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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
March 09 2013 00:21 GMT
#41
I love your top 5 maps because you didn't just go and pick the best 5 maps of the moment. I even like that crossfire made it to the list (even though I hate to play it) because it provided a good number of really entertaining games at the time.

Two others that I thought of for the 'extreme' category would be Calm Before the Storm, and Testbug - both maps without a real comparison.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 00:29:16
March 09 2013 00:23 GMT
#42
I don't know jack about mapmaking, but from a player/spectator perspective:


- I don't think Antiga deserves to be on the worst, even though I dislike it. Desert Oasis, Steppes, or Kulas could all take its place imo.

- I think Whirlwind should be on the extremes just for how open it is.

- Why in the world is crossfire on the list of bests, lol? Ohana imo shouldn't be an honorable mention either, it's not the worst map ever, but I can recall very few good games I've played or watched. It's just plain dull aside from aesthetics.

- What about the kespa maps? Imo, Arkanoid is the most extreme map by like a mile, lol. I've never seen anything like it. It's like Dustin Browser's wet dream. I think Bitfrost and Planet S should be on that list too. Also, where's Calm Before the Storm?

My picks for best:
5) Entombed Valley (without horizontal spawns)
4) Tal'darim Altar
3) Whirlwind
2) Daybreak
1) Cloud Kingdom

Honorable: Shakuras Plateau
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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
March 09 2013 00:25 GMT
#43
Nice writeup, gotta love cool ass ravine.
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BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
March 09 2013 00:26 GMT
#44
Metalopolis was only good because it existed during a time when maps were generally bad, and that's only when it wasn't close spawn.
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
March 09 2013 00:26 GMT
#45
What there a reason none of the KeSPa maps were included? I feel like almost all of them could fit in the most extreme maps category.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 09 2013 00:28 GMT
#46
excellent OP, interesting read
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
March 09 2013 00:30 GMT
#47
I like the inclusion of Crossfire on the best. People gave it a lot of shit for being imba, but when it was in the GSL, it always produced some of the best games we had ever seen, with almost any matchup.
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
March 09 2013 00:33 GMT
#48
Hmmm interesting sum up.

I can't really comment because I didn't know too much about a lot of the maps until recently, but Incineration Zone was SO bad, yeah. Agreed so much, that map was just....what. Same with Nerazim Crypt
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 00:34:54
March 09 2013 00:33 GMT
#49
On March 09 2013 09:30 TheAmazombie wrote:
I like the inclusion of Crossfire on the best. People gave it a lot of shit for being imba, but when it was in the GSL, it always produced some of the best games we had ever seen, with almost any matchup.


Really? That's the main reason I dislike it.

Aside from Nestea vs sC and and TvT games I don't really remember Crossfire much at all for quality games.
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Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
March 09 2013 00:36 GMT
#50
Metalopolis ! <3
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HeyImFinn
Profile Joined September 2011
United States250 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 00:41:06
March 09 2013 00:37 GMT
#51
In my honest opinion, balance is almost entirely map-based. I'd say at least...70-80% of the patched "problems" were due to either metagame or map. For example:

The tank/ mass ghost turtle style in TvZ that ultimately got Snipe nerfed into oblivion would not work very well on maps like Whirlwind. 5 rax reaper would be kind of weak on a map like Tal'Darim Altar. The current meta of CC first vs 3 hatch before gas would be kind of hard to pull off on Testbug.

EDIT: Am I the only one who liked Bel'Shir Beach?
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 09 2013 00:42 GMT
#52
On March 09 2013 08:44 TheFish7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 08:16 forsooth wrote:
Putting Antiga on the worst list while putting Daybreak on the best is absurd.


Antiga is definitely one of the worst maps, especially when you consider that the first version had gold bases and a warp-inable natural. That map should have been removed a long time ago. Daybreak is now a tournament staple.

Nice writeup, Barrin. I'm interpreting the lists to have taken into account the time that they were released as part of the judgement criteria ?

Once the kinks were worked out, Antiga ended up being one of the more balanced maps we've had in WoL. It had a tendency to follow a particular formula in each matchup, but it also ended up being one of only a few maps that didn't put any race at a big disadvantage.

Contrast that with Daybreak, which has been lucky to hit 40% TvZ ever since the queen patch last year. It's a pretty badly imbalanced map.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 09 2013 00:43 GMT
#53
On March 09 2013 08:19 blade55555 wrote:
Hm definitely disagree with some of yours (cloud kingdom being the best when imo that is an awful map ).

The awful list of maps though was pretty spot on oh man looking at those maps almost reminded me of my nightmares :D

Can't understand anyone who says Cloud Kingdom is an awful map. How would you even begin to justify that?
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States508 Posts
March 09 2013 00:45 GMT
#54
This makes me realize how all are maps are so similar to each other now.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17744 Posts
March 09 2013 00:46 GMT
#55
great thread, I agree we need more maps like those extreme maps, and maybe even try to bring some of them back
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RegardlessAyo
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1 Post
March 09 2013 00:47 GMT
#56
I'll say my opinion with video
Shakuras, Daybreak and Metalopolis
Also surprised about putting Metalopolis in Best but not in WORST (ZvP imba, TvP imba, ZvT imba)
and hey, where's best map Whirlwind ? Or we're talking about ladder? =(
Best map of whole WoL is Whirlwind (with blocked ramp on 3rd version), also Terminus was not bad map (old times)
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2033 Posts
March 09 2013 00:47 GMT
#57
Neo Arkanoid not on best map list ???
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 09 2013 00:47 GMT
#58
Yeeaaahhh.. This thread prove alone that maps were probably the worst thing in SC2 so far.
If you concider Shakuras Plateau as one of the best maps you could get, you know there's a problem somewhere.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 09 2013 00:48 GMT
#59
No Xel'naga fortress on extreme maps? first temporary watchtower and 3 player map in the GSL
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 00:49:52
March 09 2013 00:48 GMT
#60
Antiga on the worst list? I really disagree!
Yes the fourth is hard to take and often times it will not get to that point. But it's an interesting map with many possibilites from "taking the middle" to drops and expanding around the edges.
Seriously, this map makes for very interesting games.

Else I agree with the overall flow
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