournaments, so this change simplifies things for all but the big organizations that shouldn't have trouble obtaining licenses anyways.
asdf
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
June 13 2013 00:11 GMT
#6
So, now you need a license if you want to broadcast on anything but twitch...or do any of those other things.

o k ..
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 13 2013 00:11 GMT
#7
What does "Blizzard should go further" mean lol?
Obviously, we always need more, right?...
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 13 2013 00:13 GMT
#8
On June 13 2013 09:08 ssg wrote:
10k is a lot for a non-license. Good news. Then again I'm not sure it was different than before?

iirc, it has been that for a long time.

Simplified application looks nice, only about 1.5 pages, seems relatively straightforward.
Endall
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
June 13 2013 00:17 GMT
#9
I believe I remember hearing, don't quote me on this, that TotalBiscuit said when he was doing the ShoutCraft Invitationals that it was anything over 5k. No sources. Just my brain recalling what could possibly be what it used to.

-Aaron
No reply.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 00:21:25
June 13 2013 00:20 GMT
#10
On June 13 2013 09:17 Endall wrote:
I believe I remember hearing, don't quote me on this, that TotalBiscuit said when he was doing the ShoutCraft Invitationals that it was anything over 5k. No sources. Just my brain recalling what could possibly be what it used to.

-Aaron

thats the reason why shoutcrafts had 5k pricepool and added the donations to players

-galacticpresidentsuperstarmcawesomeville
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
June 13 2013 00:27 GMT
#11
Nice that they simplified it. But I am surprised that all tournaments have to be broadcasted on Twitch.

"Should the tournament organizer wish to broadcast the tournament online, the tournament
must be broadcast on Twitch;"
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bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
June 13 2013 00:28 GMT
#12
On June 13 2013 09:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
So, now you need a license if you want to broadcast on anything but twitch...or do any of those other things.

o k ..
Yeah, that really sucks actually. Nice monopoly, bro. Some of the other restrictions are pretty weird too, considering they're applying them to literally any tournament anyone tries to put on with SC2.
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
June 13 2013 00:30 GMT
#13
On June 13 2013 09:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
So, now you need a license if you want to broadcast on anything but twitch...or do any of those other things.

o k ..

Battle.net stream integration incoming.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 13 2013 00:43 GMT
#14
Should the tournament organizer wish to broadcast the tournament online, the tournament
must be broadcast on Twitch

Hello azubu.tv. Goodbye azubu.tv.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
June 13 2013 00:47 GMT
#15
I don't want to vote, there should be a third option like "this is a good start, but Blizzard should continue to do more" because that's how I feel.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 13 2013 00:53 GMT
#16
On June 13 2013 09:43 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
Should the tournament organizer wish to broadcast the tournament online, the tournament
must be broadcast on Twitch

Hello azubu.tv. Goodbye azubu.tv.


need to get the competition authorities involved, damn monopolies.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
June 13 2013 00:55 GMT
#17
On June 13 2013 09:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
So, now you need a license if you want to broadcast on anything but twitch...or do any of those other things.

o k ..


It does not say you can't stream trough other sites, it just says that, in addition, you have to have a Twitch stream for it.
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thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
June 13 2013 00:56 GMT
#18
On June 13 2013 09:47 Jampackedeon wrote:
I don't want to vote, there should be a third option like "this is a good start, but Blizzard should continue to do more" because that's how I feel.

That Fits "no, blizz should go further" I think what you really want is a different question for the poll?

The poll asks is this change enough? nothing about if you likr the current change or not. It assumes everyone will have at least somewhat positive feelings on this (I'm sure a few people will find a reason to hate blizz) kinda pointless poll in my opinion, don't think any poll is required for this but anyway..

glad blizz is trying to make it easier I just hope this actually helps overall competition instead of stifling it, the more good tourneys there are the more incentive each tourney has to be better than the other and their previous selves
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Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
June 13 2013 00:57 GMT
#19
This is an improvement but they need to go further. I hope we'll see Shoutcraft come back, though the boat has probably sailed for the NASL
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 13 2013 01:26 GMT
#20
Why can't anyone host any good damn tournament they choose with any god damn amount, why do we have to have this blizzard wall.
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
June 13 2013 01:35 GMT
#21
On June 13 2013 09:11 ZenithM wrote:
What does "Blizzard should go further" mean lol?
Obviously, we always need more, right?...

They could ...

- get rid of license requirements for everything ... they should not be trying to make a profit from a game which they sold to us, since it is the players and the community who make it great. They can host their own tournaments and profit from sponsors that way. The whole licensing thing is just the next step of "gamers only buying the permission of the publisher to play the game" instead of actually owning the game copy itself.

- help and support small tournaments out of the goodness of their hearts and pure enthusiasm

Since Blizzard started designing Starcraft 2 as a huge eSports title first and foremost instead of a fun game for everyone they have had a bad focus for balancing the units and the general mechanics. The game is actually on the brink of becoming too complex and too fast for casual or lower level players ... which is bad, because it will not make it a good selling game ... well it shouldnt, but Blizzard will get away with it due to fanboys not realizing that the game is going down that route and that they are not going to enjoy it.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 01:42:44
June 13 2013 01:35 GMT
#22
On June 13 2013 09:55 quirinus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
So, now you need a license if you want to broadcast on anything but twitch...or do any of those other things.

o k ..


It does not say you can't stream trough other sites, it just says that, in addition, you have to have a Twitch stream for it.


You read it how I read it, but something tells me it's not what Blizzard meant. I think they mean it can only be broadcast using Twitch.

edit: Actually, having read the exclusion of TV broadcast, I'm going to infer that Blizzard is ok with streaming from whatever site, as long as it's also on Twitch.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 13 2013 01:45 GMT
#23
Should the tournament organizer wish to broadcast the tournament online, the tournament
must be broadcast on Twitch;

wtf is this bullshit
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 01:58:13
June 13 2013 01:54 GMT
#24
The twitch thing is probably due to the fact that:

a) who uses anything other than twitch these days anyways?
b) its the most robust streaming platform
c) blizz have a relationship with them already
d) they want sc2 to be up the top of the list on twitch, where 99% of gamers get their content already....

I could keep going. If you want to stream on another platform too, that seems to be ok but it would make sense for them to say "this is our preferred broadcasting platform, you must offer a twitch stream" and I don't see how anyone can complain. Who is watching their sc2 on other platforms anyways? Except maybe the gom player?

Its all about exposing sc2 the best they can, why the fuck would anyone complain about having to use twitch? its the best and easiest streaming platform I've found, they give great partner deals, they already have over 90% of the gamer streaming market locked up.

People will bitch about anything, I bet everyone who is saying "this twitch thing is bs" watches 99% of their sc2, dota, lol etc on twitch and are very happy about it. Some people just need to find fault with something, and you are all pathetic tbh
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada648 Posts
June 13 2013 02:04 GMT
#25
LOL, After 2 years of holding events without a blizzard license blizzard finally does away with the requirement.

Completely unenforceable laws are not laws at all.

For context; I have been holding tournaments in the 20-50 person range almost monthly since the release of Wol, never ever got a license. lol
Battousai13
Profile Joined September 2010
United States638 Posts
June 13 2013 02:12 GMT
#26
If it weren't for Blizzard's initial reigns over SC2 tournament rights, GOM would not be here, presently.
Anyone that laments about Blizzard's hold on tournament rights should keep that in mind.
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 03:03:13
June 13 2013 03:02 GMT
#27
On June 13 2013 09:28 bduddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
So, now you need a license if you want to broadcast on anything but twitch...or do any of those other things.

o k ..
Yeah, that really sucks actually. Nice monopoly, bro. Some of the other restrictions are pretty weird too, considering they're applying them to literally any tournament anyone tries to put on with SC2.


Luckily twitch is the best broadcasting service around, monopoly or not, it's like complaining about googles overlapping monopoly they're slowly forming in market share (I.E search engine which still has something obscene like 85% market share last I checked)

On June 13 2013 11:04 Gofarman wrote:
LOL, After 2 years of holding events without a blizzard license blizzard finally does away with the requirement.

Completely unenforceable laws are not laws at all.

For context; I have been holding tournaments in the 20-50 person range almost monthly since the release of Wol, never ever got a license. lol


It was for larger tournaments, one's that they could take a reasonable cut on. Anyone of those small scale tournaments ever have a prize pool? A prize pool even over 100 USD? 1,000 USD?

There's why. Small fish don't matter, sorry ;(
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33677 Posts
June 13 2013 03:04 GMT
#28
doesn't millenium do all their stuff on dailymotion?
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VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
June 13 2013 03:53 GMT
#29
Blizzard should simply stay out of tournament organization. Korean eSports started and grew with communities evolving into independent organizations out of Blizzard's control. Blizzard trying to direct things is gimping such growth in other regions.

Focus on creating a good game that people enjoy. Support with sponsorships if you wish to. But let players organize and determine how to play the game.
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
June 13 2013 04:01 GMT
#30
On June 13 2013 09:20 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:17 Endall wrote:
I believe I remember hearing, don't quote me on this, that TotalBiscuit said when he was doing the ShoutCraft Invitationals that it was anything over 5k. No sources. Just my brain recalling what could possibly be what it used to.

-Aaron

thats the reason why shoutcrafts had 5k pricepool and added the donations to players

-galacticpresidentsuperstarmcawesomeville


I'm glad they don't count donations as part of the tournament winnings. Also rewards players who cater to their fan base.

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DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 04:20:04
June 13 2013 04:19 GMT
#31
Bluzzard is finding out that having a stranglehold on the community is not helping their cause in making SC2 the number one competitive game. It's a good change obviously, but I'm only happy with having the cap exist in the first place if they would just get their butt into gear and finally add LAN.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
June 13 2013 04:55 GMT
#32
On June 13 2013 13:01 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:20 teddyoojo wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:17 Endall wrote:
I believe I remember hearing, don't quote me on this, that TotalBiscuit said when he was doing the ShoutCraft Invitationals that it was anything over 5k. No sources. Just my brain recalling what could possibly be what it used to.

-Aaron

thats the reason why shoutcrafts had 5k pricepool and added the donations to players

-galacticpresidentsuperstarmcawesomeville


I'm glad they don't count donations as part of the tournament winnings. Also rewards players who cater to their fan base.

-ISIGNSTUFFWITHMYREALNAMEONTHEINTERWEBZINSTEADOFMYFORUMNAME


Be that as it may, I think TotalBisquits idea for doing the donation thing was a great move in the right direction to supporting players. I dont know if the really small prize pool limitation was the reason for the "Tip Jars", or if it was something else, but it was a good idea, imo. It really let you BE PART OF IT, which is what eSportSz is all about.

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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
June 13 2013 05:08 GMT
#33
Does this apply for SSL and BW or jsut SCII?
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
June 13 2013 05:21 GMT
#34
On June 13 2013 14:08 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Does this apply for SSL and BW or jsut SCII?

It specifies SC2 at three different points, but this is still a good question despite that, actually.

If Blizzard ever decided to enforce rules for smaller tournaments hosting BW, I'd imagine they would pretty much be identical.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 15 2013 14:28 GMT
#35
On June 13 2013 13:55 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 13:01 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:20 teddyoojo wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:17 Endall wrote:
I believe I remember hearing, don't quote me on this, that TotalBiscuit said when he was doing the ShoutCraft Invitationals that it was anything over 5k. No sources. Just my brain recalling what could possibly be what it used to.

-Aaron

thats the reason why shoutcrafts had 5k pricepool and added the donations to players

-galacticpresidentsuperstarmcawesomeville


I'm glad they don't count donations as part of the tournament winnings. Also rewards players who cater to their fan base.

-ISIGNSTUFFWITHMYREALNAMEONTHEINTERWEBZINSTEADOFMYFORUMNAME


Be that as it may, I think TotalBisquits idea for doing the donation thing was a great move in the right direction to supporting players. I dont know if the really small prize pool limitation was the reason for the "Tip Jars", or if it was something else, but it was a good idea, imo. It really let you BE PART OF IT, which is what eSportSz is all about.

-XxWAXANGEL420xX


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