EG, Team Liquid, and ROOT Gaming, along with OneMoreGame.TV and the Dota 2 League have launched a week-long offer with Papa John's, one of the world's most well-known pizza companies. This is the first time a company like Papa John's is looking into our area of competitive games and teams.
The promotion, which starts today and lasts until May 27th, offers eSports fans in the US 50% off Papa John's pizza, and includes unlockable esports Tiers: crowd-sourced goals, similar to those in Valve's TI Compendium, that can be reached by the community.
Tier 1 - 25 Papa John's gift cards given to fans who've purchased pizza Tier 2 - 25 Legendary LoL Skins or D2L Ticket/Courier Bundles to fans who've purchased pizza Tier 3 - 25 EG or TL mousepads given to fans who've purchased pizza Tier 4 - 25 EG, Liquid, or ROOT shirts to fans who've purchased pizza Tier 5 - EG, Liquid, or ROOT players (selected by community) will conduct a series of live, on-stream AMAs Tier 6 - EG, Liquid, and ROOT cross-game showmatches Tier 7 - EG pizza eating contest between Machine, HuK, and DeMusliM casted by djWHEAT Tier 8 - iNcontroL and TLO will switch teams for a week and act as head coaches in an EG vs. Liquid off-race showmatch Tier 9 - EG.LoL will film a special music video cover, with the song selected by the community Tier 10 - EG, Liquid, and ROOT will host a community pizza party at an upcoming North American live event
LOL this is amazing, I remember catz constantly tweeting at pap johns and i think it was on sotg that he said he was hoping to get them on as a sponsor.
There's actually a Papa Johns which opened recently in Bath which me and my friends started using. Really really good shit shame I can't use orders from there to support it .
that is so cool~! especially the eg vs liquid off race showmatch my only question would probably be that their would not be any reward for starcraft? i mean the mousepad is just a general yes, LoL has skins and etc. but overall pretty cool
haha, I thought the PJ meter in the upper right was a joke at first . . . now the truth is revealed. Wow. Well, guess I'll be getting some cheap pizza!
I'm having Pizza every day now. It's totally awesome that it's doable too, since you get 50% off. It's ACTUALLY a good deal, not just an awesome promo.
It really is too bad that John Schattner is such an asshole, because this actually is a great idea. I don't like my eSports pizza with republican propaganda as a topping though.
T.T no delivery in my area.... I was just thinking what I wanted to eat for dinner saw this thread got excited was like fuck yaa Get food save E-sports.. Now I'm hungry and sad D:
On May 21 2013 04:14 .swz. wrote: after all that fiasco with the obamacare? Papa John can go to hell
Yeah, that's kind of my opinion. Good for eSports that something as mainstream as a pizza chain is looking to get involved, but the douchetool CEO can go to Hell.
Guys Papa johns is a shit company that is run by republican nuts. They threaten to fire workers, reduce wages and race prices if Obama was re-elected. They lie about it and said it's because of obamacare which is totally full of lies. Don't support this company and hope it bankrupts.
Shit the closest Papa John's is like 45 min from me and they don't deliver in my area... Looks like I'm gonna be driving an hour and a half for takeout this week!
On May 21 2013 04:23 Trumpstyle wrote: Guys Papa johns is a shit company that is run by republican nuts. They threaten to fire workers, reduce wages and race prices if Obama was re-elected. They lie about it and said it's because of obamacare which is totally full of lies. Don't support this company and hope it bankrupts.
On May 21 2013 04:24 DodgySmalls wrote: Canada wants some 50% off pizza deals as well, alas we cannot taste the delicious freedom of america. (insert kappa here)
Shoutouts to papajohns for getting into esports though, a bold move!
It says NA not USA? Or does Canada not really have Papa Johns?
Why is Tier 8 - iNcontroL and TLO will switch teams for a week and act as head coaches in an EG vs. Liquid off-race showmatch on the list? You guys should do that regardless because it's fun and buzzworthy when it comes to content filler. You should make it well-documented with trailers and all that jazz too.
On May 21 2013 04:23 Trumpstyle wrote: Guys Papa johns is a shit company that is run by republican nuts. They threaten to fire workers, reduce wages and race prices if Obama was re-elected. They lie about it and said it's because of obamacare which is totally full of lies. Don't support this company and hope it bankrupts.
On May 21 2013 04:32 Juggernaut477 wrote: I find it humorous that people are bashing the CEO so much, while on a forum for an Activision game.
activision threatened to fire its staff if obama was elected because it didnt want to give them benefits that most of the developed world takes for granted?
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
If any canadians or europeans really want to help esports but cant because it's 'merica only, PM me and ill send you my address and you can pay for my pizza to be delivered! Do it for esports!
On May 21 2013 04:32 Juggernaut477 wrote: I find it humorous that people are bashing the CEO so much, while on a forum for an Activision game.
activision threatened to fire its staff if obama was elected because it didnt want to give them benefits that most of the developed world takes for granted?
Well, I cancelled my plans to buy TL gear. Kind of expected this from EG but not TL. Oh well. Probably still get a pennant since I like their dota 2 team.
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
It probably won't be at a loss even with 50% off. It really dose not cost alot to make a pizza with how bulk buy and processing works.
On May 21 2013 04:37 BreakfastBurrito wrote: If any canadians or europeans really want to help esports but cant because it's 'merica only, PM me and ill send you my address and you can pay for my pizza to be delivered! Do it for esports!
i would also like to sacrifice myself for esports and give my address if any1 wanna support esports and get the pizzas here DONT KILL ESPORTS!
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
People here do everything if you write esports on it.
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
Pecunia non olet.
When has papa johns spoken out against gay marriage?
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
It probably won't be at a loss even with 50% off. It really dose not cost alot to make a pizza with how bulk buy and processing works.
You can't honestly believe that they have such an insanely massive profit margin on their product to still be making a profit after taking 50% off the unit price?
I can't believe that the communities response to a major american company taking an interest in esports is to start bashing said company... really guys?
Gj TL/EG/ROOT on getting sponsors so that we can all watch pro starcraft, community intensives are a bonus.
On May 21 2013 04:47 dogmeatstew wrote: I can't believe that the communities response to a major american company taking an interest in esports is to start bashing said company... really guys?
Gj TL/EG/ROOT on getting sponsors so that we can all watch pro starcraft, community intensives are a bonus.
So please tell me where your line of an acceptable cross-marketing deal is? I am quite sure you have one too. Mine is crossed by this one already. Yours might not be, but I am sure there is a line for you too.
*sigh* I am gonna get SO fat now. I need to give credit to EG LoL (Snoopeh's stare makes me swoon), the TL Community, and EG.Machine. That's 3 pizzas every time I wanna support this thing.
Although seriously combining esports and cheap pizza has got to be the best idea I've ever heard of.
Edit: When can we start voting on that EG LoL music cover? I would like to propose they perform "The Boys" by Nicki Minaj and Cassie.
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
Pecunia non olet.
When has papa johns spoken out against gay marriage?
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
Pecunia non olet.
You're quite the unreasonable and unrational person.
On May 21 2013 04:23 Trumpstyle wrote: Guys Papa johns is a shit company that is run by republican nuts. They threaten to fire workers, reduce wages and race prices if Obama was re-elected. They lie about it and said it's because of obamacare which is totally full of lies. Don't support this company and hope it bankrupts.
Is it worth mentioning that the CEO did this while living in a castle? Like, an actual castle?
Haha, yeah. I remember seeing a picture of the guys mansion on reddit, and he owns like 20 cars or some shit. This is a guy who wanted to deny all Papa John workers basic healthcare...what a great guy.
I mean, I think it's great that more companies are getting involved in esports but this is a company I can't and won't support....their pizza is terrible on top of all that.
I am but a young boy and know little of the ways of advertising, but isn't EG/TL/ROOT all pushing people to buy Pizza just going to artificially inflate Papa John's numbers from this? Won't it look bad when things (I assume) slow down a lot afterwards?
On May 21 2013 04:23 Trumpstyle wrote: Guys Papa johns is a shit company that is run by republican nuts. They threaten to fire workers, reduce wages and race prices if Obama was re-elected. They lie about it and said it's because of obamacare which is totally full of lies. Don't support this company and hope it bankrupts.
Is it worth mentioning that the CEO did this while living in a castle? Like, an actual castle?
Haha, yeah. I remember seeing a picture of the guys mansion on reddit, and he owns like 20 cars or some shit. This is a guy who wanted to deny all Papa John workers basic healthcare...what a great guy.
I mean, I think it's great that more companies are getting involved in esports this is a company I can't and won't support....their pizza is terrible on top of all that.
Not wanting to be forced to supply it and wanting to deny them it are two completely different things. I'm sure he would have no problems with people buying private healthcare...
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
It probably won't be at a loss even with 50% off. It really dose not cost alot to make a pizza with how bulk buy and processing works.
You can't honestly believe that they have such an insanely massive profit margin on their product to still be making a profit after taking 50% off the unit price?
Their large cheese pizza is $12. I can buy a fat bag of cheese, a 5lb bag of flour, yeast, and tomato sauce for about 12 bucks at the grocery store and I can probably make 3 large pizzas with that kind of material. Papa John's is definitely buying in bulk, which makes it even cheaper to make their pizzas, I would venture to say it'd cost them like $3 bucks to make a pizza which means they're still turning a 100% profit even with the 50% off deal.
On May 21 2013 04:41 mahrgell wrote: And why is this stuff in community news? Advertisement campaigns can stay in the sponsored tab.
Its team liquids own site it can do what it wants with its site.
And we can complain about it, what do you think teamliquid would be teamliquid without it's community? I'm not really a fan of this.. can't get 50% off pizza and that counter up in the corner looks atrocious :p
On May 21 2013 04:41 mahrgell wrote: And why is this stuff in community news? Advertisement campaigns can stay in the sponsored tab.
Its team liquids own site it can do what it wants with its site.
And we can complain about it, what do you think teamliquid would be teamliquid without it's community? I'm not really a fan of this.. can't get 50% off pizza and that counter up in the corner looks atrocious :p
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
Pecunia non olet.
You're quite the unreasonable and unrational person.
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
It probably won't be at a loss even with 50% off. It really dose not cost alot to make a pizza with how bulk buy and processing works.
You can't honestly believe that they have such an insanely massive profit margin on their product to still be making a profit after taking 50% off the unit price?
Their large cheese pizza is $12. I can buy a fat bag of cheese, a 5lb bag of flour, yeast, and tomato sauce for about 12 bucks at the grocery store and I can probably make 3 large pizzas with that kind of material. Papa John's is definitely buying in bulk, which makes it even cheaper to make their pizzas, I would venture to say it'd cost them like $3 bucks to make a pizza which means they're still turning a 100% profit even with the 50% off deal.
Yes, and as long as all they have to do is buy ingredients, this all makes sense. Of course, if they have employees or a building to pay for or advertising or financial/legal/administrative costs....
On May 21 2013 04:41 mahrgell wrote: And why is this stuff in community news? Advertisement campaigns can stay in the sponsored tab.
Its team liquids own site it can do what it wants with its site.
And we can complain about it, what do you think teamliquid would be teamliquid without it's community? I'm not really a fan of this.. can't get 50% off pizza and that counter up in the corner looks atrocious :p
If TeamLiquid didn't have it's community then we'd be able to eat our damn pizza in peace and watch Starcraft without having a seizure every time someone presses "GG" too hard on their keyboard.
On May 21 2013 04:41 mahrgell wrote: And why is this stuff in community news? Advertisement campaigns can stay in the sponsored tab.
Its team liquids own site it can do what it wants with its site.
And we can complain about it, what do you think teamliquid would be teamliquid without it's community? I'm not really a fan of this.. can't get 50% off pizza and that counter up in the corner looks atrocious :p
Big name sponsorships have always been community news regardless of the team
On May 21 2013 04:59 CommanderCato wrote: Liberals in this thread need to stop trying to destroy every company or individual they disagree with.
Seriously. Base a product on how good it is, not what the people that run the company think. (papa john's pizza's aren't that great but i'll get some for TL lol my family enjoys their pizzas.)
I'm far from a fan of the way Papa John's operates but people here claiming to be boycotting them are 99.9% likely to be complete hypocrites. You think that kind of shit is anything unusual in the corporate world? Do you think that all of the clothes you wear, food and drinks you consume, the car you drive etc etc are all produced by upstanding, honest, paragons of righteousness? To single out Papa John's purely because it was recently under media scrutiny, are you that naive? Go digging and you will find dirt on just about every company. Better start vetting all of your purchases very, very carefully if Papa John's is where you draw the line.
On May 21 2013 05:05 publicenemies wrote: Can someone explain to me how the tier progression works? Let's say if I buy two pizzas, will I be at tier 2 and receive a LoL skin?
I believe it's based on total number of pizzas purchased through this site. Once the community has bought enough pizzas, 25 people who purchased pizzas will randomly be selected to win a LoL skin.
On May 21 2013 05:03 Exarl25 wrote: I'm far from a fan of the way Papa John's operates but people here claiming to be boycotting them are 99.9% likely to be complete hypocrites. You think that kind of shit is anything unusual in the corporate world? Do you think that all of the clothes you wear, food and drinks you consume, the car you drive etc etc are all produced by upstanding, honest, paragons of righteousness? To single out Papa John's purely because it was recently under media scrutiny, are you that naive? Go digging and you will find dirt on just about every company. Better start vetting all of your purchases very, very carefully if Papa John's is where you draw the line.
Especially because it was just comments by the CEO. By boycotting simply because of comments made by him you aren't really hurting him that much, he already has his millions. The people you are really hurting are the small time people who are running the stores/the employees working in those stores. These are the people who will feel the biggest impact if the business doesn't do well/goes under.
You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
As a European I think this is really stupid that it's a US only thing and I'm disappointed this was the big announcement. As a starcraft fan I'm kinda happy, though. Hope we get the TLO and Incontrol teamswitch and teambattle, would be cool
Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Any E-sport Pro who supports these scummers with the knowledge of what they're trying to do can sure as hell write me off their fan list.
OH NO THE TEAMS SOLD OUT TO MAKE MONEY BECAUSE ITS HARD TO MAKE MONEY IN ESPORTS!!! So disappointing that EG-TL-ROOT are making more money to advance their growth le independent 3 lyfe!
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Don't worry, he makes sure to buy from all the companies that dont support what he also doesnt support.
On May 21 2013 05:08 SCST wrote: Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Please get informed, people.
For the record, almost every major company in America is trying to screw it's employees out of healthcare. Benefits have been dropping precipitously and it's nigh impossible to get a full time (and therefore benefits worthy) position at a company nowadays. Everyone is either contract or part-time. Papa John's was just dumb enough to be proud of it, but they aren't unique.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
On May 21 2013 05:03 Exarl25 wrote: I'm far from a fan of the way Papa John's operates but people here claiming to be boycotting them are 99.9% likely to be complete hypocrites. You think that kind of shit is anything unusual in the corporate world? Do you think that all of the clothes you wear, food and drinks you consume, the car you drive etc etc are all produced by upstanding, honest, paragons of righteousness? To single out Papa John's purely because it was recently under media scrutiny, are you that naive? Go digging and you will find dirt on just about every company. Better start vetting all of your purchases very, very carefully if Papa John's is where you draw the line.
i buy from a farmer's market co-op and stay away from businesses that have been on record to run sweatshops. i'm not saying that to be holier-than-thou, it's not that fucking hard to do research and make sure you're doing business with people who aren't excrement.
because "oh, other companies do it too" isn't an excuse for an hourly wage of $4 or passing the costs of basic universal healthcare onto its workers. showing a blind eye to that because "lololo esports EG and TL told me to!" is a joke. the mentality that it's fine to just give people a pass on shitty business practices because it's commonplace is why companies and the banks have free reign to run the world into the ground. that's not even a politics viewpoint, that's a common sense viewpoint.
and it's shitty pizza too, but i could write a wall of text on that
if you guys buy papa john's just for this, that's cool, but you guys got duped hard
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
On May 21 2013 05:08 SCST wrote: Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Please get informed, people.
For the record, almost every major company in America is trying to screw it's employees out of healthcare. Benefits have been dropping precipitously and it's nigh impossible to get a full time (and therefore benefits worthy) position at a company nowadays. Everyone is either contract or part-time. Papa John's was just dumb enough to be proud of it, but they aren't unique.
It's one thing for a company to do it's business privately. It's entirely another to get on a soap box and push a political agenda publicly (i.e. trying to persuade people that fucking over employees and being anti-gay is a good thing).
Y'all gonna end up being pizzaterians. Nice tactic from Papa John's to make you all fat unhealthy pizza addicts. They know that you will blow half your paycheck to support ESPORTS and get ingame skins.
First it was hats, then mechanical keyboards and now pizza's.
On May 21 2013 05:08 SCST wrote: Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Please get informed, people.
For the record, almost every major company in America is trying to screw it's employees out of healthcare. Benefits have been dropping precipitously and it's nigh impossible to get a full time (and therefore benefits worthy) position at a company nowadays. Everyone is either contract or part-time. Papa John's was just dumb enough to be proud of it, but they aren't unique.
It's one thing for a company to do it's business privately. It's entirely another to get on a soap box and push a political agenda publicly (i.e. trying to persuade people that fucking over employees and being anti-gay is a good thing).
I find it funny how someone from Mexico cares more about this than people that live in the United States, why do you care and what are you trying to prove?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Why are you calling him a hypocrite? The reason why Papa John has gotten media attention is because it is noticeably bad in the issues mentioned, even if employees getting screwed over is a common thing among big companies nowadays. And how do you know he wouldn't treat other companies the same way if he were aware of their shady practices?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
No, I'm saying that pushing a political agenda against lower-class and minorities publicly is disgusting and doesn't help their business at all. In fact, it's already destroying their business. See article below:
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Do you always yell at people when you're angry? No, but sometimes you do. People want to yell this time. Let them.
On May 21 2013 05:08 SCST wrote: Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Please get informed, people.
For the record, almost every major company in America is trying to screw it's employees out of healthcare. Benefits have been dropping precipitously and it's nigh impossible to get a full time (and therefore benefits worthy) position at a company nowadays. Everyone is either contract or part-time. Papa John's was just dumb enough to be proud of it, but they aren't unique.
It's one thing for a company to do it's business privately. It's entirely another to get on a soap box and push a political agenda publicly (i.e. trying to persuade people that fucking over employees and being anti-gay is a good thing).
I find it funny how someone from Mexico cares more about this than people that live in the United States, why do you care and what are you trying to prove?
I'm a U.S. citizen who is currently living in Mexico. Why the fuck would my living in Mexico not allow me to have an opinion on defending lower-class worker and gay people? Try harder.
Are people against Papa Johns just for their political views? *Facepalm* It has nothing to do with eSports. First you're witchhunting players, now the fucking sponsors themselves. Papa Johns and its officials can have whatever opinion they want. Them having controversial opinions doesn't make them evil. If you don't agree with them, good for you, voice your opinion but don't talk down a good company like Papa Johns just because you disagree with them POLITICALLY. It's their fucking opinion. People, at least in the USA, have a right to an opinion.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Don't worry, he makes sure to buy from all the companies that dont support what he also doesnt support.
If you don't want to give your employees a dental plan, then that's something that's retarded, but it's something every company does and I can't expect myself to live like a hermit because of my views.
However, when someone like Papa John's goes on public record stating this bullshit, and willingly enters the politics like this when they don't have to, in the name of the company and/or with reasoning for the company, when it is completely backwards and anti-human, then they can go fuck themselves.
On May 21 2013 05:08 SCST wrote: Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Please get informed, people.
For the record, almost every major company in America is trying to screw it's employees out of healthcare. Benefits have been dropping precipitously and it's nigh impossible to get a full time (and therefore benefits worthy) position at a company nowadays. Everyone is either contract or part-time. Papa John's was just dumb enough to be proud of it, but they aren't unique.
It's one thing for a company to do it's business privately. It's entirely another to get on a soap box and push a political agenda publicly (i.e. trying to persuade people that fucking over employees and being anti-gay is a good thing).
You've said this twice and I haven't seen anything supporting them being antigay. Another poster also said this earlier in the thread but then removed it because he realized he was thinking of something else...do you have any actual evidence showing this?
On May 21 2013 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Ewww, Papa John's... shitty company and John is a massive asshole.
Basically this. I can't bring myself to support this company even if the incentives are great. #killingesports
If you think about it what your getting is half off pizza from them. That means that they have to be selling these pizzas at a loss for this deal to work.
So by supporting esports and buying pizzas from them this week you are both hurting pappa johns and supporting esports.
I am actually quite disappointed by TL. This company promotes willingly the idea that homosexuals should have less right than others. This is just disgusting.
Pecunia non olet.
You're quite the unreasonable and unrational person.
Still stands, regardless of whether you were referring to the right people or not, the connection you made is still stupid. Lets say Papa Johns was against homosexuals, TL wanting to get a sponsorship from them has no bearing on their stance on homosexuals.
It is nice for esports, but at the same time.. Papa John's.. lol.
And then there was the conference call with Papa John’s shareholders earlier this year where Schnatter added, “We’re not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics are about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare. If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs (emphasis added) and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests.”
On that same call—and on other occasions—Schnatter indicated that the additional cost for a pizza could rise by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, however, Forbes writer Caleb Melby estimates those costs to be closer to 4 cents per pie.
He has since retracted a lot of what he said, it is clear how he feels about his employee's. Seems like a bit of a sleazy guy to get into business with, I mean really, getting pissed about having to raise prices a few cents to cover healthcare for your staff.. come on.
This guy, and his pizza's.. all I can do is laugh at this news. Good luck with this clown getting his shoe in the door.
On May 21 2013 05:14 Gosi wrote: Y'all gonna end up being pizzaterians. Nice tactic from Papa John's to make you all fat unhealthy pizza addicts. They know that you will blow half your paycheck to support ESPORTS and get ingame skins.
First it was hats, then mechanical keyboards and now pizza's.
if papa johns get a lot of $$$ of this it exposes esports more. tell your friends about this too hey go to TL and order some pizza 50% off
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
I'm not sure how relevant corporate ethics are in a sponsorship announcement thread so if a mod tells me to shutup I will but but not tolerating people for the things they do and say isn’t the same as hating people for what they are. This whole "you're being intolerant of my intolerance" fallacy is old hat and I REALLY wish it was warning worthy because it's one of the most overused and braindead "arguments" I've ever seen on the internet.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
No, I'm saying that pushing a political agenda against lower-class and minorities publicly is disgusting and doesn't help their business at all. In fact, it's already destroying their business. See article below:
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
No, I'm saying that pushing a political agenda against lower-class and minorities publicly is disgusting and doesn't help their business at all. In fact, it's already destroying their business. See article below:
Where was Papa John's anti gay? I know Chik-fil-A said some dumb shit but I never heard anything homophobic from PJ's.
They aren't. People are just incredibly ignorant and like to circle jerk against papa johns but not any of the other companies that are far worse because hating papa johns is popular on le reddits.
CEO of Papa John's seems like a real prick, so even though I never eat it anyway I especially wouldn't do it after all that political shit. Some endorsement of ESPORTS doesn't change my mind.
On May 21 2013 05:08 SCST wrote: Wow are people really going to support Papa John's entering E-sports? This company is one the scummiest in North America towards it's employees, not to mention it's a company with a political agenda that has nothing to do with it's business.
Everyone forgetting that this company is one of the most hated for stating that giving employess healthcare wasn't worth raising their prices 14 cents?
Aware that the CEO is openly preaching anti-gay bullshit constantly? Really, TLO and Incontrol are going to support these vile inhuman scum? Please get informed, people.
For the record, almost every major company in America is trying to screw it's employees out of healthcare. Benefits have been dropping precipitously and it's nigh impossible to get a full time (and therefore benefits worthy) position at a company nowadays. Everyone is either contract or part-time. Papa John's was just dumb enough to be proud of it, but they aren't unique.
It's one thing for a company to do it's business privately. It's entirely another to get on a soap box and push a political agenda publicly (i.e. trying to persuade people that fucking over employees and being anti-gay is a good thing).
I find it funny how someone from Mexico cares more about this than people that live in the United States, why do you care and what are you trying to prove?
So you can care only for things that happen in your home country?
On May 21 2013 05:14 Gosi wrote: Y'all gonna end up being pizzaterians. Nice tactic from Papa John's to make you all fat unhealthy pizza addicts. They know that you will blow half your paycheck to support ESPORTS and get ingame skins.
First it was hats, then mechanical keyboards and now pizza's.
if papa johns get a lot of $$$ of this it exposes esports more. tell your friends about this too hey go to TL and order some pizza 50% off
Their pizzas aren't too bad for a chain store. The garlic sauce and the pepper thing is nice. I used to like them better than Dominos until Dominos changed their recipe.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
This is just really awesome. It's great seeing a company as big and non-tech related as Papa John's getting invested into e-sports, regardless of their political stances.
People tend to forget this for some reason, but people are allowed to have differing opinions and still be civil. Even if the CEO of Papa John's *is* anti-gay, and anti-Obamacare (this one seems more likely), that doesn't mean we should hate him, nor hate his entire company, nor be against Papa John's entering into the e-sports arena.
This is *exciting*. I may not agree with their political stances, but I can still be excited. You're never going to find a company where you agree with the political stances of each and every employee on 100% of the issues. It's ridiculous to assume you could, and it's ridiculous to assume that disagreement with some or any of the persons working for a company means you can never purchase from that company, and that you must hate that company.
Those persons can have their opinions, and so can we. But this is really big news, and we should, as a community, be excited. Regardless of whether we disagree with the political agenda of persons who work for this company.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
No, I'm saying that pushing a political agenda against lower-class and minorities publicly is disgusting and doesn't help their business at all. In fact, it's already destroying their business. See article below:
Where was Papa John's anti gay? I know Chik-fil-A said some dumb shit but I never heard anything homophobic from PJ's.
They aren't. People are just incredibly ignorant and like to circle jerk against papa johns but not any of the other companies that are far worse because hating papa johns is popular and le reddits.
I wish mods would start banning theses idiots.
I agree. Although I don't agree with everything they said during the whole healthcare debate, they at least talked about the issue in public, rather than doing back door deals in an attempt to kill issue. I would rather everyone have a public debate than just bury the issues in lobbying money. I don't know where this anti gay crap came from.
I am glad they are supporting TL and the rest of the teams.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
Especially considering the probability of the same people complaining about papa johns that enjoy anything with an apple logo on it.
Slave labor vs hateing on something that slightly hurts your bottom line. Reddit just has its priorities straight. I still have no idea how the hell people think buying pizzas at 50% off is somehow going to help papa johns.
Well, Papa Johns, just like in Starcraft you need to expend one day and why not come to EU (Slovakia)? With such an offer I'd find an excuse to M.U.L.E. you over some of my money for several pizza orders.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
yes, opposing gay rights is really about maximizing profits.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
yes, opposing gay rights is really about maximizing profits.
Papa John's didn't do that, he had them confused with Chik-Fil-A
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
But flimsy faux outrage is what we do best at TL. Why would you try to take away the thing we do best? WHY?
Closest Papa johns is like an hour away from me. I'd order just to support root, but we have sick good pizza locally. I think it keeps all the chains away.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
yes, opposing gay rights is really about maximizing profits.
i havn't followed the PJ situation very much given I don't live in the states but where does the anti-gay stuff come from? Aren't you thinking of Chick-fil-A?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
yes, opposing gay rights is really about maximizing profits.
For the love of... STOP REPOSTING THIS!! The one guy that mentioned Papa John attacking gay marriage made a mistake. Try googling this stuff before bandwagoning. Or here, let me google that for you
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Horrible rationale, diminishing what Papa John's is trying to do in the political arena by stating that "it's ok to preach screwing your employees because everyone else is doing it privately".
So you mean there's a private company out there who's sole rationale is to maximize profits??! Thats absolutely audacious.
yes, opposing gay rights is really about maximizing profits.
i havn't followed the PJ situation very much given I don't live in the states but where does the anti-gay stuff come from? Aren't you thinking of Chick-fil-A?
It is coming from nowhere. People have been saying it and have provided nothing to show it. Links have been provided about the healthcare thing which everyone already knows about, but nothing about the anti-gay which a few people are throwing around.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
But flimsy faux outrage is what we do best at TL. Why would you try to take away the thing we do best? WHY?
Regarding not supporting Papa John's because of their healthcare stance, just look at it like this:
- the overall positive affect this will have on Papa John's is VERY minimal - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
The goal here is to prove that doing promotions through ESPORTS is viable. If you hate Papa John's, just think of it as a way to lure other companies in.
Waiting until later tonight, but I have my order sitting on the last menu before shipping. Absurdly cheap and great for the community. What can be better?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
But flimsy faux outrage is what we do best at TL. Why would you try to take away the thing we do best? WHY?
You gotta raise the bar man!
No, its my right as a member of the internet to be "outraged" and voice my disapprove about anything and anything, regardless if my opinion matters or not.I will use words like "disgusted", "horrified" and "disappointing" as many times as I need to get my point across. Not only that, but I am able to voice my outrage in a public forum and try to be louder than other members who disagree with me. Anyone who says I am wrong clearly doesn't understand and is just a drone that doesn't have their own opinions. This is the internet and I have my rights!
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
And how do you know it's faux outrage, exactly? Do you know all of these people? Papa John's is sponsoring esports and with this being an esports community there's going to be a lot more emotion involved. Who sponsors esports is more important than where their tea came from or who made their t-shirt. No one can find every single injustice and correct it. The key is finding the one wrong you want to right above all others. They've apparently found it, don't belittle them by calling them fake.
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
TL and EG don't have Dota teams? When did this happen?
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
But flimsy faux outrage is what we do best at TL. Why would you try to take away the thing we do best? WHY?
You gotta raise the bar man!
No, its my right as a member of the internet to be "outraged" and voice my disapprove about anything and anything, regardless if my opinion matters or not.I will use words like "disgusted", "horrified" and "disappointing" as many times as I need to get my point across. Not only that, but I am able to voice my outrage in a public forum and try to be louder than other members who disagree with me. Anyone who says I am wrong clearly doesn't understand and is just a drone that doesn't have their own opinions. This is the internet and I have my rights!
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
Are you really not aware that Eg and TL have dota teams?
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
TL and EG don't have Dota teams? When did this happen?
They do.. but look at what happens at each individual level and tell me how often you read the word "Dota", "Dota2" or anything related to either of the games. I'd prefer to forget about the existence of SC2, hence why I disabled everything about it..
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
TL and EG don't have Dota teams? When did this happen?
They do.. but look at what happens at each individual level and tell me how often you read the word "Dota", "Dota2" or anything related to either of the games. I'd prefer to forget about the existence of SC2, hence why I disabled everything about it..
Wow I can't believe they didn't tailor their announcement directly to your unpopular and particular opinions. What assholes. If you don't like it you don't have to support it.
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
Get informed yourself. If you see Papa John's as the epitome of corporate evil then you are ignorant and naive beyond belief. Have you ever purchased anything linked to Nestlé? You most probably have, even if you don't realize it. They have done far, far more despicable things than Papa John's. And they are far from the only example.
Trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to this specific company and then ignoring all the others only demonstrates how well the media can whip people up into a frenzy and how little people actually care about the morality of such organizations.
Are you dense? Papa John's is doing the promotion, why would they bring up other companies? Why are you trying so hard to appear above this?
I'm bringing up other companies because people are not applying the same standards to them that they are applying to Papa John's. If Papa John's crosses the line of being too evil to support for some people, then those people must be incredibly careful about vetting every product they buy because a great many companies are over that line.
I'm not trying to appear above this, I'm just frustrated by people shitting over a good step forward for eSports with the flimsiest faux outrage. Trying to take the moral high ground when they don't actually give a fuck about the morals behind the products they buy, just jumping on a media instigated bandwagon. It's a joke.
And some of the justifications are even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah other companies may do shit 100x worse but Papa John's are openly being cunts, that clearly makes them so much worse"
Yes, there are other companies that do fucked up shit, no we can't correct every injustice in the world, and no we can't vet every single company we encounter in our daily lives. This doesn't mean that people like myself who don't support X Company like Papa John's can't try to put our money where our mouth is, so to speak.
No one on this forum is naive enough to believe that their 20 bucks is going to make a difference in anything this company decides to do. It's living life by a personal creed and sticking to something that you do believe in.
I'm glad others are spending their money where they want to and supporting the causes they want to. I just choose to sit this one out. Think of it like buying one TL T-shirt instead of buying all of them.
if i had a Papa Johns i would be eating pizza all day during this promotion. But given my geographical location i'll just have to hold out for Team ICA to deliver..
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
TL and EG don't have Dota teams? When did this happen?
They do.. but look at what happens at each individual level and tell me how often you read the word "Dota", "Dota2" or anything related to either of the games. I'd prefer to forget about the existence of SC2, hence why I disabled everything about it..
Can't help you there, but I am pretty sure this is supporting both SC2 and Dota, as they both have teams for each game.
damn I was so hyped for the announcement of the new league...I guess this is really good for EG, Liquid and Root, but I had never even heard of Papa John's until CatZ was asking them for sponsorship on Twitter lol ^^
I just don't get why people are treating Papa Johns and other sponsors like they're doing us a favor. They're doing these things because they profit from it, right?
good for the teams involved, and glad to see some mainstream sponsors coming out with this level of support. I may not always stand behind papa johns for their political agendas but you can't hate them at least for doing this.
On May 21 2013 06:13 Vanngar wrote: I just don't get why people are treating Papa Johns and other sponsors like they're doing us a favor. They're doing these things because they profit from it, right?
On May 21 2013 06:13 Vanngar wrote: I just don't get why people are treating Papa Johns and other sponsors like they're doing us a favor. They're doing these things because they profit from it, right?
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
Are you really not aware that Eg and TL have dota teams?
And Aysee is one of the choices, a dota 2 commentator for the Raidcall D2L....
On May 21 2013 05:07 Shalaiyn wrote: You have a multi-billion dollar company which is willing to dip its toes into e-sports. That is fantastic! However, this company's CEO has publicly stated they oppose a health-care plan in the USA (which is incredibly backwards), which is fundamentally an improvement of a very basic and necessary human right in a civilisation, because it might cost them five to eight million USD, which is barely a dent in their profits. All in the name of making the maximum profits, basic human needs be damned. This is not a company I am willing to support, no matter if they back e-sports, which while it is something I enjoy; e-sports is far less important than having the USA improve its health-care system.
So why Papa John's specifically? Just because it got some media attention? Do you vet every company you purchase from? Do you think Papa John's is significantly worse than the other places you get your food?
Be consistent or drop the hypocritical idealism.
Papa johns is one of the more virulently anti-healthcare, anti gay companies in the United States. They entered the political arena for absolutely no purpose other than to peddle a ideological agenda. Please get informed.
I heard private companies are allowed to do what they want because they are... private independent companies with CEO's that have opinions of their own? You call them intolerant but to do so makes you intolerant of their opinions making you as intolerant as them
No, I'm saying that pushing a political agenda against lower-class and minorities publicly is disgusting and doesn't help their business at all. In fact, it's already destroying their business. See article below:
Where was Papa John's anti gay? I know Chik-fil-A said some dumb shit but I never heard anything homophobic from PJ's.
They aren't. People are just incredibly ignorant and like to circle jerk against papa johns but not any of the other companies that are far worse because hating papa johns is popular on le reddits.
I wish mods would start banning theses idiots.
people with half a mind like you will always be ignored anyway because any logic destroys their arguments for silly stances and they don't like being proven wrong.
On May 21 2013 05:47 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - the overall positive affect this will have on ESPORTS is significant, depending on which tier is reached
No. No, no, no. Also, while this is a funny idea, and a great opportunity for the company, why is this showing up for people who turned off all SC2 related content? It has nothing to do with dota2, only SC2 and LoL, two games I don't care about.. T_T
TL and EG don't have Dota teams? When did this happen?
They do.. but look at what happens at each individual level and tell me how often you read the word "Dota", "Dota2" or anything related to either of the games. I'd prefer to forget about the existence of SC2, hence why I disabled everything about it..
Can't help you there, but I am pretty sure this is supporting both SC2 and Dota, as they both have teams for each game.
This promotion is about Papa John's looking into this 'e-sports' thing. They are not looking into a specific game but rather the general e-sports audience in the US. It just so happens that the organizations that Papa Johns are doing this promotion with have a DOTA2, and an SC2 branch. (EG is the exception as they have a LOL branch as well.)
Do you have to use the promo code pizzagg to get it to count or does it count by just clicking on the organization you want it to count for and ordering from there?
Not enough IMO. They are still a bad company for saying raising their minimum wage/giving them healthcare would cripple profits. Yet they give away millions of free pizzas.
Wish I could support this, but I live in the EU. However, I've been told some of you 'mericans have a great appetite, so all I can do is cheer you on...
Make the eSports world proud of the good old U S of A! "Order, Eat. Order more, Eat faster, -- USA #1 -- and Order again, Chewing is for wimps! Swallow that slice whole.. Hurray for Papa Johns pizza!".
On May 21 2013 06:34 jiberish wrote: Not enough IMO. They are still a bad company for saying raising their minimum wage/giving them healthcare would cripple profits. Yet they give away millions of free pizzas.
well, i wouldn't single out Papa Johns in that regard since the basic rationale of the global economic order is to maximize profits at the expense of all other considerations.. and what they are doing now is market research to determine if e-sports teams can be a suitable platform to increase their customer base.
Dammit, now I want Pizza, but then I know I'll have to work out extra hard to burn off the excess calories if I order. Anyway, if this was available in EU I'd definitely have given it a try.
So basically, a significant majority of the Europeans and the Canadians are going "I want pizza!" and a vocal chunk of the US community is screaming about an Obamacare statement that PJ had to run away from years ago and that had no impact on its business?
If you don't like PJ's, then don't buy it. At least appreciate that this helps the community without invoking Godwin's law.
On May 21 2013 07:15 Dr.Sin wrote: So basically, a significant majority of the Europeans and the Canadians are going "I want pizza!" and a vocal chunk of the US community is screaming about an Obamacare statement that PJ had to run away from years ago and that had no impact on its business?
If you don't like PJ's, then don't buy it. At least appreciate that this helps the community without invoking Godwin's law.
How exactly does it help the community? I think with the money ppl now suddenly spend on PJ, those OMGWTF events could easily be paid. Actually they could probably be hold monthly for a whole year... Or are we talking about the poor american starving esport-loving children, that had the lifetimewish to eat once at PJ and now finally can afford it due to the oh so amazing 50% off deal (wtf... why is Pizza so expensive in the states? Congrats you now reached a normal EU-prizelevel)
"The innovation that gave us the flat bread we call pizza was the use of tomato as a topping. For some time after the tomato was brought to Europe from the Americas in the 16th century, it was believed by many Europeans to be poisonous (as are some other fruits of the nightshade family). "
I did however mention in my post that italians made it and hence I gave the point to Italy, not America.
"The innovation that gave us the flat bread we call pizza was the use of tomato as a topping. For some time after the tomato was brought to Europe from the Americas in the 16th century, it was believed by many Europeans to be poisonous (as are some other fruits of the nightshade family). "
I did however mention in my post that italians made it and hence I gave the point to Italy, not America.
That's just the tomato
Keep reading the article
"Pizza first made its appearance in the United States with the arrival of Italian immigrants in the late 19th century and was very popular among large Italian populations in New York City, Chicago, and Philadelphia. In the late 19th century, pizza was introduced by peddlers who walked up and down the streets with a metal washtub of pizzas on their heads, selling their wares at two cents a chew. It was not long until small cafes and groceries began offering pizzas to their Italian-American communities."
If anyone a few years ago told you the most recognizable sponsor of things like the NFL was also looking into doing stuff (anything) with E-sports they'd have said you were nuts.
I wish Papa John's would explore Poland as a business venture >.>; apparently there's only 1 pizzeria in the whole damn country... and even Pizza Hut isn't overwhelmingly popular... mmm Pizza...
On May 21 2013 07:58 Latham wrote: I wish Papa John's would explore Poland as a business venture >.>; apparently there's only 1 pizzeria in the whole damn country... and even Pizza Hut isn't overwhelmingly popular... mmm Pizza...
On May 21 2013 07:15 Dr.Sin wrote: So basically, a significant majority of the Europeans and the Canadians are going "I want pizza!" and a vocal chunk of the US community is screaming about an Obamacare statement that PJ had to run away from years ago and that had no impact on its business?
If you don't like PJ's, then don't buy it. At least appreciate that this helps the community without invoking Godwin's law.
I thought I was the only one that noticed! Seriously, there's like a 10:5:1 ration between non-Americans saying they would have bought it, Americans complaining about John himself, and Americans saying they bought it.
50% off for Papa John's pizza is a really good deal... I just ordered... now lets just hope they got a delivery man that knows how to use google map so they can find my newly built apartment complex since its not on any gps system yet... I WANT SOME PAPA JOHNS PIZZA!!!!!
You know, I just realized that maybe we don't want TLO to switch to EG for a week. What if it happens when he has a big match in WCS and he's cursed? (jk)
"The innovation that gave us the flat bread we call pizza was the use of tomato as a topping. For some time after the tomato was brought to Europe from the Americas in the 16th century, it was believed by many Europeans to be poisonous (as are some other fruits of the nightshade family). "
I did however mention in my post that italians made it and hence I gave the point to Italy, not America.
That's just the tomato
Keep reading the article
"Pizza first made its appearance in the United States with the arrival of Italian immigrants in the late 19th century and was very popular among large Italian populations in New York City, Chicago, and Philadelphia. In the late 19th century, pizza was introduced by peddlers who walked up and down the streets with a metal washtub of pizzas on their heads, selling their wares at two cents a chew. It was not long until small cafes and groceries began offering pizzas to their Italian-American communities."
Yes... which is why I said that Italians made it in America.... hence my cheeky "You win this time Italy!" comment that you deleted from the quote...
This is really cool. Papa John's is looking to embrace eSports, so they know that there is something out there in terms of money. As the number of sponsors continues to grow, the tournaments will continue to get bigger and bigger, only leading to more sponsors. Props to Papa John's!
On May 21 2013 07:26 Jetaap wrote: I want to get fat too!
Despite the cheese, there is food that will make you fat much faster than pizza.
pizza probably has the highest KJ amount ive ever read on food
also i hoped esports wouldnt go that way :/
Reads what is in choclat, normal cheese, chips, ....
If I remember correctly pizza had similar KJ's per 100g like bread. But maybe they sell different Pizzas.
It's bread with tomatoes sauce, vegetables, and meat. Imagine eating a sandwhich, the size of a pizza. It would be about as unhealthy.
Of course if they gave me a sandwich the size a pizza I'd say "no way man, too much food" but if they gave me 8 slices I'd be like "In one sitting dude "
On May 21 2013 07:26 Jetaap wrote: I want to get fat too!
Despite the cheese, there is food that will make you fat much faster than pizza.
pizza probably has the highest KJ amount ive ever read on food
also i hoped esports wouldnt go that way :/
Reads what is in choclat, normal cheese, chips, ....
If I remember correctly pizza had similar KJ's per 100g like bread. But maybe they sell different Pizzas.
in australia 1 pizza from dominos (1 pizza is like 1 meal, even a little too little so its not like family pizza) had between 8000 and 10000KJ which is massive
On May 21 2013 07:26 Jetaap wrote: I want to get fat too!
Despite the cheese, there is food that will make you fat much faster than pizza.
pizza probably has the highest KJ amount ive ever read on food
also i hoped esports wouldnt go that way :/
Reads what is in choclat, normal cheese, chips, ....
If I remember correctly pizza had similar KJ's per 100g like bread. But maybe they sell different Pizzas.
in australia 1 pizza from dominos (1 pizza is like 1 meal, even a little too little so its not like family pizza) had between 8000 and 10000KJ which is massive
Imagine a plate of cheese the size of a pizza, except the plate is actually white bread and the whole thing is soaked in grease. Then add toppings to it.
Very good initiative. It hits the right community (largely college students and twenty-somethings) and is easily associated with SC2 ("watching WCS? Do it while eating our pizza!").
Papa Johns is a major contributor to major sports in the US. Bringing them to esports would be huge. It would bring a lot of attention from other potential sponsors. And 50% off pizza is always good!
So weird to see how many people think papa johns is bad. Its probably one of my favorites. And don't tell me about local pizza, I'm not paying $20 for a freakin pizza lol
But seriously, it's cool that the esports scene is getting attention from such a major brand. Anytime you get support from a huge brand can only lead to more attention from other companies if this works for Papa Johns.
I like Papa John's Pizza, although I've stopped eating from there because of some of the remarks their CEO has made. That being said, their supporting esports might bring me back as a customer.
I did my part for esports. I expect everyone else to do the same. I don't remember Papa johns tasting so fake though, it didn't taste like real food. Oh well, I enjoyed it.
On May 21 2013 09:12 Mohdoo wrote: So weird to see how many people think papa johns is bad. Its probably one of my favorites. And don't tell me about local pizza, I'm not paying $20 for a freakin pizza lol
Papa Johns is the best of the 3 big pizza chains, Papa Johns, Dominoes and Pizza Hut. That said, it's still horrible quality pizza. And it's really easy to find local pizzerias who charge less than 20$....
I hope Papa John's is actually interested in investing in eSports long-term, rather than use this as a short-term gimmick to boost sales. Then again, based on the feeding frenzy this promo has spawned, maybe it'll convince the executives that fans are hungry for pizza and sponsorship
On May 21 2013 09:53 IPA wrote: Hate their pizza and their right wing dick of a president.
But....hooray esports?
Yes.
Get it anyway, I despise them as well and work at a local pizza place. Still going to do it.
Remember in Star wars when Darth Vader said join me and luke was like ew no ill never join you. Well where did that get him? He got his arm lightsabered off.
Moral of the story... Luke should have bought PIZZA!
Well the closes Papa J's to me is an hour away. Guess I have a little bit of a drive to do :o I think this is a pretty cool opportunity for everyone involved.
This is even hitting the front page of major gaming news websites. Redemption's pizza looks excellent and it is the perfect choice of topping for E-Sports: cheese.
On May 21 2013 09:48 LuckyFool wrote: this is awesome, really cool to see Papa Johns getting into something like this. Wouldn't surprise me if Papa John himself played sc2, he's awesome.
I think Papa John would get along great with Stephano
On May 21 2013 10:08 Waxangel wrote: I already had popeyes today, but I guess I can do this tomorrow
do they have fried chicken as a topping yet?
just go get some chick-fil-a and put it on top of the pizza
That's actually a hilarious suggestion considering the earlier corporate debate.
/thatsthejoke
on an entirely derailing note, I was sad that NYU didn't even pretend to care about their chick-fil-a on campus considering their high proportion of LGBT students
On May 21 2013 10:08 Waxangel wrote: I already had popeyes today, but I guess I can do this tomorrow
do they have fried chicken as a topping yet?
just go get some chick-fil-a and put it on top of the pizza
That's actually a hilarious suggestion considering the earlier corporate debate.
/thatsthejoke
on an entirely derailing note, I was sad that NYU didn't even pretend to care about their chick-fil-a on campus considering their high proportion of LGBT students
I am not a huge fan of Papa Johns but I certainly prefer them over Dominos and Pizza Hut. I usually order from a local place but I'll make an exception this week if I get pizza.
Wow... What a sick, sick promotion... Good job to all those involved in getting this off the ground. I hope it makes shitloads of $ for both Papa John's and the teams!
If there was a Papa John's in Australia I'd be destroying these right now. Nice campaign. I hope our NA Esports brothers and sister do us proud and eat their way to free games for us all around the world
tier 11: 3-way mud wrestling match between Alex, Nazgul, & Catz tier 12: Incontrol enters Worlds Stongest Man competition tier 13: Reality tv show - MTV's Real World EG-TL edition tier 14: Demuslim cooking show
On May 21 2013 12:28 GunPaladin wrote: few more tiers please:
tier 11: 3-way mud wrestling match between Alex, Nazgul, & Catz tier 12: Incontrol enters Worlds Stongest Man competition tier 13: Reality tv show - MTV's Real World EG-TL edition tier 14: Demuslim cooking show
I remember when Catz on SotG talked about Papa Johns (like about 2 months ago) and I wonder if it was a casual joke or if they were really trying to work out a deal.
Either way, now it has happened and good job Catz!
On May 21 2013 12:28 GunPaladin wrote: few more tiers please:
tier 11: 3-way mud wrestling match between Alex, Nazgul, & Catz tier 12: Incontrol enters Worlds Stongest Man competition tier 13: Reality tv show - MTV's Real World EG-TL edition tier 14: Demuslim cooking show
On May 21 2013 12:28 GunPaladin wrote: few more tiers please:
tier 11: 3-way mud wrestling match between Alex, Nazgul, & Catz tier 12: Incontrol enters Worlds Stongest Man competition tier 13: Reality tv show - MTV's Real World EG-TL edition tier 14: Demuslim cooking show
On May 21 2013 12:21 peekn wrote: God I really don't like Papa Johns other business practices and their pizza is meh imo but for eSports I'll buy!
Yea i'm a little conflicted because of this. The ceo's behavior during the election really disgusted me but I'll buy from Papa Johns if it'll support esports.
I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
On May 21 2013 12:28 GunPaladin wrote: few more tiers please:
tier 11: 3-way mud wrestling match between Alex, Nazgul, & Catz tier 12: Incontrol enters Worlds Stongest Man competition tier 13: Reality tv show - MTV's Real World EG-TL edition tier 14: Demuslim cooking show
On May 21 2013 12:28 GunPaladin wrote: few more tiers please:
tier 11: 3-way mud wrestling match between Alex, Nazgul, & Catz tier 12: Incontrol enters Worlds Stongest Man competition tier 13: Reality tv show - MTV's Real World EG-TL edition tier 14: Demuslim cooking show
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare)...
A business has one goal, to make money. There's been dozens of laws, like the Fair Labor Standards Act, to get the US to this point, and I can guarantee you those were campaigned against too. It's your choice to boycott a business, but at least be consistent and make sure you do so to EVERY business that's done what Papa John's did. Otherwise, just be happy for eSports that another big sponsor has jumped in.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
Id like to order a pizza for an american TLer! Im in Canada and cant support this directly but Id love to show them its appreciated and see some of these tiers happen.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
This is NOT a result of recent healthcare reforms. It's been a pretty consistent process in every sector of the U.S. economy that can make it work. Part time labor is MUCH cheaper than full time labor. Everything from college professors to pizza employees are being forced to 27 hours a week or less in order to deny them many kinds of benefits. And it's not because of new healthcare laws. That's just the most convenient current excuse for a long-term shift in the economy.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
How is ~7.5% of total profits a "negligible" cost? <.<
Anyways I somehow prefer this one 2 euro freezer pizza over all those 6-8 euro fresh pizzas so I of course woudn't order one, not like I eat pizza more often than ~1-2 times a month and neither should anyone else.
On May 21 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote: How is ~7.5% of total profits a "negligible" cost? <.<
Anyways I somehow prefer this one 2 euro freezer pizza over all those 6-8 euro fresh pizzas so I of course woudn't order one, not like I eat pizza more often than ~1-2 times a month and neither should anyone else.
Yea that's way more than negligible, though I'd like to think that "happier employees, better pizzas, Papa Johns."
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)
Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
Ummm... 5-10% of your gross profit is a big deal.
5-10% of your net profit is a much bigger deal.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
Well I'm sure Mr. Schnatter along with a lot of other people are disappointed that the government (Obama) made a healthcare bill so shitty in particular that it had such a gaping loophole and so shitty in general that it made jumping through that loophole so attractive.
If providing the new Obamacare-mandated coverage to employees saved money like it was said it was going to, no one would be lowering hours. But of course it's not going to save money at all. And people are under no moral obligation to sit there and just accept an externally imposed cost on their business. They pass it on to the customer, or they lower spending somewhere else, or both. Easiest place to lower spending quick? Labor.
Honestly the ways of spending other people's money people come up with and think there will be no reaction to. You can't just spend (more of) other people's money and expect them to not try to do something to lessen the impact on themselves.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
This is NOT a result of recent healthcare reforms. It's been a pretty consistent process in every sector of the U.S. economy that can make it work. Part time labor is MUCH cheaper than full time labor. Everything from college professors to pizza employees are being forced to 27 hours a week or less in order to deny them many kinds of benefits. And it's not because of new healthcare laws. That's just the most convenient current excuse for a long-term shift in the economy.
Good post, I'm not familiar with the economic side at all, I can only speak a little from the insurance side. I don't believe it is a direct result no, and I should have spoken better, but it is the excuse companies needed to cut hours. They spend less money hiring more employees on less than 27 hours than they would with fewer ones on more than 27. My point really is that in January, the premiums are going to shoot up for everyone including these companies and the more people they can wean off the health care plan they provide the less they'll have to spend on it. Do this by cutting hours, nobody is going to spend 60 a paycheck on healthcare if their paychecks are only in the ~240 range. They'll opt out during their open enrollment period and this will save the company money in more ways than one.
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert or anything, these are things I believe to be true and if anyone wants to point out how wrong I am that's cool I like learning things.
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)
Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit
Wasn't my math, just misread the figures (and didn't check them). My bad! ;\
On May 21 2013 15:30 PieceOCake wrote: Is it not skewed in EGs favor? Look how many EG buttons there are compared to TL or ROOT on pizza.gg
On May 21 2013 15:15 Brett wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:42 hasuterrans wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:29 Slightly wrote:
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)
Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit
Total revenue minus total costs = Profit, yes? Therefore, using his figures, 1218 - 1131 = -87 As in, negative. As in lost money. Aka loss.
Am I missing something here.
Yes, twelve hundred anything minus eleven hundred anything cannot possibly be a negative number since you know 12 - 11 = 1
Anyway as to part-time vs full-time, if you think that Obamacare is just an excuse for a long-term shift, go look at Bureau of Labor statistics. Full-time jobs nosedived in 2008, recovered slowly to a ceiling and have stagnated. Obamacare is not a current excuse. It is just another straw on the camel's back, another contributor to this long-term shift from a full-time worker society to a part-time one. And this shift isn't something that has to happen, but it will if external costs with half-baked justifications and half-baked mechanisms like Obamacare keep getting imposed on business.
On May 21 2013 15:30 PieceOCake wrote: Is it not skewed in EGs favor? Look how many EG buttons there are compared to TL or ROOT on pizza.gg
On May 21 2013 15:15 Brett wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:42 hasuterrans wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:29 Slightly wrote:
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote: I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.
While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.
On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.
From the 2nd link..
Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million
As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself
How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)
Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit
Total revenue minus total costs = Profit, yes? Therefore, using his figures, 1218 - 1131 = -87 As in, negative. As in lost money. Aka loss.
Am I missing something here.
Yes, twelve hundred anything minus eleven hundred anything cannot possibly be a negative number since you know 12 - 11 = 1
Anyway as to part-time vs full-time, if you think that Obamacare is just an excuse for a long-term shift, go look at Bureau of Labor statistics. Full-time jobs nosedived in 2008, recovered slowly to a ceiling and have stagnated. Obamacare is not a current excuse. It is just another straw on the camel's back, another contributor to this long-term shift from a full-time worker society to a part-time one. And this shift isn't something that has to happen, but it will if external costs with half-baked justifications and half-baked mechanisms like Obamacare keep getting imposed on business.
Yeah, quite obvious when I redid it. Really don't know how I fucked that up. My mistake.
As much as I detest fast food, I can do nothing but praise those supporting esports by eating a pizza this week!!! Go go go. For the opportunity this represents to grow eSports, it's worth it to have one day off being a health nut.
I feel it's very appropriate that we have a meter on the page, to measure the new low we've hit. It was depressing listening to commentators plugging/selling junk food on streams yesterday (D2L).
On May 21 2013 17:24 Talin wrote: I feel it's very appropriate that we have a meter on the page, to measure the new low we've hit. It was depressing listening to commentators plugging/selling junk food on streams yesterday (D2L).
Holy shit do I want 2010 back.
LOL.
Thankfully, our opinion as Europeans matters very little since this isn't aimed towards us.
woah t8! eat pizzas USA!!! i wonder if i should call my relatives in florida?
"hello? yes its me! yeah havent talked for years, but postcards have been sent... listen up, there is something REALLY important i have to tell you... what? nobody died no... ORDER PAPA JOHNS PIZZA!"
On May 21 2013 17:49 Naphal wrote: woah t8! eat pizzas USA!!! i wonder if i should call my relatives in florida?
"hello? yes its me! yeah havent talked for years, but postcards have been sent... listen up, there is something REALLY important i have to tell you... what? nobody died no... ORDER PAPA JOHNS PIZZA!"
On May 21 2013 17:24 Talin wrote: I feel it's very appropriate that we have a meter on the page, to measure the new low we've hit. It was depressing listening to commentators plugging/selling junk food on streams yesterday (D2L).
Holy shit do I want 2010 back.
i dont see how its any different to another sponsor. and at least papa johns is actually offering us something (well americans anyway), 50% off. razer and steelseries get plugged every event, but they never have a special deal to entice you to buy something after the event.
On May 21 2013 17:24 Talin wrote: I feel it's very appropriate that we have a meter on the page, to measure the new low we've hit. It was depressing listening to commentators plugging/selling junk food on streams yesterday (D2L).
Holy shit do I want 2010 back.
i dont see how its any different to another sponsor. and at least papa johns is actually offering us something (well americans anyway), 50% off. razer and steelseries get plugged every event, but they never have a special deal to entice you to buy something after the event.
Gotta agree with this. Sure, the names Steelseries etc are well known, but I'm not really motivated to buying one any more than previously. Those peripherals are overpriced in my opinion.
Looks ok, but i dislike all the low fat - healthy movement. Fat is quite important when you cook, but the most important thing is that you dont use too much chemical stuff (taste enhancers, processed vegetable oil, sweeteners) imo. Also you get all the Ca Fe K etc. you need by eating enough meat (pork beef fish and chicken).
On May 21 2013 20:45 Dr.Sin wrote: Wow, the meter's empty and at Tier 1 still. o_O
Yeah, I just realized they've been intentionally vague about what the actual numbers are (aka how many pizzas move up a tier), and since there's no way of checking the information then Papa John's could just claim not enough were sold no matter how many pizzas got bought.
Conspiracy theories aside, as with anything you would expect the most interest and pizza's bought to be right after the launch and then gradually tailing off (maybe a surge at the end, maybe). That not even one new tier has been reached isn't a good sign.
Who not rename the site into TeamPizza? Communitynews? Pizza! Teamnews? Pizza! Sponsored Threads? Pizza! SC2 General? Pizza! Pizza! Pizza! (Seriously? 3 out of 6 top general SC2 Threads are pizza?) Click any Stream? Pizza! Okay, click another Stream? Pizza! hm... next try, click BTS-Stream. Jokes about Pizza! Click Thread about BTS-Stream/Easternqualifier: Crowd with pitchforks rioting over BTS insulting the pizzagods...
On May 21 2013 21:09 Thor.Rush wrote: No tiers reached after the launch = fail? : ( that would really suck.
Pretty sure if this thread was created on Thursday it would have been a hit. Usually if my house gets pizza it won't be during the week, so announcing it on a Monday means we will be stuck as a Tier 1 until Friday
On May 21 2013 21:09 Thor.Rush wrote: No tiers reached after the launch = fail? : ( that would really suck.
Pretty sure if this thread was created on Thursday it would have been a hit. Usually if my house gets pizza it won't be during the week, so announcing it on a Monday means we will be stuck as a Tier 1 until Friday
But just from a pure marketing standpoint (not that I have any professional experience), I feel that not having tier 1 be really, really easy to pass is a bad call. Like, it should have been passed within a couple of hours. That'd get people happy. And that black bar on top looks pretty sad.
Or maybe it is really easy, and nobody is ordering pizza...
On May 21 2013 21:09 Thor.Rush wrote: No tiers reached after the launch = fail? : ( that would really suck.
Pretty sure if this thread was created on Thursday it would have been a hit. Usually if my house gets pizza it won't be during the week, so announcing it on a Monday means we will be stuck as a Tier 1 until Friday
But just from a pure marketing standpoint (not that I have any professional experience), I feel that not having tier 1 be really, really easy to pass is a bad call. Like, it should have been passed within a couple of hours. That'd get people happy. And that black bar on top looks pretty sad.
Or maybe it is really easy, and nobody is ordering pizza...
The bar is probably jut not updated.
Also we dont know their benchmark numbers for every step anyway. I imagine they change them in the process like they see fit. It is not like there are big prizes anyway.
I actually think that there isn't even a PJ's in germany at all. Well.. Guess it's italian Pizza today, just wanted to state that i'd have participated. ._.
Edit: or maybe Pizza Hut to show my unamusement about this scandal.
Looks ok, but i dislike all the low fat - healthy movement. Fat is quite important when you cook, but the most important thing is that you dont use too much chemical stuff (taste enhancers, processed vegetable oil, sweeteners) imo. Also you get all the Ca Fe K etc. you need by eating enough meat (pork beef fish and chicken).
I just meant the general idea of making fresh pizza at home in a frying pan, I don't care how much fat you put on it :D
My Wife and I got our discounted eSports Pizza last night. and I have to say. it was pretty good. we've lived about a mile from a PJ's for the past 4 years, and not once have we tried them. I think they got themselves a few loyal customers. would eat again.
On May 21 2013 17:10 Baum wrote: Best Pizza is self-made Pizza no cheap fast food chains ain't ever gonna reach my level. No support!
Best clothes are also self-made. Brb, getting some sheep...
I'm sure if you tasted my Pizza you wouldn't be making stupid comparisons.
You don't even know how good his wool jacket is gonna be yet! Sheer them sheep!
& You get cook your own sheep too. Everyone knows that the best baby-back ribs are the ones you get from a sheep you kill, after you cut its wool off to make yourself a jacket.
Weird that LoL skins are one of the possible prizes, being that the promotion is for US only and none of TL, EG and Root (not sure about Root?) have a LoL team in NA.
What sucks most about this is how this doesn't only hurt esports in the short term because people are filled with faux-outrage at a bunch of hot air the CEO said that never happened, it hurts esports in the long term by serving as an example to sponsors to not support the community and teams.
On May 21 2013 23:42 Dr.Sin wrote: What sucks most about this is how this doesn't only hurt esports in the short term because people are filled with faux-outrage at a bunch of hot air the CEO said that never happened, it hurts esports in the long term by serving as an example to sponsors to not support the community and teams.
By not buying their pizza, all it is going to hurt is the employes not the CEOs of Papa Johns. People who think that not buying pizza is going to do anything to the CEOs is pretty crazy. At the moment ESport is not "that" big, i really don't see this affecting anything long term or short term. It really isn't that big of a deal... it's not like Esports is running for president or something..
On May 21 2013 23:38 Sbrubbles wrote: Weird that LoL skins are one of the possible prizes, being that the promotion is for US only and none of TL, EG and Root (not sure about Root?) have a LoL team in NA.
On May 21 2013 22:42 luckyjj10 wrote: Really disappointed and cannot understand why this is not available in Canada..
There's actually a few in Canada, but not very many. If you live in St. Catharines or Barrie you would be in luck. Unfortunately I think this promotion is only valid for the PJ's in the U.S. though.
What irritates me is that when the CEO of Papa Johns was complaining about the necessity of raising the cost of a large pizza by 14 cents if he gave his employees health insurance there were commercials playing on TV here where he was talking about giving away 2 million free pizzas during the Superbowl. Later, during the NBA playoffs there was yet another promotion where millions of free pizzas are being given away.
How about this Papa Johns? Why don't you spend that money you are losing on MILLIONS OF FREE PIZZAS on healthcare for your employees? You can take your complaining about 14 cents a pie, and losing 5-8 million dollars in revenue and shove it all the way up the highest tower of the castle you live in (literally), if you are going to lose millions of dollars in profits by giving away free pizza
I like the people complaining. It's like they research everything they buy and judge it before they buy it. I wonder how long it takes them to go grocery shopping. Here's a tip, every CEO wants to make money, promotions, including giving away pizza at the most watched sport in USA, is a form of advertisement.
Anyway, I'll be buying my pizzas this weekend for this under TL Dota 2.
On May 22 2013 00:01 Teggy03 wrote: How about this Papa Johns? Why don't you spend that money you are losing on MILLIONS OF FREE PIZZAS on healthcare for your employees?
Yeesh, it wouldnt be TL without the obligatory bleeding heart.
Anyways, sure wish this offer was available in Canada. Theres a Papa Johns right across the street from me. Maybe I will just go in and try to haggle....
I'm getting kind of nervous, I know we have until the 27th, but the meter isn't passing tier 1 with any gusto. Hopefully it kicks up as the offer drags on, maybe this weekend there will be a big push.
It feels very allin in terms of big name sponsors. If this doesn't satisfy papa johns it may turn off the eyes of other big name sponsors not directly associated with eSports
We can discuss all day how giving away free pizzas does not necessarily equal a net loss of profit, but lets try to keep politics/business to General Discussion.
Love what they are doing for us and hopefully we can soon be pulling sponsors from companies outside of the realm of e-sports technology. This is the first step in a much brighter future for foreign e-sports teams!
On May 22 2013 00:01 Teggy03 wrote: How about this Papa Johns? Why don't you spend that money you are losing on MILLIONS OF FREE PIZZAS on healthcare for your employees?
Yeesh, it wouldnt be TL without the obligatory bleeding heart.
Anyways, sure wish this offer was available in Canada. Theres a Papa Johns right across the street from me. Maybe I will just go in and try to haggle....
Yes because the continually growing income disparity in america between the rich and the poor is just a bleeding heart issue. I bought pizzas last night but I do not agree at all with your statements.
On May 22 2013 00:54 SimDawg wrote: I don't think you can order multiple promotional pizzas in one order. Is that the case?
I just ordered two pizzas under the promotion (just enter the promo code for each pizza you add), so unless they call me in the next few minutes and tell me otherwise, I believe you can.
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
On May 21 2013 04:41 mahrgell wrote: And why is this stuff in community news? Advertisement campaigns can stay in the sponsored tab.
Its team liquids own site it can do what it wants with its site.
And we can complain about it, what do you think teamliquid would be teamliquid without it's community? I'm not really a fan of this.. can't get 50% off pizza and that counter up in the corner looks atrocious :p
Big name sponsorships have always been community news regardless of the team
Didn't care about that, just the notion that "It's teamliquids own site" is somehow an argument that you shouldn't complain when you don't like something.
Wow some people are just harsh. Interesting that a lot of people who take this stance tend to be republican which is the somewhat more "Christian" political party. I think Jesus would favor people being taken care of when they are hurt over people living in castles and raking in the excess.
On May 21 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote: How is ~7.5% of total profits a "negligible" cost? <.<
Anyways I somehow prefer this one 2 euro freezer pizza over all those 6-8 euro fresh pizzas so I of course woudn't order one, not like I eat pizza more often than ~1-2 times a month and neither should anyone else.
Yea that's way more than negligible, though I'd like to think that "happier employees, better pizzas, Papa Johns."
There was time when American companies provided everyone with pensions, when the idea of moving a company to Communist China was akin to treason, and when huge profits were shared with employees.
Those days are gone. In 1970 CEOs took in 9% of income raised in the country, today it is 24%. CEOs sold America when capitalism became more important than democracy and nationalism, and it's time as the premier power in the world is soon going to end because of this. All that, because a bunch of people wanted to make quick buck.
On May 22 2013 02:11 Teggy03 wrote: Wow some people are just harsh. Interesting that a lot of people who take this stance tend to be republican which is the somewhat more "Christian" political party. I think Jesus would favor people being taken care of when they are hurt over people living in castles and raking in the excess.
He wanted people who were richer to be philanthropic and treat them equally. He also implied it would be difficult for this to ever happen due to greed
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
- make a promo - esports meter - ??????? - bankrupt
By not buying their pizza, all it is going to hurt is the employes not the CEOs of Papa Johns. People who think that not buying pizza is going to do anything to the CEOs is pretty crazy.
Your not buying _his_ pizza, but you still presumably buying somebody's else pizza. that somebody else will need a workforce commensurate to the orders, so they will be hiring... but that somebody else already has a CEO so they won't be hiring him. Beside, in this country, where the supreme court has rule that money is 'speech', consolidating the $1 = 1 vote rule, how you spend your $s is the only political power you have left... so you should use it wisely.
PS: I bought a pizza, because 1/ I want to support TL and e-sport 2/ PJ's comment were less crazy and more nuanced than the headline reported, and 3/ that could have been much, much worse; like Domino's.
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
- make a promo - esports meter - ??????? - bankrupt
sounds exactly like what's happening.
It seems weird, I thought american would feed almost exclusively on pizzas. Therefore it should work. Something is wrong in the universe.
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
- make a promo - esports meter - ??????? - bankrupt
sounds exactly like what's happening.
It seems weird, I thought american would feed almost exclusively on pizzas. Therefore it should work. Something is wrong in the universe.
Getting a bit anxious, with very complex math, 10/7 means that it needs to have moved 1 tier by now :/ Hopefully the yanks massacre some pizzas over the weekend to make up for it... :/
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
- make a promo - esports meter - ??????? - bankrupt
sounds exactly like what's happening.
It seems weird, I thought american would feed almost exclusively on pizzas. Therefore it should work. Something is wrong in the universe.
It seems the chart isn't constantly updating.
On May 22 2013 02:25 TheMango wrote: There was a post on reddit from EG.LectR that said the numbers/tier progress would be updated later today. He implied that the volume so far was huge by saying 'we need to create more tiers' or something to that effect. Would be nice if the progress was realtime, but I doubt that realistic. They (EG/TL/Root) probably get a daily update from PJ and have to manually edit the progress bars.
On May 22 2013 01:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: That esports meter is not having a boner.
It must not update in real time or something. It's been at exactly the same spot since like 1 hour after the announcement. Idk how else to explain it, dinner hours in the US came after it had already reached that mark.
- make a promo - esports meter - ??????? - bankrupt
sounds exactly like what's happening.
It seems weird, I thought american would feed almost exclusively on pizzas. Therefore it should work. Something is wrong in the universe.
On May 22 2013 02:25 TheMango wrote: There was a post on reddit from EG.LectR that said the numbers/tier progress would be updated later today. He implied that the volume so far was huge by saying 'we need to create more tiers' or something to that effect. Would be nice if the progress was realtime, but I doubt that realistic. They (EG/TL/Root) probably get a daily update from PJ and have to manually edit the progress bars.
Last time I ate PapaJohns it was probably worse than dominos, but then again dominos is still pretty bad as well. I usually stick with 2 local mom and pop joints since they are vastly superior in every way.
Nice to see papa johns being interested in esports though.
I don't know if anyone already posted this. If you want to submit feedback to Papa John's thanking them for their new involvement in the e-sport's community you can submit a 'Feedback form' via the following link:
I mean, hell, look at what PJ's is contributing..if you buy so many thousand pizzas at half off (which they're still making a killing on, profit-wise), they'll shell out enough to give away 25 mouse pads!! How charitable. I'm sure that the teams will split some of the revenue from the promo.. but this is a situation in which PJ's stands to gain a great deal, and esports to gain very little.
TL;DR - Papa John's pizza has way too much sauce on it and their owner is a manipulative twat. You're better off ordering 2-topping medium pizzas from Domino's at $5/ea and donating the difference straight to your favorite team or putting it towards whatever "reward" you'd find comparable to these.
I mean, hell, look at what PJ's is contributing..if you buy so many thousand pizzas at half off (which they're still making a killing on, profit-wise), they'll shell out enough to give away 25 mouse pads!! How charitable. I'm sure that the teams will split some of the revenue from the promo.. but this is a situation in which PJ's stands to gain a great deal, and esports to gain very little.
TL;DR - Papa John's pizza has way too much sauce on it and their owner is a manipulative twat. You're better off ordering 2-topping medium pizzas from Domino's at $5/ea and donating the difference straight to your favorite team or putting it towards whatever "reward" you'd find comparable to these.
John Schnatter is no friend of mine, but you can always order light in the sauce.
You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
Tate modern is sponsored by BP, Shell sponsors opera; you can find objectionable sponsors everywhere. Not to mention that e-sports has plenty of 'bad' sponsors as it is (energy drinks go). Can't say this bothers me in the slightest and noone is selling themselves any more (or less) than they already were.
Why are people talking about this as if it's a bad thing? I already like Papa John's more than Dominoes/Pizza Hut/Little Caesar's, and now they're having a 50% off sale to support esports. What's the downside?
On May 22 2013 07:58 Penguinator wrote: Why are people talking about this as if it's a bad thing? I already like Papa John's more than Dominoes/Pizza Hut/Little Caesar's, and now they're having a 50% off sale to support esports. What's the downside?
On May 22 2013 07:58 Penguinator wrote: Why are people talking about this as if it's a bad thing? I already like Papa John's more than Dominoes/Pizza Hut/Little Caesar's, and now they're having a 50% off sale to support esports. What's the downside?
Well, there hasn't been enough drama lately. Plus, while we want more sponsors to come to ESPORTS, they better have a perfect track record and follow everything we agree with. Otherwise we are just selling ourselves out or something like that. It makes drama, that's why we do it!
This actually reminds me of a post a while ago about how somebody thought he was doing a great thing by adblocking every stream that he watches, apparently we shouldn't be selling out to advertising and such. Needless to say, IdrA explained how much of a douche that guy was. We really could use IdrA in this thread as well...
P.S. Everyone: I don't know where you will ever get food from, clothes from, or most of your standard toiletries without buying from someone that probably does something you don't agree with. We should support PJs for this endeavor, because if other people see it as profitable to invest into SC2 and other games, the better for us all.
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I come from the future, esports will open a rim in the pacific. Dozens of giant monsters will destroy everything and humanity will face annihilation, but then we decide to fight monsters with monsters. Also, we get the chick. All of them.
Is there a link where i can just send the teams money instead of going through pj's? It's just bad pizza. There are just too many outstanding pizza places around here for me to do it. I also don't like the ceo's stance on a lot of subjects. The difference between this and other sponsors considered bad is that their ceo's aren't outspoken about their political beliefs and trying to leverage their company and product to influence politics. A lot of his stances are hypocritical. I don't care what anybody else here does. Eat them pizzas show support. I even sent a message to pj to thank them for their interest in esports. I just can't bring myself to order.
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit from "50% off" pizza). If all goes well, Papa John's may end up actually sponsoring an organization (Why do you think they make you choose who referred you to the promotion? So they'll have a better idea of who's worth investing in). And if that happens, this would arguably be the biggest company to actually sponsor an esports organization (Redbull and Monster are up there too, but personally I think Papa John's takes the cake here). And if other companies see Papa John's doing it, that can lead to even more sponsorship opportunities!
TLDR: 50% off delicious pizza, and you support esports. win/win
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit off of "50% off" pizza).
Oh don't worry, I know that. My family own a restaurant so I'm aware of how promotion actually work out for the company.
It's just, watching my twitter feed, I have the bad feeling of being abused here. But hehe, nevermind me, just a bit dubious.
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit off of "50% off" pizza).
Oh don't worry, I know that. My family own a restaurant so I'm aware of how promotion actually work out for the company.
It's just, watching my twitter feed, I have the bad feeling of being abused here. But hehe, nevermind me, just a bit dubious.
Just temporarily unfollow anyone who tweets ads at you, that's what I did.
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit off of "50% off" pizza).
Oh don't worry, I know that. My family own a restaurant so I'm aware of how promotion actually work out for the company.
It's just, watching my twitter feed, I have the bad feeling of being abused here. But hehe, nevermind me, just a bit dubious.
Well, people are a bit giddy about a deal like this (this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that gets people excited & buying pizza even just for the heck of it to feel like they're backing something they love). The players are giddy too (and some get credit) so it's not too surprising that they would go overboard on the promotion...
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit off of "50% off" pizza).
Oh don't worry, I know that. My family own a restaurant so I'm aware of how promotion actually work out for the company.
It's just, watching my twitter feed, I have the bad feeling of being abused here. But hehe, nevermind me, just a bit dubious.
Just temporarily unfollow anyone who tweets ads at you, that's what I did.
I like seeing the tweets of pictures of pizza. I kind of have a love for pizza, just wish I could eat it more often, lol
Tier 8 and Tier 10 plzzzz... t9 will be lame because the community will choose some lame song like Gangnam Style and the video will have no comedic value.
I'm wondering if anyone knows if this promotion is international. Papa Johns is just starting to take off in Korea, and I wouldn't mind ordering a pizza to help out, but I just have no idea if the pizza I'd order would count. <Never mind my question was answered T_T, looks like I'm just going to get a tasty pizza then, and support in spirit>
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit off of "50% off" pizza).
Oh don't worry, I know that. My family own a restaurant so I'm aware of how promotion actually work out for the company.
It's just, watching my twitter feed, I have the bad feeling of being abused here. But hehe, nevermind me, just a bit dubious.
again abused how exactly? even if nothing came of this and papa john didn't ever do anything else esports related just how would it abuse you in any way shape or form? not to mention that the possible exposure for this could cause other companies to give it a try regardless of how the papa john thing works out on an individual basis.
People are complaining about this? So fucking stupid. I wish I could order pizza and I HATED PJ during the 2012 election. I just want more esports man I don't care if Phillip Morris wanted to sponsor a team
On May 22 2013 11:17 Klipsys wrote: People are complaining about this? So fucking stupid. I wish I could order pizza and I HATED PJ during the 2012 election. I just want more esports man I don't care if Phillip Morris wanted to sponsor a team
I don't feel " Let's just get bigger no matter what" is the right way to go.
On May 22 2013 11:17 Klipsys wrote: People are complaining about this? So fucking stupid. I wish I could order pizza and I HATED PJ during the 2012 election. I just want more esports man I don't care if Phillip Morris wanted to sponsor a team
so many people think that they should have the right not just to not participate but also the right to shut down anyone getting to participate in something because "i dont like that company / CEO, this shouldnt be done because i dont agree with him politically"
thats called authoritarianism and it's very popular on the internet
if you dont like it dont participate try to persuade us not to participate, dont try to shut down the party for everyone else
On May 22 2013 07:41 Noocta wrote: You know.. I'm not sure the " greater cause of Esport" is worth it. I feel we are gonna look down upon this whole thing a year or two later and say that selling ourselves like that wasn't such a good idea...
I have a big " Should we be doing this ? " moment right now. :/
What in God's name are you talking about?
I don't know. It just feel wrong to me because right now, it's not about sponsoring, it's about being a glorified marketing campaign. But I guess it's because I'm seing this from afar in Europe.
Are you kidding? It's completely about sponsorship! Yes, this is a marketing campaign as well, but things like this lead to sponsors if the campaign is successful. This is just a way for Papa John's to kind of get their foot in the door of esports and see if it's something really worth investing in, without having a big potential for loss (I can assure you they're still making a profit off of "50% off" pizza).
Oh don't worry, I know that. My family own a restaurant so I'm aware of how promotion actually work out for the company.
It's just, watching my twitter feed, I have the bad feeling of being abused here. But hehe, nevermind me, just a bit dubious.
Just temporarily unfollow anyone who tweets ads at you, that's what I did.
I like seeing the tweets of pictures of pizza. I kind of have a love for pizza, just wish I could eat it more often, lol
Well my feed wasn't pictures of pizza but more them telling me to order pizza and linking the website every 5 minutes, also the TL and EG team twitter's retweeting messages sent to them about pizza every 5 minutes.
Being Canadian this deal doesn't apply to me so I don't want my feed full of ads that aren't relevant to me.
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
People acting like this is a bad thing fucking amaze me. Rich company wants to start advertising in esports, maybe we can soon start having staff at tournaments that actually get paid. Or players can start living off of more $400 a month salaries.
People circle jerk about how bad Papa Johns is because of the Obamacare thing, yet EVERY FUCKING MAJOR CHAIN IN AMERICA DOES THE SAME THING. But some reason Papa Johns is the only one getting hate.
On May 22 2013 21:42 Juggernaut477 wrote: People acting like this is a bad thing fucking amaze me. Rich company wants to start advertising in esports, maybe we can soon start having staff at tournaments that actually get paid. Or players can start living off of more $400 a month salaries.
People circle jerk about how bad Papa Johns is because of the Obamacare thing, yet EVERY FUCKING MAJOR CHAIN IN AMERICA DOES THE SAME THING. But some reason Papa Johns is the only one getting hate.
Well the CEO using his company to somewhat threaten their costumers for political gains, obviously a lot of people are not really going to like it. That is ignoring if his political point is popular or not.
I personally think it is just good that more companies are coming in, and I hardly think PJ is bad enough for me to go "no, I don't want them, they be bad mon!". That being said, there is a line, I don't know where, but I'd personally not want just anyone to start advertising in esports.
On May 22 2013 11:17 Klipsys wrote: People are complaining about this? So fucking stupid. I wish I could order pizza and I HATED PJ during the 2012 election. I just want more esports man I don't care if Phillip Morris wanted to sponsor a team
I don't feel " Let's just get bigger no matter what" is the right way to go.
Meh it's really ignorant to just write him off as a bad guy because of the one statement. That's how a lot of ceo's feel at the moment. Guess what, if you don't have 51% of your shares, your stockholders can force you to increase your salary. Having a ceo with a huge salary is what stockholders WANT. He's kinda forced into making that much money if it's anything like a wealth of other companies and the politics that go into it. The stock holders want the "good guy costco ceo" to increase his pay, but he has 51% shares so he says no.
You don't have to agree with their politics, but if they are willing to sponsor esports, and as long as the teams aren't stupid enough to sign a contract that invalidates their rights, then everything will be fine. What are you afraid of if papa john's comes into esports? Like what bad thing could happen?
Let's look at the benefits for papa johns coming to esports.
1. Delivery drivers get more business, aka more tips, than they normally would because of fans like you at home ordering delivery.
2. Managers of papa johns facilities (I used to be a manager of a family owned pizza place, so that's what I'm talking from) have incentives to raise their sales, so you are helping them as well.
3. Lots of papa johns aren't doing well sales wise in certain areas, this will keep them from having to lay people off if you pay for more pizza due to this sponsorship.
4. The teams make more money.
5. The players make more money.
6. More content gets made.
If there is one final thing added onto that that is negative, and there is only one thing, that is that the ceo is kind of a dickhead politically. Ohnoes, so you would not do all of the 6 things I listed above, because the ceo is kind of a dickhead?
So since I just put forward a cohesive argument as to why you SHOULD support PJ in supporting esports in this instance, guess what, it's on the rest of you naysayers to have an actual cohesive argument of your own.
"CEOs a dick" "I dunno feels like selling out" are just stupid touchy feely pointless unimportant, not useful arguments. You aren't contributing anything to the discussion with acting like a teenage anarchist wearing black clothes.
On May 22 2013 11:17 Klipsys wrote: People are complaining about this? So fucking stupid. I wish I could order pizza and I HATED PJ during the 2012 election. I just want more esports man I don't care if Phillip Morris wanted to sponsor a team
I don't feel " Let's just get bigger no matter what" is the right way to go.
Meh it's really ignorant to just write him off as a bad guy because of the one statement. That's how a lot of ceo's feel at the moment. Guess what, if you don't have 51% of your shares, your stockholders can force you to increase your salary. Having a ceo with a huge salary is what stockholders WANT. He's kinda forced into making that much money if it's anything like a wealth of other companies and the politics that go into it. The stock holders want the "good guy costco ceo" to increase his pay, but he has 51% shares so he says no.
You don't have to agree with their politics, but if they are willing to sponsor esports, and as long as the teams aren't stupid enough to sign a contract that invalidates their rights, then everything will be fine. What are you afraid of if papa john's comes into esports? Like what bad thing could happen?
Let's look at the benefits for papa johns coming to esports.
1. Delivery drivers get more business, aka more tips, than they normally would because of fans like you at home ordering delivery.
2. Managers of papa johns facilities (I used to be a manager of a family owned pizza place, so that's what I'm talking from) have incentives to raise their sales, so you are helping them as well.
3. Lots of papa johns aren't doing well sales wise in certain areas, this will keep them from having to lay people off if you pay for more pizza due to this sponsorship.
4. The teams make more money.
5. The players make more money.
6. More content gets made.
If there is one final thing added onto that that is negative, and there is only one thing, that is that the ceo is kind of a dickhead politically. Ohnoes, so you would not do all of the 6 things I listed above, because the ceo is kind of a dickhead?
So since I just put forward a cohesive argument as to why you SHOULD support PJ in supporting esports in this instance, guess what, it's on the rest of you naysayers to have an actual cohesive argument of your own.
"CEOs a dick" "I dunno feels like selling out" are just stupid touchy feely pointless unimportant, not useful arguments. You aren't contributing anything to the discussion with acting like a teenage anarchist wearing black clothes.
You should read his comments... he's not talking about what the CEO believes. He's just worried that we're being taken advantage of by some corporation, and admits that he can't quite put his finger on what the problem is, but is just voicing his concerns regardless.
I too am a bit dismayed at how easy it is for a corporation to get the TL community to buy their products. You literally just have to say "we'll support esports" and people will run to the store to buy your products or in this case order as many pizzas as they can.
Its just a bit worrisome that this process is so easy, and people should rightly be concerned about whether they're being taken advantage of and consider the bigger picture. That's all...no one is saying you shouldn't buy a pizza or anything, just that we should think a bit more too and be more cautious.
On May 22 2013 21:43 Immutant wrote: I used this company's balance sheet for my financial accounting module o_o Too bad they don't have a presence in Singapore
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
You must be poor shopping there lol ^^
Never heard of Dominos?
"Geiz ist geil" rules germany .
That's why the average German spends more than twice as much on food than the average American?
The opposite is true, the trend to buy bio-food and fair-trade products is booming insanely and people deliberately spend more money to buy supposedly more natural and economically fair products.
Also, fast food chains have always been a good deal more expensive here than in the USA, just compare the pathetic German Big Mac to the American one and have a guess who pays more for theirs...
On May 23 2013 00:03 Milkis wrote: time to see if i still like chain store pizza
Despite their quality control on the ingredients, I find, in my limited sample size, that my enjoyment of Papa John's pizza is highly dependent on the particular store I order from.
On May 23 2013 00:03 Milkis wrote: time to see if i still like chain store pizza
Despite their quality control on the ingredients, I find, in my limited sample size, that my enjoyment of Papa John's pizza is highly dependent on the particular store I order from.
I find that time of day effects order quality a lot too. If you order during prime time, your pizza is more likely to be rushed through every process to get it out.
On May 23 2013 00:03 Milkis wrote: time to see if i still like chain store pizza
Despite their quality control on the ingredients, I find, in my limited sample size, that my enjoyment of Papa John's pizza is highly dependent on the particular store I order from.
You might even find that it is dependent on which employees are working that day. Though if you're good to your delivery drivers you can always affect the outcome. Last time I ordered pizza a while back I got the driver to swap out my pizza from one that looked raw to one that was pretty good.
On May 23 2013 01:02 Toadvine wrote: Next stop, Mountain Dew and Doritos, fattening up the US populace one promotion at a time.
They should have turned this down for the big money healthy home cooking sponsorship instead.
Maybe a big grocery company can sponsor teams. You can use your coupon in stores and in turn they'll give you recipes and discounts for healthier eating.
On May 22 2013 07:58 Penguinator wrote: Why are people talking about this as if it's a bad thing? I already like Papa John's more than Dominoes/Pizza Hut/Little Caesar's, and now they're having a 50% off sale to support esports. What's the downside?
Well, there hasn't been enough drama lately. Plus, while we want more sponsors to come to ESPORTS, they better have a perfect track record and follow everything we agree with. Otherwise we are just selling ourselves out or something like that. It makes drama, that's why we do it!
This actually reminds me of a post a while ago about how somebody thought he was doing a great thing by adblocking every stream that he watches, apparently we shouldn't be selling out to advertising and such. Needless to say, IdrA explained how much of a douche that guy was. We really could use IdrA in this thread as well...
P.S. Everyone: I don't know where you will ever get food from, clothes from, or most of your standard toiletries without buying from someone that probably does something you don't agree with. We should support PJs for this endeavor, because if other people see it as profitable to invest into SC2 and other games, the better for us all.
It's perfectly fine to shield yourself from advertising, both by ignoring them or by implementing some techincal solution.
If anyone tells you otherwise, they don't have your best interests in mind.
Dat eSports money, being taken by a pizza company, which in return we get awesome eSports content, which causes us to give more eSports money. *brain explodes*
It's really great to see mainstream companies having a look at esport. Too bad it's US only, I've never eaten Papa John (don't think they are present in Belgium at all). That would have been a major incentive to try a bite of their pizzas.
TLers from the US you better deliver, I wanna see those soooo bad :
Tier 7 - EG pizza eating contest between Machine, HuK, and DeMusliM casted by djWHEAT Tier 8 - iNcontroL and TLO will switch teams for a week and act as head coaches in an EG vs. Liquid off-race showmatch
Also offering 50% on their products is pretty damn good.
"Tier 7 - EG pizza eating contest between Machine, HuK, and DeMusliM casted by djWHEAT Tier 8 - iNcontroL and TLO will switch teams for a week and act as head coaches in an EG vs. Liquid off-race showmatch"
Damn you papa johns. I need to buy 100 pizzas and you are not here! I hate you. I HATE YOU.
I want you. I want you right now! at least I really wanna see these 2. (Btw Machine would win this pizza eating contest.)
Speaking of "fattening up" the eSports scene, who wants to help me get Optimum Nutrition as a personal sponsor? Sure I'm only Platinum, but if I didn't have to spend 30 seconds on Amazon every other month ordering more Delicious Optimum Nutrition 100% Gold Standard Whey Protein my practice schedule would be more refined and I'd be GM no problem!
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
You must be poor shopping there lol ^^
Never heard of Dominos?
"Geiz ist geil" rules germany .
That's why the average German spends more than twice as much on food than the average American?
The opposite is true, the trend to buy bio-food and fair-trade products is booming insanely and people deliberately spend more money to buy supposedly more natural and economically fair products.
Also, fast food chains have always been a good deal more expensive here than in the USA, just compare the pathetic German Big Mac to the American one and have a guess who pays more for theirs...
No one compares foodprices to the US... Because in the US food is basically free when compared to about any other country with a similar standard of living....
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
You must be poor shopping there lol ^^
Never heard of Dominos?
"Geiz ist geil" rules germany .
That's why the average German spends more than twice as much on food than the average American?
The opposite is true, the trend to buy bio-food and fair-trade products is booming insanely and people deliberately spend more money to buy supposedly more natural and economically fair products.
Also, fast food chains have always been a good deal more expensive here than in the USA, just compare the pathetic German Big Mac to the American one and have a guess who pays more for theirs...
No one compares foodprices to the US... Because in the US food is basically free when compared to about any other country with a similar standard of living....
This is not true, and hunger among the poor is a major if not underrepresented issue here in the States.
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
You must be poor shopping there lol ^^
Never heard of Dominos?
"Geiz ist geil" rules germany .
That's why the average German spends more than twice as much on food than the average American?
The opposite is true, the trend to buy bio-food and fair-trade products is booming insanely and people deliberately spend more money to buy supposedly more natural and economically fair products.
Also, fast food chains have always been a good deal more expensive here than in the USA, just compare the pathetic German Big Mac to the American one and have a guess who pays more for theirs...
No one compares foodprices to the US... Because in the US food is basically free when compared to about any other country with a similar standard of living....
Germany is still the nation that spends most on food...
Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Papa John's is a fucked up company with lousy social ratings like it's only possible in the USA and 3rd world contries. They absolutely HATE losing a minimal percentage of their profits for something like healthcare for their employees.
On May 23 2013 16:31 jaydee81 wrote: Papa John's is a fucked up company with lousy social ratings like it's only possible in the USA and 3rd world contries. They absolutely HATE losing a minimal percentage of their profits for something like healthcare for their employees.
That's funny because in most countries companies don't have to pay for healthcare of the employees, that falls on the government and the people themselves. The only time a company has to pay is work related injuries in Australia. Seems more like a US problem where for no reason you trust companies to cut into their profits to look after workers. Never gonna happen.
On May 22 2013 17:13 Purpose88 wrote: Never heared of this Company. Only american Junk-Food Company I know that sells Pizza is Pizza Hut. We in Germany buy our Pizza at Aldi or Lidl. ^o^
You must be poor shopping there lol ^^
Never heard of Dominos?
"Geiz ist geil" rules germany .
That's why the average German spends more than twice as much on food than the average American?
The opposite is true, the trend to buy bio-food and fair-trade products is booming insanely and people deliberately spend more money to buy supposedly more natural and economically fair products.
Also, fast food chains have always been a good deal more expensive here than in the USA, just compare the pathetic German Big Mac to the American one and have a guess who pays more for theirs...
No one compares foodprices to the US... Because in the US food is basically free when compared to about any other country with a similar standard of living....
This is not true, and hunger among the poor is a major if not underrepresented issue here in the States.
Only because minimum wage is so low in US. Here it is 16 dollars. ALSO I REALLY WANT PIZZA QQ
Ya I don't understand this community at times. Chain-Pizza is Pizza, either way you slice it, $7 for a pizza is a decent bargain. If you don't care about the discount, care about the eSport. There is a 1 week time-frame for the eSports Community to impress an incredibly successful real-world franchise.
What was the first 10-15 pages of this thread and more been filled with? Political ramifications of ordering a Pizza, because Papa Johns supports X or dislikes X, or treats customers X.
What was the first 10-15 pages of this thread and more been filled with? Political ramifications of ordering a Pizza, because Papa Johns supports X or dislikes X, or treats customers X.
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
Just to add to this: Any major company's goal is always to maximize profits. If you can get ~$10 million more in profit by having only part time employees, then a lot of times they will do it. No one likes it, and no one that buys PJs is supporting that thought process, it's just how companies operate. If you really think avoiding PJs is going to do something, then do something more useful instead such as putting pressure on the government to actually give universal healthcare (if you think every company has a responsibility to provide healthcare for people, then you should also think every citizen has that same responsibility). Almost every other first world country has universal heathcare.
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
And the CEO also stated he was wrong and raised his employee's hours so they would qualify for the healthcare he was previously against. That part doesn't make it into the thread though, because you can't be "internet outraged" about that.
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
And the CEO also stated he was wrong and raised his employee's hours so they would qualify for the healthcare he was previously against. That part doesn't make it into the thread though, because you can't be "internet outraged" about that.
I will never underestimate the ability of the internet to be outraged
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
And the CEO also stated he was wrong and raised his employee's hours so they would qualify for the healthcare he was previously against. That part doesn't make it into the thread though, because you can't be "internet outraged" about that.
On May 24 2013 06:03 MrMotionPicture wrote: I convinced my family that pizza was the best option for dinner tonight. Huzzah!
Isn't that just the best?
Tonight I'm going to go buy some ingredients to make my own pizzas. Have done it about a dozen times, always delicious, but I'm going to try making my own dough this time
On May 24 2013 06:03 MrMotionPicture wrote: I convinced my family that pizza was the best option for dinner tonight. Huzzah!
Isn't that just the best?
Tonight I'm going to go buy some ingredients to make my own pizzas. Have done it about a dozen times, always delicious, but I'm going to try making my own dough this time
The yeast is a bitch--finicky mistress. Its also the difference between having a flatbread with sauce and a pizza.
On May 24 2013 06:03 MrMotionPicture wrote: I convinced my family that pizza was the best option for dinner tonight. Huzzah!
Isn't that just the best?
Tonight I'm going to go buy some ingredients to make my own pizzas. Have done it about a dozen times, always delicious, but I'm going to try making my own dough this time
Sounds too risky for me. Dough is by far the hard part. I buy the dough and make the rest. GL
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
And the CEO also stated he was wrong and raised his employee's hours so they would qualify for the healthcare he was previously against. That part doesn't make it into the thread though, because you can't be "internet outraged" about that.
Source? All I find from about 6 months ago is that he expects they are going to cut hours, albeit profits being up 25%....
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
And the CEO also stated he was wrong and raised his employee's hours so they would qualify for the healthcare he was previously against. That part doesn't make it into the thread though, because you can't be "internet outraged" about that.
Source? All I find from about 6 months ago is that he expects they are going to cut hours, albeit profits being up 25%....
i don't think that is true. although it is typical of CEOs to throw out an apology and offer no solution *cough* sundance digiovanni.
"Tier 8 - iNcontroL and TLO will switch teams for a week and act as head coaches in an EG vs. Liquid off-race showmatch"
Haha this could become so awesome. They should definitely do some awesome wish TLO and Incontrol standing there and trash talking the other (their own) team before each game!
On May 23 2013 02:56 DJFaqU wrote: Thanks to Papa John's view on healthcare, I'll stay away from that place. Interesting that sponsors get called if players misbehave, but it's totally cool if teams get sponsored by terrible companies. What a "community".
Quite frankly, that's the view of a tremendously large number of companies and institutions in the US. I don't like it either, but there's no pizza chain that won't make most of its employees work part time to avoid healthcare coverage. Heck, you can't go to college in the United States if you want to punish an institution for not providing healthcare - most colleges are dependent on part-time lecturers that are paid crap and get no benefits.
Papa John's is considering supporting e-sports. That's good enough for me. It's not like any other pizza company is going to be better, except perhaps a local independent.
And while I hadn't ordered a delivered pizza in years - my Papa Johns pepperoni-mushroom-olive pizza was excellent.
Edit: As for the 14c for healthcare thing - heck, sure the CEO is an idiot. But he's a useful idiot. That statement totally backfired and pointed out to everyone how CHEAP it is for these companies to provide healthcare for their employees if they wanted to.
I am in the belief that all evil men are capable of doing some good and must be praised for their rare acts of esports kindness in the hope they they will, at some point, begin to see what joy being giving brings to them.
I don't believe in chastizing someone for all eternity for something he said a year or more ago.
He's still a dick--but it is possible for douchebags to do nice things.
And the CEO also stated he was wrong and raised his employee's hours so they would qualify for the healthcare he was previously against. That part doesn't make it into the thread though, because you can't be "internet outraged" about that.
Source? All I find from about 6 months ago is that he expects they are going to cut hours, albeit profits being up 25%....
i don't think that is true. although it is typical of CEOs to throw out an apology and offer no solution *cough* sundance digiovanni.
That particular trait is unique only to CEOs I agree.
So uh not really wanting to bump the fuck out of this thread, but did the cross game matches happen already?? I was kinda looking forward to those.. but have not seen anything about them. Any intel?
On July 17 2013 22:04 elanobissen wrote: What happened to this papa johns thing? They got a shit ton of pizza orders. And the esports scene gets..... ?
A lot of half off pizza?
I think the last I saw incontrol said something about scheduling issues. I could be wrong though
On July 17 2013 22:04 elanobissen wrote: What happened to this papa johns thing? They got a shit ton of pizza orders. And the esports scene gets..... ?
This stuff takes time and these sorts of deals don't happen over night. Just because a crap ton of pizza got sold does not mean that in two month unlimit Papa Johns money will come flowing into the scene.
Having bought quite a bit of pizza from Papa Johns, specifically for this challenge, I would be sad if nothing came of it and especially upset if we never got the showmatch we were promised. Reaching that particular tier was a big reason why I was so enthusiastic about supporting this. I feel like the community at least deserves an explanation or a response regarding the match, even if all it is an acknowledgment that the teams still owe the community the match and that there have been scheduling issues.
On July 17 2013 22:44 looknohands119 wrote: Having bought quite a bit of pizza from Papa Johns, specifically for this challenge, I would be sad if nothing came of it and especially upset if we never got the showmatch we were promised. Reaching that particular tier was a big reason why I was so enthusiastic about supporting this. I feel like the community at least deserves an explanation or a response regarding the match, even if all it is an acknowledgment that the teams still owe the community the match and that there have been scheduling issues.
there was already a response on Reddit by Catz, don t remember what he said, but just wait plea se
Honestly, I hope this thing proved to papa johns it is worth while to sponsor a team or even an event. Like if they decided to sponsor root gaming, if a root player wins WCS or something, "half off pizza using code ROOT4Root." That would be pretty awesome.
did anyone ever get outraged by eSpoRTs being supported by papa johns? iirc there was some political stuff but i dont remember if anyone made a big deal about it
On July 17 2013 22:45 HeeroFX wrote: Honestly, I hope this thing proved to papa johns it is worth while to sponsor a team or even an event. Like if they decided to sponsor root gaming, if a root player wins WCS or something, "half off pizza using code ROOT4Root." That would be pretty awesome.
I would rather they sponsored an entire tournament like WCS NA(Yes, WCS can get sponsors along with Blizzard, it is part of the master plan), since it helps everyone. The league gets more money coming in and that would work its way down to the teams through better support. Team sponsors are great, but money going directly to the leagues is what will keep the show running.
On July 17 2013 22:47 tshi wrote: did anyone ever get outraged by eSpoRTs being supported by papa johns? iirc there was some political stuff but i dont remember if anyone made a big deal about it
There was certainly some opposition to the concept of PapaJohns' sponsorship, but there was largely positive support.
On July 17 2013 22:04 elanobissen wrote: What happened to this papa johns thing? They got a shit ton of pizza orders. And the esports scene gets..... ?
tbh, I was happy with the half-off pizza. It was a good deal.
On July 17 2013 23:33 zalem95 wrote: what happen with the tiers?
From reports, people got super busy due to MLG, WCS and other stuff. They want to do it, but they don't want to do it half assed.
So they wont do it at all ? thats so...
Those are some some creative reading skills you have there. Maybe I should have been so clear that no one could be confused. They will do it later. And when I say later, I mean, that no babies that are being conceived today will be born before then.
On July 17 2013 23:53 Ureth_RA wrote: These teams just lie to get what they want. That is why fanbases can't grow in esports.
LOL, we all get half off pizza and he is upset because they didn't make a bunch of silly youtube videos and AMAs. Troll hard my friend.
On July 17 2013 23:58 Sermokala wrote: It has been a really long time from when it happened and we havn't heard nearly anything about a couple of the teirs.
They talked about it on 2 weeks ago in inside the game and said "We want to get to it, but everyone is really busy. Don't worry guys, we haven't forgotten."
On July 17 2013 23:58 Sermokala wrote: It has been a really long time from when it happened and we havn't heard nearly anything about a couple of the teirs.
They talked about it on 2 weeks ago in inside the game and said "We want to get to it, but everyone is really busy. Don't worry guys, we haven't forgotten."
Thanks for the update! Can't wait for some of that awesome stuff that's still to come
I thought this was a good idea overall and it brought in a new sponsor to ESPORTS.
But, they need to make more realistic rewards, clearly what was promised was foreseeably undeliverable within a reasonable time frame (that time has now passed). People might be much more hesitate if a similar campaign/sponsorship arises in the future.
Next time guys, take it down a few notches and give rewards you can actually provide otherwise no one is going to take it seriously.
On July 18 2013 00:05 Netsky wrote: I thought this was a good idea overall and it brought in a new sponsor to ESPORTS.
But, they need to make more realistic rewards, clearly what was promised was foreseeably undeliverable within a reasonable time frame (that time has now passed). People might be much more hesitate if a similar campaign/sponsorship arises in the future.
Next time guys, take it down a few notches and give rewards you can actually provide otherwise no one is going to take it seriously.
What you consider a "reasonable time frame" for some of the things these professional gaming teams have promised is not in my opinion reasonable at all. Just take a moment and think about all the things both of these teams and their players are doing. TL or EG never made any promises they couldn't keep about the time frame for these rewards. You sir, need to learn to have some patience, not everything in this world happens at your convenience
On July 18 2013 00:05 Netsky wrote: I thought this was a good idea overall and it brought in a new sponsor to ESPORTS.
But, they need to make more realistic rewards, clearly what was promised was foreseeably undeliverable within a reasonable time frame (that time has now passed). People might be much more hesitate if a similar campaign/sponsorship arises in the future.
Next time guys, take it down a few notches and give rewards you can actually provide otherwise no one is going to take it seriously.
What you consider a "reasonable time frame" for some of the things these professional gaming teams have promised is not in my opinion reasonable at all. Just take a moment and think about all the things both of these teams and their players are doing. TL or EG never made any promises they couldn't keep about the time frame for these rewards. You sir, need to learn to have some patience, not everything in this world happens at your convenience
What would be a much smarter idea is to schedule deals like this around the existing schedule of the teams, instead of having it at a random time. If, lets say, they'll be able to do it 2 weeks from now, the offer should have been now instead of several months ago, so people wouldn't forget about it by the time they're actually free to do it.
On July 18 2013 00:05 Netsky wrote: I thought this was a good idea overall and it brought in a new sponsor to ESPORTS.
But, they need to make more realistic rewards, clearly what was promised was foreseeably undeliverable within a reasonable time frame (that time has now passed). People might be much more hesitate if a similar campaign/sponsorship arises in the future.
Next time guys, take it down a few notches and give rewards you can actually provide otherwise no one is going to take it seriously.
What you consider a "reasonable time frame" for some of the things these professional gaming teams have promised is not in my opinion reasonable at all. Just take a moment and think about all the things both of these teams and their players are doing. TL or EG never made any promises they couldn't keep about the time frame for these rewards. You sir, need to learn to have some patience, not everything in this world happens at your convenience
What would be a much smarter idea is to schedule deals like this around the existing schedule of the teams, instead of having it at a random time. If, lets say, they'll be able to do it 2 weeks from now, the offer should have been now instead of several months ago, so people wouldn't forget about it by the time they're actually free to do it.
I see your point, and agree to some extent. However, this seemed more like a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for the teams and e-sports to try and make a new kind of partner, which could be the start of something really big if it in the future is going to lead to more big food chains sponsoring e-sports in one way or another. So I guess the whole deal was put together in somewhat of a hurry(?), and the time frame for giving the community rewards wasn't the first priority. The teams just really wanted to impress Papa John's, and that they achieved I believe. For that reason I'm happy to wait even a long while for these rewards
EDIT: Not like I contributed by buying pizza anyhow (or anyone else outside the US for that matter), lol
On July 18 2013 00:05 Netsky wrote: I thought this was a good idea overall and it brought in a new sponsor to ESPORTS.
But, they need to make more realistic rewards, clearly what was promised was foreseeably undeliverable within a reasonable time frame (that time has now passed). People might be much more hesitate if a similar campaign/sponsorship arises in the future.
Next time guys, take it down a few notches and give rewards you can actually provide otherwise no one is going to take it seriously.
What you consider a "reasonable time frame" for some of the things these professional gaming teams have promised is not in my opinion reasonable at all. Just take a moment and think about all the things both of these teams and their players are doing. TL or EG never made any promises they couldn't keep about the time frame for these rewards. You sir, need to learn to have some patience, not everything in this world happens at your convenience
No, what I'm saying is that the teams would know that there is too much going on for the players involved in these promises so it was foreseeable before they are even made that they would not be deliverable.
What I think happened is they got hyped at the idea and then made up a bunch of stuff on the spot, but didn't think about how they would actually do it.
On July 17 2013 23:33 zalem95 wrote: what happen with the tiers?
From reports, people got super busy due to MLG, WCS and other stuff. They want to do it, but they don't want to do it half assed.
So they wont do it at all ? thats so...
I don't understand how you read "they want to do it, but not right now" as "never"
You think they are actually going to come and say "No, we'll never do it"?
Of course not, they'd get a ton of heat for that. They might just keep stringing us along with lame excuses until everyone forgets. That is how most companies work.
It will be too bad if it turns out EG and TL work that way too.
On July 18 2013 00:17 Ureth_RA wrote: People keep saying "half off pizza" when really it still cost more than the normal papa johns deal...
I demand a refund
Why do you keep saying things that are flat out wrong? Just because you found a sale that cost less later on does not mean that the half off pizza wasn't half off.
And people are really getting bent out of shape about youtube videos that will come at a later date? I mean, I could see if it was something that cost money or was going to expire, but its just youtube videoes and reddit AMAs.
On July 17 2013 23:33 zalem95 wrote: what happen with the tiers?
From reports, people got super busy due to MLG, WCS and other stuff. They want to do it, but they don't want to do it half assed.
So they wont do it at all ? thats so...
I don't understand how you read "they want to do it, but not right now" as "never"
Because the longer you stretch it out, the more likely it gets dropped. That is just the way things like this tend to go. Not on purpose but just forgotten.
On July 17 2013 23:33 zalem95 wrote: what happen with the tiers?
From reports, people got super busy due to MLG, WCS and other stuff. They want to do it, but they don't want to do it half assed.
So they wont do it at all ? thats so...
I don't understand how you read "they want to do it, but not right now" as "never"
You think they are actually going to come and say "No, we'll never do it"?
Of course not, they'd get a ton of heat for that. They might just keep stringing us along with lame excuses until everyone forgets. That is how most companies work.
It will be too bad if it turns out EG and TL work that way too.
No, they actually came out and said "we will do it. We haven't forgotten about it" just a week ago. Thats the exact opposite of "we'll never do it". You're reading skills are left wanting..
On July 17 2013 23:33 zalem95 wrote: what happen with the tiers?
From reports, people got super busy due to MLG, WCS and other stuff. They want to do it, but they don't want to do it half assed.
So they wont do it at all ? thats so...
I don't understand how you read "they want to do it, but not right now" as "never"
You think they are actually going to come and say "No, we'll never do it"?
Of course not, they'd get a ton of heat for that. They might just keep stringing us along with lame excuses until everyone forgets. That is how most companies work.
It will be too bad if it turns out EG and TL work that way too.
No, they actually came out and said "we will do it. We haven't forgotten about it" just a week ago. Thats the exact opposite of "we'll never do it". You're reading skills are left wanting..
I think there is a language barrier issue here.
Thankfully though, you know enough English to try and insult me, but I'm not the fool here.
You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
On July 18 2013 01:00 URLateral wrote: You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
Thats ok, this has nothing to do with the Dota 2 team..
On July 18 2013 01:00 URLateral wrote: You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
Thats ok, this has nothing to do with the Dota 2 team..
Yes, that is correct, but the same group of people who are dealing with TI3 are the people what would be setting up these videos. TL does not have unlimited staff.
They will get to making the funny youtube videos at some point, but its freaking busy for Esports teams right now.
On July 18 2013 01:00 URLateral wrote: You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
Thats ok, this has nothing to do with the Dota 2 team..
Yes, that is correct, but the same group of people who are dealing with TI3 are the people what would be setting up these videos. TL does not have unlimited staff.
They will get to making the funny youtube videos at some point, but its freaking busy for Esports teams right now.
I am talking about the cross game showmatchs Incontrol was saying that Liquids dota 2 team will play EGs Dota 2 team and liquids sc2 team will play egs and roots sc2 teams in dota 2 I believe and If they are going in order from 1-10 doing all of them this one would be before the off race showmatch
On July 18 2013 01:00 URLateral wrote: You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
Thats ok, this has nothing to do with the Dota 2 team..
Yes, that is correct, but the same group of people who are dealing with TI3 are the people what would be setting up these videos. TL does not have unlimited staff.
They will get to making the funny youtube videos at some point, but its freaking busy for Esports teams right now.
I am talking about the cross game showmatchs Incontrol was saying that Liquids dota 2 team will play EGs Dota 2 team and liquids sc2 team will play egs and roots sc2 teams in dota 2 I believe and If they are going in order from 1-10 doing all of them this one would be before the off race showmatch
Oh, I didn't know they where going to involve their dota teams as well. Then yes, they would have to wait until after TI3. And, like Plansix said, their staff might just be too busy as well preparing for the big tourney.
Would be nice if we have a update in what already happened. I remember that the eating contest was already done, but what about the cross game showmatches? This will probably be the funny tier, I don't want to lose
On July 18 2013 01:05 Ureth_RA wrote: Maybe Liquid is trolling all of us for our money... This is a travesty
I demand a refund
^^^^ ignore the troll, his attempts are pathetic
as for the actual promotion, I REALLY wish there was some sort of official announcement, either by PJs themselves or the people involved, as to when/how/why this is all going down. not some 2-sentence toss-in during a SOTG or something, but an actual "Papa Johns Contest Update" video
On July 18 2013 01:00 URLateral wrote: You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
Thats ok, this has nothing to do with the Dota 2 team..
Yes, that is correct, but the same group of people who are dealing with TI3 are the people what would be setting up these videos. TL does not have unlimited staff.
They will get to making the funny youtube videos at some point, but its freaking busy for Esports teams right now.
It's going to be busy year round though, and EG obviously has enough staff to manage both their teams and marketing at the same time as they do all the time with the videos and such.
I'm not too terribly concerned about this tier stuff but I can see why people would be upset It's taking so long.
On July 19 2013 02:47 Eggi wrote: you know there was MLG not to long ago...
that was the "next big NA event"
t.t. happy i didnt buy any pizza. well i couldnt I live in canada :D
What does this even mean? You need to complete your thoughts, rather than rely on me to fill in the blanks.
I think he's saying that it was expected the " pizza party at a NA event " would happen at MLG but it didn't.( I don't know if it actually did or not, I didn't go.)
On July 18 2013 01:00 URLateral wrote: You guys need to also consider the fact that Liquids dota 2 team right now is boot camping and getting ready for Ti3 the biggest dota tournament of the year so i don't think Liquid wants to start this until after TI3 which will be august 14th i think
Thats ok, this has nothing to do with the Dota 2 team..
Yes, that is correct, but the same group of people who are dealing with TI3 are the people what would be setting up these videos. TL does not have unlimited staff.
They will get to making the funny youtube videos at some point, but its freaking busy for Esports teams right now.
It's going to be busy year round though, and EG obviously has enough staff to manage both their teams and marketing at the same time as they do all the time with the videos and such.
I'm not too terribly concerned about this tier stuff but I can see why people would be upset It's taking so long.
On July 19 2013 02:47 Eggi wrote: you know there was MLG not to long ago...
that was the "next big NA event"
t.t. happy i didnt buy any pizza. well i couldnt I live in canada :D
What does this even mean? You need to complete your thoughts, rather than rely on me to fill in the blanks.
I think he's saying that it was expected the " pizza party at a NA event " would happen at MLG but it didn't.( I don't know if it actually did or not, I didn't go.)
Well MLG was a big question mark up if SC2 was even going to be there, so that wasn't really a good place to plan a pizza party. I think they want to plan that out a bit more than 2 weeks before hand.
As for the issues with EG having enough staff, the next teir is the EG, TL, ROOT cross game match, which will likely include their dota 2 teams as well. Since IT3 is coming up a couple of weeks, that is going to put a damper on that.
Honestly, I'm more interested in knowing if the whole campaign made Papa John invest in these teams or not. I don't care about the AMA, the videos and the fluff.
On July 19 2013 02:56 Noocta wrote: Honestly, I'm more interested in knowing if the whole campaign made Papa John invest in these teams or not. I don't care about the AMA, the videos and the fluff.
Yeah I'm interested in that as well, I have to wonder what the teams even got out of this.
Would of been better if 1 dollar was split amongst the team.....mostly because the prizes are turning into a joke. What a year from now they going to suddenly pop up "hey guys remember that pizza thing a year ago? Well heres your prizes!" no one will care at that point.
Looks to be a shameless cash grab with no real management.
On July 19 2013 03:07 FromShouri wrote: Would of been better if 1 dollar was split amongst the team.....mostly because the prizes are turning into a joke. What a year from now they going to suddenly pop up "hey guys remember that pizza thing a year ago? Well heres your prizes!" no one will care at that point.
Looks to be a shameless cash grab with no real management.
Yes, but where is the surprise here? Papa John's and the teams got marketing attention out of this; you got cheaper pizza. That was never about anything else. Come on people; please don't be so naive.
On July 19 2013 03:07 FromShouri wrote: Would of been better if 1 dollar was split amongst the team.....mostly because the prizes are turning into a joke. What a year from now they going to suddenly pop up "hey guys remember that pizza thing a year ago? Well heres your prizes!" no one will care at that point.
Looks to be a shameless cash grab with no real management.
Yes, but where is the surprise here? Papa John's and the teams got marketing attention out of this; you got cheaper pizza. That was never about anything else. Come on people; please don't be so naive.
i think a genuine sentiment i had was whether or not the marketing attention was great enough to warrant further cooperation or sponsorship in the future between papa john's and US teams. it would certainly make sense to have an esports favourite pizza as nerds eat a lot of pizza.
On July 19 2013 02:56 Noocta wrote: Honestly, I'm more interested in knowing if the whole campaign made Papa John invest in these teams or not. I don't care about the AMA, the videos and the fluff.
Yeah I'm interested in that as well, I have to wonder what the teams even got out of this.
I am listening to Inside the Game right now and Incontrol confirmed that folks are still in talks with Papa Johns. He also said, and I qoute:
"Big Companies take forever to do anything."
A someone who works for very large companies, mostly international in nature, I will confirm this. We are talking 2-4 day turn around on a single email and 3-5 days to set up a phone call with someone worth talking to. Its a long haul.
On July 19 2013 02:56 Noocta wrote: Honestly, I'm more interested in knowing if the whole campaign made Papa John invest in these teams or not. I don't care about the AMA, the videos and the fluff.
Yeah I'm interested in that as well, I have to wonder what the teams even got out of this.
I am listening to Inside the Game right now and Incontrol confirmed that folks are still in talks with Papa Johns. He also said, and I qoute:
"Big Companies take forever to do anything."
A someone who works for very large companies, mostly international in nature, I will confirm this. We are talking 2-4 day turn around on a single email and 3-5 days to set up a phone call with someone worth talking to. Its a long haul.
This can depend. I work for a company that is extremely large and does things extremely quickly--but my last company (also large) took forever to do anything close to significant. In my current company we could knock this out in a week or two.
On July 19 2013 02:56 Noocta wrote: Honestly, I'm more interested in knowing if the whole campaign made Papa John invest in these teams or not. I don't care about the AMA, the videos and the fluff.
Yeah I'm interested in that as well, I have to wonder what the teams even got out of this.
I am listening to Inside the Game right now and Incontrol confirmed that folks are still in talks with Papa Johns. He also said, and I qoute:
"Big Companies take forever to do anything."
A someone who works for very large companies, mostly international in nature, I will confirm this. We are talking 2-4 day turn around on a single email and 3-5 days to set up a phone call with someone worth talking to. Its a long haul.
I respond almost immediately to e-mails and work for a Fortune 100 company. You take 48 hours to respond and you've already lost business to your competitor. Compeitition is absolutely cutthroat for most companies, despite what people think about price fixing and price gouging.
On July 19 2013 05:13 iNcontroL wrote: Hey guys I noticed we were adding up examples of large companies moving fast or slow so I wanted to win:
I know of over 1000 fortune 50 companies that take 2-16 years to reply to emails
So uh, I win.
Well I have examples of companies that respond to the email before I finish writting it. They have super future tech that lets them know about what people want before they want it.
Seriously folks, shit takes time. I don't get why people want to think that it doesn't because someone at their work responses to email quickly.
Atleast tell us what happening. Saying "other companies are slow" is like being the kid in class who got a F and laughs with his other friends who also got a low mark also. Dont be those companies, be the better company.
not disappear for a while and hope we forget. It was really cool a week or two after to see stuff coming.
Now if it does come its 100x less effective, bad marketing imo. Could capitalize on more pizza's 1-1.5 months after. 6-12 months after its like "oh i bought pizzas from these guys, cool I guess they came through with it, standard esports downtime."
You couldve had "hey guys here is the ______ tier achievement. Lets sit down watch some games and get some more pizzas!(have a certain % off coupon code again) That way PPJ can really cement themselves in the Esports market as being the Go2pizza for esports events etc.
do you always be known for "standard esports downtime?" lets get some legitimacy going and better marketing. Unless it was a good cheap cash grab for PPJ, flash marketing strategy for PPJ and we'll never hear of em again.
On July 19 2013 05:32 Eggi wrote: Atleast tell us what happening. Saying "other companies are slow" is like being the kid in class who got a F and laughs with his other friends who also got a low mark also. Dont be those companies, be the better company.
not disappear for a while and hope we forget. It was really cool a week or two after to see stuff coming.
Now if it does come its 100x less effective, bad marketing imo. Could capitalize on more pizza's 1-1.5 months after. 6-12 months after its like "oh i bought pizzas from these guys, cool I guess they came through with it, standard esports downtime."
You couldve had "hey guys here is the ______ tier achievement. Lets sit down watch some games and get some more pizzas!(have a certain % off coupon code again) That way PPJ can really cement themselves in the Esports market as being the Go2pizza for esports events etc.
do you always be known for "standard esports downtime?" lets get some legitimacy going and better marketing. Unless it was a good cheap cash grab for PPJ, flash marketing strategy for PPJ and we'll never hear of em again.
They did tell you want what happening. They are talking with people. The best way to kill a deal is to talk about it publicly, companies don't like that at all(people too, for that matter). Don't expect insider information on everything. You don't get to know the inner workings of sponsorship deals with people like Tiger Woods.
On July 19 2013 05:32 Eggi wrote: Atleast tell us what happening. Saying "other companies are slow" is like being the kid in class who got a F and laughs with his other friends who also got a low mark also. Dont be those companies, be the better company.
not disappear for a while and hope we forget. It was really cool a week or two after to see stuff coming.
Now if it does come its 100x less effective, bad marketing imo. Could capitalize on more pizza's 1-1.5 months after. 6-12 months after its like "oh i bought pizzas from these guys, cool I guess they came through with it, standard esports downtime."
You couldve had "hey guys here is the ______ tier achievement. Lets sit down watch some games and get some more pizzas!(have a certain % off coupon code again) That way PPJ can really cement themselves in the Esports market as being the Go2pizza for esports events etc.
do you always be known for "standard esports downtime?" lets get some legitimacy going and better marketing. Unless it was a good cheap cash grab for PPJ, flash marketing strategy for PPJ and we'll never hear of em again.
They did tell you want what happening. They are talking with people. The best way to kill a deal is to talk about it publicly, companies don't like that at all(people too, for that matter). Don't expect insider information on everything. You don't get to know the inner workings of sponsorship deals with people like Tiger Woods.
Why are we talking about sponsorship deals and inner workings of them? The original necro of the thread is asking when the tier rewards will be done, which has 0 to do with papa john's the company, since it's only b/w tl and eg.
On July 19 2013 05:32 Eggi wrote: Atleast tell us what happening. Saying "other companies are slow" is like being the kid in class who got a F and laughs with his other friends who also got a low mark also. Dont be those companies, be the better company.
not disappear for a while and hope we forget. It was really cool a week or two after to see stuff coming.
Now if it does come its 100x less effective, bad marketing imo. Could capitalize on more pizza's 1-1.5 months after. 6-12 months after its like "oh i bought pizzas from these guys, cool I guess they came through with it, standard esports downtime."
You couldve had "hey guys here is the ______ tier achievement. Lets sit down watch some games and get some more pizzas!(have a certain % off coupon code again) That way PPJ can really cement themselves in the Esports market as being the Go2pizza for esports events etc.
do you always be known for "standard esports downtime?" lets get some legitimacy going and better marketing. Unless it was a good cheap cash grab for PPJ, flash marketing strategy for PPJ and we'll never hear of em again.
They did tell you want what happening. They are talking with people. The best way to kill a deal is to talk about it publicly, companies don't like that at all(people too, for that matter). Don't expect insider information on everything. You don't get to know the inner workings of sponsorship deals with people like Tiger Woods.
Why are we talking about sponsorship deals and inner workings of them? The original necro of the thread is asking when the tier rewards will be done, which has 0 to do with papa john's the company, since it's only b/w tl and eg.
If you go back one page, you will see that has been addressed and people have moved on to new topics.
I don't know why people are complaining. I mean it's only been a couple of months right? Call me when it gets to be a year like the promised day9 and husky sex and the city vid, then I might raise an eyebrow.
On July 19 2013 06:10 Eggi wrote: wasnt it b/w ROOT also? or am i dreaming
edit: dont you think the people that bought your product should know what happening? we know your "talking" i would hope you guys are.
tell me something i dont know
Here: let me tell you everything I know!
It all began....
... and so, you can see we are now happy!
My post earlier is literally everything I know. Alex Garfield speaks with PPJ and oddly enough he doesn't report back to us on a line by line basis. When we have something to share we will share it. There is no conspiracy or anything like that. You can argue against me about how fast it takes companies to respond and that won't change my tune as it is the reality we live in atm.
I hope something comes of this really soon but it probably won't. It will take time.
As for the tiers (which I addressed earlier) I will reiterate: I am not in charge of making sure these are done. This is a multi-team effort that takes a lot of moving parts. I ask about it semi regularly and we all say "yeah we need to do that asap" and that is where we are!
On July 19 2013 06:10 Eggi wrote: wasnt it b/w ROOT also? or am i dreaming
edit: dont you think the people that bought your product should know what happening? we know your "talking" i would hope you guys are.
tell me something i dont know
Here: let me tell you everything I know!
It all began....
... and so, you can see we are now happy!
My post earlier is literally everything I know. Alex Garfield speaks with PPJ and oddly enough he doesn't report back to us on a line by line basis. When we have something to share we will share it. There is no conspiracy or anything like that. You can argue against me about how fast it takes companies to respond and that won't change my tune as it is the reality we live in atm.
I hope something comes of this really soon but it probably won't. It will take time.
As for the tiers (which I addressed earlier) I will reiterate: I am not in charge of making sure these are done. This is a multi-team effort that takes a lot of moving parts. I ask about it semi regularly and we all say "yeah we need to do that asap" and that is where we are!
If you guys did your research and ran the promotion through big sausage pizza instead of poppa john's pizza you would have had a quicker reply.
On July 19 2013 06:10 Eggi wrote: wasnt it b/w ROOT also? or am i dreaming
edit: dont you think the people that bought your product should know what happening? we know your "talking" i would hope you guys are.
tell me something i dont know
Here: let me tell you everything I know!
It all began....
... and so, you can see we are now happy!
My post earlier is literally everything I know. Alex Garfield speaks with PPJ and oddly enough he doesn't report back to us on a line by line basis. When we have something to share we will share it. There is no conspiracy or anything like that. You can argue against me about how fast it takes companies to respond and that won't change my tune as it is the reality we live in atm.
I hope something comes of this really soon but it probably won't. It will take time.
As for the tiers (which I addressed earlier) I will reiterate: I am not in charge of making sure these are done. This is a multi-team effort that takes a lot of moving parts. I ask about it semi regularly and we all say "yeah we need to do that asap" and that is where we are!
If you guys did your research and ran the promotion through big sausage pizza instead of poppa john's pizza you would have had a quicker reply.
I'm certain iNcontrol himself just went "Guys, we need a pizza sponsor. Who should we pick?". Because thats totally how things like this work
Have any of the tiers been 'paid' out yet? Some seem really easy like the gift cards or merch giveaways. I haven't kept up with this but it does kind of suck so little has come from it (so far) at least regarding the tiers. The tiers seemed to be from the team/community side so I did hold them to a higher standard. I certainly expected most of them to be done by now, perhaps naively. I never really expected any mega announcement that papajohns would be a new lead sponsor and savior to esports so I'm not sure what people expected from them. It was a promotional event, that's all. At the end of the day I bought pizza with the TL Dota2 team link because it was a good deal and I got to offer a little support, the tiers were an afterthought.
On July 19 2013 09:04 crms wrote: Have any of the tiers been 'paid' out yet? Some seem really easy like the gift cards or merch giveaways. I haven't kept up with this but it does kind of suck so little has come from it (so far) at least regarding the tiers. The tiers seemed to be from the team/community side so I did hold them to a higher standard. I certainly expected most of them to be done by now, perhaps naively. I never really expected any mega announcement that papajohns would be a new lead sponsor and savior to esports so I'm not sure what people expected from them. It was a promotional event, that's all. At the end of the day I bought pizza with the TL Dota2 team link because it was a good deal and I got to offer a little support, the tiers were an afterthought.
They did the pizza eating contest, and I think they held an AMA thing on stream when that finished, it was a while ago though so I don't remember the details.
Weren't you guys happy with 50% off pizza for Fucks Sake!! Wingblade I take Offense! I am American and I am really happy just to get half off pizza that was super awesome... Except for my diet...
On July 17 2013 23:33 zalem95 wrote: what happen with the tiers?
From reports, people got super busy due to MLG, WCS and other stuff. They want to do it, but they don't want to do it half assed.
So they wont do it at all ? thats so...
I don't understand how you read "they want to do it, but not right now" as "never"
...They might just keep stringing us along with lame excuses until everyone forgets. That is how most companies work....
The fact still remains, you are whining about half off pizza and youtube videos. You already got the half off pizza. Its a three day weekend, got outside and have fun, maybe the funny youtube videos will be here when you get back.
And we aren't complaining because we got half off pizza. We are complaining because EG and TL aren't delivering on what they said they would.
Pretty sure one of the points of Plato's Republic is that the simplest definition of justice is doing what you say you will. If you can't at least do that, then one is unjust. And there is no logical rebuttal.
If you think there is, feel free to explain it to me, and the rest of the philosophical community...
On August 31 2013 13:02 BronzeKnee wrote: And we aren't complaining because we got half off pizza. We are complaining because EG and TL aren't delivering on what they said they would.
Pretty sure one of the points of Plato's Republic is that the simplest definition of justice is doing what you say you will. If you can't at least do that, then one is unjust. And there is no logical rebuttal.
If you think there, feel free to explain to me, and the rest of the philosophical community...
Did you just try and bring Plato's Republic into an argument about funny youtube videos and show matches? Why would you lower it to such a level? Although you are correct they should follow through, are youtube videos worth indignation and outrage over? At the end of the day, are we not entertained by EG, Root and TL?
But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage (I actually won't even watch the videos, but that is besides the point), but you can feel free to disagree.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
And I'm happy you voiced your opinion.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
You should read Plato's Republic, and I'll recommend the Tao Te Ching to you too. You might learn a thing or two.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
Nothing. But I have faith they won't. I don't worry myself about you tube videos I won't get. It to minor to be bothered with or get upset about. There are plent of good things to watch and enjoy, so they can release the YouTube videos later. And if people want to get about it, they can. And I will continue to point out all those teams have provided quality entertainment since.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
And I'm happy you voiced your opinion.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
But I have faith they won't.
Based on their history with the E-Sports Tiers, you would say "well they didn't follow through on that thing important to those guys, but I'm sure they will follow through on what is important to me"?
Well, as Donald Rumsfeld said, "freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things."
As you wish. I'll never buy a used car with you, or place a bet based on your advice...
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
And I'm happy you voiced your opinion.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
But I have faith they won't.
Based on their history with the E-Sports Tiers?
Well, as Donald Rumsfeld said, "freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things."
As you wish. I'll never buy a used car with you, or place a bet based on your advice...
You can believe that. I said I trusted TL, EG and Root, not the world at large. They are not used car sales men. You keep trying to make this about more than it is. It is minor and has no negative impact on my life. If it did, I might be a little less trusting. But that is not the case.
I gotta agree with BronzeKnee. If TL/EG/Root promised that they'll release those videos or do whatever for those tiers then they should follow through. Giving them a pass and eventually sweeping it under the rug is not the way to go because it means that in the future, they can do such things again. I personally could care less since I didn't buy any pizza and don't care much for what they promised lol but I'm sure some people bought pizza just to try and help the community reach the different tiers.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
And I'm happy you voiced your opinion.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
But I have faith they won't.
Based on their history with the E-Sports Tiers?
Well, as Donald Rumsfeld said, "freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things."
As you wish. I'll never buy a used car with you, or place a bet based on your advice...
You can believe that. I said I trusted TL, EG and Root, not the world at large. They are not used car sales men. You keep trying to make this about more than it is. It is minor and has no negative impact on my life. If it did, I might be a little less trusting. But that is not the case.
So again, you would say "well they didn't follow through on that thing important to those guys, but I'm sure they will follow through on what is important to me" because you have faith they will?
On August 31 2013 13:43 lichter wrote: BronzeKnee sure likes to name drop
I mean I agree they need to hold up their end of the bargain but sheesh man
Hey, just taking it all the way to teach someone. I gotta lead the horses to water man... whether or not they drink isn't up to me. But I have to do all I can, for me.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
And I'm happy you voiced your opinion.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
But I have faith they won't.
Based on their history with the E-Sports Tiers?
Well, as Donald Rumsfeld said, "freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things."
As you wish. I'll never buy a used car with you, or place a bet based on your advice...
You can believe that. I said I trusted TL, EG and Root, not the world at large. They are not used car sales men. You keep trying to make this about more than it is. It is minor and has no negative impact on my life. If it did, I might be a little less trusting. But that is not the case.
So again, you would say "well they didn't follow through on that thing important to those guys, but I'm sure they will follow through on what is important to me" because you have faith they won't?
Nope. I think they will follow through later and I don't give a shit of they never do. I am unhurt by the lack of the YouTube videos and I believe that all three teams wouldn't do something that would have a negative impact on me. I am not upset for the sake of being upset.
On August 31 2013 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote: But instead, you'll tell me how to feel, and not to whine about half off pizza and a bunch of youtube videos, because you believe you can decide for me what I should think is important or not. Big surprise. No elitism there huh?
Nice. Because God forbid I actually use what I've learned in life, and apply it huh? Especially when what I've learned disagrees with your opinion?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who says or does it, no matter how big or small. And I call it how I see it. So yes, I do think this is worth outrage, but you can feel free to disagree.
I do disagree. I think it's a waste of time. EG, TL and Root have provided me with great entertainment since and I don't feel there is any reason to complain. Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it. And just like you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.
And I'm happy you voiced your opinion.
Sure, they have not brought me exactly what was promised, but I don't mind. I feel no need to jump on the moral high groung and I think it's silly to be outraged about it.
I once wrote a response to one of your messages about how I'd hate going to buy a used car with you because your such an apologist, willing to let everyone walk all over you and apologize for their poor behavior. But then I deleted it.
At least you admit it now, so I can confirm my belief.
But the issue (for you at least) becomes what is stopping TL or EG in the future from failing to follow through on something else important to some people, say something you think is important?
Certainly not your opinions now. In fact, you're giving them a free pass for the future.
But I have faith they won't.
Based on their history with the E-Sports Tiers?
Well, as Donald Rumsfeld said, "freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things."
As you wish. I'll never buy a used car with you, or place a bet based on your advice...
You can believe that. I said I trusted TL, EG and Root, not the world at large. They are not used car sales men. You keep trying to make this about more than it is. It is minor and has no negative impact on my life. If it did, I might be a little less trusting. But that is not the case.
So again, you would say "well they didn't follow through on that thing important to those guys, but I'm sure they will follow through on what is important to me" because you have faith they won't?
Nope. I think they will follow through later and I don't give a shit of they never do. I am unhurt by the lack of the YouTube videos and I believe that all three teams wouldn't do something that would have a negative impact on me. I am not upset for the sake of being upset.
I think his point is that if they promised something, they should go through with it regardless. It builds trust between the community and the team which is really important considering how much of a niche market esports is(SCII pretty small imo).
I'm not digging through 46 pages of forum posts to see what's going on. All I'm going to say is I ordered 3 large pizzas to support these events, and haven't seen jack shit from EG or Root. I am pissed about this.
On August 31 2013 14:34 BrieFanFiction wrote: I'm not digging through 46 pages of forum posts to see what's going on. All I'm going to say is I ordered 3 large pizzas to support these events, and haven't seen jack shit from EG or Root. I am pissed about this.
On August 31 2013 14:34 BrieFanFiction wrote: I'm not digging through 46 pages of forum posts to see what's going on. All I'm going to say is I ordered 3 large pizzas to support these events, and haven't seen jack shit from EG or Root. I am pissed about this.
You atleast had a healthy nutritious meal ! 3x over.
To be fair, the "discounted pizzas" aren't much of a discount, it's along the lines of their regular deals and promotions. They run $9.99 deals all the time, oftentimes related to sports events, and back during the pizzagg promotion you could order a large online for $9.99 every Monday to Wednesday as part of their midweek pricing.
Even now I have a Papa John's circular in the mail saying I can order a large 3-topping for $7.99 any time through September 15th. So people who keep insisting the pizzagg promo was some sort of fantastic deal are grossly exaggerating.
On August 31 2013 14:34 BrieFanFiction wrote: I'm not digging through 46 pages of forum posts to see what's going on. All I'm going to say is I ordered 3 large pizzas to support these events, and haven't seen jack shit from EG or Root. I am pissed about this.
hey at least you got 3 discounted pizzas.
Thank you EG for providing me with the opportunity to get 3 pizzas for half price! Papa Johns rarely does this and without your offer I would have starved! I guess am an ungrateful dirt-bag for wanting you to deliver what you promised in a timely fashion, just like Papa Johns never fails to............
What NA Event could they never hold a pizza event at? I'm honestly curious about that point. As in, what NA events are actually happening?
And I really hope they follow through with the Tiers. Most of the bigger organizations are better about that type of thing, but my thinking that getting 4 organization on the same page might have been a stretch, might prove to be true. Thus, this strikes me as one of the things they'll "eventually" get to.
On August 31 2013 15:11 Taf the Ghost wrote: Random question:
What NA Event could they never hold a pizza event at? I'm honestly curious about that point. As in, what NA events are actually happening?
And I really hope they follow through with the Tiers. Most of the bigger organizations are better about that type of thing, but my thinking that getting 4 organization on the same page might have been a stretch, might prove to be true. Thus, this strikes me as one of the things they'll "eventually" get to.
WCS Season 3 finals in Toronto MLG Columbus(Dota 2 event though) Red Bull Battlegrounds in NYC Blizzcon
How many of the tiers have had actual events? I remember seeing the pizza eating contest which was fun. But I don't recall much more than that. I'll be I missed it somewhere in earlier post, but am a bit lazy at the moment.
Some of the tiers also doesn't require outside involvement so I'm curious about those. It saddens me to see how many broken promises we've seen from eSports and I hope this won't become another one.
On August 31 2013 15:15 Eventine wrote: How many of the tiers have had actual events? I remember seeing the pizza eating contest which was fun. But I don't recall much more than that. I'll be I missed it somewhere in earlier post, but am a bit lazy at the moment.
Some of the tiers also doesn't require outside involvement so I'm curious about those. It saddens me to see how many broken promises we've seen from eSports and I hope this won't become another one.
The Pizza eating contest happened, the on stream AMA's apparently happened although I didn't see those. I imagine the small prizes they were going to give out were probably sent out, but they might not have been who knows. So tier 5 and 7 done, others pending.
On August 31 2013 15:15 Eventine wrote: How many of the tiers have had actual events? I remember seeing the pizza eating contest which was fun. But I don't recall much more than that. I'll be I missed it somewhere in earlier post, but am a bit lazy at the moment.
Some of the tiers also doesn't require outside involvement so I'm curious about those. It saddens me to see how many broken promises we've seen from eSports and I hope this won't become another one.
If only they showed the same type of motivation of following through on their promises that they showed to spamming the fuck out of the community with their affiliate links during the promotion. It was all hands on deck for that but, not for this. The only way this gets done is if people continue to push it to the forefront. At this point unless it becomes this huge negative thing they will continue to push it off and push it off until no one cares about it anymore. Hell I'm sure the majority of people that were aware of it back then probably assume it already took place and they just missed it.
Moral of the story, don't promise shit you can't deliver in a timely manner. This entire community knows how busy shit gets towards the second half of the year and persons making those promises surely knew it as well.
On August 31 2013 13:02 BronzeKnee wrote: And we aren't complaining because we got half off pizza. We are complaining because EG and TL aren't delivering on what they said they would.
Pretty sure one of the points of Plato's Republic is that the simplest definition of justice is doing what you say you will. If you can't at least do that, then one is unjust. And there is no logical rebuttal.
If you think there is, feel free to explain it to me, and the rest of the philosophical community...
Well if you say you're going to do something wrong, you may be open, but you still aren't just.
I really don't understand why people are getting so impatient.
I mean, look at the GosuGuide! You don't hear people complaining about that never getting updated! Or Day9 and Husky failing to do their Sex and the City skit!
I mean, lets's not be silly and hold the actual people and teams involved in the promotion responsible. Let's blame the real culprit! "Schedules!" But lets not get too specific. We won't say "Root, EG, TL, and their various players lacked foresight in failing to determine times to provide tier rewards." We'll keep it abstract and just say schedules didn't line up. That way nobody is to blame.
And don't worry. When you ask why the all the tiers haven't been fulfilled, and you're told it will happen soon, they're definitely not stringing you along until you just don't care anymore, and they can half ass it, or not do it all.
On September 01 2013 00:29 ymir233 wrote: Look on the bright side, at least we can use this as precedent to warn ourselves against the next promotional event. Clean and simple.
That is the negative outcome of this, yes. Next time someone wants to involve themselves in ESPORTS like this people wont be as thrilled. And for that reason alone TL and EG should really fucking man up and just get this over with.
at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
And it not like im fiending to see this show match so bad although i would definitely have watched it, it's the fact that they say get behind us show as the love get every mother fucker you know buying some papa jhons, so we get all excited get our tiers done we sit we wait we think it's coming EG not give a fuck about us no way cats said it was legit so did incontrol it's coming
6 months goes past and we forget wcs goes on and when a little down time swings in people start to remember and it makes you feel like you got scammed, so now they are probably rushing to put together some half baked shit fest as usual, but the fact is these guys are just not professional enough, it's a big fuck you to everyone who participated in the promotion, so i am definitely going to give them a big fuck you back by never again buying Kingston ram and taking a red bull over monster in future.
I don't know if people are all sarcastic here or all actually pissed....but I have complete faith in TL and EG to work this out. I'm going to keep waiting until this happens but I know it will happen for sure. Seriously just a little patience
Well, this thread sure escalated. Have some faith in the people involved. They promised to deliver and there was never really any talk of dates expect for the usual asap's andin the near future's. Don't bring out the pitchforks just yet!
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
And it not like im fiending to see this show match so bad although i would definitely have watched it, it's the fact that they say get behind us show as the love get every mother fucker you know buying some papa jhons, so we get all excited get our tiers done we sit we wait we think it's coming EG not give a fuck about us no way cats said it was legit so did incontrol it's coming
6 months goes past and we forget wcs goes on and when a little down time swings in people start to remember and it makes you feel like you got scammed, so now they are probably rushing to put together some half baked shit fest as usual, but the fact is these guys are just not professional enough, it's a big fuck you to everyone who participated in the promotion, so i am definitely going to give them a big fuck you back by never again buying Kingston ram and taking a red bull over monster in future.
First of all, learn to spell, proof-read yourself for typo's, stop using "fuck" in every sentence you write. It makes you come across as an idiot... But maybe that's what you are.
If you think buying Monster or Kingston RAMs helps EG, you're wrong. You clearly don't understand how advertising works. I could go on about your post, showing how everything that you say is dumb, but there is nothing in it for me to win, is there? The only thing I can advise you is to stay in school (or go back to school).
yeah i totally dont understand how advertising works, the point of advertising isn't to get me to BUY products no your totally right dude, please enlighten me what is the point of Kingston and monster giving EG money for advertising if not to get people like me to buy their shit???is EG plissing off customers and giving them a reason to not buy products associated with them not a bad thing??im sorry im so uneducated could you explain these 2 points to me?
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
And it not like im fiending to see this show match so bad although i would definitely have watched it, it's the fact that they say get behind us show as the love get every mother fucker you know buying some papa jhons, so we get all excited get our tiers done we sit we wait we think it's coming EG not give a fuck about us no way cats said it was legit so did incontrol it's coming
6 months goes past and we forget wcs goes on and when a little down time swings in people start to remember and it makes you feel like you got scammed, so now they are probably rushing to put together some half baked shit fest as usual, but the fact is these guys are just not professional enough, it's a big fuck you to everyone who participated in the promotion, so i am definitely going to give them a big fuck you back by never again buying Kingston ram and taking a red bull over monster in future.
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
And it not like im fiending to see this show match so bad although i would definitely have watched it, it's the fact that they say get behind us show as the love get every mother fucker you know buying some papa jhons, so we get all excited get our tiers done we sit we wait we think it's coming EG not give a fuck about us no way cats said it was legit so did incontrol it's coming
6 months goes past and we forget wcs goes on and when a little down time swings in people start to remember and it makes you feel like you got scammed, so now they are probably rushing to put together some half baked shit fest as usual, but the fact is these guys are just not professional enough, it's a big fuck you to everyone who participated in the promotion, so i am definitely going to give them a big fuck you back by never again buying Kingston ram and taking a red bull over monster in future.
Why only hate on EG/Root, you do realize Liquid was a part of this whole pizza thing too right...?
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
Really, you're going to boycott actual players and leagues because some meaningless comedy content hasn't been delivered (in whole)?
This is the prime example of complaining for the sake of complaining. Yes, they haven't followed up on their commitments, but they weren't very meaningful or important commitments to begin with. Honestly, it's better for everyone if they spend their time or money producing content that actually matters.
Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
Really, you're going to boycott actual players and leagues because some meaningless comedy content hasn't been delivered (in whole)?
This is the prime example of complaining for the sake of complaining. Yes, they haven't followed up on their commitments, but they weren't very meaningful or important commitments to begin with. Honestly, it's better for everyone if they spend their time or money producing content that actually matters.
"Weren't very meaningful or important commitments to begin with," says who? To some people they were very meaningful and it was a major part of the campaign (infact THE campaign). A part of it is also being played, and the act of breaking trust. People don't like being lied to and played. And also it's not like the event sounds like it would be impossible to pull off, quite the contrary, which is all the more salt in the wound.
The top comment on the thread is Krepo from EG LoL team explaining why their tiers did not get started yet.
We never had the time to complete this during normal LCS hours. We are completely aware of this promise and we've forwarded it to management (who made said promise). It's just not that easy to get it done as EG production is USA based and we're in Europe. I agree it's a little annoying for you guys. All i can tell you is that we're most definitely aware of it. Have a nice day
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
I was hoping it would turn into something with esports. But its whatever, it was just another deal to get you to spend money. At least the pizza I got tasted good.
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
Really, you're going to boycott actual players and leagues because some meaningless comedy content hasn't been delivered (in whole)?
This is the prime example of complaining for the sake of complaining. Yes, they haven't followed up on their commitments, but they weren't very meaningful or important commitments to begin with. Honestly, it's better for everyone if they spend their time or money producing content that actually matters.
The entire point is that these teams made up these promises and whatnot without making sure they would be delivered in a timely manner. Teams prioritize where their resources are going at which time. It has been determined that delivering on these promises is not a high priority in the slightest. That was not what we were told going into this. We were deceived. Say its important or unimportant, but that's not what matters. What matters is that these organizations lost credibility and somewhat falsely advertised.
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
What an awful post. So nobody should expect to get the results stated when monetarily supporting a cause?
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
What an awful post. So nobody should expect to get the results stated when monetarily supporting a cause?
Yes. Maybe the truth is more aweful than my post, but expecting a secondary benefit from cross-marketing often leads to disappointments. You buy a pizza, you get a pizza. You go on a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show promising you awesome deals, you get a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show.
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
What an awful post. So nobody should expect to get the results stated when monetarily supporting a cause?
Yes. Maybe the truth is more aweful than my post, but expecting a secondary benefit from cross-marketing often leads to disappointments. You buy a pizza, you get a pizza. You go on a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show promising you awesome deals, you get a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show.
So when someone says "If we reach this goal, this will happen", you are saying that it is not reasonable to assume "this" will happen? You do realize that there are a lot of organizations that deliver on promises, right? That's the point. Its normal for promises to be delivered on. These promises were made without advanced allocation of resources and planning. They came up with ideas and figured they'd do them when they have free time. That's not how its usually done.
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
What an awful post. So nobody should expect to get the results stated when monetarily supporting a cause?
Yes. Maybe the truth is more aweful than my post, but expecting a secondary benefit from cross-marketing often leads to disappointments. You buy a pizza, you get a pizza. You go on a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show promising you awesome deals, you get a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show.
So if hundreds of people buy Razor products, and tell them the reason they bought it was because they support sc2 teams, that doesn't increase the likelyhood that this company will continue to fund sc2 teams? Investing in sc2 sponsors doesn't help esports?
I can't even just dismiss you as overly cynical because what you are saying isn't even logical.
The drama lhamas continue their search for things to pitchfork. Cheap pizza and the apology from EG krepo for being late is not enough for them. Their outrage over the lack of YouTubes and a pizza party during an NA event cannot be stopped. They will be outraged about something, and this is it for today.
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
What an awful post. So nobody should expect to get the results stated when monetarily supporting a cause?
Yes. Maybe the truth is more aweful than my post, but expecting a secondary benefit from cross-marketing often leads to disappointments. You buy a pizza, you get a pizza. You go on a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show promising you awesome deals, you get a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show.
So if hundreds of people buy Razor products, and tell them the reason they bought it was because they support sc2 teams, that doesn't increase the likelyhood that this company will continue to fund sc2 teams? Investing in sc2 sponsors doesn't help esports?
I can't even just dismiss you as overly cynical because what you are saying isn't even logical.
"Increasing the likelyhood" - maybe yes. Razor is not invested into SC2, like SC2 fans are. They are selling their products. As long as investing marketing budget into SC2 pays off for them more than investing it elsewhere, they will continue to do it. They will not get attached to an abstract idea like esports from it.
On September 01 2013 18:35 thunder54 wrote: Yeah I get that upset cause I would honestly have not bought any pizza if not for the tiers im not a hige papa jhons fan I think their pizza tastes like shit, but I wanted to support the teams in anyway I could, but they get the support then cant come through on their end with some simple shit, it's bullshit.
I am sorry you fell for a hoax, but maybe you have learned something: Buying pizza does not support esports, peace on earth or women's rights, no matter what anyone tells you. Buying a pizza supports the company selling the pizza and get's you a meal - That is it!
What an awful post. So nobody should expect to get the results stated when monetarily supporting a cause?
Yes. Maybe the truth is more aweful than my post, but expecting a secondary benefit from cross-marketing often leads to disappointments. You buy a pizza, you get a pizza. You go on a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show promising you awesome deals, you get a cheap coach trip combined with a sales show.
So when someone says "If we reach this goal, this will happen", you are saying that it is not reasonable to assume "this" will happen? You do realize that there are a lot of organizations that deliver on promises, right? That's the point. Its normal for promises to be delivered on. These promises were made without advanced allocation of resources and planning. They came up with ideas and figured they'd do them when they have free time. That's not how its usually done.
If it is just a secondary objective, it is not likely to happen in the expected way.
Edit 2: I better leave this now. I said what I think about it.
On September 02 2013 06:57 Plansix wrote: The drama lhamas continue their search for things to pitchfork. Cheap pizza and the apology from EG krepo for being late is not enough for them. Their outrage over the lack of YouTubes and a pizza party during an NA event cannot be stopped. They will be outraged about something, and this is it for today.
On September 02 2013 06:57 Plansix wrote: The drama lhamas continue their search for things to pitchfork. Cheap pizza and the apology from EG krepo for being late is not enough for them. Their outrage over the lack of YouTubes and a pizza party during an NA event cannot be stopped. They will be outraged about something, and this is it for today.
don't you ever get tired of defending everyone?
Not really. I find there is a disproportionate amount of outrage compared the wrong that was done in any given threat. Rarely does the anger seem relative to the harm done. Also, when the drama does get stirred up, the same posters jump into every thread to sow their negativity. So as much as I defend groups and people, there are equal or more people who just live to tear down whoever they can.
On September 02 2013 06:57 Plansix wrote: The drama lhamas continue their search for things to pitchfork. Cheap pizza and the apology from EG krepo for being late is not enough for them. Their outrage over the lack of YouTubes and a pizza party during an NA event cannot be stopped. They will be outraged about something, and this is it for today.
don't you ever get tired of defending everyone?
Not really. I find there is a disproportionate amount of outrage compared the wrong that was done in any given threat. Rarely does the anger seem relative to the harm done. Also, when the drama does get stirred up, the same posters jump into every thread to sow their negativity. So as much as I defend groups and people, there are equal or more people who just live to tear down whoever they can.
I think you should migrate to a website that actually does live to tear down whoever they can, TL is pretty tame. You can get the maximum effectiveness of your efforts somewhere like /vg/.
"Increasing the likelyhood" - maybe yes. Razor is not invested into SC2, like SC2 fans are. They are selling their products. As long as investing marketing budget into SC2 pays off for them more than investing it elsewhere, they will continue to do it. They will not get attached to an abstract idea like esports from it.
Who the hell cares if they are attached to it? Should I care if the Razer CEO doesn't watch sc2 8 hours a day? Pro sc2 is nothing without sponsors. Supporting esports sponsors supports the scene because it gives them a reason to put money into the scene. And companies putting money into the scene is good right? What part of this don't you understand? I don't even know what you are trying to argue anymore.
I find it hard to believe that this is so eagerly anticipated that people can't seem to spare any patience for the parties involved.
Sure, they're taking their sweet ass time, but at least they say they're working on it, have a little patience and spare some trust in EG/TL/ROOT. Unless you really were anticipating this stuff so highly, in which case I guess continue?
Seriously though, relax, show some patience. Though I will admit that releasing one of the tiers sooner rather than later would buy them some degree of favor from the community on this issue.
On September 02 2013 07:20 Zambrah wrote: I find it hard to believe that this is so eagerly anticipated that people can't seem to spare any patience for the parties involved.
Sure, they're taking their sweet ass time, but at least they say they're working on it, have a little patience and spare some trust in EG/TL/ROOT. Unless you really were anticipating this stuff so highly, in which case I guess continue?
Seriously though, relax, show some patience. Though I will admit that releasing one of the tiers sooner rather than later would buy them some degree of favor from the community on this issue.
Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have seen the only people that have addressed the delay are players on the teams, that have little to nothing to do with the management that should be setting all of this stuff up.
Incontrol commented on it a few times, cheers to him for updating the plebs when no one else will bother. Then Krepo from EG's LoL team commented on it(they only have one thing to do, the music video) on Reddit today.
On September 02 2013 06:57 Plansix wrote: The drama lhamas continue their search for things to pitchfork. Cheap pizza and the apology from EG krepo for being late is not enough for them. Their outrage over the lack of YouTubes and a pizza party during an NA event cannot be stopped. They will be outraged about something, and this is it for today.
I don't care about the videos either. I do care about whether someone follows through on commitments they make.
On September 02 2013 06:22 Reiger wrote: I saw this on the front page of LoL reddit today. It was number 1 on that reddit with like more than a 1000 upvotes.
We never had the time to complete this during normal LCS hours. We are completely aware of this promise and we've forwarded it to management (who made said promise). It's just not that easy to get it done as EG production is USA based and we're in Europe. I agree it's a little annoying for you guys. All i can tell you is that we're most definitely aware of it. Have a nice day
I understand that they're busy, but it sure doesn't sound like fufilling these promises to their fans is a particular priority to EG.
On September 01 2013 00:34 thunder54 wrote: at this point the damage is done incontrol cats/ EG ROOT have zero credibility for me personally with shit like this in the future now, the new league they are doing or the ebay thing fuck off if you think im ever getting involved after they dont come through on their commitments.
Really, you're going to boycott actual players and leagues because some meaningless comedy content hasn't been delivered (in whole)?
This is the prime example of complaining for the sake of complaining. Yes, they haven't followed up on their commitments, but they weren't very meaningful or important commitments to begin with. Honestly, it's better for everyone if they spend their time or money producing content that actually matters.
What do you think is the main reason people bought from Papa Johns? To support Papa Johns? No. To eat poor quality pizza? No. (maybe some) The main reasons (most) of the people bought the pizzas was to support EG/TL/ROOT's promotion and because they were offering rewards for the number of pizzas bought. I am sure many people wouldn't have bought the pizzas if it wasn't for the promises they made. Did TL/EG/ROOT keep everyone up to date on the progress? No. They didn't keep the community up to date on the progress of the fulfill of these promises UNTIL someone posted in this thread asking why they didn't keep their promises. A drought of communication on the subject for a month or more as if they forgot.
So telling them that they are complaining for the sake of complaining is a ridiculous. They clearly have valid reasons for complaining and thus they are not "complaining for the sake of complaining".
On September 02 2013 06:57 Plansix wrote: The drama lhamas continue their search for things to pitchfork. Cheap pizza and the apology from EG krepo for being late is not enough for them. Their outrage over the lack of YouTubes and a pizza party during an NA event cannot be stopped. They will be outraged about something, and this is it for today.
Same thing. Calling them drama llamas when they have valid reasons.
You can't debase someone for complaining about something UNLESS they have ZERO valid reasons.
I didn't participate in the promotion and didn't plan on watching the content. However, that doesn't mean I am going to ignore the fact that you are trying to disregard these people after the dereliction of promises made by a promotion they paid to support.
On September 02 2013 07:20 Zambrah wrote: I find it hard to believe that this is so eagerly anticipated that people can't seem to spare any patience for the parties involved.
Sure, they're taking their sweet ass time, but at least they say they're working on it, have a little patience and spare some trust in EG/TL/ROOT. Unless you really were anticipating this stuff so highly, in which case I guess continue?
Seriously though, relax, show some patience. Though I will admit that releasing one of the tiers sooner rather than later would buy them some degree of favor from the community on this issue.
Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have seen the only people that have addressed the delay are players on the teams, that have little to nothing to do with the management that should be setting all of this stuff up.
Incontrol commented on it a few times, cheers to him for updating the plebs when no one else will bother. Then Krepo from EG's LoL team commented on it(they only have one thing to do, the music video) on Reddit today.
The occasional post from iNcontroL may not be much, but its better than nothing at least. Its definitely not a post from management, but at least its something. A little somethin' is better than nothin', and I have faith that iNcontroL will do what he can to try and move it forward. Not saying that he'll be able to do much, but at least its something.
Exactly what I thought, too-good-to-be-true money grab.
All you guys waiting for pizza parties and videos, i hope waiting a year to see a 5 minute video that probably won't even be that well-produced/funny/worth watching was worth eating shit pizzas.
On September 02 2013 10:25 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote: Exactly what I thought, too-good-to-be-true money grab.
All you guys waiting for pizza parties and videos, i hope waiting a year to see a 5 minute video that probably won't even be that well-produced/funny/worth watching was worth eating shit pizzas.
Well they did show the pizza eating contest, and while it was a bit underwhelming, I enjoyed it.
On September 03 2013 00:31 dacimvrl wrote: So.....pizzas are killing esports now? /s
You know, as ironic as it is. Kinda yes. Next time somebody wants to do something similar, they might not want to due to the unkept promises of earlier promotions like this. If I was the owner or ceo of a company and wanted to do a promotion within esports, I sure as hell wouldn't choose TL, EG or Root after this if I'm going to have zero faith they will follow up on their end..and if you can't trust the 3 biggest American esports organizations then who? I would probably end up finding somewhere else to do my promotion instead. Thats not good for us, and REALLY shitty of the parties involved. They are working against their own goals here.
On September 03 2013 00:31 dacimvrl wrote: So.....pizzas are killing esports now? /s
You know, as ironic as it is. Kinda yes. Next time somebody wants to do something similar, they might not want to due to the unkept promises of earlier promotions like this. If I was the owner or ceo of a company and wanted to do a promotion within esports, I sure as hell wouldn't choose TL, EG or Root after this if I'm going to have zero faith they will follow up on their end..and if you can't trust the 3 biggest American esports organizations then who? I would probably end up finding somewhere else to do my promotion instead. Thats not good for us, and REALLY shitty of the parties involved. They are working against their own goals here.
Root is not a top 3 american esports organization.
On September 03 2013 00:31 dacimvrl wrote: So.....pizzas are killing esports now? /s
You know, as ironic as it is. Kinda yes. Next time somebody wants to do something similar, they might not want to due to the unkept promises of earlier promotions like this. If I was the owner or ceo of a company and wanted to do a promotion within esports, I sure as hell wouldn't choose TL, EG or Root after this if I'm going to have zero faith they will follow up on their end..and if you can't trust the 3 biggest American esports organizations then who? I would probably end up finding somewhere else to do my promotion instead. Thats not good for us, and REALLY shitty of the parties involved. They are working against their own goals here.
first off Liquid is not an American esports organization Nazgul is European who founded it therefore its a European esports organization. Second of all like Incontrol said way back these 3 teams well more like Liquid of all of them Has been extremely busy latly they want to do the switching teams of incontrol and TLO but the problem is that TLO is going to all these events and devoting all his time to preparing for WCS so he has no time to spare a week to do something for fun right now so calm down they are working on it.
On September 03 2013 00:31 dacimvrl wrote: So.....pizzas are killing esports now? /s
You know, as ironic as it is. Kinda yes. Next time somebody wants to do something similar, they might not want to due to the unkept promises of earlier promotions like this. If I was the owner or ceo of a company and wanted to do a promotion within esports, I sure as hell wouldn't choose TL, EG or Root after this if I'm going to have zero faith they will follow up on their end..and if you can't trust the 3 biggest American esports organizations then who? I would probably end up finding somewhere else to do my promotion instead. Thats not good for us, and REALLY shitty of the parties involved. They are working against their own goals here.
first off Liquid is not an American esports organization Nazgul is European who founded it therefore its a European esports organization. Second of all like Incontrol said way back these 3 teams well more like Liquid of all of them Has been extremely busy latly they want to do the switching teams of incontrol and TLO but the problem is that TLO is going to all these events and devoting all his time to preparing for WCS so he has no time to spare a week to do something for fun right now so calm down they are working on it.
Honestly though should have thought of that before they went ahead with this promotion. Maybe putting it aside for a while until the stretch goals where actually achievable. AT THE VERY LEAST come out with some kind of official statement. I think the biggest reason people are pissed most of all is because both (3) teams are very quiet about this, only Incontrol (his last statement was 2 months ago) has bothered to say anything up to today. And still we've heard zero from anyone who actually has any control over this. The whole thing is handled very poorly, much more of a problem than the delay itself.
Like I said. If I was McDonalds right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do somekind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not". Thats the opposite of what you, me, and especially the teams involved wants.
Also, yes. My wording of the top 3 teams was poor. And since people are very fond of correcting even though its not actually important to the statement itself: "2 of the top esports organizations in the world + root"..happy now?
On September 03 2013 03:14 Excludos wrote: Like I said. If I was McDonalds right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do somekind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not".
I won't lose any sleep over that.
Having that PJ pizza selling counter on the top banner is probably the worst thing ever I've seen appear on tl.net.
It was humiliating for me as a user, and I can only hope that having to act like pizza salesmen and plug PJ for a week was humiliating enough for TL to not consider a similar promotion ever again and to establish some sort of standards regarding the kind of companies they're willing to take money from.
On September 03 2013 03:14 Excludos wrote: Like I said. If I was McDonalds right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do somekind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not".
I won't lose any sleep over that.
Having that PJ pizza selling counter on the top banner is probably the worst thing ever I've seen appear on tl.net.
It was humiliating for me as a user, and I can only hope that having to act like pizza salesmen and plug PJ for a week was humiliating enough for TL to not consider a similar promotion ever again and to establish some sort of standards regarding the kind of companies they're willing to take money from.
Then again, probably not.
You must lead a charmed life if you consider an innocuous icon at the top of a gaming website "humiliating".
On September 03 2013 03:14 Excludos wrote: Like I said. If I was McDonalds right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do somekind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not".
I won't lose any sleep over that.
Having that PJ pizza selling counter on the top banner is probably the worst thing ever I've seen appear on tl.net.
It was humiliating for me as a user, and I can only hope that having to act like pizza salesmen and plug PJ for a week was humiliating enough for TL to not consider a similar promotion ever again and to establish some sort of standards regarding the kind of companies they're willing to take money from.
Then again, probably not.
I'm sorry. Let me rephrase that for your lifestyle: "Like I said. If I was Gordon Ramsay right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do some kind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not"."
On September 03 2013 03:14 Excludos wrote: Like I said. If I was McDonalds right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do somekind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not".
I won't lose any sleep over that.
Having that PJ pizza selling counter on the top banner is probably the worst thing ever I've seen appear on tl.net.
It was humiliating for me as a user, and I can only hope that having to act like pizza salesmen and plug PJ for a week was humiliating enough for TL to not consider a similar promotion ever again and to establish some sort of standards regarding the kind of companies they're willing to take money from.
Then again, probably not.
It is not different than any live sports events or televised... I don't think any sports fans would call advertisements and sponsorship humiliating. Maybe you think eSports can live off hopes and dreams and no money?
On September 03 2013 03:14 Excludos wrote: Like I said. If I was McDonalds right now thinking: "Maybe I want to do somekind of promotion within esports", and then come across this thread. I'd probably go "hmm..maybe not".
I won't lose any sleep over that.
Having that PJ pizza selling counter on the top banner is probably the worst thing ever I've seen appear on tl.net.
It was humiliating for me as a user, and I can only hope that having to act like pizza salesmen and plug PJ for a week was humiliating enough for TL to not consider a similar promotion ever again and to establish some sort of standards regarding the kind of companies they're willing to take money from.
Then again, probably not.
It is not different than any live sports events or televised... I don't think any sports fans would call advertisements and sponsorship humiliating. Maybe you think eSports can live off hopes and dreams and no money?
Well some people have a really low bar for what annoys them and think that sites like this should never make any effort to grow or make more money. Its just the way it is, you can't please everyone, so don't bother.
Teams and pros your doing it wrong. You can be too busy for a tournament but never too busy for a promise made to fans. At this point most of these guys dont even deserve to have a fan club cuz their obviously too busy for fans.
On September 03 2013 04:18 Like a Boss wrote: Teams and pros your doing it wrong. You can be too busy for a tournament but never too busy for a promise made to fans. At this point most of these guys dont even deserve to have a fan club cuz their obviously too busy for fans.
Do you even know what tiers are left? Do you even know what you are complaining about? Or are you just complaining to complain?
This is the question I ask every time I come to this thread.
On September 03 2013 04:18 Like a Boss wrote: Teams and pros your doing it wrong. You can be too busy for a tournament but never too busy for a promise made to fans. At this point most of these guys dont even deserve to have a fan club cuz their obviously too busy for fans.
Do you even know what tiers are left? Do you even know what you are complaining about? Or are you just complaining to complain?
This is the question I ask every time I come to this thread.
There's no easy way to figure out what tiers have been done and which have yet to be fulfilled (unless I'm mistaken). I have no clue about T1-4, I don't think 5,6,8-10 have been fulfilled, and I watched 7. But it's possible that some of them happened and I just missed it.
If you actually care, just don't supporting anything TL, EG, and ROOT do whenever they ask for something. If you don't care about this little pizza event, continue supporting the teams like before.
On September 03 2013 04:58 anrimayu wrote: If you actually care, just don't supporting anything TL, EG, and ROOT do whenever they ask for something. If you don't care about this little pizza event, continue supporting the teams like before.
I think the hope was to remind the teams that they made a promise to the community and that the community is still waiting on them to acknowledge that promise and to make progress towards completion. There was no timeline but the silencing is worrying.
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