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On June 10 2013 09:35 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:34 Caihead wrote:On June 10 2013 09:31 GolemMadness wrote: I wish that instead of all this WCS stuff we just had GSL and OSL running at the same time like OSL and MSL. Unless they ran side by side which would be a competition for ratings how would you match them up enough to where you can run a WCS world finals after each season. Also then people in Korea would be able to get two times the WCS points, potentially making the WCS world finals all Korea contestants. Unless they decrease or make one of them invalid sources of WCS points, in which case why would players play in them when it's already harder competition. Which is why I said instead of all this WCS stuff. I'd much prefer WCS to be something completely separate like it was last year.
I'm glad they have WCS stuff going on in other regions. Just wish they would get China and Oceania going.
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I would rather have WCS run by one of them GLS/OSL, and the other one being a lesser event maybe like a tier 1 event, ala dreamhack
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First things first please! :D DH and HSC incoming!
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Of course OGN is only going to run the OSL/Premier League - they only have Tuesday and Thursday's free on the schedule these days - days where GSL played their Code S games. Situation is much like ESL and that other company where the other company does Challenger League only and ESL does Premier League.
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wait...is auction all-kill run by the same people as proleague?
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On June 10 2013 09:56 probeater wrote: wait...is auction all-kill run by the same people as proleague?
Sort of but not really, some of the Proleague games are held at the OGN studio but Kespa and IEG are the main people behind Proleague. For OSL It's entirely OGN.
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As far as I understand it (for those who are confused I guess)...
Who is running/producing Premiere League (Code S) this season? OGN, under the name of the Auction All-Kill OnGameNet StarLeague 2013.
Who is running/producing Challenger League (Code A) this season? GOM. Source
Why? Because OGN has a packed schedule already, so they can't afford to manage and broadcast all of Code S and Code A this season.
Who is casting Code S this season? Primarily DoA and Montecristo, with an alternative GOM stream featuring Tasteless and Artosis.
Who is casting Code A this season? Primarily Wolf and Khaldor, probably with an alternative OGN stream featuring DoA and Montecristo.
What is the format of Code S? I read somewhere a few weeks back that the OSL would be the same format as the GSL from now on, and not the traditional OSL format with DT Ro32 and RR Ro16 all bo1s, but now I don't know. One or the other.
What is the format of Code A? Same as always.
Why? Because that's what was agreed upon by Blizzard, GOM and OGN regarding how WCS KR would be run.
Who handles the Qualifiers (Code B)? GOM, with an english casual cast on-site like there was last season, again provided by Wolf and Khaldor. Source
What about the season after this? It goes back to 100% GOM run and is back under the GSL name, just like it was this most recent season.
What about GSTL, SPL and the other leagues like OGN The Champions and World of Tanks Asia Open? They are all completely unaffected.
Will there be a 4th GSL this year? They promised four! No, one of the promised GSLs has been replaced by this OSL, as part of the agreement made with Blizzard and OGN regarding the running of WCS Korea. GOM's plans to do 4 GSLs was before the details/arrangements for WCS were made.
Why do the Koreans kinda act like they are two completely different leagues? Well presumably it's because of the long history of the OSL/GSL being different things. That's why this OSL specifically is the only thing that counts toward OGN's Golden Mouse awards, and why this season does not count toward GOM's NesTea award.
Any questions?
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I don't know if anybody knows the answer to this but is GomTV still going to be running 4 GSL this year like promised at the beginning? I mean I paid for all the GSL this year I hope this new agreement doesn't mean I paid for one less GSL in the end.
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On June 10 2013 10:10 ColtraneL wrote: I don't know if anybody knows the answer to this but is GomTV still going to be running 4 GSL this year like promised at the beginning? I mean I paid for all the GSL this year I hope this new agreement doesn't mean I paid for one less GSL in the end.
There will only be 3 GSLs this year. The 3rd GSL has been replaced in part but the OSL; I've edited my post above.
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On June 10 2013 09:34 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:31 GolemMadness wrote: I wish that instead of all this WCS stuff we just had GSL and OSL running at the same time like OSL and MSL. Unless they ran side by side which would be a competition for ratings how would you match them up enough to where you can run a WCS world finals after each season. Also then people in Korea would be able to get two times the WCS points, potentially making the WCS world finals all Korea contestants. Unless they decrease or make one of them invalid sources of WCS points, in which case why would players play in them when it's already harder competition.
Each event could take turn to be counted for WCS. So if OSL Summer is in the circuit, GSL Summer may just be a non-ranking Starleague, vice-versa for the fall season. Provided that they dont have trouble finding sponsor on their own, that would be the best case scenario imo
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On June 10 2013 10:23 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:34 Caihead wrote:On June 10 2013 09:31 GolemMadness wrote: I wish that instead of all this WCS stuff we just had GSL and OSL running at the same time like OSL and MSL. Unless they ran side by side which would be a competition for ratings how would you match them up enough to where you can run a WCS world finals after each season. Also then people in Korea would be able to get two times the WCS points, potentially making the WCS world finals all Korea contestants. Unless they decrease or make one of them invalid sources of WCS points, in which case why would players play in them when it's already harder competition. Each event could take turn to be counted for WCS. So if OSL Summer is in the circuit, GSL Summer may just be a non-ranking Starleague, vice-versa for the fall season. Provided that they dont have trouble finding sponsor on their own, that would be the best case scenario imo
There's also the other issue of no other tournaments during WCS broadcasts. Gom and OGN probably already have a hard enough time trying to schedule everything with their other programs (i.e. GSTL, WoT, LoL. etc.). Adding another tournament into the mix won't make things any better.
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On June 10 2013 09:54 GTR wrote: Of course OGN is only going to run the OSL/Premier League - they only have Tuesday and Thursday's free on the schedule these days - days where GSL played their Code S games. Situation is much like ESL and that other company where the other company does Challenger League only and ESL does Premier League.
uhhhh ESL runs both
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On June 10 2013 10:11 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:10 ColtraneL wrote: I don't know if anybody knows the answer to this but is GomTV still going to be running 4 GSL this year like promised at the beginning? I mean I paid for all the GSL this year I hope this new agreement doesn't mean I paid for one less GSL in the end. There will only be 3 GSLs this year. The 3rd GSL has been replaced in part but the OSL; I've edited my post above.
Well played Gom, you made me pay more than 20 dollars a GSL this year ... It is kinda strange that you can do whatever you want in Esports despite having made people pay already.
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On June 10 2013 10:01 MCXD wrote: Why do the Koreans act like they are two completely different leagues then!? No idea, but they do. Presumably it's because of tensions between GOM and OGN (which still exist to a very significant degree, according to DoA) and a history of the OSL/MSL being different things. That's why this OSL specifically is the only thing that counts toward OGN's Golden Mouse awards, and why this season does not count toward GOM's NesTea award.
Any questions?
I wouldn't interpret it that way, creating extra tension between GomTV and OGN.
The actual explanation is that Blizzard is throwing GomTV and OGN a bone by allowing them to keep their Code S/Starleague branding even though they have forced them to work within the WCS framework when running individual leagues.
Koreans don't act like it's two completely different leagues - it's two leagues with long histories continuing their legacies within the WCS system.
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I wish Rain wasnt in Code S 
It would be hilarious if the top 4 from last OSL werent even in this one
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On June 10 2013 11:25 ColtraneL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:11 MCXD wrote:On June 10 2013 10:10 ColtraneL wrote: I don't know if anybody knows the answer to this but is GomTV still going to be running 4 GSL this year like promised at the beginning? I mean I paid for all the GSL this year I hope this new agreement doesn't mean I paid for one less GSL in the end. There will only be 3 GSLs this year. The 3rd GSL has been replaced in part but the OSL; I've edited my post above. Well played Gom, you made me pay more than 20 dollars a GSL this year ... It is kinda strange that you can do whatever you want in Esports despite having made people pay already.
That wasn't GomTV's decision; they woulda held 4 GSLs this year if not for WCS
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On June 10 2013 11:29 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:25 ColtraneL wrote:On June 10 2013 10:11 MCXD wrote:On June 10 2013 10:10 ColtraneL wrote: I don't know if anybody knows the answer to this but is GomTV still going to be running 4 GSL this year like promised at the beginning? I mean I paid for all the GSL this year I hope this new agreement doesn't mean I paid for one less GSL in the end. There will only be 3 GSLs this year. The 3rd GSL has been replaced in part but the OSL; I've edited my post above. Well played Gom, you made me pay more than 20 dollars a GSL this year ... It is kinda strange that you can do whatever you want in Esports despite having made people pay already. That wasn't GomTV's decision; they woulda held 4 GSLs this year if not for WCS
I know, I'm aware of this, that's why I'm trying not to be as bitter as I would like to. Still, they could give us something in return. I don't know, maybe at least free VODs for WCS finals. But I guess it's completely useless to discuss this over here.
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On June 10 2013 09:28 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:23 Caihead wrote:On June 10 2013 09:16 ayaz2810 wrote:On June 10 2013 08:43 iyasq8 wrote: ohh god this is really confusing just call them 1 name T.T I agree with this. I'm already fuckin' confused.... WCS Korea will alternate between gomtv's GSL Code S and OnGameNet's OSL (this time hosted by auction and named auction all kill). It's not that complicated -_- Is OGN running Challenger League/Code A? Pretty big lack of details IMO. If you read the thread, you would see that OGN is not running code A.
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so OSL is back! good to hear :>
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On June 10 2013 10:11 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:10 ColtraneL wrote: I don't know if anybody knows the answer to this but is GomTV still going to be running 4 GSL this year like promised at the beginning? I mean I paid for all the GSL this year I hope this new agreement doesn't mean I paid for one less GSL in the end. There will only be 3 GSLs this year. The 3rd GSL has been replaced in part but the OSL; I've edited my post above. there's also a hot6ix cup at the end of the year afaik
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