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On April 19 2013 04:48 orangeorange wrote:
Physics is a boosted account - he has a booster play both GM ladder games and clanwars for him. The booster uses a production tab hack but does not maphack, so the replays generally look fine (it's just that he always seems lucky in countering builds). Source: I know the guy who boosts his account and I've been following this situation for some time wondering when it would come to light.
Very, very easy way to prove this for yourself:
Tell physics to send you the replays from the games he played on stream yesterday (where he went 0-8), or any other games where you KNOW 100% that it's him. This would exclude clanwar reps where he all-killed, GM ladder games that are on replay sites like drop.sc, etc.
Compare the two batches of replays in SC2gears. They will be nothing alike.
The booster has good mechanics, but his apm is much lower (200-250 or so). The guy who you know as physics has different hotkeys and much higher apm (300-400+, because he spams a lot) but has much worse mechanics and is a significantly worse player overall.
There, that's it. You can even tell looking at Physics' match history on battlenet. Whenever he's on one of his insane ladder winstreaks, or playing a clanwar game, his apm will be in the 200's. Whenever it's him playing as himself, it will be in the 400's. The pattern will match up 100%.
If you want to discuss further, PM me.
you remind me of lelouch
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On April 23 2013 01:51 Aerisky wrote:
Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one.
You're gonna be disappointed
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On April 23 2013 02:01 NMxhendralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:51 Aerisky wrote:
Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one. You're gonna be disappointed
Even though it seems pretty obvious at this point that this guy is a hacker, I dont think he'll be disappointing by believing in innocence until proven otherwise.
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On April 23 2013 02:02 Bonkarooni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 02:01 NMxhendralisk wrote:On April 23 2013 01:51 Aerisky wrote:
Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one. You're gonna be disappointed Even though it seems pretty obvious at this point that this guy is a hacker, I dont think he'll be disappointing by believing in innocence until proven otherwise.
Sorry, I didn't really use the best word there. I mean, no reason to respect or be touched by physicslee is all
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On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
ok i'll explain, me cheat no no no ok ? i use different hotkey from different builds to build which one might be faster might not fast. please stop i will try to stream my 1v1. in wcs admin watch me play game root catz very very mad. have a nice day people.
Don't even try son. The cats out of the bag, ya donezo. The hotkeys of the games I have vs you are 100% different from the hotkeys the other person playing on your account has. You don't even TRY to spam the same hotkeys like he does. Yea yea, I sometimes switch hotkeys a little myself, but you're using two different complete sets. Ez
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Drama over noname pub guy. And i hate that fake attitude of OP like "I'm nice guy". There is no nice guys in the internet.
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On April 23 2013 01:50 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks If you are so confident, stream some 1v1 again and show us that you are really capable of playing at that level and with those different hotkeys. But we all already know this won't happen because you are guilty of what you are accused of and your last attempt to clear your name with a 1v1 stream went terrible. Based on your play during stream, we know you are not the person who got to GM. Give a way to verify that it is you playing (with old iMP manager, or w.e) and then play. Easiest way to show you are innocent beyond any doubt is to prove that. As it stands we have replays and replays (as posted in this and the reddit thread) of you not only not being on that level, but the person who is playing the account for you is using a production tab hack so that they can counter anything their opponent does. Your team and former teams have all said this has been a problem and occurred in the past.
He has a hand cam when streaming 2v2 (same hotkeys as the real physicslee aka not the 1v1er). So, having that on would be a start for identity confirmation.
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On April 23 2013 02:10 BlazingFear wrote:
Drama over noname pub guy. And i hate that fake attitude of OP like "I'm nice guy". There is no nice guys in the internet.
Actually marine is a really nice guy. :/
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On April 23 2013 02:10 BlazingFear wrote:
Drama over noname pub guy. And i hate that fake attitude of OP like "I'm nice guy". There is no nice guys in the internet.
I hate generic cynicism on the internet sometimes >.<
That said, I feel sorry for marine, and I have no sympathy for physics. Kind of lame.
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On April 23 2013 02:10 BlazingFear wrote:
Drama over noname pub guy. And i hate that fake attitude of OP like "I'm nice guy". There is no nice guys in the internet.
Lol what...where did this come from?
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On April 23 2013 01:51 Aerisky wrote:
Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one.
I posted a replay here, nothing much more to say. This guy is not just maphacking he is doing it so obvious that there isnt even a single doubt he is a hacker.
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On April 23 2013 02:05 NMxhendralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 02:02 Bonkarooni wrote:On April 23 2013 02:01 NMxhendralisk wrote:On April 23 2013 01:51 Aerisky wrote:
Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one. You're gonna be disappointed Even though it seems pretty obvious at this point that this guy is a hacker, I dont think he'll be disappointing by believing in innocence until proven otherwise. Sorry, I didn't really use the best word there. I mean, no reason to respect or be touched by physicslee is all
I was referring to the OP. If Lee is revealed to have cheated or whatever, let him face the full consequences.
Also if anybody didn't notice, lee edited his post on the previous page.
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Best of luck from Fallacy Management, Marine. Let me know if there is something I can do to help.
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On April 23 2013 02:25 Aerisky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 02:05 NMxhendralisk wrote:On April 23 2013 02:02 Bonkarooni wrote:On April 23 2013 02:01 NMxhendralisk wrote:On April 23 2013 01:51 Aerisky wrote:
Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one. You're gonna be disappointed Even though it seems pretty obvious at this point that this guy is a hacker, I dont think he'll be disappointing by believing in innocence until proven otherwise. Sorry, I didn't really use the best word there. I mean, no reason to respect or be touched by physicslee is all I was referring to the OP. If Lee is revealed to have cheated or whatever, let him face the full consequences. Also if anybody didn't notice, lee edited his post on the previous page.
So what did he say in the first place?
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LOL at physicslee posting in perfectly good english then editing it in a broken english to make it seem like he is a very innocent korean player. Nice try , nice try.
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"played sc2 since sc1"
God damn hipsters!
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On April 23 2013 01:53 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks no players use complete different hotkeys in playstyle in tour etc and then in simple fungames, i play since 1998 thats just not true, you can READ a player always out of his hotkeys ... thats how we find out accshare in broodwar leagues since 10 years ...
Not to mention the fact that his hotkeys and spamming signature in serious games just happens to match that of Dejmien...
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Just out of curiosity, is there any link someone can provide on a breakdown of evidence? I'm sure there has to be some with the allegations going around. All I really have seen is accusations and no links to any form or proof. I see tons of people accusing him though. I remember when Spades was accused in SC2. They had replay analysis and everything with current members of Root doing the commentary. I'm just saying I'd like some definitive proof that we can look at rather than 'hearsay'.
I love CatZ. I would be pretty upset to find he lost to someone hacking in the WCS. But, really? Online qualifers? I get the advantages, but CatZ is a big part of this scene and hes thrown a lot of his life into this game to be knocked out of a tournament by a hacker. That just doesn't seem right.
I'm sure lots of CatZ fans, like myself would be very upset to find definitive proof of him losing to hackers in a qualifier for a huge tournament. I know I would use what little resources I have my disposal to help CatZ with this unfortunate scenario.
Anyone??????
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On April 23 2013 03:23 Diddywhop wrote:
Just out of curiosity, is there any link someone can provide on a breakdown of evidence? I'm sure there has to be some with the allegations going around. All I really have seen is accusations and no links to any form or proof. I see tons of people accusing him though. I remember when Spades was accused in SC2. They had replay analysis and everything with current members of Root doing the commentary. I'm just saying I'd like some definitive proof that we can look at rather than 'hearsay'.
I love CatZ. I would be pretty upset to find he lost to someone hacking in the WCS. But, really? Online qualifers? I get the advantages, but CatZ is a big part of this scene and hes thrown a lot of his life into this game to be knocked out of a tournament by a hacker. That just doesn't seem right.
I'm sure lots of CatZ fans, like myself would be very upset to find definitive proof of him losing to hackers in a qualifier for a huge tournament. I know I would use what little resources I have my disposal to help CatZ with this unfortunate scenario.
Anyone??????
Um, the one in the OP. lol There are links to his 1v1 stream where he tries to prove he can play at GM, but loses horribly 0-8, there are also replays from the clan wars he played in, and other ladder games....remember this originally came up because one of the team/clan war leagues thought he was cheating and started investigating him.
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On April 23 2013 04:20 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 03:23 Diddywhop wrote:
Just out of curiosity, is there any link someone can provide on a breakdown of evidence? I'm sure there has to be some with the allegations going around. All I really have seen is accusations and no links to any form or proof. I see tons of people accusing him though. I remember when Spades was accused in SC2. They had replay analysis and everything with current members of Root doing the commentary. I'm just saying I'd like some definitive proof that we can look at rather than 'hearsay'.
I love CatZ. I would be pretty upset to find he lost to someone hacking in the WCS. But, really? Online qualifers? I get the advantages, but CatZ is a big part of this scene and hes thrown a lot of his life into this game to be knocked out of a tournament by a hacker. That just doesn't seem right.
I'm sure lots of CatZ fans, like myself would be very upset to find definitive proof of him losing to hackers in a qualifier for a huge tournament. I know I would use what little resources I have my disposal to help CatZ with this unfortunate scenario.
Anyone?????? Um, the one in the OP. lol There are links to his 1v1 stream where he tries to prove he can play at GM, but loses horribly 0-8, there are also replays from the clan wars he played in, and other ladder games....remember this originally came up because one of the team/clan war leagues thought he was cheating and started investigating him.
Not really the kind of proof I was looking for.
No, I saw those. It seems rather legitimate. I was just hoping for something a bit more up to how blatant it was with Spades. Not to mention, Spades was caught hacking before.
I don't think this proof will be enough to ruin him from competition.
Even being partial to CatZ on this matter, I've yet to see anything conclusive. Most of people with experience with the guy seems to believe he was paying for leveling by a maphacker..
Now that I think of it though. It wasn't really any more blatant with Spades, I think the camera lock was the obvious thing. I think his past rep hurt himt he most.
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