EPTI mean fuck, I live cast a TvZ at one of the big 3 foreign events being played on location that was hosted on an old map that was patched before the queen buff. This was about 5-6 months after the patch went live. Terran opened hellions too. If anyone aside from me and my cocaster noticed, they never said anything. Both players were and still are solid; top 3 foreigners race-wise, not talking about scrubs.
Code S Group of Death, PartinG vs Life, game speed - Page 14
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
I mean fuck, I live cast a TvZ at one of the big 3 foreign events being played on location that was hosted on an old map that was patched before the queen buff. This was about 5-6 months after the patch went live. Terran opened hellions too. If anyone aside from me and my cocaster noticed, they never said anything. Both players were and still are solid; top 3 foreigners race-wise, not talking about scrubs. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 18 2013 04:48 Blargh wrote: Such a nice find! Obviously not the biggest of deals, but something worth noting. I wonder if Gom knew/knows this by now. Surely the Korean community would have mentioned something, right? It didn't happen untill like a 1:05 in. Us viwers dont watch the probe line too often after the infrastructure starts to go down, and watching a single worker/unit doesn't make it noticeable. Plus it was a short game, no real 'fast' units were made, slow lings and sentries are all ready pretty slow. If this had been from the beginning of the game on then im sure they would have noticed it. But adrenaline mixed with protoss/zerg early game relieing on slow units.....and the fact that it was toggled to fast after the game started, probably made it difficult. edit: or its possibly one or even both of them noticed it, and decided to play it out anyway for shits, thinking it could help them in some way, or wouldn't matter at all and didn't need mentioning. so many possibilities, but in the end no fault really on anybody imo, accidents happen, GOM has been mostly impeccable in Code S, a slight mistake that might not even have affected the outcome of the group/series isn't too big of a blemish. People making this out like its the end of the world should realize that unless Parting/Life make it out to be absolutely huge, they should treat it as the same. Makes me laugh when the community makes some things such a huge deal when the players are generallyl like 'meh' and dont care. | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On May 18 2013 04:51 ohampatu wrote: It didn't happen untill like a 1:05 in. Us viwers dont watch the probe line too often after the infrastructure starts to go down, and watching a single worker/unit doesn't make it noticeable. Plus it was a short game, no real 'fast' units were made, slow lings and sentries are all ready pretty slow. Life opened 10pool with gas and went mass speedlings. The fastest unit in the game. | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On May 18 2013 04:55 Keeemy wrote: Life opened 10pool with gas and went mass speedlings. The fastest unit in the game. *Both fastest AND second fastest depending on creep! | ||
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Wolfler
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 18 2013 04:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: Biggest GSL scandal since ByuN vs NesTea on metropolis!!! D:!!! Sucks that it happened but I guess there's nothing that can be done about it at this point. Hopefully it won't happen again. ahh my bad, ive only gone off of what was said in this thread i thought it was a slow ling all-in, I stand corrected still, every other point stands, w hich would account for possibly not noticeing, although that does lower the chances slightly more | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
This should be top new, its the biggest F'up in GSL history without a doubt.... as it accounts for Life being out. Given that Life is the IT player right now and that this was THE deciding match in the group of death. Crazy. OP is Deepthroat. | ||
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hXc_
179 Posts
Imagine if this happened in KeSPA league, or just happened to a KeSPA player, shit would hit the fan hard | ||
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Ksi
357 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:01 Wolfler wrote: People saying its not a big deal aren't thinking straight... Life tried an all-in and every detail could have changed the outcome of it... Every ling or probe, even a split second ealier forcefield changes everything later on. Its too late to change anything, but its very sad for Life. Maybe Parting would hold it anyway, maybe not, we don't know and that's the problem. Life has 22-0 after winning 1st set... Imagine if he won that game? He could be in ro4 right now against sOs. Very sad for Life fans. For me, it's a pretty big deal and something must be done about this, obviously they cant play again, but something has to be done. 1. If the players dont make it to be a big deal, no matter what we as a community think, then its not a big deal. 2. You all keep bringinup up that 22-0 about him winning his first game like thats some kind of good defence. It doesn't matter his particular stats. It only affected one game in the series if it even did that, he still had a chance to win the series without any further mishaps. Just because he is more inconsistent if he loses the first map doesn't mean anything. Thats him, we hsould be looking at this mishap as if it was Player X vs Player Z, not Life vs Parting. The mishap is even larger since its so late in Code S, which compounds it more, but you cant use the players themselves or the stats themselves to make this mishap seem bigger than it was. 3. We aren't saying its not a big deal, were saying its not the end of the world. I like Life better than Parting, but that doesn't stop me from looking at it objectively without bias towards either one. You can't blame this one mishap on him not making it out of the group of death, there were other games he could have won, and its not even 100 percent for sure that this cost him the game. For all we know he noticed the speed was off because he was the only person using a fast unit, and decided that he wasn't going to say anything thinking it would somehow help him. We dont know, we just simply dont know enough to say that. edit: It was a very big deal, im sad it happened, but no need for a complete shitstorm about it. Just now GOM needs to be sure they watch this even more. Im still confused as to how nobody noticed when the game cleary gives an alert, and so many observers watching mean somebody had to have seen that alert. | ||
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pmp10
3239 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:08 hXc_ wrote: I wonder if Life could go full lawyer on this, I mean, the rules of the tournament state that all game are to be played on faster speed (or am I wrong? I can't find tournament rules for GSL, but that's how it was on couple of other tournaments I read rules for). Imagine if this happened in KeSPA league, or just happened to a KeSPA player, shit would hit the fan hard He could (especially if he is not recompensed) but that would end his career. There are reasons why no player has decided to fight a legal battle with tournament organizer in SC2. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:08 hXc_ wrote: I wonder if Life could go full lawyer on this, I mean, the rules of the tournament state that all game are to be played on faster speed (or am I wrong? I can't find tournament rules for GSL, but that's how it was on couple of other tournaments I read rules for). Imagine if this happened in KeSPA league, or just happened to a KeSPA player, shit would hit the fan hard In my opinion, when nothing was done the last time there was a game/map mistake in ByuN vs Nestea, there is nothing that is going to be done about this. They will probably just be more cautious in the future. | ||
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hXc_
179 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:10 pmp10 wrote: He could (especially if he is not recompensed) but that would end his career. There are reasons why no player has decided to fight a legal battle with tournament organizer in SC2. Player yes, I agree. But team? Organisation (like KeSPA)? They have much more, welll not power, but... image? I don't know how to call it. Presence? | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:08 hXc_ wrote: I wonder if Life could go full lawyer on this, I mean, the rules of the tournament state that all game are to be played on faster speed (or am I wrong? I can't find tournament rules for GSL, but that's how it was on couple of other tournaments I read rules for). Imagine if this happened in KeSPA league, or just happened to a KeSPA player, shit would hit the fan hard He probably could but never ever would, it's not big enough a deal Maybe if it was World finals g7 | ||
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pmp10
3239 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:12 hXc_ wrote: Player yes, I agree. But team? Organisation (like KeSPA)? They have much more, welll not power, but... image? I don't know how to call it. Presence? KeSPA maybe. But after the head-bashing Blizzard did in Korea even that is doubtful. Sadly for Life he happens to play for an eSF team and his only option is to take whatever apology he is offered. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
And second, Life went 1-2 in that group. 1 game in a single series did not affect the entire group. Im sorry that our favorite player didn't make it, but we need to be slightly more realistic. Life should have played better in that group if he wanted to win. I just can't believe how overwhelming the life fans are trying to somehow reverse this or get a regame or even how they think this mistake was what costed life the entire group. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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