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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
May 30 2013 20:07 GMT
#281
Wow... that is huge! But I somehow feel sorry for Karont3, these two were the clans figurehead.
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
May 30 2013 20:09 GMT
#282
K3 is so screwed in the rest of the ATC
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
May 30 2013 20:09 GMT
#283
OMG that's fucking awesome!!!!! Great pickup!
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 30 2013 20:10 GMT
#284
mousesports now is the strongest foreign team by far... o.o
Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
May 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#285
Woah o.O feel kind of sorry for Karonte, but great for the Moreno brothers. Hope to see them really improve!
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
May 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#286
Very nice. Great pickup and great fit.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
May 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#287
Nice
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
May 30 2013 20:19 GMT
#288
Congratz to the Spanish Armada and to Mousesports for this pickup.

hope to see mousesports restored to its former glory, back in early and mid WoL! Great pickup, and the mousesports lineup looks great!
MagmaPunch
Profile Joined November 2011
Bulgaria536 Posts
May 30 2013 20:21 GMT
#289
Holy fuck! This is actually huge. Mouz is really gonna become a powerhouse now. Congratz !!!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 30 2013 20:23 GMT
#290
On May 31 2013 04:57 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 04:51 IcookTacos wrote:
Damn, that's quite possibly the best pickup they could get. Gz for Vortix and Lucifron, and ofc Mousesports.


Meh, they should had hired Jürgen " de Mvp" Kummer.

mouzMVP... genius.
Hermanoid
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden213 Posts
May 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#291
On May 31 2013 03:38 JayJay_90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote:
"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.

I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world.


Your argument that "modern gaming history" can go far back doesn't make the statement less hyperbolic. The wider the time-spectrum, the bolder the statement becomes. If we go back to the release of SC2, they'd have to trump an innumerable amount of rosters. Liquid with HuK in his prime on it, EG during Puma's killing spree, Fnatic during their Korea-endeavor, present Liquid, present EG, Root, Axiom and Acer whom all have koreans in the roster, not to mention every korean team in SC2 history, out of which some examples are IM when Nestea and MVP were as most dominant, NSHoseo while their racial trio (Sage, Seal and Sculp) were performing well, SlayerS before they dissolved, Startale during Parting/Squirtle...

The new Mouz are all arguably weaker than these ~10 historical/present teams. I think you can agree that they are definately weaker than atleast 7 of these and I didn't even touch on present korean teams. You can see that the statement of "...one of the strongest in history.." clearly becomes absolutely obsolete.

All in all, I'm just tired of all these pseudo-epic announcements =) That's the point I want to make. I even said (albeit in a fancy way) that I don't expect there to be a completely honest announcement ever. While nothing in them can be deemed outright incorrect because of the amount of ways in which things can be interpreted, nothing makes me want to follow a team with announcements like this. They're the eptiome of epitome-abuse.

...finally, someone pointed out that Mana does have accomplishments. That's right, I overlooked him. He even won Dreamhack, which is almost as huge as it gets in the foreign scene. None of the players other than Mana have any major accomplishments, however. The closest would be Hasu, who finished in Ro4 in TSL... in 2011.
xyzåäö
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 20:26:05
May 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#292
Karont3 e-SportsClub
‏@Karont3_Club
@Based_Drakea Salimos de todas las competiciones por equipos.


"We leave all team leagues."

(Or I'm awful at translating)

Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
May 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#293
LolvsxD leaves Karont3 as well

Bad day for Spain
<3 Rain
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
May 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#294
On May 31 2013 03:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
what what what


Love that goblin zeppelin :D
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Neomatrix
Profile Joined October 2012
Spain33 Posts
May 30 2013 20:30 GMT
#295
Germany never has enough...
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
May 30 2013 20:31 GMT
#296
Holy crap this is awesome..


Mouz fighting <3
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
May 30 2013 20:31 GMT
#297
Mouz has always been one of my favorite foreigner teams back in the days of Morrow, Thorzain and Bigs. The roster has long changed since, but with the additions of Vortix and Lucifron the team is rising up to be one of my favorites once again!
Spread your eggs until they crack!
LaG.Gaming
Profile Joined April 2011
United States288 Posts
May 30 2013 20:31 GMT
#298
so whtas gonna happen to the Duran brother that was running K3?is he gonna join his brothers in Mouz as management?
LaGGaming.net // Money cant buy happiness, but can pay for the internet that is almost the same.
mouz.Wake
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden136 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 20:41:50
May 30 2013 20:34 GMT
#299
On May 31 2013 03:46 Boucot wrote:
By the way, does anyone know why mouz didn't send MaNa two matches in a row in TeamStory Cup ? Seems weird.


He did a toothsurgery right before we played Millenium and is in a lot of pain, we're not gonna let a player suffer through it. Don't worry about him though, he'll be fine soon(TM).

On May 31 2013 05:31 LaG.Gaming wrote:
so whtas gonna happen to the Duran brother that was running K3?is he gonna join his brothers in Mouz as management?

No, we're currently not looking for managers.
FORMER StarCraft II Team Manager for mousesports || @I_am_Wake
SpcteR
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain4 Posts
May 30 2013 20:35 GMT
#300
Karont3 close sc2 section, tomorrow will be the official statement.
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