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On March 01 2013 02:52 partydude89 wrote:
CRAP! come on stephano!
seriously gsl > iem easily.
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There's two ways of looking at it:
1. It's the smart thing to do. Stephano has a higher shot at winning IEM than winning GSL (I'd rather he has a better shot winning the lottery than Code S, to be frank). It's a financially sound decision that gives him a better chance for money and his team more exposure. Stephano getting Top 4 at IEM is certainly better for EG than Stephano losing 0:4 in the Up and Downs.
2. It's a slap in the face for all the players who try and try and try to get into Code A and Stephano - or other foreigners for that matter - get preferential treatment on the merit of being foreigners. If they keep dropping out they are defecating on a chance hundreds of Koreans would kill for.
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On March 01 2013 07:58 vik7 wrote:
ok, this is a little off topic, but flash qualified for code s already so he doesn't need to do up and downs correct?
correct, up and down is to qualify to code s
flash already being qualified in code s doesn't need to do up & down 
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On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL.
Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete.
On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games.
Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats?
In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
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On March 01 2013 08:05 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL. Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete. On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games. Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats? In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
We'll settle this with democracy
Poll: Which tournament is more prestigious?GSL (102) 91% Dreamhack (10) 9% 112 total votes Your vote: Which tournament is more prestigious? (Vote): GSL
(Vote): Dreamhack
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On March 01 2013 07:33 lrofd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:08 JJH777 wrote:On March 01 2013 07:05 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 07:03 MiQ wrote:On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him. lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life. Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol I will let you in on a secret: They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid. The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then. Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL. Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---> and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament.
What exactly are you trying to say? Your post makes no sense at all. MVP and Leenock have never forfeited a GSL match to play in a foreign tournament.
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Even though the man makes 96k on salary alone, he still cannot turn down the easy money.
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On March 01 2013 08:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Even though the man makes 96k on salary alone, he still cannot turn down the easy money.
Pretty much. It's funny that people argue about that stuff so much over here when he clearly doesn't care about it, lol.
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I think GSL should stop handing out seeds like this. Too often, the person voluntarily leaves. The GSL should be a commitment, and awarded to the most dedicated, passionate players, not just handed to anyone.
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How surprising... As the U&D will be WoL.
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On March 01 2013 08:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:05 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL. Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete. On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games. Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats? In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it. We'll settle this with democracy Poll: Which tournament is more prestigious?GSL (102) 91% Dreamhack (10) 9% 112 total votes Your vote: Which tournament is more prestigious? (Vote): GSL
(Vote): Dreamhack
Democracy? more like ad populum
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ROFL at the poll, really dude? On topic tho, it was the sensible and more realistic thing to do. He had no chance is GSL, knew his place and gave up the spot for an easier tourney which he can actually do good in. idk why it's so hard for foreign fans to admit that koreans are just much better at the game, reading all the silly excuses and arguments cracks me up ).
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On March 01 2013 08:13 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:33 lrofd wrote:On March 01 2013 07:08 JJH777 wrote:On March 01 2013 07:05 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 07:03 MiQ wrote:On March 01 2013 06:42 tshi wrote:On March 01 2013 06:41 MiQ wrote:
Well he just lost whatever respect I had left for him. lol! are people really like that? that dramatic? i wanna meet someone like that in real life. Whats dramatic bout losing respect? It's not like he was my idol or some shit. He's obviously playing JUST for the money and therefore appears to me like a greedy unmotivated player. You can go highfive the other eg fangirls, you guys made a big deal out of it lol I will let you in on a secret: They are all in it for the money. Even the Korean players. Even the players with more “passion” and seeking “glory” are doing it to get paid. The Korean B-teamers that have never made a dime but still put more hours in than they would have to work at a minimum wage job are in it for the money? Plenty of Koreans choose GSL over foreign tournaments even though the foreign tournaments would be easier money. Tons of great players still went to MLGs when they only had a 5k 1st place prize. Funnily enough Stephano is one of the players who dodged MLGs back then. Aw man yeah I rmb when MVP dropped out of Code S, then won a tourney overseas, then came back to seed into code S....what a prick right? he should have stayed in Korea and worked his way up. Or that time when leenock wrecked MLG from the open pools, it was so disrespectful. Wait no, I rmb everyone loved him when he crushed his way through. He then came back and went runner up in GSL. Kid, it's beautiful and fun to compete in MLG/IEM/IPL/NASL---> and WIN. Get over it, GSL isnt the only existing tournament. What exactly are you trying to say? Your post makes no sense at all. MVP and Leenock have never forfeited a GSL match to play in a foreign tournament.
Also Mvp never got any seeds in GSL, because you know, he is actualy a hard working, skilled guy, that does not need wellfare seeds.
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On March 01 2013 08:05 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL. Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete. On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games. Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats? In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
i think the difference comes from players making a living through salary vs tournament winnings, like team sports vs golf.
i'm 100% sure kespa players dont rely on winning tournaments to make a living, meanwhile i think majority of esf players/teams do.
i think it has little to do with "huge commitment" (professionals of all sports deal with this). realistically, non-korean tournaments are easier money for competitors.
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did you all expect Stephano to play code A or code S until he was sent to code B?
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Not a surprise, don't think he wouldve advanced anyway though
On March 01 2013 08:05 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL. Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete. On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games. Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats? In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it.
I can't believe this is even a discussion. This just blows my mind. You sir are the first person I've ever heard say Dreamhack was more prestigious than GSL. I don't even think you can debate it lol
I'm also going to let you in on a little secret, Stephano really close to the level of players you see in Code S every season (MKP, Leenock, DRG, Life, Symbol, even Curious, and Mvp with no wrists). Yes, he can take the occasional game off them because he is good, but he isn't on the same level as them.
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This actually saddens me for a couple reasons.
First being that I really like watching Stephano play. I'm not going to lie and say that I'm a fan of the man himself, I feel that some of his decisions and actions are questionable but I'll excuse a lot of that to his youth. From a financial standpoint this probably makes a bit more sense, but that doesn't mean that it's not shitty. It's shitty for his fans that want to see him play against the best players, it's shitty for GOM because they'll lose some of the viewers that they would have had if he played, it's shitty for all the people who try so hard to get into GSL. I imagine those people are really pissed right now. It's also really shitty because it means either he doesn't think he can win GSL (And most people do consider him to be the best foreigner, so that's a blow to the foreign community.) or that he's putting a bit of cash (Assuming he doesn't win the other tournament - Which he very well may not.) ahead of an opportunity that so many people would love to have.
Secondly that so many people seem to think it's okay to treat an organization and his fanbase that way because he personally can make a bit more money. Lets be honest, nobody and I mean NOBODY gets into eSports for the money. At least on the player side of things. :/
And Thirdly because somehow a few pages back Grubby's name got dragged through the mud and he got called a mediocre player. Grubby is easily one of the best foreign players and I have no doubt that he could be the best, and go toe to toe with the top Korean players if he truly wanted that. The difference between Grubby and other pro players? Grubby plays for fun. He doesn't play in a fantastic team environment, he goofs around when he plays, and he still plays some fantastic games against top players. If his first GSL appearance was lackluster, so what? It's that way for most people, and I say the same thing for Stephano... If his first GSL appearance was meh, it doesn't matter, if future appearances are "Mehhhhh" then it'll matter. The first one though, who cares? When you spit on an organization that has bent over backwards for you though, it's very disrespectful and unprofessional.
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On March 01 2013 08:21 vividred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:07 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 08:05 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL. Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete. On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games. Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats? In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it. We'll settle this with democracy Poll: Which tournament is more prestigious?GSL (102) 91% Dreamhack (10) 9% 112 total votes Your vote: Which tournament is more prestigious? (Vote): GSL
(Vote): Dreamhack
Democracy? more like ad populum
Tournament prestige is determined by the fans, their opinions is what makes a tournament prestigious. If everyone believed Dreamhack was the more prestigious tournament then it would be true, if no one cared about GSL then it wouldn't be the most prestigious tournament, pretty simple.
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On March 01 2013 08:21 vividred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:07 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 08:05 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 07:57 Evangelist wrote:On March 01 2013 07:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Foreigners fucking up the most prestigious tournament in the world.
Standard. I wouldn't agree. It's certainly the hardest but I wouldn't say it's the most prestigious. I'd give that honour to Dreamhack which continually puts on an amazing show with epic games and makes an effort to be truly worldwide. Code S simply is not worth it for foreigners. There are a number who could compete (Stephano, Thorzain, Naniwa, Grubby and so on) and will likely continue to compete periodically but they won't work at it for weeks and weeks in order to win one Code S. Seriously. Why would you? There's no money in it, you're in a foreign country far from home and the only reason you're doing it is to satisfy a few stupid fans on a forum who will eviscerate you if you don't win in exactly the fashion they want you to win. It's not the kind of deal I'd ever do. Especially not if I were as good at the game as Stephano is. I'd be more than happy to make a killing sniping those Koreans brave enough to fight on foreign soil. Dreamhack more prestigious than GSL? I don't think you know what prestigious means. Nobody is going to weigh a Dreamhack win, even Dreamhack Winter to any GSL. Liquid`HerO is a two time champion of the toughest Dreamhack tournament but no one uses that to say he's better than players who have won even a single GSL. Oh give it over. Code S is hard, yes, but for much of its life it was also massively weighted towards players that were already in it. It is also a massive financial commitment for foreigners in a completely different country and has made no efforts to allow itself to be more global other than extraordinarily weighted transfer schemes with MLG and occasionally allowing foreigner high level players that beat Koreans the chance to compete. On the other hand Dreamhack has had universally open qualifiers and has hosted dozens of tournaments worldwide in dozens of games. Dreamhack Summer is THE highlight of the esports year, full stop, the largest convocation of geeks and nerds worldwide collecting into an arena to celebrate their love of gaming. It has the best production values, the best hosts, the best games. Don't get me wrong. I love Code S as much as anyone but it is ultimately gated because it is so Korean centric. It is designed for a Korean to win. People say "Oh Stephano was never any good he got knocked out of Code S straight away." Well exactly how many times have we seen a great player slammed out of Code S in even more one sided games than Stephano? I watched Mvp get roach rushed two games in a row in a Code S game. I saw Gumiho get utterly destroyed by Thorzain - systematically taken apart. Are Gumiho and Mvp no longer greats? In order to compete in Code S you have to be there, all the time. Yes, the competition is intense but it is also very heavily weighted against anyone competing from outside Korea. It is a huge commitment and until it is no longer as big a commitment, it lacks the prestige people assign it. We'll settle this with democracy Poll: Which tournament is more prestigious?GSL (102) 91% Dreamhack (10) 9% 112 total votes Your vote: Which tournament is more prestigious? (Vote): GSL
(Vote): Dreamhack
Democracy? more like ad populum
Well that's sort of the definition of prestige isnt it.
Besides, dreamhack, it's a poor example. Great tournament, no doubt, but if you want to look at the money and global competition - it's WCS. If you want to look at fast paced events that allow anyone to join - MLG takes the cake.
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