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On March 19 2013 17:52 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 17:12 teddyoojo wrote:
it pretty much comes down to whether egtl is willing to completly commit to proleague or not. meaning cut out streaming sessions, get more players in korea (practice partners and main terrans) and cutting international tournaments.
just my feeling ~~ I feel somewhat the same. Understandably, Korea isn't exactly TL and EG's prime market. I doubt they're willing to invest (and not just monetarily) what is needed to be successful.
I'd agree, were it not for the fact that they just invested in a great manager, which I personally would suppose was for the sake of being more successful! ;D
I would guess that they're fine financially even with larger financial and time investments, otherwise they wouldn't bother paying for a dedicated, serious and probably seriously expensive coach, surely!
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On March 19 2013 18:13 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 17:52 Brett wrote:On March 19 2013 17:12 teddyoojo wrote:
it pretty much comes down to whether egtl is willing to completly commit to proleague or not. meaning cut out streaming sessions, get more players in korea (practice partners and main terrans) and cutting international tournaments.
just my feeling ~~ I feel somewhat the same. Understandably, Korea isn't exactly TL and EG's prime market. I doubt they're willing to invest (and not just monetarily) what is needed to be successful. I'd agree, were it not for the fact that they just invested in a great manager, which I personally would suppose was for the sake of being more successful! ;D I would guess that they're fine financially even with larger financial and time investments, otherwise they wouldn't bother paying for a dedicated, serious and probably seriously expensive coach, surely!
Yeah artosis said that head coaches (and especially one like coach park) are not cheap at all. He said their very expensive and for EG to make the investment shows they are trying to do good in proleague. I wish Artosis had thrown out a number for how much a head coach makes but he said they weren't cheap at all and I don't see EG investing into one, especially one of parks caliber (who I imagine would request a lot more then others due to how successful he is) just because they can.
Sounds like EG does want to do well and I hope they do 
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On March 19 2013 17:52 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 17:12 teddyoojo wrote:
it pretty much comes down to whether egtl is willing to completly commit to proleague or not. meaning cut out streaming sessions, get more players in korea (practice partners and main terrans) and cutting international tournaments.
just my feeling ~~ I feel somewhat the same. Understandably, Korea isn't exactly TL and EG's prime market. I doubt they're willing to invest (and not just monetarily) what is needed to be successful.
But then why join in the first place tough. This whole EG-TL in Proleague just feels like a marketing stunt tbh.
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On March 19 2013 15:48 jhlee820 wrote:
Summary of some points:
-it's only been 10 days since Coach Park made the decision to join EG and he had been negotiating for 3 weeks prior to making the decision
-Coach Park was supposed to focus on SKT1's LoL team once the team was set up, but he wanted to stick with Starcraft and started looking for a foreign SC2 team to join, which was apparently something he always wanted to do
-He isn't surprised at all by the fact that EGTL's not doing well and attributes it to the infrastructure (no incentive for players to focus on Proleague, scheduling conflicts from foreign tournaments, required streaming sessions, not enough coaching staff, they don't have that many practice partners within the team)
-The players have the talent, but the infrastructure really hinders their performance in PL
-He's not entirely sure how to tackle the said problems, but he's trying to come up with solutions
-One of his biggest areas of focus is the players' daily schedules - he wants to make sure that the players manage their time well and follow a good schedule, get sufficient sleep, practice, etc
-Says EGTL's biggest problem is its lack of Terrans, especially because he thinks Terrans are good in HOTS
-Says foreign teams' perception of what a coach does is very different from the role of a coach in the Korean teams - foreign teams see the coach as a team manager, while Korean coaches play a more analytical role, analyzing the team and coming up with improvements. He says Alex Garfield was very impressed by his analysis of EGTL and his suggestions for improvement and has been really supporting coach Park after that.
-Also has some random comments about HOTS, mostly about the fact that he likes the Medivac boost, but thinks it'd be more interesting if there was some constraint to using it like using up energy, or making it take more damage while boosting
-EGTL's current goal is to make the playoffs, and they'll need to win 14 out of the 21 remaining games
-Thinks its difficult but doable with some luck and miracle
Thanks a lot, respect! Coach Park is spot on with the concerns and problems, in my opinion. If anyone, he is the one who can turn things around!
Coach Park & EG-TL FIGHTING!
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Says EGTL's biggest problem is its lack of Terrans, especially because he thinks Terrans are good in HOTS
He have got a big point through. With Puma releashed it is just Taeja, Thorzain and Demuslim, with the latter not playing in PL.
Wonder which solution they go for? Convince Alex Garfield to do Terran talent hunting or put Taeja and Thorzain on a Brutal training course.
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On March 19 2013 19:56 Sumadin wrote:Show nested quote +Says EGTL's biggest problem is its lack of Terrans, especially because he thinks Terrans are good in HOTS He have got a big point through. With Puma releashed it is just Taeja, Thorzain and Demuslim, with the latter not playing in PL. Wonder which solution they go for? Convince Alex Garfield to do Terran talent hunting or put Taeja and Thorzain on a Brutal training course.
Taeja's performance is caused by his wrists, increasing the intensity of his training will most likely exacerbate his already terrible condition. Thorzain on the otherhand, will definitely need the bump in training. He's been performing poorly since his acquisition from EG. His pro-league performance is no better, with around 20-30% win rate.
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I only want Coach Park to do well because he has worked through so much troubles with his wife in order to achieve his goals and dreams. Maybe they can get 3rd place, I could tolerate that.
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kst 10-12 streaming time only ? thats 2 - 4 am europe time 
they will lose alot viewers if they only stream at that time but at the moment i see JYP streaming so ^^
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On March 19 2013 20:24 CoR wrote:kst 10-12 streaming time only ? thats 2 - 4 am europe time they will lose alot viewers if they only stream at that time but at the moment i see JYP streaming so ^^
Well time for some real training instead of tons of hours of streaming i am all for it.
They don't just need a miracle but also a strict schedule, something that has been lacking it seems.
If any one can do it it's coach Park. I to hope he can turn JD back in in the Beast he used to be aswell.
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On March 19 2013 15:14 feanor1 wrote:
박용운 @HeadCoachPark
@DeMusliM Hello, Nice to meet to you. I look forward to you. I hope that you would come in Korean fast.
Demuslim to Korea soon?
nah, he's obviously saying he wants Demuslim to have a child with a Korean chick so it becomes the sickest progamer ever ;D
on the real though, this sounds really good. this guy might be able to make stuff better. and on the topic of that twitter message, park made a very sensible point in his interview in saying the team is severly lacking in terrans. that might be why he wants Demuslim to get out there so badly. if you think about it they're down to Taeja, who should be the best player on the team, but has been having wrist issues, and Thorzain who's pretty good for a foreigner, but is still a foreigner. so is Demuslim of course but he would at least add another terran practice partner and perhaps Park can mold him into a sick badass.
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On March 19 2013 15:48 jhlee820 wrote:
Summary of some points:
-it's only been 10 days since Coach Park made the decision to join EG and he had been negotiating for 3 weeks prior to making the decision
-Coach Park was supposed to focus on SKT1's LoL team once the team was set up, but he wanted to stick with Starcraft and started looking for a foreign SC2 team to join, which was apparently something he always wanted to do
-He isn't surprised at all by the fact that EGTL's not doing well and attributes it to the infrastructure (no incentive for players to focus on Proleague, scheduling conflicts from foreign tournaments, required streaming sessions, not enough coaching staff, they don't have that many practice partners within the team)
-The players have the talent, but the infrastructure really hinders their performance in PL
-He's not entirely sure how to tackle the said problems, but he's trying to come up with solutions
-One of his biggest areas of focus is the players' daily schedules - he wants to make sure that the players manage their time well and follow a good schedule, get sufficient sleep, practice, etc
-Says EGTL's biggest problem is its lack of Terrans, especially because he thinks Terrans are good in HOTS
-Says foreign teams' perception of what a coach does is very different from the role of a coach in the Korean teams - foreign teams see the coach as a team manager, while Korean coaches play a more analytical role, analyzing the team and coming up with improvements. He says Alex Garfield was very impressed by his analysis of EGTL and his suggestions for improvement and has been really supporting coach Park after that.
-Also has some random comments about HOTS, mostly about the fact that he likes the Medivac boost, but thinks it'd be more interesting if there was some constraint to using it like using up energy, or making it take more damage while boosting
-EGTL's current goal is to make the playoffs, and they'll need to win 14 out of the 21 remaining games
-Thinks its difficult but doable with some luck and miracle
As I'm looking over all these points I see nothing new that a lot of people assumed to begin with. Park is well connected. What he will do is help bring in new talent and practice partners from his long Rolodex. They won't make the playoffs but they certainly will perform better and it's not just going to be because of Park. The ship would right itself as I said earlier. The real fun will begin next season.
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On March 19 2013 20:45 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 15:14 feanor1 wrote:
박용운 @HeadCoachPark
@DeMusliM Hello, Nice to meet to you. I look forward to you. I hope that you would come in Korean fast.
Demuslim to Korea soon? so is Demuslim of course but he would at least add another terran practice partner and perhaps Park can mold him into a sick badass.
He's already a sick badass 
Seriously, if he could replicate how well he plays on stream in major tournies I think people would start to realise just how good he really is!
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Yeah, Demuslin really is a hidden gem. If that guy ever breaks out, he´ll be the best foreigner terran and could really help the team in proleague.
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i know he's great, i'm a war3 guy, but i'm talking about what matters, you know, tournament games.
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The good thing about this, if they start producing great results, maybe other teams (that lack one) will start considering hiring a coach and getting a bigger group of practise partners. Generally this would increase the level of play in non-korean events that have very heavy local lineup and make it more even in bigger events.
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On March 19 2013 21:37 Daswollvieh wrote:
Yeah, Demuslin really is a hidden gem. If that guy ever breaks out, he´ll be the best foreigner terran and could really help the team in proleague.
What makes you say that? he hasn't performed well in any tournament for a very long time and doesn't have the speed or mechanics like a player like Major or Lucifron.
Plus, I don't think there is any way to improve playing on NA server. Would be awesome to see him in Korea though.
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when will the next round start in PL?
cant wait to see if there is some effect to this great addition to the team!
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So I'm super excited about Coach Park, but I don't know if its possible. I'm keeping my expectations low so that i'm not horribly disappointed. But regardless EG-TL FIGHTING!
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i really like to see such a miracle...but it wont happen this season....lets be realistic ^^
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On March 19 2013 20:24 CoR wrote:kst 10-12 streaming time only ? thats 2 - 4 am europe time they will lose alot viewers if they only stream at that time but at the moment i see JYP streaming so ^^
You always have VOD's of the stream.
Seriously, I'd rather watch a stream of a better player who streams less than a stream of a less-skilled player who streams more. I want EGTL to do well, and if minimizing streaming is a part of the solution, then I'm all for it!
Remember, it's also a liability streaming how you play to the open public - wonder why so many players have barcode names?
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