well I agree with the ceo, cant have players like that, ive watched his streams a few times and each time hes upset about nothing, offends other players for no reason, way too many zergs better than idra with a great attitude. other players wish they had such a clan to play for and get paid from.
On May 10 2013 09:58 Jinsho wrote: Removing the smartest & brightest person on their roster to pander to the self-important pricks who call themselves their fans is absolutely disgusting. It is clear they were thinking about getting rid of him since earlier & this is just a pretense, and the fact that it all happens in such a transparent disguise is revolting.
If you think what Idra did was actually acceptable behavior then i don't even know. Without fans there is no EG.
lol is this a post
what did he do that wasnt just idra being idra
ive already read the post he supposedly got removed for, but im not seeing anything special about it. it's obvious they've been planning to get rid of him or they just havent revealed the real reason (or might never)
That's the real reason, he's over stepped his boundaries one too many times
i dont really get it then. what does eg even have without idra
he was always their poster boy in sc2. none of their players can win anything anymore. not that idra has (for awhile anyway), but he was definitely one of the faces of eg other than incontrol.
you saw the comment he was responding to. none of the other players on his team put up with that kind of shit. if he tells that person to fuck off, then who cares. guy had it coming. all of "esports" is just filled with a bunch of pussified bitches apparently.
this whole situation is ridiculous
why is e-sports immune to the same social faux pas that real sports is? why the quote brackets when the response from a real sports organization to a serially underperforming player who just happens to get on twitter after a bad day of practice and say his chosen career is only watched by retards would likely be the exact same?
because "esports" isnt even a thing its a thing that people WANT to become a thing but it will never be as popular or far-reaching as real sports, and thats just the truth
people who watch "esports" are already a niche audience that can probably handle a few mean words without running to mommy and daddy. why do people care about some fucking words on the internet? why is everyone trying to look super professional? so someday people can be like "oh esports? i dont watch that its too mainstream."
it blows my mind that people can take serious offense to stuff like a player blowing off steam. im sure you and everyone else in this thread has been in twitch chats with all the idiots. and when i say all the idiots, i mean like 99% of the people in the twitch chats. the non-idiots are pretty much the ones you dont even know are there (i.e, the ones not talking). its gonna be rough dealing with shitty people when youre trying to entertain them, even if part of that entertainment is you being an asshole.
but then, i shouldnt be surprised. team liquid in particular has become shithole of memes and witch hunts since i started lurking so long ago.
I hope you know that it is gullible fans like you who love the "dark and edgy" persona that idra gloats about exploiting. I'm not sure what your point is, any community would be shitty if everyone was an asshole every time they got even a little upset. Whether or not the community is small or large is irrelevant, sports/e-sports or people in general mostly dislike assholes. You can't act surprised that some people are happy idra got fired.
Getting mad is no excuse for someone to be a complete and total dickhole. Perhaps if he had a legit mental disorder people would be more forgiving, but he simply comes off as a whiny brat.
nice baseless personal attack bro. unfortunately it didnt really add anything to your post to make it believable
and just to expand a bit, yes idra is whiny, but so are plenty of other players. idra just vocalizes it more. its part of the character that a lot of people like and its honestly why eg is even a popular team at this point. without idra they [probably] would be nothing right now in sc2
people should be free to express themselves in whatever way but always be ready for the consequences and take it. you seem to advocate such behavior just for the sake of rebelling against this "social standards"
if idra made a positive impact to those who love whiny bm, and they love to whine and bm themselves, i hope they disapear with idra.
On May 10 2013 10:24 Heinsenzerg wrote: why the fuck would eg let incontrol go on to state of the game blind, they totally screwed him
Because they're a terrible organization with lots of money. They've had their heads up their asses from day 1, buying players when they win tournaments then failing to foster or cultivate their talent. They've never picked up new players or had any intuition in regards to the scene, so it goes to show they'll continue to make big mistakes--both in and outside of their team.
Remember how Alex Garfield treated Milkis when they talked about player robbing (PuMa)? Then he goes on to speak in interviews all softly spoken to try to redeem support. These people are shit, and could take a lesson or two from Nazgul when it comes to running a brand beyond the 'Slytherin Yankees'.
On May 10 2013 09:58 Jinsho wrote: Removing the smartest & brightest person on their roster to pander to the self-important pricks who call themselves their fans is absolutely disgusting. It is clear they were thinking about getting rid of him since earlier & this is just a pretense, and the fact that it all happens in such a transparent disguise is revolting.
If you think what Idra did was actually acceptable behavior then i don't even know. Without fans there is no EG.
lol is this a post
what did he do that wasnt just idra being idra
ive already read the post he supposedly got removed for, but im not seeing anything special about it. it's obvious they've been planning to get rid of him or they just havent revealed the real reason (or might never)
That's the real reason, he's over stepped his boundaries one too many times
i dont really get it then. what does eg even have without idra
he was always their poster boy in sc2. none of their players can win anything anymore. not that idra has (for awhile anyway), but he was definitely one of the faces of eg other than incontrol.
you saw the comment he was responding to. none of the other players on his team put up with that kind of shit. if he tells that person to fuck off, then who cares. guy had it coming. all of "esports" is just filled with a bunch of pussified bitches apparently.
this whole situation is ridiculous
why is e-sports immune to the same social faux pas that real sports is? why the quote brackets when the response from a real sports organization to a serially underperforming player who just happens to get on twitter after a bad day of practice and say his chosen career is only watched by retards would likely be the exact same?
because "esports" isnt even a thing its a thing that people WANT to become a thing but it will never be as popular or far-reaching as real sports, and thats just the truth
people who watch "esports" are already a niche audience that can probably handle a few mean words without running to mommy and daddy. why do people care about some fucking words on the internet? why is everyone trying to look super professional? so someday people can be like "oh esports? i dont watch that its too mainstream."
it blows my mind that people can take serious offense to stuff like a player blowing off steam. im sure you and everyone else in this thread has been in twitch chats with all the idiots. and when i say all the idiots, i mean like 99% of the people in the twitch chats. the non-idiots are pretty much the ones you dont even know are there (i.e, the ones not talking). its gonna be rough dealing with shitty people when youre trying to entertain them, even if part of that entertainment is you being an asshole.
but then, i shouldnt be surprised. team liquid in particular has become shithole of memes and witch hunts since i started lurking so long ago.
I hope you know that it is gullible fans like you who love the "dark and edgy" persona that idra gloats about exploiting. I'm not sure what your point is, any community would be shitty if everyone was an asshole every time they got even a little upset. Whether or not the community is small or large is irrelevant, sports/e-sports or people in general mostly dislike assholes. You can't act surprised that some people are happy idra got fired.
Getting mad is no excuse for someone to be a complete and total dickhole. Perhaps if he had a legit mental disorder people would be more forgiving, but he simply comes off as a whiny brat.
nice baseless personal attack bro. unfortunately it didnt really add anything to your post to make it believable
and just to expand a bit, yes idra is whiny, but so are plenty of other players. idra just vocalizes it more. its part of the character that a lot of people like and its honestly why eg is even a popular team at this point. without idra they [probably] would be nothing right now in sc2
people should be free to express themselves in whatever way but always be ready for the consequences and take it. you seem to advocate such behavior just for the sake of rebelling against this "social standards"
if idra made a positive impact to those who love whiny bm, and they love to whine and bm themselves, i hope they disapear with idra.
On May 10 2013 10:24 Heinsenzerg wrote: why the fuck would eg let incontrol go on to state of the game blind, they totally screwed him
Because they're a terrible organization with lots of money. They've had their heads up their asses from day 1, buying players when they win tournaments then failing to foster or cultivate their talent. They've never picked up new players or had any intuition in regards to the scene, so it goes to show they'll continue to make big mistakes--both in and outside of their team.
Remember how Alex Garfield treated Milkis when they talked about player robbing (PuMa)? Then he goes on to speak in interviews all softly spoken to try to redeem support. These people are shit, and could take a lesson or two from Nazgul when it comes to running a brand beyond the 'Slytherin Yankees'.
EG has it's faults definitely. But Suppy pretty much debunks your initial statement.
If you think what Idra did was actually acceptable behavior then i don't even know. Without fans there is no EG.
lol is this a post
what did he do that wasnt just idra being idra
ive already read the post he supposedly got removed for, but im not seeing anything special about it. it's obvious they've been planning to get rid of him or they just havent revealed the real reason (or might never)
That's the real reason, he's over stepped his boundaries one too many times
i dont really get it then. what does eg even have without idra
he was always their poster boy in sc2. none of their players can win anything anymore. not that idra has (for awhile anyway), but he was definitely one of the faces of eg other than incontrol.
you saw the comment he was responding to. none of the other players on his team put up with that kind of shit. if he tells that person to fuck off, then who cares. guy had it coming. all of "esports" is just filled with a bunch of pussified bitches apparently.
this whole situation is ridiculous
why is e-sports immune to the same social faux pas that real sports is? why the quote brackets when the response from a real sports organization to a serially underperforming player who just happens to get on twitter after a bad day of practice and say his chosen career is only watched by retards would likely be the exact same?
Because people like me wouldnt give a fuck about "social faux pas" in either esports or real sports. Because i prefer authenitc players over that ones that act with "political/social corret overlays".
hi sokrates!
as usual, it's vague generalizations with you. where is the line drawn on "authentic" players? would we be accepting of a white supremacist who habitually invoked racist sentiment, as long as he was authentic and up front about his beliefs? where does the greater society come in? more importantly, who cares when sponsors and team managers are the be-all and end-all in any sport, as agents of that greater society?
I would also note, as I have before when you used this same tack with defending destiny, that your lust for non-PC actors are in the distinct, fairly juvenile minority.
On May 10 2013 10:21 rd wrote:
His attitude was immature and childish, and it made him immensely popular. What's your point? It's fairly indicative that everyone else who enjoys it is mature enough not to get overly offended by it and not take it like he just killed your parents.
it's not a question of being offended, it's a question of whether we want this guy repping a progressing scene
really, honestly don't think the majority of people respect idra for his play these days, it's just as an anti-PC crusader and rose-colored accomplishments. sadly, stephano might be able to get away with saying bullshit, but realistically idra doesn't produce the results necessary to have any wiggle room.
Funny that you apply double standards for the same subject. On one side so society is bad for labeling women as breeders on the other hand you bring out social standards to measure our behaviour. So you only bring in the "society" as a valid arguments when it suits your own personal belives. Sounds more "juvenile" than my point of view.
And to answer your question i prefer authentic douchebags of douchebags that act nice because someone told them it is a good thing but still being douchebags.
a belief that women have a greater role in society than to be "breeders"? ...yeah. is this a serious argument? it's not a black and white portrait, society is less progressive in some aspects than others. I'm not continuing this OT tangent that you originated, either.
Again, that is your own SUBJECTIVE view of society being progressive or reactionary. For me a community is not progressive if they bring out the pitchforks everytime someone says something they might get offended by.
there are certain assumptions to being labeled as a "progressive" society that I'm increasingly certain you don't understand, namely that "progressive" policies attempt to help at-risk subdivisions of society re: women/minorities/oppressed sexualities.
do you think idra is being oppressed when people ask him to not call them rubes who throw money at him when he doesn't respect them? what is there to respect in that statement? what about him, in 2013, is to be respected to make up for that statement instead of EG finally throwing him out?
On May 10 2013 09:58 Jinsho wrote: Removing the smartest & brightest person on their roster to pander to the self-important pricks who call themselves their fans is absolutely disgusting. It is clear they were thinking about getting rid of him since earlier & this is just a pretense, and the fact that it all happens in such a transparent disguise is revolting.
If you think what Idra did was actually acceptable behavior then i don't even know. Without fans there is no EG.
lol is this a post
what did he do that wasnt just idra being idra
ive already read the post he supposedly got removed for, but im not seeing anything special about it. it's obvious they've been planning to get rid of him or they just havent revealed the real reason (or might never)
That's the real reason, he's over stepped his boundaries one too many times
i dont really get it then. what does eg even have without idra
he was always their poster boy in sc2. none of their players can win anything anymore. not that idra has (for awhile anyway), but he was definitely one of the faces of eg other than incontrol.
you saw the comment he was responding to. none of the other players on his team put up with that kind of shit. if he tells that person to fuck off, then who cares. guy had it coming. all of "esports" is just filled with a bunch of pussified bitches apparently.
this whole situation is ridiculous
why is e-sports immune to the same social faux pas that real sports is? why the quote brackets when the response from a real sports organization to a serially underperforming player who just happens to get on twitter after a bad day of practice and say his chosen career is only watched by retards would likely be the exact same?
Because people like me wouldnt give a fuck about "social faux pas" in either esports or real sports. Because i prefer authenitc players over that ones that act with "political/social corret overlays".
hi sokrates!
as usual, it's vague generalizations with you. where is the line drawn on "authentic" players? would we be accepting of a white supremacist who habitually invoked racist sentiment, as long as he was authentic and up front about his beliefs? where does the greater society come in? more importantly, who cares when sponsors and team managers are the be-all and end-all in any sport, as agents of that greater society?
I would also note, as I have before when you used this same tack with defending destiny, that your lust for non-PC actors are in the distinct, fairly juvenile minority.
On May 10 2013 10:21 rd wrote:
His attitude was immature and childish, and it made him immensely popular. What's your point? It's fairly indicative that everyone else who enjoys it is mature enough not to get overly offended by it and not take it like he just killed your parents.
it's not a question of being offended, it's a question of whether we want this guy repping a progressing scene
really, honestly don't think the majority of people respect idra for his play these days, it's just as an anti-PC crusader and rose-colored accomplishments. sadly, stephano might be able to get away with saying bullshit, but realistically idra doesn't produce the results necessary to have any wiggle room.
Funny that you apply double standards for the same subject. On one side so society is bad for labeling women as breeders on the other hand you bring out social standards to measure our behaviour. So you only bring in the "society" as a valid arguments when it suits your own personal belives. Sounds more "juvenile" than my point of view.
And to answer your question i prefer authentic douchebags of douchebags that act nice because someone told them it is a good thing but still being douchebags.
a belief that women have a greater role in society than to be "breeders"? ...yeah. is this a serious argument? it's not a black and white portrait, society is less progressive in some aspects than others. I'm not continuing this OT tangent that you originated, either.
pieisamazing, your post that I didn't realize was in response to me is replete with reductive reasoning and is generally just ragingly offensive. try to come at it from a more calm standpoint and I might consider responding, but I'm not in the mood to break down a post of that size with that many subjective, obnoxious generalizations.
sorry man. you lost me with your high school vocabulary. "replete with reductive reasoning" "subjective, obnoxious generalizations" come on man
instead of using the thesaurus tool to add some grown-up to your posts, just get down to earth with me here and respond to my earlier post. im still waiting for you
The funny thing about IdrA's comments is he was absolutely right. The community clearly values personalities much more than it does the highest level of play. His stream is clearly evidence of it. And while it's not wise to basically shit on the fan-base when he's basically the no.1 benefactor of that setup, what he said was totally accurate. Ultimately, eSports are entertainment, and viewers matter much more than performance.
I feel like I would hate IdrA if I didn't agree with just about everything he says...and I'm a Terran player.
Well, shit. I can understand EG's decision. IdrA's behavior over the past year or so is not the image that EG wants to be putting out to their fans. I think Incontrol handled the news being sprung on him very professionally. That was a really hard thing to hear. I will continue to support EG as a fan. I hope IdrA will use this as motivation to truly change for the better and keep his comments in check more.
I honestly knew about this a month ago when it was said... I told people about it and they didn't believe me. IdrA broke his Astro headphones in a game vs. Dragon. Dragon won that game. Greg smashed the headphones and called him a "faggot." Thousands saw this... That was the turning point where EG took his negativity seriously. It wasn't just for attention anymore, he has a serious mental problem. Not to mention how disrespectful he was to the "team." This is good news to hear. Hopefully IdrA can get some help and become a much more humbled player... But I doubt it. Not to mention he has accomplished nothing in the past year... Good job EG. Next is to get rid of HuK.
On May 10 2013 09:58 Jinsho wrote: Removing the smartest & brightest person on their roster to pander to the self-important pricks who call themselves their fans is absolutely disgusting. It is clear they were thinking about getting rid of him since earlier & this is just a pretense, and the fact that it all happens in such a transparent disguise is revolting.
If you think what Idra did was actually acceptable behavior then i don't even know. Without fans there is no EG.
lol is this a post
what did he do that wasnt just idra being idra
ive already read the post he supposedly got removed for, but im not seeing anything special about it. it's obvious they've been planning to get rid of him or they just havent revealed the real reason (or might never)
That's the real reason, he's over stepped his boundaries one too many times
i dont really get it then. what does eg even have without idra
he was always their poster boy in sc2. none of their players can win anything anymore. not that idra has (for awhile anyway), but he was definitely one of the faces of eg other than incontrol.
you saw the comment he was responding to. none of the other players on his team put up with that kind of shit. if he tells that person to fuck off, then who cares. guy had it coming. all of "esports" is just filled with a bunch of pussified bitches apparently.
this whole situation is ridiculous
EG is huge now I hope you realize that, they have more than just sc2.
im obviously talking about their sc2 team i hope you realize that
i for one respect and like eg a lot more now.
a poster boy should be something like flash for kt, boxer for ace and skt, jaedong for oz. someone of talent, determination and positive image. if EG really thought idra was their poster boy for being an asshole...i think that would be a wrong approach for a professional starcraft team that competes
real talk, without idra eg would definitely not be as popular as they are now in sc2
Completely true. They wouldn't also wouldn't have half the players they now have, or be in PL. Say whart you want about Idra, but he made EG synonymous with SC2.
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