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So since the other thread was closed... Mainly due to over the top bias in the OP about how 'bad' the casters where, I thought I'd make another thread! Kinda hoping this one is received better overall, since I've seen a couple of 'Caster feedback' threads going around and there are a large number of different guys casting for WCS, it might be interesting!
My opinions below (in spoilers).
+ Show Spoiler + Personally I've found most of the casting fairly decent. A couple time's they have called things wrong and I've sat there thinking 'wait what?' but then they are human beings after all! Mostly its been fine for me. That is maybe my main issue imo, its been 'fine' but not amazing. I guess its hard living up to Tastosis I guess! Maybe a bit more game knowledge and more time casting/ watching games will help some of the newer casters along. I've enjoyed also in the WCS Europe casts, seeing some odd people pop up and being like 'who are they?'. Surprises can be good!
So how do you guys rate the casting so far? What have you liked so far? Funniest moments?
I'm talking all regions here - Americas/ Europe/ Korea. I've refrained from naming casters individually, mainly because chucking in a poll with peoples names brings about a certain amount of bias. Instead of this, its a general poll on the overall standard of casting and if you want to leave specific feedback, go for it in the comments!
Poll: How have you found the overall casting in all WCS regions?Fairly good (101) 38% Great, keep it up! (73) 28% Average - Could do better! (40) 15% Every night in my dreams, I dream of the casters, I feel them... (16) 6% So bad I muted them! (16) 6% Not great (15) 6% Really bad (2) 1% 263 total votes Your vote: How have you found the overall casting in all WCS regions? (Vote): Every night in my dreams, I dream of the casters, I feel them...
(Vote): Great, keep it up!
(Vote): Fairly good
(Vote): Average - Could do better!
(Vote): Not great
(Vote): Really bad
(Vote): So bad I muted them!
Poll: I feel the casters understanding of the game is:Good - Right most of the time (113) 57% Okay - Kinda 50/50 (52) 26% Excellent - Almost always right (19) 10% Not good - Wrong more often (11) 6% Really bad - Almost always wrong (5) 3% 200 total votes Your vote: I feel the casters understanding of the game is: (Vote): Excellent - Almost always right
(Vote): Good - Right most of the time
(Vote): Okay - Kinda 50/50
(Vote): Not good - Wrong more often
(Vote): Really bad - Almost always wrong
Poll: What region has the best casting so far?WCS Korea (72) 56% WCS Europe (42) 33% WCS Americas (15) 12% 129 total votes Your vote: What region has the best casting so far? (Vote): WCS Korea
(Vote): WCS Americas
(Vote): WCS Europe
(Main tournament casting thoughts could be added here laters I guess).
Cheers!
Edit - Added another poll. More in towards how you feel casters knowledge is, as opposed to how much you like the smooth sound of their voice etc 
Edit 2 - Added a 3rd poll (almost getting too many lol) since people have stated they have wildly differing opinions on different regions.
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Way too many poll options haha, especially the most positive one
The casters are good.
KR is good as usual.
EU has Kaelaris and ToD who are really good, but sometimes get on my nerves a little bit when it comes to their humor or personalities. Their gameplay analysis/play-by-play is on par.
I wasn't really a big fan of Axslav/Axeltoss, due to the vibe I got from them. I don't know, I guess I felt like they didn't go well together. Axslav/Shamtoo is really not all too bad! It's good to see MLG bring in another caster, especially one who has already contributed a lot to the community in Playhem.
All in all the casters are good, and are steadily improving in this day-to-day casting schedule, and I hope the all of them improve to the point that they are all really enjoyable, at least for me.
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On May 08 2013 11:26 vult wrote:Way too many poll options haha, especially the most positive one The casters are good. KR is good as usual. EU has Kaelaris and ToD who are really good, but sometimes get on my nerves a little bit when it comes to their humor or personalities. Their gameplay analysis/play-by-play is on par. I wasn't really a big fan of Axslav/Axeltoss, due to the vibe I got from them. I don't know, I guess I felt like they didn't go well together. Axslav/Shamtoo is really not all too bad! It's good to see MLG bring in another caster, especially one who has already contributed a lot to the community in Playhem. All in all the casters are good, and are steadily improving in this day-to-day casting schedule, and I hope the all of them improve to the point that they are all really enjoyable, at least for me.
I think tod/kaelaris are doing extremely well in terms of humor/bias when compared to how other casters (for instance artosis/tasteless are stupidly biased towards protoss/taeja/parting/innovation)
I personally think Axslav is fine but sometimes I doubt Axeltoss understanding of the game.
I also think that casters should spend most of the casting time talking about:
1) what the players can (or should) do in the near future of the game and why
2) different things that the players did when compared to the current meta game (it can be anything from tech routes to little tricks)
2) jokes
instead of:
1) what exactly is going on the screen (because we can see that)
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Shamtoo (sp?) is really good. He's voice is smooth and he doesn't yell or scream during important battles. He also doesn't make a bunch of predictions or try to do really detailed analysis, he leaves it to Axslav.
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I want ToD to cast everything.
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China6330 Posts
KR: Tastosis+Wolfdor with occasionaly Wolftosis, what can you demand more?
EU: Kaelaris+ToD, good enough for me.
NA: Shamtoo+Axslav > Axeltoss+Axslav.
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i like all the casters -- they're doing really good.
but my favorite is the kaelaris + tod combo. they were good at first - and they're getting even better. good play by play, analysis and jokes. and really good player interviews! i hope they cast more stuff together in the future.
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No idea why, but i didn't really like the MLG casters. Don't know if they rubbed me wrong or something, but for me it was just boring to watch/hear them.
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I like the way Axslav and Shamtoo work, they both seem to know their separate roles (analyst and commentator)
ToD and Kaelaris, imo, are hilarious
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On May 08 2013 11:37 Dudasc wrote:
I think tod/kaelaris are doing extremely well in terms of humor/bias when compared to how other casters (for instance artosis/tasteless are stupidly biased towards protoss/taeja/parting/innovation)
I personally think Axslav is fine but sometimes I doubt Axeltoss understanding of the game.
I also think that casters should spend most of the casting time talking about:
1) what the players can (or should) do in the near future of the game and why
2) different things that the players did when compared to the current meta game (it can be anything from tech routes to little tricks)
2) jokes
instead of:
1) what exactly is going on the screen (because we can see that)
There's a lot of controversy over this, a lot of want to hear the play by play most of the time. A lot of other people hate when casters make predictions. That's why some casting teams have fallen into the idea of having one person really good at play by play, who then sends it over to the analyst whenever there is nothing going on.
Some people also get really pissed off when a lot of jokes are told, because they expect them to " be paying attention to the game"
Long story short, there's no clear cut thing casters Should Do, cause you can't please everybody.
If you want to learn more about casting you should check out feardragon's opinion on the whole thing, I think he's plannign on writing a couple of blogs: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=411524
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Bisutopia19271 Posts
When you consider the number of hours straight that mlg casters did it I was pretty impressed with it overall.
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Poor Axeltoss, takes a vacation, and returns to find out the community likes his fill-in better :\
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They are all really good, been missing Axeltoss though! Ax^2 is pretty good.
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ToD is just awful. He may know game but not about casting anything...its horrible. And they can't give you any spirit if you know what I mean.
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I like all of it so far. I'm not the most discerning person when it comes to caster issues, I never really have issues with casters until they say things that are egregriously dumb. So far I've really enjoyed WCS, the games and the casting. All the pairs are aweome and I have no issues. I especially like Axslav and Axel, or really those two paired with anyone. I find that I just generally think the two's great knowledge of the game paired with some funny sides really works. Side note, ToD is hilarious lol.
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Not sold on WCS AM yet... but I like the other regions. Tod + Kaelaris has been a great surprise.
Polls are pretty silly though. It's only 'fairly good' cause I don't like AM, but there's no option for me to say that.
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Have really been only to watch a decent amount of the American WCS and I have been enjoying it. Nice job Axel and Axslav.
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Yeah the poll options suck.
NA: I'm a big fan of Axslav, but Axeltoss I can do without. Shamtoo did a better job providing the "excitment" than Axeltoss did in the two games I saw of him. That said, given the chance I'd want to see the NASL casting crews. Or TB+Axslav.
Europe : Kaelaris + ToD are great. Feel free to sub in Apollo for either of them because he's THE MAN.
Asia : I still feel tastosis is/are overrated (but really good) and wolf+khaldor are rock solid too.
Overall a great lineup. I don't even think Axeltoss is bad. I'd give him a 5/10, but compared to everyone else in the 7-8.5 range, he is the weakest of the bunch.
Edit : Corrected a comment to make it clearer I'm a huge Apollo fanboy.
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NA: IPL casters were more exciting and fun to listen to. MLG casters so far as just... bleh worst out of all 3. They should have used NASL casters. Or maybe even Day[9]! I'd actually have more fun watching Husky and HD cast over MLG casters.
EU: Kaelaris is decent, but there's better choices out there to pair him up with. I'd take Appolo and TB. Not sure who else is a good caster in EU aside them though.
KR. Need I say more? Mecca of eSports = mecca of casting. Nothing can beat them. Ya there's a bit of bias, but when you have a strong player, well anyone's gonna be biased to them winning the match.
Overall, like WCS, the casting quality depends on the region just like the quality of games and how the tournament is run, generally speaking.
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ToD is a great caster (i especially like his accent), Kaelaris is decent (however he needs to up his game knowledge alittle bit, so he doesn't say something stupid)
Axelav is doing great casting imho (his solo casting felt really good)
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Love ToD and Kaelaris, but ToD needs to get some sleep. Seriously.
EDIT: As for NA, I find the casting to be quite uneasy, if competent, as if someone from MLG stood behind them with a gun saying: "Act professionally, act businesslike or else...". They both need to relax, especially Axeltoss.
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ToD and Kaelaris have been great. I always liked ToD's casting, and, now that he and Kaelaris have built up some chemistry, I've come to enjoy Kaelaris a lot as well. I think they'll only continue to improve the more they work together, but I also know ToD isn't casting the round of 16, so that's a bit disappointing.
Axeltoss and Axslav still seem a bit off. When they started casting together I figured they'd take a little time to get their chemistry together and then it'd be great - since Axel is a really great discussion facilitator and Axslav is really knowledgeable. However, it seems like the chemistry still isn't there. Sometimes they talk over each other, and it feels like they don't really have any system or roles to fit into. I'd be really curious to see what it'd be like to have two strong analysts and Axeltoss. I've seen Axel host "talk shows" before and he's great at it. I feel like a 3-man cast with him, Axslav, and another strong analyst could be great because Axel could then probe their minds and keep the cast running smoothly.
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WCS EU : Tod / Kaelaris are great. They complete each other very well and they have developped their own style. Nice little trash talk sometimes, but in a funny way, very subtle. Love them.
WCS KR : Well. Those casters are classics. Solid. Solid. Solid.
WCS AM : I don't want to bash but, to me, Axeltoss felt out of place. Shamtoo is doing better, his knowledge about the game is better and he knows when to pass the ball to Axslav who, in my opinion, is doing a great job and basically carrying the show all by himself.
EDIT: As for NA, I find the casting to be quite uneasy, if competent, as if someone from MLG stood behind them with a gun saying: "Act professionally, act businesslike or else...". They both need to relax, especially Axeltoss.
I have to agree with this. It would be nice if they loosen up a bit and start to enjoy the game. It's a game, have some fun, break the etiquette.
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the WCS America casters , its like theyre trying too hard to fall in the "serious TV sports broadcast" category , they still do a good job but the feeling I get from them is awkward compared to the rest... they look so serious and uncomfortable with the camera and each other... maybe only a personal thing.
Aside from that the casting has been great , loving it across all regions.
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eu: I like Kaelaris and ToD, even though their chemistry is not perfect yet. Still, they're providing a fun cast with a decent knowledge level.
kr: not much to say here. Tastosis are good (but not perfect), Wolf is awesome and Khaldor is okay, too. A really solid lineup.
am: Meh. Axslav knows a lot about the game and his analysis is fine most of the time, but I find it hard to listen to him. Sometimes he's mumbling / stuttering too much, but he definitely has become better during the last months. As others have already said, Shamtoo/Axslav are a good duo, while Axeltoss has been a disappointment so far. I'm still sad that we didn't get the NASL casters.
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tod's casting is worse than his opinions on balance
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jk <3 tod :D you are doing awesome
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There should be a poll for each region.. Each region is different.
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Kaelaris is fun to watch and his appearance is similar to Boromir , enjoying their casting on EU so far 10/10, Tod felt bit passive but still during games their duo is fine to listen to.
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KR(Seen nearly all casts): Fine as per usual, their "Tasteless/Artosis ask me a question" routine gets old after a while and sometimes I wish they'd diversify how they fill in time, but solid casting, a good benchmark for other casters.
EU(2-3 days of casting seen): Kaeleris is sort of the solid caster that doesn't add much flair. ToD is improving but as other people have said, there are better options out there. Definetely would vuoch for Apollo.
NA(3-4 days of casting seen: Axslav has good analysis, lacks hyping skills. Axeltoss is sort of boring to listen to, and together with Axslav make the cast either awkward or a bit of a snooze fest. The guy subbing in Schamtoo, has a great voice, and knows when to pass the mic back to Axslav, his game knowledge from what I've seen is significantly lacking unfortunately, but given its only his first few initial casts, he has good potential once he learns the game a bit more.
For the most part, the casters are doing sufficiently well.
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NA casters are far too stiff. I get that MLG is the most TV-wanabee of all SC2 tournament runners but this hurts the entertainment value I feel. I feel like I'm watching News at 10 sometimes.
Not to complain about their knowledge or play by play though, that's pretty fine.
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Anyone who saw Wolf and Artosis cast yesterday, tell me that's not superior to Tasteless and Artosis. No more pointless talks about random shit I don't care about. No more stupid jokes that aren't even that funny. No more "soooo guys we're gonna have some down time here... players are just playing standard." Actual insightful commentary and focus on the game? What a rare occurrence.
Honestly, I've been growing sick of Tasteless over the past year and a half, and I think it's high time GOMTV retired him.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
KR: Perfect, i guess the only way to make it god like is to have Tastosis cast Code A side too xD but it's still by far the best
EU: Kaelaris+ToD don't do anything for me im afraid, people say there good so i can't complain to much. I would of rather seen someone else given a try but the best casters from EU have gone over to NA though (TotalBiscuit Rotterdam)
NA: Like the worst one by a million miles, out of ALL the casters available in the NA region they pick arguably the worst 2 possible...Incontrol Rotterdam MrBitter TotalBiscuit Day9 Husky Frodan PainUser are all available to pick from in NA and they choose Axeltoss and Axslav 0.O
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I like watching Korea because of the great casting, always going to learn something 
EU has ToD casting which is really cool as you get the perspective of a pro on the game, also Kaelaris has really improved his casting over the past few months
AM I didnt really watch much of, but lately seeing Axslav and Shamtoo I am really enjoying watching the AM games,the pair works really well and you get a good understanding on what is going
Overall I can I say I am quiet happy with the casting quality of the WCS, it has been good and/or improving all round
edit: spellings
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I'm really happy with all the casters. No complaints here, keep up the good work, guys, and big thanks.
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I find Kaelaris to be repeating himself a lot. With every broadcast it gets more and more annoying
Tod and Axslav do great imo. They have great game knowledge, which is what i mostly look for. Kinda sucks when they lose their words though!
Schampoo or whatever his name is i cannot stand. Do not enjoy his casting.
Still wondering why there's no .gif's going around the net of him flailing his head around during every break between games, as Axslav is talking.
Axeltoss is meh'ish. Obviously not the best choice on NA, but he's doing good enough for me to not just want to close the stream when i hear him.
Tastosis spoils me every time on GSL though, so it makes the other casters look bad :D
Overall it's not bad. Hopefully will get better with time.
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Russian Federation117 Posts
ToD and Kaelaris are doing great. Great chemistry between them and very on top casting and understanding of the game.
I also think ToD has improved his English and casting skills a lot which definitely shows.
I also love how ToD is always joking and picking on Kaelaris in a good way. An Kaelaris is really responding well, creating very good entertainment for the viewers. Additionally they do just the right amount of these jokes and funny remarks and don't overdo it too much.
Keep it up guys, great work so far.
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"in all regions" i cant really vote ... because its not even CLOSE the same
eu so far with kaelaris and tod are fantastic and close to korean leven while the american still seems at least 3 levels below and i think they need to switch the team (i think axeltoss need to be replaced, but thats personal oppinion but for me he makes cast boring, even moire then axslav alone)
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On May 08 2013 17:25 Pandemona wrote:
KR: Perfect, i guess the only way to make it god like is to have Tastosis cast Code A side too xD but it's still by far the best
EU: Kaelaris+ToD don't do anything for me im afraid, people say there good so i can't complain to much. I would of rather seen someone else given a try but the best casters from EU have gone over to NA though (TotalBiscuit Rotterdam)
NA: Like the worst one by a million miles, out of ALL the casters available in the NA region they pick arguably the worst 2 possible...Incontrol Rotterdam MrBitter TotalBiscuit Day9 Husky Frodan PainUser are all available to pick from in NA and they choose Axeltoss and Axslav 0.O
axlsav isnt the problem, he is just WAY TO SHY ... he needs to get opener, but you normaly have 1 analyst 1 entertainer, i dont se how axeltoss can entertain me ... he trys to go analyticvs etc and nothing full we need a full entertainer so i would say husky/tb/day9/ one of them who is an entertainer like tastless
edit: also in us they said its a surprise that jim won vs sasquatchs ... when you say something where 98% of the listeners think WTF then its just not good
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On May 08 2013 11:37 Dudasc wrote:
instead of:
1) what exactly is going on the screen (because we can see that)
This bothers me a lot when i watch the NA stream.
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On May 08 2013 15:32 Swords wrote:
ToD and Kaelaris have been great. I always liked ToD's casting, and, now that he and Kaelaris have built up some chemistry, I've come to enjoy Kaelaris a lot as well. I think they'll only continue to improve the more they work together, but I also know ToD isn't casting the round of 16, so that's a bit disappointing.
What? Tod isn't casting round of 16? Are you sure? Never heard of that before ; /
To the casters themselves:
KR: Awesome...I love Tastosis, great synergy, great gameknowledge (Artosis that is) and I personally really like their jokes, cant complain Khaldor and Wolf do pretty fine, too. Always liked Khaldor since his casting in german back then, even remeber him from WC3. Wolf has good gameknowledge and his comments about anyones hair always make me smile. Keep up the good work!
EU: Kaelaris has a nice to listen to voice, his play-by-play is fine. Tod has a lot of gameknowledge, as well as about the players in person and their playstyle. I also feel he improved a lot on pronnouncement and other stuff regarding casting, so I enjoy them both pretty much. They built up a nice synergy, too.
NA: I really, really enjoyed Axslavs solocasting, i never thought it would be that good. Was really amazed For Axeltoss... sorry, he seems like a nice guy, but I never enjoyed his casting, to me he just feels boring :/ Shamtoo was great though, pleasent voice to listen to, works well with Axslav. Would love to see him cast more for MLG!
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still its a rly bad vote and i would prefer again a close and new thread, as i can vote for excelent, meh and rly bad same time for different regions ... there is absolute no reason to put tastetosis and axeltoss kalearis and co in ONE vote ...
the thing is readong this thread alot say axeltoss just not do it for them, and that axslav is evne better alone BUT it wont change that he IS the caster and i think they wont switch it ... so instead perhaps he should sit down and think about how to improve his cast by alot
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You can't make a single poll for 3 total different casting teams. This makes absolutely no sense!
ToD and Kalaris are doing a great job. I think ToD's future in esport lies definately in casting, he's done great here in the past months (remember the M-House Cup?)
Tastosis are doing what they did in the past few years - though Artosis is carrying Tastless through in my oppinion.
Axeltoss and Axlav - I can't stand Axeltoss casting. It's boring and he tells you things that are just completely wrong. He has absolutely no clue about the game. D:
DoA and Montechristo: I think they are being ignored by the community while doing an awesome job. I watched their cast yesterday and it was very good, but they only had like 300 Viewers. People just appreciate their work more!
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On May 08 2013 17:42 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 17:25 Pandemona wrote:
KR: Perfect, i guess the only way to make it god like is to have Tastosis cast Code A side too xD but it's still by far the best
EU: Kaelaris+ToD don't do anything for me im afraid, people say there good so i can't complain to much. I would of rather seen someone else given a try but the best casters from EU have gone over to NA though (TotalBiscuit Rotterdam)
NA: Like the worst one by a million miles, out of ALL the casters available in the NA region they pick arguably the worst 2 possible...Incontrol Rotterdam MrBitter TotalBiscuit Day9 Husky Frodan PainUser are all available to pick from in NA and they choose Axeltoss and Axslav 0.O axlsav isnt the problem, he is just WAY TO SHY ... he needs to get opener, but you normaly have 1 analyst 1 entertainer, i dont se how axeltoss can entertain me ... he trys to go analyticvs etc and nothing full we need a full entertainer so i would say husky/tb/day9/ one of them who is an entertainer like tastless edit: also in us they said its a surprise that jim won vs sasquatchs ... when you say something where 98% of the listeners think WTF then its just not good
Axslav is OK, and Husky on a good day might work, but the other two would just talk over Axslav all the time and wouldn't match well.
That bein said, yesterday casting ZvZ he was awful. He could do with working on ZvZ knowledge.
If NASL had it instead of MLG it would have resulted in the best NA casting lineup.
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axslav should be solo casting, he's amazing D: reminded me of day9s solo cast during tsl3 finals
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On May 08 2013 17:47 TeeTS wrote:
You can't make a single poll for 3 total different casting teams. This makes absolutely no sense!
ToD and Kalaris are doing a great job. I think ToD's future in esport lies definately in casting, he's done great here in the past months (remember the M-House Cup?)
Tastosis are doing what they did in the past few years - though Artosis is carrying Tastless through in my oppinion.
Axeltoss and Axlav - I can't stand Axeltoss casting. It's boring and he tells you things that are just completely wrong. He has absolutely no clue about the game. D:
DoA and Montechristo: I think they are being ignored by the community while doing an awesome job. I watched their cast yesterday and it was very good, but they only had like 300 Viewers. People just appreciate their work more!
the problem is, in the OSL cast, the osl casters will have zero views too and gsl will have all the casts even from outside the studio ... bad but you CANT compare the same cast running against tastetosis  so sad doa is great but ... dude tastosis !!
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I would say the most important thing is pretty much across the board I have noticed improvements over a relatively short period.
Korea WCS has the best offering with Tastosis but also DOA/Montechristo are good. I do feel Tastosis should put way more emphasis on the fact it is a WCS tournament and less on the Code S aspect.
WCS EU has improved markedly day on day and I now enjoy their offering a great deal. I hope whomever takes over from Todd is up to scratch. I am assuming it will be Apollo or possibly Hasuobs or Grubby if he loses today.
WCS NA still has the most room for improvement although Axlav is really growing into a strong analytical caster. Axel is fair but not great and Schamtoo looks very nervous, perhaps because he is effectively on trial. I expect Rotterdam will kill it today and in general I miss NASL casters who would kill it.
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I really love the wcs eu skype interviews, the analytical questions rather than "so did you think you'd win? do you think you'll win next game?" give a great insight into the games and top players thought process and often highlight or bring up viewpoints or subtleties that I had not considered and often even top casters miss.
tod + kaelaris very good. I like axslav but not too keen on the na co-casters, they seem a bit bland and humourless to me (maybe its just american humour, not sure)...axslav is the guy with great game knowledge therefore his co-casters really need to have good humour.
then for korea, tastosis actually grates with me nowadays, maybe its because theyve been casting for so long whenever they do filler talking about non-starcraft stuff it always feels really forced. Khaldor and wolf I think are the best caster combo in the world maybe on par with bitterdam. They both seem to have really good game knowledge, both have great passion for the game, are both pretty funny guys without it ever having to feel like forced humour....and they just seem to have great chemistry together.
I know tastosis will never be 'demoted' to code A and i don't think they have done anything wrong to deserve to, but khaldor and wolf have been so impressive I would love to see the casters rotated between code A and code S.
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Korea is obviously by far the best, especially wolf and artosis are at the very top of the caster buisness in terms of game understanding (I don't need somebody to tell me what I see/the minimap and production tab says). I'd still put tasteless and khaldor over any caster in the other two wcs regions as well, so huge props to gom, amazing casters! I haven't listened to ogn's stream a lot, but I really dislike the monte guy he is kinda bad at casting starcraft, doa is awesome though.
For EU it's still pretty decent. ToD is really really good nowadays, he has improved his casting a lot, and his knowledge as a pro gamer obviously helps a lot, I just wish he'd spent some time playing terran/zerg, because I feel like his protoss understanding is still way above his other two races. As for Kalaeris, well he is kinda bad but tries really hard, I just feel like he should spent way more time playing the game instead of reading twitter drama...
NA is ok I guess. Axslav does an amazing job, his casting has become sooo good, in fact his solo cast was the best wcs na cast thus far imho. Schamtoo or whatever his name is is so fucking terrible though. I understand he isn't actually a starcraft guy, but I'd prefer to have axslav solo cast because shamtoo casts on a level any gold league player could (hi tb!). Axeltoss has always been decent, but given he is on vacation atm and I didn't watch much wcs na he actually casted I'm not quiet sure where he is at. I really enjoyed his casting at the mvp invitational though (kinda reminds me of chris puckett for all the old school halo people in here). If they really get rotterdam tonight that'd be great, I really love his casting.
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i don't know if i can vote on that poll. the regions are very different in their casting and the level of it.
Tastosis is the best caster combo in the history of sc2, and i doubt that will ever change. Wolf and Khaldor are great too.
Kaelaris and ToD work together very well, a lot better than i expected. Kaelaris tends to annoy me when he's solo casting, but the combo is great and ToD is just awesome in general. very entertaining cast too, they tend to talk a lot of shit, which i think is good cause i know enough about sc2 to not need all that much help understanding what is going on, but then ToD occasionally comes in with that pro level insight which is great too.
Axeltoss is one of my least favorite casters ever. i'm sorry, but it's true. the way he talks is annoying, he shouts all over his co-caster way too much, once he starts talking it never stops and his attempts at analysis are downright dreadful. Axslav, on the other hand, is quite charismatic imo and has amazing analysis. i also have some bias towards him from war3 day. i gotta admit his voice/the way he talks is a little awkward. that Shampoo guy or whatever that casted with Axslav once made the cast much better. bring that guy back and give Axeltoss a position behind the scenes imo.
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new na is better but still bad
i like eu but for eu i listen to german stream anyway so i wouldnt even be bothered if they were bad :D
wolf+artosis>tastosis
and khaldor is just badass anyway
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
I'm beginning to find Wolf/Khaldor quite hard to listen to. Quite often during the casts they say completely the wrong things and miss obvious things that happen (like when a stargate was cancelled and they spent the next 5 minutes saying he needs an oracle immediately).
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I already gave my opinion but I feel we should also mention the observing.
At GomTV, the observer got godlike skills and is doing an amazing job. He's nearly always where he should be and oftentime while the casters are talking, the mouse cursor is pointing what needs to be shown (be it an upgrade or building in the production tab, the minimap, something on the map or the money of the players). It's really like a third silent caster.
If WCS EU and WCS AM want to improve, they should really look into the observing of GomTV, imo. It's so good it deserves a mention alongside the casters.
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On May 08 2013 11:57 digmouse wrote:
KR: Tastosis+Wolfdor with occasionaly Wolftosis, what can you demand more?
EU: Kaelaris+ToD, good enough for me.
NA: Shamtoo+Axslav > Axeltoss+Axslav.
Just want to second this...
KR is amazing
EU is plenty good
... NA... I don't get why you don't find someone as good as you have in the other regions... No offense to the casters, but they are just not on par with the others
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KR: Amazing as always
EU: Was really surprised and I feel that they are getting better and better.
NA: I think that out of the three regions, this is the one that needs the most improvement but I still find the casting above par even though i think some casters are better suited than axeltoss and axlav...
Overall i do find the casting good.
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KR: Wolftosis best combo so far, it was great. Khaldor puts in a lot of hard work and is getting better, Tasteless I'm not a big fan of, talks too much about unrelated stuff and even when he's excited it seems forced. When he's talking about how good the game is it feels like he doesn't believe it himself.
EU: The chemistry is getting better between Khaelaris and ToD, I like their small little jabs at eachother and sometimes the players.
NA: Axslav is awkward and seems shy but his game knowledge is sound, so I'm sure he can get better. Schamtoo read situations really bad, it felt like he isn't even playing the game. I muted the stream and put on music instead.
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The caster duo's for EU and KR are indeed more than fine. I prefer axslav solo casting over axel/axslav and shamtoo/axslav. I think I (we?!) gotta give shamtoo some time before judging him but it feels indeed like he's just saying what's on the screen. And yeah, 1 entertainer and 1 analyst is the way to go. The entertainment part is missing on NA imo. Maybe totalbiscuit or catspajamas or mcduffs (the hookah guy from imbatv) can fullfill that role.
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I like EU and KR guys, personally I feel Axslav just drops the ball vocally for me, no offence but whatever the lisp/problem he has combined with his whiny voice, he is in no way fit to be a caster. Just puts me off so much.
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Yeah, my opinions aren't much different from what's been said already.
WCS KR: Duh. Probably the two best casting duos out there.
WCS EU: It's like a cool, pleasant breeze. Every time I tune in, I know I won't be annoyed, and I can just enjoy the games. No crazy shouting or ridiculous hype, just Starcraft. ToD's analysis is great, but I think his postmortems are a lot more interesting than the things he actually says on the fly. Kaeleris doesn't add a ton to the cast honestly, but he knows his role and he is eager to learn, so that's fine.
WCS NA: Yeah well, I don't hate it, but I can't say I'm happy with it. It seems most people like Axslav, but I find his knowledge lacking in non-P matchups, and he has no charisma or chemistry with anyone he's paired with. He's very mopey all the time, has a poor casting voice (it does matter somewhat), and overall I don't think I could ever enjoy his casting unless he becomes more personable. I don't mind Axeltoss quite as much, he can be humorous, but he tends to cut Axslav off sometimes, and a lot of the time he'll say something wrong and Axslav won't correct him. I actually think he'd work alright with a different partner, in a lower-profile event. Neither of them is bad, but I don't feel like they're at a professional casting level.
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On May 08 2013 17:42 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 17:25 Pandemona wrote:
KR: Perfect, i guess the only way to make it god like is to have Tastosis cast Code A side too xD but it's still by far the best
EU: Kaelaris+ToD don't do anything for me im afraid, people say there good so i can't complain to much. I would of rather seen someone else given a try but the best casters from EU have gone over to NA though (TotalBiscuit Rotterdam)
NA: Like the worst one by a million miles, out of ALL the casters available in the NA region they pick arguably the worst 2 possible...Incontrol Rotterdam MrBitter TotalBiscuit Day9 Husky Frodan PainUser are all available to pick from in NA and they choose Axeltoss and Axslav 0.O axlsav isnt the problem, he is just WAY TO SHY ... he needs to get opener, but you normaly have 1 analyst 1 entertainer, i dont se how axeltoss can entertain me ... he trys to go analyticvs etc and nothing full we need a full entertainer so i would say husky/tb/day9/ one of them who is an entertainer like tastless edit: also in us they said its a surprise that jim won vs sasquatchs ... when you say something where 98% of the listeners think WTF then its just not good
Lol what they said that about Jim?!?! ROFL Glad i wasn't their listening to that, jesus christ >.< Jim is my favorite Chinese player by a mile, he is so talented for his age it's unreal! Im so surprised they didn't do any research on him!
But i guess i could be ok with Axslav as if like you say TB/Day9/Husky was alongside him making it a bit more entertaining.
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Well, I have to say that ToD/Kaeleris are my favourite casters... KR is good too, and NA was best when Axslav casted alone, otherwise pretty underwhelming...
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We need more analysis and less play by play casters... Please. AM and Code A KR casters are problematic in that, really.
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EU and KR have awesome casters.
NA needs a lot more work. When compared to EU and KR's casters, they're pretty far down.
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EU is best obviously. Tastosis is just to much bias it is really not fun anymore and the ask me something is getting way to stale.
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For some reason, i can't stand Kaeleris. i can't put my finger on what it is just yet, but i just personally don't like him. Tod has fantastic game knowledge, so i'm thrilled that hes casting. Korea is great as always. I like Axslav for NA. like tod, he has good game knowledge. i think its so cool that tournaments are brining in pro's as casters. their game knowledge is just so great
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On May 08 2013 20:29 Nyvis wrote:
We need more analysis and less play by play casters... Please. AM and Code A KR casters are problematic in that, really.
Put your feet in the shoes of the guy who plays Nexus wars only, never touched the ladder and is tuning in to his first event.
We need someone to explain it in simple terms and to get the excitement going. We aren't in for a lecture.
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wolf and khaldor don't get as much notice as their code s counterparts but they are definitely more gameplay focused. other than the occasional player mix-up I think they're pretty good actually.
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Kaelaris and ToD are amazing casters. It is nice to have ToD as a player who has a lot of deep knowledge of the game compared to other casters. Also their jokes are fun
edit: Korea as awesome as usual, but NA isn't so great...
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KR
Artosis - solid as usual. The best SC2 caster there is atm. Not really much to say.
Tasteless - I wish that Tasteless would start to learn how to play Starcraft 2 so he could contribute to the actual casting of the game. When you watch Artosis cast with Apollo, or a lesser extent Wolf, they are bouncing ideas about the game back and forth of each other. When Artosis casts with Tasteless they tend to recycle the same non-game related topics over and over again ("What's your favourite RPG? etc"). His charisma and sense of humour carry him, but he could do much better.
NA
Axeltoss - I personally don't care for casters that don't know much about the game and don't bring anything to the table. Unlike Tasteless I don't find him to be charismatic or have much of a sense of humour. Happy he is on holiday atm.
Axslav - I know for some people his slight speech problem is really annoying, but I don't find that it bothers me that much. Has great game knowledge and can actually talk about the game in an intelligent manner - a very rare quality in a caster (that should be standard).
EU
Kaelaris - similar to Axeltoss but with a British accent. Doesn't have any game knowledge and doesn't bring anything else amazing to the casts.
ToD - good analysis and sense of humour. I find his smug remarks (especially about Zerg players) to be hilarious. I enjoy his casting and hope he does more.
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On May 08 2013 20:49 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 20:29 Nyvis wrote:
We need more analysis and less play by play casters... Please. AM and Code A KR casters are problematic in that, really. Put your feet in the shoes of the guy who plays Nexus wars only, never touched the ladder and is tuning in to his first event. We need someone to explain it in simple terms and to get the excitement going. We aren't in for a lecture.
I didn't say that both casters should do only analysis. But at the moment, we are close to no analysis, with only play by play. You need some play explanation (and not just stating it), some entertainment and some analysis. It's just that analysis is the more lacking of the three.
To above : Artosis-Apollo was the best. Tasteless isn't bad for the entertainment purpose. And I don't think he's bad at the game, he's just letting Artosis do the analysis because it's his role.
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rather than going on about how much I like almost every caster Im going to list a few things that would imo help improve the casts a lot:
- Dont bash players, Players know the games much better than any of us, rather than saying theyre bad / doing a bad move, try to explain/ help viewers understand why they act the way they did. Id like to add that almost no casters are doing this but Ive heard it a few times from lesser known casters so I thougt Id just mention it.
-Talk a little bit more about the different upsides/downsides of builds etc, why two builds who seem similar will give players different edges, it would help newer viewers a lot I feel like. For example I have friends who are really new to starcraft 2 , they actually enjoy watching it and would do so more if somebody just explained what was actually going on on a more basic level.
- Mention players twitteraccounts! I know this has been talked about before but I feel like promoting the players, giving them more exposure would be a great idea!
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Kaelaris has potential but I find him way too fake. He puts too much emphasis on pronouncing words that when he gets excited its the same as when hes mentioning basic build orders. Its hard for me to explain but the way he says things is odd.
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- Dont bash players, Players know the games much better than any of us, rather than saying theyre bad / doing a bad move, try to explain/ help viewers understand why they act the way they did. Id like to add that almost no casters are doing this but Ive heard it a few times from lesser known casters so I thougt Id just mention
Meh. Some casters are pretty good / ex-pro and totally deserve the right to bash players when they do something awful. And sometimes, players deserve it. We can't look at them at perfect gods and expect to analyse their plays.
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Artosis and Tod are the best. Kaelaris is ok and that new AM caster isn't bad either.
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On May 08 2013 21:02 Nyvis wrote:Show nested quote +- Dont bash players, Players know the games much better than any of us, rather than saying theyre bad / doing a bad move, try to explain/ help viewers understand why they act the way they did. Id like to add that almost no casters are doing this but Ive heard it a few times from lesser known casters so I thougt Id just mention Meh. Some casters are pretty good / ex-pro and totally deserve the right to bash players when they do something awful. And sometimes, players deserve it. We can't look at them at perfect gods and expect to analyse their plays.
Personally I love the level of disbelief present in Artosis' voice when a player does something totally wrong. It's priceless and adorable that he's so disappointed. At the same time, I never feel like he's bashing the players, because he only says "X played terribly" and not "X is a terrible player". I can't think of any times in SC2 where I've felt like any casters were player-bashing.
DotA, on the other hand...oh man...
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The polls in the OP don't make much sense. There is too much divergence between the leagues.
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ok reading every post everyone is like "greak kr, good eu, sry axeltoss you make na MEH and shampoo is bad"
thats 98% of this post so the poll is useless.
also i think thats the MAIN issue with MLG over NASL, not the crew not the studio not anything just the casters, bitterdam is the best thats in america for the moment so its disapointing, also day9 etc are sooo good but not used gets me frustrating.
i think because MLG is in new york ? and nasl day9 etc everyone is on the westcoast so taking MLG did destroy the chances for 98% of the american top casters
i think axslav just stop being shy and get a good humorious co caster then mlg is compareable to eu
so far i dont watched more then 1 usa day but all kr and eu ones
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I kinda agree with what everyone else is saying.
KR: Artosis is great and is doing a good job at keeping tasteless focused at the game, because if Artosis wasn't there I think we wouldn't hear tasteless say a single thing about sc2 and the game going on, just bring up some stupid "what's your favourite three fish?". And most of the time he just agrees to what artosis says about the game.
I can't really talk about EU and NA, I havent't watched that much, but I can say I would to see Incontrol. He is the funniest guy out there and with good knowledge, great voice too for casting. Him coupled with day9 (as at mlg) was awesome.
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On May 08 2013 21:41 CoR wrote:
ok reading every post everyone is like "greak kr, good eu, sry axeltoss you make na MEH and shampoo is bad"
thats 98% of this post so the poll is useless.
also i think thats the MAIN issue with MLG over NASL, not the crew not the studio not anything just the casters, bitterdam is the best thats in america for the moment so its disapointing, also day9 etc are sooo good but not used gets me frustrating.
i think because MLG is in new york ? and nasl day9 etc everyone is on the westcoast so taking MLG did destroy the chances for 98% of the american top casters
i think axslav just stop being shy and get a good humorious co caster then mlg is compareable to eu
so far i dont watched more then 1 usa day but all kr and eu ones
to be honest, i think the problem with MLG over NASL is everything. look at their failures at trying to organize anything (and i'm not only talking about WCS qualifiers; let me remind you of the unparalleled amount of stream failures/technical problems in general at MLG events, trouble with informing players correctly about their open bracket matches, etc.). then add to that all the questionable business choices they've made and i think it should be obvious why you don't really want to put something as important as WCS into MLG's hands, especially when you have NASL at your disposal in NA.
my favorite horrible business decision by MLG is still introducing Arena events, which from the start were intended to be smaller side events (compared to the big Pro Circuit events), and at the same time making the first Arena event also the first PPV-only event ever, while also announcing that there are no plans for Pro Circuit events to become PPV. they were basically saying "hey guys, we're gonna try out this new format, we've never done this before so we don't really know how well it's gonna work out, but we do know just from the structure of it it's not gonna be anywhere near as exciting as our Pro Circuit events, and it's gonna cost us a whole lot less to produce it. oh yeah, btw, you can only watch this if you pay us for it even though you never had to do that before and you still don't have to do it for our bigger and better events."
i don't know what genius came up with that idea, but i do know it's hilarious.
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I've chucked in a general 'What region has the best casting' poll to please you guys who have said you like some regions but not others.
Personally I think thats a fair point. Myself I prefer Korea to the other regions too.
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I am pretty pleased with all of them, with two slight exeptions: I don't like the overly exited, pitched voice casting of Axlav very much and the same goes basically without the pitched voice sometimes for Kaelaris, but both are not bad in any case.
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This shamtoo guy is a thousand times better than axeltoss. At least he actually plays the game.
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I got a warning because I said something bad about Khaldor in the LR thread, so I will repeat it here. I hate it every time Khaldor said my favorite player is in bad situation while he is actually not. Also I don't like his accent, every time I listen to his voice, I think he is trying very hard to bash the player.
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I recently discovered ToD's personality for the first time after catching the recent mp3 of State of the Game w/ him. I love his humor and personality.. i've since been making an active effort to catch the games he's casting. I enjoy most of the casters, I think they do a pretty good job. My favorites in WCS would be:
Artosis + ____ (tasteless or wolf both awesome duo w/ arty)
Kaleris + ToD
Khaldor + Wolf
Axslav + the red head guy (just saw him 1st time yesterday, can't remember his name).
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Can't comment on WCS KR, it's on too late.
Le ToD + kaelaris is great.
Axslav offers the best insight into decision making! He puts out the most noteworthy information.
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Tod and Kaelaris is the best, while Khaldor and Wolf are close second. Tastosis, I feel, have lost their shine. One of them doesn't really know anything about the game, which means that he will repeat same stuff every day.
Don't really know anything about NA. The one time I saw a cast by them I didn't enjoy it. I like Axslav's casting, but not the other guy's (Axeltoss?).
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Good: Artosis, ToD, Axslav, Wolf, Rotti
Mediocre: Khaldor, Kaelaris, Tasteless
Bad: rest
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I'd be really curious to see what it'd be like to have two strong analysts and Axeltoss. I've seen Axel host "talk shows" before and he's great at it. I feel like a 3-man cast with him, Axslav, and another strong analyst could be great because Axel could then probe their minds and keep the cast running smoothly.
You know, I could see Axslav, (caster X) with Axel asking questions to them being pretty darn awesome. I also want to retract my previous comment about replacing ToD in his duo with Kaelaris. Those guys are both great.
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United States4991 Posts
Yeah, ToD is doing a really good job today. For me he's probably part of the "elite" tier of casters now, also occupied by (for me) people like Tastosis, Day, etc.
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KR good
EU kael is good, tod is the best caster out there
NA never watched it, its too late for me
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KR: You know what to expect
EU: I realy like how relaxed they are and I feel they get better together with each cast they do.
NA: I didn't watch it too often but the few games I watched I got the feeling they try to hard to be super professionell.
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my feedback would be for the eu is stop Tod semi bashing kaelaris, although i do find the overall presence of kealaris far too awkward with the constant throw away comments which dont mean anything . .. . . its difficult to explain, all i know is i feel awkward for them when i listen so mute it . ..not even sure why i pressed send with this let alone just writing it
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On May 09 2013 01:27 illidanx wrote:
I got a warning because I said something bad about Khaldor in the LR thread, so I will repeat it here. I hate it every time Khaldor said my favorite player is in bad situation while he is actually not. Also I don't like his accent, every time I listen to his voice, I think he is trying very hard to bash the player.
That's called being German. It's unfortunate that the accent, even when Germans are being eloquent and pleasant, makes them sound like they're giving orders to their dog.
+ Show Spoiler +I've lived in Germany for long enough, I can recognize it in my own voice.
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Tod and kaeleris is really an amazing duo. I got no idea why Apollo is taking over for Tod in the ro16!
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On May 09 2013 06:03 StatixEx wrote:
my feedback would be for the eu is stop Tod semi bashing kaelaris, although i do find the overall presence of kealaris far too awkward with the constant throw away comments which dont mean anything . .. . . its difficult to explain, all i know is i feel awkward for them when i listen so mute it . ..not even sure why i pressed send with this let alone just writing it
Hi! I normally don't reply to posts in these threads but, I want to dispel the idea of ToD "bashing" on me that some people are throwing around. For us it's just friendly banter and I personally take it in very good spirit
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Tastosis are the golden standard
EU has a good duo.
NA: feels awful to me. Axslav knows the game but his voice annoys me and i dont think anything is going to fix that. Axeltoss has a lack of knowledge.
like someone else said...it seems surprising we ended up with both of them when there are such other amazing options. Their commentating is definitely holding back the region, more than the players, korean influx, or whatever else.
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Canada16217 Posts
Every region has good casters IMO
satisfied with the casting so far.
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I love WCS Europe, the level is high , the casters are great and entertaining and the general vibe of the EU scene is great. WCS KR is just GSL for me and WCS Na is fun, I think the casting is slightly worse but fun And not all games are great but most are!
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Really enjoying Korea and Europe, America not really. I find myself wishing Blizzard gave America to NASL.
E: Oh yay Rotterdam is on Am today ^^
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Also, how can anyone hate the King Slayer?
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Good: Artosis, Khaldor, Kaelaris, Tod
Okay: Tasteless, Wolf, Axslav
Dont like: Axeltoss, Shamtoo
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On May 08 2013 20:57 Netsky wrote:
KR
Artosis - solid as usual. The best SC2 caster there is atm. Not really much to say.
Tasteless - I wish that Tasteless would start to learn how to play Starcraft 2 so he could contribute to the actual casting of the game. When you watch Artosis cast with Apollo, or a lesser extent Wolf, they are bouncing ideas about the game back and forth of each other. When Artosis casts with Tasteless they tend to recycle the same non-game related topics over and over again ("What's your favourite RPG? etc"). His charisma and sense of humour carry him, but he could do much better.
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/signed its like this for me for a long time i really enjoy artosis but tasteless always seemed to be very off to me metagame wise he has "no idea" and often mentions plays for a map that are not suited and stuff like this, but sill he got the "plott comedian" inside like Day does and gives a "good show" and as far as they were talking about it seemed like tasteless would be playing more SC2 since Hots was realesed
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EU and KR are good. Axslav is ok and I am not a big fan of Axeltoss. Really glad Rotti is casting with Axslav today though!
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I think ToD and Kaeleris have improved as a team a lot since the start of the season. They were really awkward at first, but now that they have gone through just about all the Ro32 they have started to work really well together. I probably enjoy watching WCS EU the most casually, though WCS KR is still the best for paying attention to and learning, just because of the quality of players.
Axslav does great analysis, but has trouble with play-by-play and I'm not sure Axeltoss does the best job of picking up that slack. His solo casting was definitely a strain, but Shamtoo did well in the following games; I'd love to see him in a few more series.
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I think all the casters are doing a great job. Axslav and axeltoss are fantastic and my new favorite casting duo, and WCS Korea is fantastic as always. I usually sleep during WCS europe, but what little I've caught of it has been excellent as well. keep it up guys!
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WCS EU
ToD:
= Rookie of the year. I really love his style, the suit his accent and his knowledge which is deliverd by a dry subtle humor create an image of a russian mobster in a kind of cheesy fun way which is normally found in Guy Ritchie movies. This is of course only achieved by the great synergy with his co-caster which brings us to:
Kaelaris:
You can say what you like about him, but man that guy has a passion for this game which is almost unprecedented; those who disagree definitively didn't watch the WCS Qualifiers which he casted solo for like 10 hours straight... and in addition to his passion (and knowledge) I think he is the kind of caster who has the ability to find the connection to his co-caster whoever that might be (I don't know the correct term... intuition? instinct?... idk but ToD surely does owe his title "rookie of the year" to some extent to this)
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All the casters are really doing phenomenal! It's almost not fair to compare them because one pair is slightly preferable.
The EU team has been surprisingly amazing! It's almost the best duo next to the archon! But NA is really good too! Axslav is actually one of my absolute favorite casters! Game knowledge and understands how to create excitement! Something that is often sacrificed in favor of predicting / calling the game outcome and being critical of decisions!
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I probably had a poor first impression watching WCS Europe as I saw Tod and Kaelaris completely unable to predict the outcome of fights.
For example:
Thors and Hellbats run up a ramp which is defended by siege tanks and hellbats and a partial depot wall. "He's going to push up; he just has so much he's going to steamroll this defensive position."
Attack predictably stalls on the ramp: "There aren't enough tanks to keep him back!"
Attacker gets completely obliterated with all tanks left over (depot wall in shambles and hellbats all gone of course)...
I dunno, maybe they just don't know TvT (I don't think either plays Terran) so like I said maybe a poor first impression.
Also, this gem in a TvT: "He's down in the worker count, but don't forget he has mules!" (they were also on equal orbitals at the time).
That said the other match-ups I saw them cast were a lot more seamless, but these just stuck out in my mind.
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It's such a pity that Rotti doesn't get to cast WCS all the time. No offence to Axslav and Axeltoss, but Bitterdam outclass them, and now I'm actually enjoying it. Axslav has great ingame knowledge, but he gets a bit awkward when he runs out of things to say, so him and RotterdaM pair up well.
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Bitterdam is the best american caster combo imo, but in WCS so far Rotterdam and Axslav have been the best duo by far. Rotterdam has great comedy, light hearted anecdotes, insight in the SC2 scene, and good game knowledge, and he really makes Axslav liven up and they have this bromance thing going. Hope to see more of this!
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KR - awesome, just awesome.
EU - it's ok, could've been better though. I would love if they had Apollo.
NA - I gave them another chance, but I just can't listen it.
Axeltoss is just a bad caster who don't understand the game at all and not even entertaining like Wheat or TB.
Axslav at least understands the game, but very painful to listen to. Maybe he's a nice guy and I have nothing against him, but he shouldn't be the caster.
That other guy, Shamtoo (maybe I spelt it wrong)... bad. I like Rotti's casting, but he's so much better when casting something less official, like HSC.
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