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I can assure you I am not a booster and am not affiliated with them in any way. I'm a casual player well into a real life career who's been following the NA/EU SC2 scene for a long time and happen to know some people in it. As I stated earlier, I've known this was going on with Physics for quite a while (and many pros who hit him on ladder have suspected him of hacking for months), but I kept quiet because it was none of my business and nobody would listen to me anyway. But when 1) he does something as egregious as play in a WCS qualifier and knock out deserving players, and 2) people are actually drawing attention to him, I felt like I could contribute something. That's it.
As an additional matter, Kalinov pointed out exactly who it was that has been playing on Physics' account; that's all that should matter for purposes of this thread. Account boosting generally should be a separate discussion IMO (and has been discussed before on TL).
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I pay for MLG HD/VOD access. I pay a subscription to Catz' Twitch channel. I'm a huge fan of the GSL and have watched every match for a long time, and have had a subscription for two years. That means I have spent a couple hundred dollars supporting the SC2 tournament scene.
I hate that drama like this would work its way into a tournament that I enjoy watching and I hope that those responsible take the allegations very seriously and go to any lengths to ensure that the people who were qualifying are given every chance to qualify fairly.
I think the evidence in the thread is very compelling.
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I dont know, which one of boosters you are OrangeOrange. But its funny, that few minuts after i posted those links here you came very quickly to answer to it. And well, shit. Guys, take a look on how many posts/promotions the SC2Services guy made. It looks like we could take few replays from all NA GrandMasters and compare them in sc2gears. Probably 30% of players in GM would have same hotkeys/are boosted :D
But what can we do in that case? Those guys only take a money from that quite a interesting business, mostly they only finish the order for GM and does not care about whats happening with those ACCs (untill they coem back and pay more). You can easy find on google league of legends services etc., same as trading with items from any MMORPG game.
Only Lee is guilty here, because he wanted to much (22-0, rank1GM, clanwars, wcs) he got busted. Blizzard surely wont make anything to those boosters, since for over 10 years people were trading Diablo2 items for forum-cash on one illegal site 
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What exactly do you think orangeorange's motivation would be if he was in fact one of the boosters? Your accusations don't really make any sense.
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I responded quickly because I just woke up (I'm on the east coast USA) and I saw new posts in this thread. Look, I don't know how to prove to you I'm not a "booster", but I don't see what difference it would make for purposes of the thread, which is about PhysicsLee. Note that I didn't link anywhere and didn't even name any of the players before Kalinov did, I simply said what the situation was.
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On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won. yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there. Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.
Yes, there were lots of evidence. All the evidences were not solid at all, and didn't do anything to prove his guilt. Only things it was doing were making a player in WCS, who is not proven guilty, look bad and uprise a giant scandal on a player, a team, and to a tournament.
Stop this useless debate. I bet more then half of you guys never seen him play, didn't even watch the replay, and doesn't know that guy. Of course, catz is saying that physics hacked. He lost to him. He is just an unprofessional d****, who can't accept his lose, and if this scandal happened to anyone in the tournament that happened to get far, everyone would have been saying something was fishy.
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On April 21 2013 23:10 Im_hell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won. yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there. Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented. Yes, there were lots of evidence. All the evidences were not solid at all, and didn't do anything to prove his guilt. Only things it was doing were making a player in WCS, who is not proven guilty, look bad and uprise a giant scandal on a player, a team, and to a tournament. Stop this useless debate. I bet more then half of you guys never seen him play, didn't even watch the replay, and doesn't know that guy. Of course, catz is saying that physics hacked. He lost to him. He is just an unprofessional d****, who can't accept his lose, and if this scandal happened to anyone in the tournament that happened to get far, everyone would have been saying something was fishy.
I don't know who you are, but your denial is astounding. The amount of accusations and evidence to back that reddit thread was enough to make people start talking about lee. We had people from xO, FXO, and other teams starting to speak up as well. Physics isn't legit, I posted his hotkeys from practice to further proof someone else's hotkey analysis about how he was sharing the account. Two different spamming signatures.
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On April 21 2013 23:10 Im_hell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won. yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there. Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented. Yes, there were lots of evidence. All the evidences were not solid at all, and didn't do anything to prove his guilt. Only things it was doing were making a player in WCS, who is not proven guilty, look bad and uprise a giant scandal on a player, a team, and to a tournament. Stop this useless debate. I bet more then half of you guys never seen him play, didn't even watch the replay, and doesn't know that guy. Of course, catz is saying that physics hacked. He lost to him. He is just an unprofessional d****, who can't accept his lose, and if this scandal happened to anyone in the tournament that happened to get far, everyone would have been saying something was fishy.
Listen up son. Your boy PhysicsLee tried to stream legit 1v1 and got demolished 0-8 and then turned off stream. We have, in this thread, substantial evidence of account sharing/hacking. Are you even reading the evidence in this thread. You call CatZ an "unprofessional d****" but how do you think CatZ feels getting KO from WCS by a highly suspicious player?
ALSO! DuSter, one of the people Physics' played in WCS yesterday, said he got deSync drophacked by Physics in a 20 minute WCS match. WTF? Physics drophacking in WCS match now? Another accusation against Physics....
The Reddit thread started with some good evidence to start taking a serious look at PhysicsLee. The thread was beginning to reveal more evidence UNTIL! it was closed by Reddit admin. It was a bullshit move by the admin because, as everyone now knows, there is overwhelming evidences and accusations against this player! Teamliquid admins have allowed this thread to go on thankfully, even with people trying to downplay this situation. Again, Reddit has done a disservice to the community by helping to coverup this situation while TeamLiquid has helped to bring this situation to the attention of SERIOUS GAMERS who are competing in a very prominent online tournament. Thankyou TL and shame on Reddit for closing the thread after a mere 2 hours when we just started to get the facts coming in...
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On April 22 2013 03:35 TricksAre4Figs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:10 Im_hell wrote:On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won. yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there. Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented. Yes, there were lots of evidence. All the evidences were not solid at all, and didn't do anything to prove his guilt. Only things it was doing were making a player in WCS, who is not proven guilty, look bad and uprise a giant scandal on a player, a team, and to a tournament. Stop this useless debate. I bet more then half of you guys never seen him play, didn't even watch the replay, and doesn't know that guy. Of course, catz is saying that physics hacked. He lost to him. He is just an unprofessional d****, who can't accept his lose, and if this scandal happened to anyone in the tournament that happened to get far, everyone would have been saying something was fishy. Listen up son. Your boy PhysicsLee tried to stream legit 1v1 and got demolished 0-8 and then turned off stream. We have, in this thread, substantial evidence of account sharing/hacking. Are you even reading the evidence in this thread. You call CatZ an "unprofessional d****" but how do you think CatZ feels getting KO from WCS by a highly suspicious player? ALSO! DuSter, one of the people Physics' played in WCS yesterday, said he got deSync drophacked by Physics in a 20 minute WCS match. WTF? Physics drophacking in WCS match now? Another accusation against Physics.... The Reddit thread started with some good evidence to start taking a serious look at PhysicsLee. The thread was beginning to reveal more evidence UNTIL! it was closed by Reddit admin. It was a bullshit move by the admin because, as everyone now knows, there is overwhelming evidences and accusations against this player! Teamliquid admins have allowed this thread to go on thankfully, even with people trying to downplay this situation. Again, Reddit has done a disservice to the community by helping to coverup this situation while TeamLiquid has helped to bring this situation to the attention of SERIOUS GAMERS who are competing in a very prominent online tournament. Thankyou TL and shame on Reddit for closing the thread after a mere 2 hours when we just started to get the facts coming in...
A serious +1 to this post. And +2 to the TL admins for not immediately closing down this thread. If reddit would have kept that thread up, physics probably wouldn't have even bothered participating in the WCS, and if he did, then anyone who saw him (thanks to the reddit thread staying up) would have instantly reported that clown.
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On April 21 2013 22:43 Purple Haze wrote:
What exactly do you think orangeorange's motivation would be if he was in fact one of the boosters? Your accusations don't really make any sense.
One motivation could be that he wants more of the booster business/money. Or he doesn't want boosters to become associated with cheating, which might cut into their business. Just sayin. At the very least, it would be strange for orange to know all this shit about who the boosters are, but not actually know them himself.
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How is this guy have so much evidence against him and still nothing towards him has happened, and why was he even allowed into anything tournament wise without a investigation. No one can go on a winning streak as he did and be so in the dark about it. Its stupid how blizzard allows all this to happen when they see all the proof but they just decide to wait ill the last moment.
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I used to play with INNPhysics (physicslee). He was kicked off our team after we reviewed replays after he nearly lost to one of our plat members as a Grand-master player. He clearly map hacked in every single one of the replays we reviewed. Damn shame I didn't report this earlier to the forums. Kid deserves the fullest of punishments.
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well since hacking and account boosting is so frequent these days, I think Blizzard should outsource or inhouse an Anti-Cheat system for players during online qualifiers, where players can link their blizzard accounts to their anti cheat system account for custom games, and also where players can sign in for their matches and what not. Have the anti cheat monitor IP address, so lets say that if your originally playing in then United States, you wont have an IP address from China or somewhere. That also the anti-cheat system takes screen shots of your screens randomly and uploads those photos to the blizzard database and that the anti cheat monitor your processes to spot for malicious activities. and also have replays upload to the Blizzard or third party organizer automatically, so that players cannot modify their replays to show that they arent hacking.
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On April 22 2013 03:50 WaK_Boom_Headshot wrote:
How is this guy have so much evidence against him and still nothing towards him has happened, and why was he even allowed into anything tournament wise without a investigation. No one can go on a winning streak as he did and be so in the dark about it. Its stupid how blizzard allows all this to happen when they see all the proof but they just decide to wait ill the last moment.
Because he doesn't look in FoW like a complete idiot and tries hard to hide the fact that he know something is happening until the last moment. Looking at his mechanics he is quite bad, additionally he has some of the worst scouting I have ever seen and yet always manages to use the right compositions and reacts to drops and hidden tech instantly, never taking any serious damage. When you have such bad scouting but are never, or rarely, found out of position for anything then it's a big tell of MH. The problem is that the private and good map hacks that have lots of features like production tabs, etc. are all undetectable by Warden, because they are overlays and do not write anything into the game memory, thus getting actual proof is extremely difficult on the software side and we rely on replay analysis.
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On April 22 2013 04:04 lethal111 wrote:
well since hacking and account boosting is so frequent these days, I think Blizzard should outsource or inhouse an Anti-Cheat system for players during online qualifiers, where players can link their blizzard accounts to their anti cheat system account for custom games, and also where players can sign in for their matches and what not. Have the anti cheat monitor IP address, so lets say that if your originally playing in then United States, you wont have an IP address from China or somewhere. That also the anti-cheat system takes screen shots of your screens randomly and uploads those photos to the blizzard database and that the anti cheat monitor your processes to spot for malicious activities. and also have replays upload to the Blizzard or third party organizer automatically, so that players cannot modify their replays to show that they arent hacking.
wait.. you want blizzard to spend more money on a game that doesnt really bring in extra revenue?
ha! last i heard they had "a" guy working on an anti-hack.
Thats as much as theyre going to give us.
i bet its an intern/new guy trying to make a extra impression on his superiors.
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At least the doofus has finally been D/Q'd. Too bad this won't spark blizzard to be more cautious about hacks Zzz.
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Do we know why though? Will there be any re-games?
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On April 22 2013 04:30 Dr.Sin wrote:
Do we know why though? Will there be any re-games?
There will most likely not be any re-games, there seldom are when cheaters are discovered in any sport,
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I played against INNphysics about 8months ago (i dont remember exactly). I went for an 8pool and he went 10p. But he left his lings in his base without any scouting info at all which clearly indicates some kind of hack.
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