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On April 21 2013 22:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:02 Targe wrote:There is a difference between levelling an account and playing in a major online tournament/clan war etc. for a player. Lower your pitchfork. Actually, they are equal, in that they breach the TOS in the same way, for the same reason, for the same offense. Now, morally, the former is much worse than the latter.
Never said that it was ok, but obviously we're here to talk about someone playing in clan wars and tournaments, not to talk about general account levelling, it doesn't have a reason to be in this thread.
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On April 22 2013 05:43 Doodsmack wrote:
Well I sure hope Marine has kicked him from iMp by now lol.
Is Demjien (the guy who's playing on the account and hacking) currently on a team or anything? Does he play in any leagues?
He is not widely known in Polish scene. Its like I first ever heard of this guy in this thread. I doubt that he plays in any significant tournaments.
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On April 22 2013 05:08 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:56 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 04:51 SiskosGoatee wrote:On April 22 2013 04:40 Fluffboll wrote:On April 22 2013 04:38 Blargh wrote:
I'm just curious, but did this guy expect to go through a Blizzard-associated tournament using a hack (of some sort)? Surely he realized that if he made it up to the point where he had to play live that he wouldn't be able to use anything! Though, ~$1,200 is nice for just being in Code S. Cheaters/Hackers are not generally known for their intelligence, he most likely did not even think that far ahead. Please don't tell me you actually have such a rose coloured perception of the world. Protip: The smart hackers never got caught and continue to hack up to this day. Hence the word "generally". Most hackers are not clever, smart or intelligent. Of course there are smart hackers and cheaters but they are a minority amongst cheaters/hackers. that doesn't make much sense, given how hard it is to catch hackers, how productive it can be to hack, and how lenient the community is about everything there's no reason for smart people not to hack, and we'd probably never know if they do. the only thing stopping anyone is that you can't stream with it on, besides ethics.
it's a common misperception that you can't stream with hacks on. it's only ethics.
edit: if you are not stupid. then it's the possible consequences of being caught and ethics.
@fluff i think you might be a bit too naive. we know for sure that there are stupid people hacking, just look at gm / master hacker thread, but to think that this represents a majority of the hacking population is a bit of a stretch.
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On April 22 2013 05:41 blae000 wrote:
I don't understand why people go through so much trouble to hack? money? 'esports-fame'? surely no one can stretch something like this far enough to actually make a decent amount of money, if any?.. And fame.. well, qualify and show up at LAN, get owned, GL with rest of life..
I feel bad for CatZ and the others who had to play this Lee guy..
I think Spades did a pretty good job of extorting the most of his "hacking"
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I think you're handling this right, good work and good luck 
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On April 21 2013 22:19 orangeorange wrote:I can assure you I am not a booster and am not affiliated with them in any way. I'm a casual player well into a real life career who's been following the NA/EU SC2 scene for a long time and happen to know some people in it. As I stated earlier, I've known this was going on with Physics for quite a while (and many pros who hit him on ladder have suspected him of hacking for months), but I kept quiet because it was none of my business and nobody would listen to me anyway. But when 1) he does something as egregious as play in a WCS qualifier and knock out deserving players, and 2) people are actually drawing attention to him, I felt like I could contribute something. That's it. As an additional matter, Kalinov pointed out exactly who it was that has been playing on Physics' account; that's all that should matter for purposes of this thread. Account boosting generally should be a separate discussion IMO (and has been discussed before on TL).
while Lee is dumb for hacking in a tournament it all stemmed down from account levelers.
We need to stop these people and anyone affiliated with account boosters should stop as well.
They do nothing for the community and when something like this goes down they are just as responsible as others.
I like to think of them as drug dealers.
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On April 22 2013 08:23 TruthMaker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:19 orangeorange wrote:I can assure you I am not a booster and am not affiliated with them in any way. I'm a casual player well into a real life career who's been following the NA/EU SC2 scene for a long time and happen to know some people in it. As I stated earlier, I've known this was going on with Physics for quite a while (and many pros who hit him on ladder have suspected him of hacking for months), but I kept quiet because it was none of my business and nobody would listen to me anyway. But when 1) he does something as egregious as play in a WCS qualifier and knock out deserving players, and 2) people are actually drawing attention to him, I felt like I could contribute something. That's it. As an additional matter, Kalinov pointed out exactly who it was that has been playing on Physics' account; that's all that should matter for purposes of this thread. Account boosting generally should be a separate discussion IMO (and has been discussed before on TL). while Lee is dumb for hacking in a tournament it all stemmed down from account levelers. We need to stop these people and anyone affiliated with account boosters should stop as well. They do nothing for the community and when something like this goes down they are just as responsible as others. I like to think of them as drug dealers.
and just imagine how insanely easy it would be to detect if an account was possibly being leveled.
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Plz, could we just stop use the term "hacker" ? Because it's a case of cheat, not hack. From a developer point of view, see this term applied to someone that cheat in games is pretty ridiculous. He is possibly a cheater, just it.
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Sucks that this guy had the guts to go about this and get caught, and I feel for you as you seem like a respectful organization leader, taking this situation as it is brought up and speaking publicly about it.
As for PhysicsLee, it SUCKS that he took out some pros along the way, like CatZ and others. Pretty much tarnishes their dreams. ):
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On April 22 2013 09:20 megid wrote:
Plz, could we just stop use the term "hacker" ? Because it's a case of cheat, not hack. From a developer point of view, see this term applied to someone that cheat in games is pretty ridiculous. He is possibly a cheater, just it.
He's a hacker. You are not going to change the way people have been using the term for years sorry, wont happen.
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ok i'll explain, me cheat no no no ok ? i use different hotkey from different builds to build which one might be faster might not fast. please stop i will try to stream my 1v1. in wcs admin watch me play game root catz very very mad. have a nice day people.
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On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks
Could you please enlighten us regarding the reason behind why you are using multiple playstyles and different sets of hotkeys? 
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On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks
Well I can understand this.
I've used two somewhat different hotkey setups depending on the build I was using. Sometimes I want my MSC on 3, sometimes is my Probe scout. Other times I need my Colossus on that key. 2 is either occupied by Blink Stalkers, forces to defend a base from drop, High Templars or a Warp Prism. 0 is generally my Observer, but also can be my MSC or a Warp Prism.
The more I think about it, the more my hotkeys change.
The community jumps the gun really fast on stuff like this. What happened to Spades was a travesty. I watched each and every replay posted in the main thread and nothing was even remotely concerning. Unless the evidence is as clear (as it was with Daisuki) then he shouldn't have been disqualified or banned from anything. Furthermore if an MLG admin was watching... they perhaps we should rethink what is happening.
But again, if there is clear evidence he is cheating, then this is a done deal. I apologize if clear evidence has been presented and I missed it.
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On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks
With so much reply's here I think it would be better to make a bit longer post, this is to short in my opinion to even get close to unguilty.
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On April 23 2013 01:46 NerdFace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks With so much reply's here I think it would be better to make a bit longer post, this is to short in my opinion to even get close to unguilty.
The precedent isn't on him to prove he isn't guilty, it is on us to prove he is guilty. Where is the evidence beyond some hearsay and the fact that he uses different hotkeys?
EDIT: Nevermind there is a replay, going to check it out later and post again.
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On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks
If you are so confident, stream some 1v1 again and show us that you are really capable of playing at that level and with those different hotkeys. But we all already know this won't happen because you are guilty of what you are accused of and your last attempt to clear your name with a 1v1 stream went terrible.
Based on your play during stream, we know you are not the person who got to GM. Give a way to verify that it is you playing (with old iMP manager, or w.e) and then play. Easiest way to show you are innocent beyond any doubt is to prove that. As it stands we have replays and replays (as posted in this and the reddit thread) of you not only not being on that level, but the person who is playing the account for you is using a production tab hack so that they can counter anything their opponent does.
Your team and former teams have all said this has been a problem and occurred in the past.
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Much respect to you for coming out and saying this. I also believe in innocence until proven guilt, and your story is a very touching one.
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On April 23 2013 01:30 physicslee wrote:
Lol. Ok MLG Admin Was watching when i played RooT Catz his just rude Player who doesn't except losing. People who don't know me, just so many talks and rumor about me cheating w/e needs to end here. this witch hunting shit is really stupid. I'm pretty sure there's people asking me why do i use different hotkeys different play style. anybody can use different hotkey thats not what map hacking is plus i've been playing sc2 since Sc1 : BW played in cyber tourny in korea. so if you guys still wondering about me just keep it shut thanks
no players use complete different hotkeys in playstyle in tour etc and then in simple fungames, i play since 1998 thats just not true, you can READ a player always out of his hotkeys ... thats how we find out accshare in broodwar leagues since 10 years ...
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