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announced (via Miya informing Ethan Ahn) via twitter, and confirmed in a reddit post by Axiom officials, Jun "
Miya" Jong Bum is retiring from competitive starcraft 2+ Show Spoiler [confirmations] +
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9152 Posts
announced (via Miya informing Ethan Ahn) via twitter, and confirmed in a reddit post by Axiom officials, Jun " Miya" Jong Bum is retiring from competitive starcraft 2+ Show Spoiler [confirmations] +
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scCassius
United States254 Posts
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ratbert
Germany1041 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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KadaverBB
Germany25656 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
But I liked miya :<...I wish him the best of luck | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
Good luck in future endeavors, Miya!! | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:38 LighT. wrote: I wonder if the Code A thing has anything to do with it.. But I liked miya :<...I wish him the best of luck Failing to qualify had a ton to do with it. The manner in which he failed to do so had none, I am sure. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9152 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:44 Dodgin wrote: Ethan Ahn also tweeted that Crank told him about Miya's retirement, just so It's clear, since TB was complaining about him " leaking " the news early. If Crank told him to not publicize it and he still did then that's something to complain about, otherwise not really. when you are told information as a reporter that was not conditioned as being "off the record" before being told, it is "on the record" and free to use in reporting. Journalism is built around a set of standards of reporting and sourcing. While these standards are, of course, separate from personal definitions of trust and relationships and how they influence action (for a write-up that discusses this extremely valid perspective in more detail, see Nazgul's blog), they nevertheless dictate what a journalist can and cannot print, so long as they are ethical from a trade standpoint. Anything you say to a reporter, in any medium, is on the record unless you say otherwise. Anything on the record is subject to replication by a reporter in their news pieces, with full attribution regardless of sensibilities and options. Forum posts, tweets, phone calls, email messages, overheard conversations, direct conversations, Skype conversations, text messages, and even 'private messages' are all, without qualification, on the record. If you wish to speak to a reporter anonymously and on a basis by which what you say cannot be published, you must condition what you say on the reporter's acceptance that what you wish to say is off the record. Off the record sources, by convention, cannot be attributed or published. They are used by reporters as a launching point in a larger attempt to find on the record sources for their reporting. of course, if the information was "off the record," and used anyways, that's a different story entirely. | ||
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canikizu
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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DisillusionedAcronym
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Elwar
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Mudkipnick
Korea (South)241 Posts
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clayn
Germany444 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
Don't know if there's any merit in being 'first' here =/ All the best to Miya in whatever he pursues next regardless | ||
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BAAEEMM
Germany412 Posts
Still sad tho. Best luck to him in the future. | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On May 18 2013 15:05 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Too bad, he was so great in practice, but it just didn't ever pan out on stage can only imagine how frustrating that must be pooor miya good luck in the future | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
Oh well, good luck to your future endeavors, Miya. | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
Hopefully Axiom can find another zerg that fits into the team well. | ||
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DisillusionedAcronym
190 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:52 Elwar wrote: Not really disappointed. Was a player I'd barely heard of before the Axiom formation, and is the weakest personality/name in the entire AxAcer lineup. result-wise, yes but his teammates seemed to have universally thought highly of him and seemed to have felt that he was an integral part of their play (as their practice partner and someone breaking down strategies). | ||
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Kommatiazo
United States579 Posts
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Mariosatr
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Uranyl
Germany38 Posts
He had no big achievements and the last opportunity was denied by an MLG admin and maybe by the sportsmanship of some players.. Good luck in the future Miya! | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33188 Posts
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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Ecstatic
United States160 Posts
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ZeeSC2
United States134 Posts
hopefully he will find something else he loves to do | ||
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[OGN]Remmy
United States1206 Posts
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zmsFlood
Finland169 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:00 AyaaLa wrote: I think this is an correct decision. Just another mediocre korean player. Do you have any tact? Was the second part really necessary? Really some people... Miya showed some great games during his career and as a zerg I enjoyed his style, I wish him all the best in his future endeavors. Let's see if Axiom will pick up more players soon. | ||
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CloudMage
Canada221 Posts
everyone stop retiring!!! | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
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ELlminator1
Australia344 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:00 AyaaLa wrote: I think this is an correct decision. Just another mediocre korean player. Not every player can play successfully on a stage, Miya was one of those player. He was always praised by his team as an excellent practice partner and I would take their word for it instead of a random forum poster trying to shit on a player. | ||
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Giant Robot
38 Posts
oh also! glhf Miya! and gogo scarlett! edited. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:00 AyaaLa wrote: I think this is an correct decision. Just another mediocre korean player. Honestly, even if he's a "mediocre korean player" he's still easily in top 100 players. Possibly top 50. Which is pretty amazing and certainly "team-worthy". So, instead of being really stupid and a douche bag, why not try and hope the best for everyone? | ||
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:00 AyaaLa wrote: I think this is an correct decision. Just another mediocre korean player. Do you fucking realize that every fucking player has bean mediocre (to your eyes) some day ? edit : removed bad word ^^ | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:39 E.L.V.I.S wrote: Do you fucking realize that every fucking player has bean mediocre (to your eyes) some day ? ASSHOLE I don't think a true statement deserves such a response, Miya has never won a game in GSTL/GSL despite having many chances. | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:41 Dodgin wrote: I don't think a true statement deserves such a response, Miya has never won a game in GSTL/GSL despite having many chances. To everyone; It's not my intention to bash on Miya. I liked him while he was playing for Slayers. But like it got pointed out he never got a victory in GS(T)L and I got insanely disapointed with his performance. But still, wish the best for Miya. | ||
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TrollPolice
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Doublemint
Austria8433 Posts
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Fluffboll
Sweden516 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:51 AyaaLa wrote: To everyone; It's not my intention to bash on Miya. I liked him while he was playing for Slayers. But like it got pointed out he never got a victory in GS(T)L and I got insanely disapointed with his performance. But still, wish the best for Miya. Yeah sure... On May 18 2013 17:00 AyaaLa wrote: I think this is an correct decision. Just another mediocre korean player. How is this not bashing on Miya? A retirement announcement is not the place to critique a player, it's a place to say goodbye/wish him (or her) luck. | ||
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Wiciu87
Poland14 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Uridium
United States86 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:36 Blargh wrote: Honestly, even if he's a "mediocre korean player" he's still easily in top 100 players. Possibly top 50. Which is pretty amazing and certainly "team-worthy". So, instead of being really stupid and a douche bag, why not try and hope the best for everyone? ok honestly i don't think miya is top 50 when you consider how many players are in the GSL and how many better players have not qualified. players like herO and jaehoon can't qualify for GSL and imo they are clearly better than miya. it's likely that quite a few foreigners are at least as good as miya as well (well, from his broadcasted games at least). the days are over when we had virus and co in code S, miya imo is not top 50/100 | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
He seemed like a really nice and funny guy. Too bad he wasn't able to really perform well in tournaments. I wish him the best of luck! | ||
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ETisME
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best of luck miya | ||
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Longtimer
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On May 18 2013 18:31 opterown wrote: ok honestly i don't think miya is top 50 when you consider how many players are in the GSL and how many better players have not qualified. players like herO and jaehoon can't qualify for GSL and imo they are clearly better than miya. it's likely that quite a few foreigners are at least as good as miya as well (well, from his broadcasted games at least). the days are over when we had virus and co in code S, miya imo is not top 50/100 Scarlett says that Miya is doing "much better" than she's doing in practice (I assume this is ladder and in-house practice games). Unfortunately, not everyone can have the winners mentality necessary, and I think it's a good thing to know when to stop. Stubbornness is seen as a good quality by many, but sometimes you have to go one step back to move two steps forward again. | ||
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smogg
Bulgaria167 Posts
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36951 Posts
MIYAAAAAAAA!!!! T-T... | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:41 smogg wrote: It was about time. He won't be missed. Thanks for displaying your great intellect. I'm sure everyone appreciates it. | ||
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Penev
28452 Posts
Now please stop with all the (Zerg) retirements! + Show Spoiler + AxCoCa incoming please? | ||
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bongling
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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NervO
Netherlands511 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 18 2013 19:09 ZenithM wrote: I hope it won't be a trend among Axiom-Acer, I like this team Well... Miya has never really had any results to speak of, and his recent record isn't particularly good. Not to mention the whole WCS Challenger Qualifier incident... I liked him, I feel sad about his retirement, but I don't think this is remotely representative of the situations of the other Axiom players. And that at least is a good thing. :/ | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:41 smogg wrote: It was about time. He won't be missed. User was temp banned for this post. Neither will you, god people can be assholes... -.- | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: Ax-acer really gonna need to find another zerg with scarlett taking a break after gstl/wcs ends *cough* Coca *cough* he's still teamless right? also ex-slayers, if it would fit in with the others... it totally fits in the grand picture afaik, i didnt really pay attention to who blamed who in the slayers-disband, so maybe he doesnt fit in | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 18 2013 19:49 Koerage wrote: *cough* Coca *cough* he's still teamless right? also ex-slayers, if it would fit in with the others... it totally fits in the grand picture afaik, i didnt really pay attention to who blamed who in the slayers-disband, so maybe he doesnt fit in iirc puzzle and coca still had jessica's favour after slayers' disbandment while the rest of axiom and mma didn't, so it may be unlikely (especially considering TB-jessica relations) | ||
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Shawters
France26 Posts
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
This leaves AA's line up at the bare bones, with Myia now gone and MMA currently in Europe AA have only just enough players to compete in a BO9 format. Also for people saying Coca as a possible new Axiom pick-up, while it would be a great choice and a much needed zerg I can't see it happening. Even though he's been gone for a while he still seems like the kind of player who could command a price Axiom couldn't afford. | ||
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llIH
Norway2142 Posts
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:50 Lysanias wrote: I feel we never really have seen the best of Miya to bad we won't now either. I just hope he's not going to be silly and join the LoL route, nothing with the game but becoming a LoL pro is something insanely difficult. And SC2 pro is ez? lol | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 18 2013 20:01 Zarahtra wrote: Shame, makes the MLG situation even worse. No idea the motives, but if my team would root against me in a situation like that, I'd atleast be quite down about it. They weren't rooting against him. Talk about seeing things in black and white... | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Constructing or becoming part of a reliable team of 5 individuals is pretty difficult, especially when games are won or lost at their expense. LoL is not necessarily harder than SC2 to enter the proscene, its just harder than the impression one would get at the start. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:28 Giant Robot wrote: dimaga going to ax now? to fill out the zerg spot? or even idra? haha naaah oh also! glhf Miya! and gogo scarlett! edited. Dimaga will most certainly not join Axiom. Axiom is a korean foucesd GSTL playing team and Dimaga has a wife in the ukraine, that just would´nt fit. GGWP Miya, best of luck in your future endeavors. | ||
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On May 18 2013 21:17 [17]Purple wrote: Constructing or becoming part of a reliable team of 5 individuals is pretty difficult, especially when games are won or lost at their expense. LoL is not necessarily harder than SC2 to enter the proscene, its just harder than the impression one would get at the start. Yes and comparing a team game with a single player game is not really fair to either. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On May 18 2013 21:13 nihlon wrote: They weren't rooting against him. Talk about seeing things in black and white... Well they didn't take a stance with him, which imo was pretty pathetic. Black and white, well there were 2 options that were availeble for them, stance of letting him replay or not, there was no inbetween. Mumble in the backrooms about their annoyance on MLG or the admin is pretty irrelevant to him. And this is coming from a huge Demu fan. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
Gl in the future Miya! | ||
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fr4nk1sh
Sweden59 Posts
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
On May 18 2013 21:55 Zarahtra wrote: Well they didn't take a stance with him, which imo was pretty pathetic. Black and white, well there were 2 options that were availeble for them, stance of letting him replay or not, there was no inbetween. Mumble in the backrooms about their annoyance on MLG or the admin is pretty irrelevant to him. And this is coming from a huge Demu fan. Holy shit, you're taking things WAAAY out of context. Genna DID protest against what happened in the qualifiers and took a stanse for Miya, but ultimately did not think it made sense to punish several other players (who had done nothing wrong) for a mistake MLG made, which is a perfectly reasonable stance. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
I don't know if there are any koreans available.Maybe Coca ? | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On May 18 2013 22:28 RaZorwire wrote: Holy shit, you're taking things WAAAY out of context. Genna DID protest against what happened in the qualifiers and took a stanse for Miya, but ultimately did not think it made sense to punish several other players (who had done nothing wrong) for a mistake MLG made, which is a perfectly reasonable stance. I'm obviously not saying she liked the way things went down, but she had an option to stand by her player's interests and not, and she didn't. It was not punishing any of those players, except for wasting their time, which is quite a light punishment compared to fucking up someone's tournament life. When you buy a lottery ticket with 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 1,2,3,4,5 are already drawn and the hostess draws up a 9 but calls a 6, it isn't punishing you when they fix their mistake(assuming the time passed is not long). But yer, this is my last post on this subject. Not really a fan of his, but I can't help but feel for him. | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On May 18 2013 21:55 Zarahtra wrote: Well they didn't take a stance with him, which imo was pretty pathetic. Black and white, well there were 2 options that were availeble for them, stance of letting him replay or not, there was no inbetween. Mumble in the backrooms about their annoyance on MLG or the admin is pretty irrelevant to him. And this is coming from a huge Demu fan. Agreed. Genna should have let the MLG admins take the fall and make the ultimate decision. I feel like her teams interest should have been first priority. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
. GL in the future Miya. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On May 18 2013 23:10 docvoc wrote: I'm confused about the MLG drama, but I knew a guy who Miya coached, he was a great dude . GL in the future Miya.I wouldn't get too invested, we have the hashings of a story from multiple accounts/perspectives and the vast number of gaps are been filled in with anonymous forum posters opinions. | ||
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bogderpirat
Jordan66 Posts
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nebula.
Sweden1431 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On May 18 2013 22:37 Zarahtra wrote: I'm obviously not saying she liked the way things went down, but she had an option to stand by her player's interests and not, and she didn't. It was not punishing any of those players, except for wasting their time, which is quite a light punishment compared to fucking up someone's tournament life. When you buy a lottery ticket with 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 1,2,3,4,5 are already drawn and the hostess draws up a 9 but calls a 6, it isn't punishing you when they fix their mistake(assuming the time passed is not long). But yer, this is my last post on this subject. Not really a fan of his, but I can't help but feel for him. Only an idiot would buy that lottery ticket. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
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Thomanson
United States215 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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LowEloPlayer
United States205 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 18 2013 22:37 Zarahtra wrote: I'm obviously not saying she liked the way things went down, but she had an option to stand by her player's interests and not, and she didn't. It was not punishing any of those players, except for wasting their time, which is quite a light punishment compared to fucking up someone's tournament life. When you buy a lottery ticket with 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 1,2,3,4,5 are already drawn and the hostess draws up a 9 but calls a 6, it isn't punishing you when they fix their mistake(assuming the time passed is not long). But yer, this is my last post on this subject. Not really a fan of his, but I can't help but feel for him. There's no evidence he wouldn't have retired in any case. People blaming Genna for his retirement is presumptuous at best. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On May 18 2013 22:47 mango_destroyer wrote: Agreed. Genna should have let the MLG admins take the fall and make the ultimate decision. I feel like her teams interest should have been first priority. Agreed. Slayers Jessica would have backed her player in the same situation. You can knock Jessica for a lot of things but player loyalty isn't one of them.....at least when you don't cross/betray her. :p | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Penev
28452 Posts
Haha, I don't think you understand the math behind lotteries. What you should have said is "only an idiot buys lottery tickets". | ||
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Soda-88
Croatia476 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
Very unfortunate. Does that mean Axiom will be picking up another player soon? | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
Well best of luck to Miya! I'm guessing it'll be Coca to take his spot on Ax | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
Will be interesting to see if Axiom will find a speedy replacement and if so, who they'll add to the team. | ||
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mrtrevinoo
United States10 Posts
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bobsire
Canada296 Posts
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Zenniv
United States545 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Eggi
478 Posts
I dont blame them. We can see that even if youre a top class world player its not enough to win against top class korean pros. With KeSpa entering the market HoTS is wayyyyyyyyyy different playing field than WoL. This will def not the last person to retire in the next coming months and I hope the best for them. SC2 doesnt pay well if youre not a kespa player tbh(by time investement i mean) LoL has a better set up than SC2 does. Playing (NA vs NA) (EU vs EU) and (KR vs KR )is the only real way you can create a world wide esport. Blizz failed. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On May 19 2013 03:25 SoOJuuu wrote: Well it seems retiring is going to be a good option for all players now(as we can see Stephano/IdrA) I dont blame them. We can see that even if youre a top class world player its not enough to win against top class korean pros. With KeSpa entering the market HoTS is wayyyyyyyyyy different playing field than WoL. This will def not the last person to retire in the next coming months and I hope the best for them. SC2 doesnt pay well if youre not a kespa player tbh(by time investement i mean) LoL has a better set up than SC2 does. Playing (NA vs NA) (EU vs EU) and (KR vs KR )is the only real way you can create a world wide esport. Blizz failed. Nationality is stupid anyway. It's unbelievable so many people even care about that. LoL is so successful with that system because of they have so many viewers, too. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On May 19 2013 05:30 Blargh wrote: Nationality is stupid anyway. It's unbelievable so many people even care about that. LoL is so successful with that system because of they have so many viewers, too. It's true that LoL is successful with the current system because it has a larger playerbase. However the large amount of viewers is also in part due to the system. If they had went for the Blizzard approach and all the crown favorite team was steam rolled and promptly knocked out the viewership would most likely plummet very quickly. If people only cared about quality of play everyone would watch the Korean and Chinese tournaments, but they don't because they don't know the people playing. If people had gone with a similar system I would guess they would have generated more viewers as well, because people like to tune in and cheer for people they know. Admittedly it is a bit different for SC2 because most people will know the bigger Korean players. And when one nationality has a huge advantage over the rest of the world nationality is not stupid, it is a very real factor you need to consider. If you want a more even playing field where players from all over the world can stand their ground against each other you need to either hold the domination nation back or give the others a boost. Riot went with the second and so far it seems to be working out to some degree. The NA and EU teams have probably not fallen farther behind of the asian teams than before. They're not on par by any means, but it's probably heading in the right direction. I'm not sure if the same can be said for SC2. Then again if you don't care about complete Korean dominance then I guess it's all fine. And good luck to Miya with whatever he decides to do. | ||
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xgtx
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
On May 19 2013 10:34 xgtx wrote: who? never heard of him Then go look him up, do some research before even posting that. | ||
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Angelavenger
United States59 Posts
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HeavyCross
Canada21 Posts
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J0k3r98
Germany6 Posts
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On May 19 2013 10:34 xgtx wrote: who? never heard of him Don't follow Korean scene? Then wonder why you haven't heard of a Korean player? Kinda hurtful to the player if they read this O_o but that was probably what you are looking for Best of luck miya | ||
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Koromon
United States304 Posts
This GSTL there's nobody I wanted to win more than Miya, except for maybe anyone on NSHS. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Now, I wonder though, who Axiom will pick up next or if they will. | ||
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Archen
United States79 Posts
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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Canada316 Posts
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