• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:52
CET 14:52
KST 22:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT3Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up0ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)44Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker14
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed TvZ is the most complete match up Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread What Game makes you happy and stress free? Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Best Refurbished Laptop Under 20K in India -EAZYPC Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2524 users

Code S Group of Death, PartinG vs Life, game speed - Page 12

Forum Index > SC2 General
594 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 30 Next All
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 18:26:24
May 17 2013 18:23 GMT
#221
Since some people have said that observers can change the game speed, I think that Legend changed the speed by accident while doing the zooming in stuff. Tough luck.

Take this with a grain of salt because I DO NOT KNOW anything for sure.
Hello
Algar
Profile Joined September 2010
United States27 Posts
May 17 2013 18:26 GMT
#222
On May 17 2013 23:54 kochanfe wrote:
Uh, no it actually wasn't. You honestly think the players and casters wouldn't have noticed immediately? Sorry, but you're wrong.


I like how OP preemptively provides direct evidence and yet people are so accustomed to fallaciously applying Argument from Authority that they boldly state he is incorrect. I bet life would be easier if my brain worked that way.
Thanks. I like to play.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
May 17 2013 18:27 GMT
#223
Nice OP! Sucks for Life I wonder how no one noticed until this.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
May 17 2013 18:27 GMT
#224
On May 18 2013 03:26 Algar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 23:54 kochanfe wrote:
Uh, no it actually wasn't. You honestly think the players and casters wouldn't have noticed immediately? Sorry, but you're wrong.


I like how OP preemptively provides direct evidence and yet people are so accustomed to fallaciously applying Argument from Authority that they boldly state he is incorrect. I bet life would be easier if my brain worked that way.

Naw... originally there was no evidence in the OP whatsoever. With that evidence it is obvious that he is correct, but with no evidence this is a perfectly valid initial response.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
May 17 2013 18:28 GMT
#225
as frustrating as it may be, they arent going to change the results or re-play the series. the best we could do is try to prevent this in the future.

now thinking about it, there is a probability this has happened in other sc2 matches as well
terrible, terrible, damage
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
May 17 2013 18:29 GMT
#226
and all those potentially blaming legend, he is def not the only referee/ observer in the games. heavendom does the observing for the korean stream and the intro timings play at the same time for both streams
terrible, terrible, damage
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
May 17 2013 18:31 GMT
#227
On May 18 2013 03:14 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 03:09 Mortal wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:06 ch33psh33p wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:05 Mortal wrote:
I'm still saying this isn't true. Players that pause when their monitor isn't exactly perfect and are so anal about every little detail don't notice the GAME SPEED? I mean get real. Maybe casters just play it off, spectators are lulled into a daze, but the pros wouldn't miss this.


I'm not sure how you can be in such denial when there's blinding evidence, video, image, and calculations in every page of this thread.


guess I'm just ignorant. maybe it did happen, but for both players to not say or do anything about it while playing such an important game seems literally impossible. they've played thousands and thousands of games. they know their shit better than basically anyone. they had to have noticed.

Rofl you're more than ignorant, you're stupid and prideful to a fault if you won't admit your original assessment was wrong.


He is only mortal.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3442 Posts
May 17 2013 18:32 GMT
#228
On May 18 2013 03:13 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 03:10 vndestiny wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:05 Mortal wrote:
I'm still saying this isn't true. Players that pause when their monitor isn't exactly perfect and are so anal about every little detail don't notice the GAME SPEED? I mean get real. Maybe casters just play it off, spectators are lulled into a daze, but the pros wouldn't miss this.


Then how would you explain the evidence ? So many ppl just go here and all they could say is "I dont believe it man. Someone must have notice it back then". Anyone of those ppl even look at the evidences ? It's kinda solid, and there's even a video proof on some of the first few pages. Like a child in denial stage.

how about you read what I wrote above before making silly jabs? I said maybe it did happen, but these two players had to have noticed. why they wouldn't have said anything is completely beyond me. I understand casters and spec's not noticing, but these two know the game better than anyone in the world (among a select few others obviously).


Sorry dude I wrote my reply b4 reading yours. And it wasnt really personal meant for you but there were too many replies which were exactly like that, which pissed me off a litle. Still, point is that there are almost undeniable evidences saying the game speed was fast, plus the fast that the players apparently did not notice or noticed but chose not to say anything. You should have express your opinion on that weird events, instead of a purely denial post ( or at least that's what your 1st reply sounded like )
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
May 17 2013 18:35 GMT
#229
On May 18 2013 03:32 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 03:13 Mortal wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:10 vndestiny wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:05 Mortal wrote:
I'm still saying this isn't true. Players that pause when their monitor isn't exactly perfect and are so anal about every little detail don't notice the GAME SPEED? I mean get real. Maybe casters just play it off, spectators are lulled into a daze, but the pros wouldn't miss this.


Then how would you explain the evidence ? So many ppl just go here and all they could say is "I dont believe it man. Someone must have notice it back then". Anyone of those ppl even look at the evidences ? It's kinda solid, and there's even a video proof on some of the first few pages. Like a child in denial stage.

how about you read what I wrote above before making silly jabs? I said maybe it did happen, but these two players had to have noticed. why they wouldn't have said anything is completely beyond me. I understand casters and spec's not noticing, but these two know the game better than anyone in the world (among a select few others obviously).


Sorry dude I wrote my reply b4 reading yours. And it wasnt really personal meant for you but there were too many replies which were exactly like that, which pissed me off a litle. Still, point is that there are almost undeniable evidences saying the game speed was fast, plus the fast that the players apparently did not notice or noticed but chose not to say anything. You should have express your opinion on that weird events, instead of a purely denial post ( or at least that's what your 1st reply sounded like )

no I agree, you're 100% right. My original post was based upon the OP at the time which had 0 evidence whatsoever. it has since been updated and I've looked at what's been presented. my only question now is how these players didn't see it. they know their timings so incredibly well that it's just odd they didn't pick up on it. very unfortunate as it is actually a pretty big problem in the scheme of things.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
May 17 2013 18:36 GMT
#230
A Social Psychologist can write a thesis on this.
I'm no expert, so I don't know what it is called exactly, but something similar to
Ringelmann_effect or
Social_loafing happened.

A few % of people, including those working for GOM, must have noticed something strange, but literally every single one of them thought, " Someone ELSE will point out / take care of it." Then actually NO ONE did anything about it. It's really interesting and scary. What if some crucial games during WoL were played @ fast speed and no one has noticed yet today? It's quite possible.
mumming
Profile Joined June 2010
Faroe Islands256 Posts
May 17 2013 18:37 GMT
#231
I remember thinking about it while watching it, but i was so tired that I didnt look more into it
Insurrectionist
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway141 Posts
May 17 2013 18:40 GMT
#232
Hah, I too noticed the lings seemed to be a bit slow for speedlings but too fast and had wings so they couldn't be without speed, just put it down to skewed perception at the time though and didn't think anything of it.
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
May 17 2013 18:40 GMT
#233
Wow, how did this go by unnoticed? :O
Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
B1itZZ
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom70 Posts
May 17 2013 18:41 GMT
#234
Wow I just assumed this was a mistake when I first read about it, but it seems that I was wrong! Cannot believe this happened in such a high caliber match and wasn't noticed.
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
May 17 2013 18:42 GMT
#235
I think most people, if they noticed it, probably wrote it off in their head as "ahh, I'm tired and had a cup of coffee too much probably, just my eyes fucking with me".

Great catch.

Sad for life though.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
May 17 2013 18:43 GMT
#236
This is huge! No wonder parting had such a miraculous hold in that game, when life should have been able to kill him easy. Those magical ff are more explainable now. Big diff in series as life would have won that on faster speed and is 21-0 in series when he wins the first game. Poor life got screwed by gom's mistake.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 18:47:29
May 17 2013 18:47 GMT
#237
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
May 17 2013 18:49 GMT
#238
Actually things did feel really strange during that game, but I thought it was just the extreme hype. I too was hyped to an insane level during the matches. It's weird, but definitely well within the realm of possibilities, as someone above me pointed out, if everyone thought "someone else will point it out if something is truly wrong", then stuff like this can happen.

Even with the evidence, it's so far out it's still hard to accept as fact. Also it's kinda of a big deal, hmm, really affects things a lot.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
May 17 2013 18:51 GMT
#239
--- Nuked ---
thorwashere
Profile Joined May 2011
8 Posts
May 17 2013 18:53 GMT
#240
On May 17 2013 23:54 kochanfe wrote:
Uh, no it actually wasn't. You honestly think the players and casters wouldn't have noticed immediately? Sorry, but you're wrong.


how stupid do you feel right now?
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 30 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Winter Champion…
12:00
Last Chance Qualifier
WardiTV787
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko305
Rex 118
BRAT_OK 100
Vindicta 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39686
Sea 4934
Horang2 2574
Shuttle 1872
GuemChi 1191
Mini 685
ggaemo 629
actioN 234
Mong 205
Pusan 95
[ Show more ]
sorry 91
ToSsGirL 61
sSak 43
Backho 42
Aegong 35
[sc1f]eonzerg 34
scan(afreeca) 31
Noble 19
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
soO 14
Sacsri 11
Terrorterran 10
Bale 8
NotJumperer 2
Dota 2
Gorgc4800
XcaliburYe145
febbydoto12
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2272
zeus1109
x6flipin662
edward48
Other Games
B2W.Neo639
hiko326
crisheroes325
Happy129
QueenE86
Hui .85
XaKoH 68
Trikslyr24
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL30132
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota260
League of Legends
• Nemesis8541
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
11h 8m
Replay Cast
19h 8m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
22h 8m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 19h
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
1d 20h
KCM Race Survival
1d 20h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 22h
OSC
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.