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On July 14 2013 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match. What? Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match.
Read context please...
When SKT doesn't make playoffs, saying "Rain didn't win games like Boxer wanted him to" is simply shifting blame.
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On July 14 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match. What? Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match. Read context please... When SKT doesn't make playoffs, saying "Rain didn't win games like Boxer wanted him to" is simply shifting blame.
There's quite a bit of blame to go around. A team loses a game. I'd argue that everyone has some blame.
Head coach makes decision. That decision has pros and cons.
Players win or lose games. That has an impact. But ultimately though, I'd say that it's hard to find a particular individual that should get all of it dumped on them. What was the point of throwing this interview up anyway? It's pretty clear that BoxeR isn't Coach Park or any of the other established KeSPA coaches since he's just so new at the post.
One thing all you SC2 fans who don't root for KHAN should remember is that at least your coach doesn't have weird tendencies to bench her top players and throw some randoms out. 
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skt should have kept coach park :$
if oov comes back, I can see him and boxer having a much better dynamic than boxer alone
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Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach.
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On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach.
I think that's a pretty absurd criteria you're asking for there.
I didn't know you lived in the Slayers house and now also live with the SKT guys!? Holy shit man, what was that like? Pretty epic?
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On July 14 2013 16:28 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match. What? Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match. Read context please... When SKT doesn't make playoffs, saying "Rain didn't win games like Boxer wanted him to" is simply shifting blame. One thing all you SC2 fans who don't root for KHAN should remember is that at least your coach doesn't have weird tendencies to bench her top players and throw some randoms out.
Au contraire, sc2 fans have since some interesting coaching decisions from Coach Hirai.
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Boxer is a media personality, good value in terms of publicity, but without a competent coaching staff he´s helpless. The best athletes are rarely the best coaches. I just hope SKT reacts properly.
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Wow Bisu Rank 1 GM, that sounds really good I hope he can start showing results in PL again. Boxer seems like he really needs help with coaching and managing the team, 4th this season is a disappointing result considering the talent in SKT1. I hope he's learnt from this season and next season will be far better.
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On July 21 2013 01:19 Khai wrote:
Wow Bisu Rank 1 GM, that sounds really good I hope he can start showing results in PL again. Boxer seems like he really needs help with coaching and managing the team, 4th this season is a disappointing result considering the talent in SKT1. I hope he's learnt from this season and next season will be far better.
Well, do be fair, they narrowly fell to STX twice in the ace match, due to STX's superace in Innovation. So far, SKT has put up a better fight against STX than KT has, though KT can still turn it around.
It's strange how quickly Boxer's standing in the community has fallen recently. Yeah, SKT didn't do as well as people had hoped, but it happens. There are a lot of factors involved, and many are outside Boxer's control. We shouldn't be questioning his coaching ability just yet, especially since he hasn't made an huge coaching blunders.
Hell, some people (thankfully not many though) were even speculating that Boxer would have asked Fantasy to throw his OSL match against Rain! Seriously? People are starting to suspect Slayers motherfucking Boxer to be matchfixing? Damn community, damn.
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Boxer, same story as Wayne Gretzky.
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On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach.
It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.
"Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL championship?" or "I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship as the only coach." Actually SlayerS won two teamcups back in the day. Also, how many teams that actually succeed have one coach?
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sKT has done pretty well in pro league. They have narrowly lost against STX two times. In comparison to that kt rollster got rolled. I dont see the boxer criticism really skt seems consistently to be one of the stronger teams.
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On July 21 2013 02:51 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. "Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL championship?" or "I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship as the only coach." Actually SlayerS won two teamcups back in the day. Also, how many teams that actually succeed have one coach?
I still think Boxer did a great job at SlayerS, although I didn't live in their house of course.
He managed to develop some of their players (as far as I remember nearly all of them were amateurs before joining SlayerS) into total monsters. MMA was probably the world's best player for some time, and guys like Ryung, Alicia and others also performed exceptionally well while being on SlayerS.
Being a player and a coach at the same time, this was maybe too much for Boxer and he forgot about the humanly part of coaching a team. But I'm pretty sure NO player at SlayerS could honestly claim that he did nothing for them.
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On July 21 2013 03:28 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 02:51 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. "Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL championship?" or "I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship as the only coach." Actually SlayerS won two teamcups back in the day. Also, how many teams that actually succeed have one coach? I still think Boxer did a great job at SlayerS, although I didn't live in their house of course. He managed to develop some of their players (as far as I remember nearly all of them were amateurs before joining SlayerS) into total monsters. MMA was probably the world's best player for some time, and guys like Ryung, Alicia and others also performed exceptionally well while being on SlayerS. Being a player and a coach at the same time, this was maybe too much for Boxer and he forgot about the humanly part of coaching a team. But I'm pretty sure NO player at SlayerS could honestly claim that he did nothing for them.
I thought one of the big issues of the whole SlayerS debacle was that Boxer had little involvement in actual day-to-day training.
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