On May 31 2013 05:35 SpcteR wrote:
Karont3 close sc2 section, tomorrow will be the official statement.
Karont3 close sc2 section, tomorrow will be the official statement.
Confirmed.
Yeah, hope they get paid.
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On May 31 2013 05:35 SpcteR wrote: Karont3 close sc2 section, tomorrow will be the official statement. Confirmed. Yeah, hope they get paid. | ||
oGsTrueSmug
England141 Posts
On May 31 2013 05:34 Wakerius wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2013 03:46 Boucot wrote: By the way, does anyone know why mouz didn't send MaNa two matches in a row in TeamStory Cup ? Seems weird. He did a toothsurgery right before we played Millenium and is in a lot of pain, we're not gonna let a player suffer through it. Don't worry about him though, he'll be fine soon(TM). Show nested quote + On May 31 2013 05:31 LaG.Gaming wrote: so whtas gonna happen to the Duran brother that was running K3?is he gonna join his brothers in Mouz as management? No, we're currently not looking for managers. He was very fine with this move and in fact encouraged the brothers to do it. Presumably K3 will be shutting down after this then, coupled with the other departures and their withdrawal from team leagues. Shame, pretty much the only place for homegrown talent in Spain to go without moving out of the country. | ||
faqqSen
Germany78 Posts
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JonathanMerklin
United States72 Posts
EDIT: Yep, reading the few posts before me now. Vipro is BM as hell but very solid, hope he gets picked up...and I love the Spanish scene. LolvsXD will probably go to Aprender. | ||
StarMoon
Canada682 Posts
I'm looking forward to Lucifron doing great things especially. | ||
mouz.Wake
Sweden136 Posts
On May 31 2013 05:25 Hermanoid wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2013 03:38 JayJay_90 wrote: On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote: "... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please. I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world. Your argument that "modern gaming history" can go far back doesn't make the statement less hyperbolic. The wider the time-spectrum, the bolder the statement becomes. If we go back to the release of SC2, they'd have to trump an innumerable amount of rosters. Liquid with HuK in his prime on it, EG during Puma's killing spree, Fnatic during their Korea-endeavor, present Liquid, present EG, Root, Axiom and Acer whom all have koreans in the roster, not to mention every korean team in SC2 history, out of which some examples are IM when Nestea and MVP were as most dominant, NSHoseo while their racial trio (Sage, Seal and Sculp) were performing well, SlayerS before they dissolved, Startale during Parting/Squirtle... The new Mouz are all arguably weaker than these ~10 historical/present teams. I think you can agree that they are definately weaker than atleast 7 of these and I didn't even touch on present korean teams. You can see that the statement of "...one of the strongest in history.." clearly becomes absolutely obsolete. All in all, I'm just tired of all these pseudo-epic announcements =) That's the point I want to make. I even said (albeit in a fancy way) that I don't expect there to be a completely honest announcement ever. While nothing in them can be deemed outright incorrect because of the amount of ways in which things can be interpreted, nothing makes me want to follow a team with announcements like this. They're the eptiome of epitome-abuse. ...finally, someone pointed out that Mana does have accomplishments. That's right, I overlooked him. He even won Dreamhack, which is almost as huge as it gets in the foreign scene. None of the players other than Mana have any major accomplishments, however. The closest would be Hasu, who finished in Ro4 in TSL... in 2011. You misinterpret the title, it says "LucifroN & VortiX join mousesports to form strongest StarCraft II division in franchise history" and it's been pointed out that the franchise in that quote is about OUR franchise (Mousesports Ltd.), not Sc2 as a whole. We're meaning that our Sc2 squad has never looked this strong before in the history of Mousesports. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Hermanoid
Sweden213 Posts
On May 31 2013 05:40 Wakerius wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2013 05:25 Hermanoid wrote: On May 31 2013 03:38 JayJay_90 wrote: On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote: "... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please. I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world. Your argument that "modern gaming history" can go far back doesn't make the statement less hyperbolic. The wider the time-spectrum, the bolder the statement becomes. If we go back to the release of SC2, they'd have to trump an innumerable amount of rosters. Liquid with HuK in his prime on it, EG during Puma's killing spree, Fnatic during their Korea-endeavor, present Liquid, present EG, Root, Axiom and Acer whom all have koreans in the roster, not to mention every korean team in SC2 history, out of which some examples are IM when Nestea and MVP were as most dominant, NSHoseo while their racial trio (Sage, Seal and Sculp) were performing well, SlayerS before they dissolved, Startale during Parting/Squirtle... The new Mouz are all arguably weaker than these ~10 historical/present teams. I think you can agree that they are definately weaker than atleast 7 of these and I didn't even touch on present korean teams. You can see that the statement of "...one of the strongest in history.." clearly becomes absolutely obsolete. All in all, I'm just tired of all these pseudo-epic announcements =) That's the point I want to make. I even said (albeit in a fancy way) that I don't expect there to be a completely honest announcement ever. While nothing in them can be deemed outright incorrect because of the amount of ways in which things can be interpreted, nothing makes me want to follow a team with announcements like this. They're the eptiome of epitome-abuse. ...finally, someone pointed out that Mana does have accomplishments. That's right, I overlooked him. He even won Dreamhack, which is almost as huge as it gets in the foreign scene. None of the players other than Mana have any major accomplishments, however. The closest would be Hasu, who finished in Ro4 in TSL... in 2011. You misinterpret the title, it says "LucifroN & VortiX join mousesports to form strongest StarCraft II division in franchise history" and it's been pointed out that the franchise in that quote is about OUR franchise (Mousesports Ltd.), not Sc2 as a whole. We're meaning that our Sc2 squad has never looked this strong before in the history of Mousesports. Read your statement again, line 2. You go beyond SC2, expanding into "RTS". I guess we should count in WC3 too... | ||
Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
Sick line up.. | ||
Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
Héctor Calvo @H_Calvo 8min @McRiggins_Game @LoLvsxDD Cerramos el equipo de SC2, un saludo. They close the SC2 team. Sad day indeed. | ||
WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
Still, mousesports is a large org. Hopefully this will prove to be a professional improvement for our dear duo of top european players. | ||
GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote: Why ? Please, I just want to know why ? I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad. VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners. But now, this pick just ruined everything. The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again... I think they wanted a good functioning team. Not the money. And with HasuObs and MaNa they probably got the best teammates out there in the SC world. | ||
jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On May 31 2013 05:50 TBO wrote: really bad timing with Acer Teamstory Cup being so close to the playoffs. I wonder why they did not switch after it finishes or finish it regardless ( I mean Mousesports will not be qualified for the playoffs anyways so what would it hurt). We are not close to the playoffs in fact, we aren't even at the half, there is a second round. | ||
Chaper
Spain45 Posts
![]() gl to the brothers, i will follow no matter the team. | ||
zul
Germany5427 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:35 SinCitta wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote: That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far. There is something fishy in this transfer. mousesports is Germany's top clan but didn't have a top team since their CS 1.6 flagship has gone. I think their other teams (Dota2, LoL?) aren't doing so well. They can't just do nothing, so I guess they started investing. ... I can`t speak for the LoL Team, but mouz` Dota2 squad is fearsome. They can (and already have) beat every top tier team out there. | ||
Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
Very happy that they got the super mario bros. | ||
Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
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