EPTI started streaming in 2010, pretty much shortly after SC2 came out. There were no HD streams available back then, this is prior to people being able to afford an i7, before 22nm etc. not even a sign of Xsplit, let alone OBS. You had Flash Media Live Encoder, some kind of audio grabber/mixer and a million other things on your PC to put out something decent. Back then it was ustream, justin.tv and own3d. Own3d stepped it up massively back then and made streaming possible with really good support, the clear plan to introduce features like we see now on all streaming websites and competitive performance. Twitch rose faster in the end and own3d lost the arms race. They had many things going for them (HTML5 streams for example) but it didn't matter after all. This is a business and like most online startups you enter a competition for the one spot in the sun. They had real hopes to get everything in order and keep running so I wouldn't label them horrible people. It was not a shitty business by any means. They lost, tried to keep going but couldn't. I can only say thanks for the memories, thanks for all they did for us to help develop the scene and streams as a big part of it. All the best to them.
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
I started streaming in 2010, pretty much shortly after SC2 came out. There were no HD streams available back then, this is prior to people being able to afford an i7, before 22nm etc. not even a sign of Xsplit, let alone OBS. You had Flash Media Live Encoder, some kind of audio grabber/mixer and a million other things on your PC to put out something decent. Back then it was ustream, justin.tv and own3d. Own3d stepped it up massively back then and made streaming possible with really good support, the clear plan to introduce features like we see now on all streaming websites and competitive performance. Twitch rose faster in the end and own3d lost the arms race. They had many things going for them (HTML5 streams for example) but it didn't matter after all. This is a business and like most online startups you enter a competition for the one spot in the sun. They had real hopes to get everything in order and keep running so I wouldn't label them horrible people. It was not a shitty business by any means. They lost, tried to keep going but couldn't. I can only say thanks for the memories, thanks for all they did for us to help develop the scene and streams as a big part of it. All the best to them. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote: First of all, this is and should be sad news to everyone. I don't want to go into much detail about gamers not being paid, because I don't think that should happen, but in the real world, it also does happen which obviously is no excuse but it shows that its not always a fault of a badly run company or concept. Own3d TV was an eSports orientated company and you guys are happy it shuts down? Own3d TV means there was competition for Twitch which now you could say has an absolute monopoly which is never good. Competition means advertising, fighting for customers, growing of eSports. Even though own3d was not perfect, it was a good attempt and didn't seem to purposely screw anyone over. In my opinion this is sad news to everyone who is a gamer and wants eSport to grow Cant believe comments like that, really no though put into it. Did you ever work in any business thats build on being liquid in the real world? Payment issues arise, even for the best running companies sometimes. If own3d did struggle to begin with, don't you think they tried to pay as much as they can? Youtube is owned by Google and let me tell you, if Google wants to step in they win right away. They have the money for it, hell they could buy twitch and I think it would be a good thing. Best buy Twitch + their staff and put money into it because I think the Twitch staff is good and driven, but if Google wants to compete, Twitch will be gone I think-_- Yeah I'm a little mixed about it. On the one hand, competition is a great thing and it's better for everyone when the leaders (in this case, Twitch) are forced to push themselves to remain on top. However, Own3d was just inferior in every way. Their interface was very poor, their stream quality worse, their stream problems frequent. Own3d has a better infrastructure in Europe so I can only speak to my experiences as a US viewer, but Own3d did not impress me as a service. They were just in over their head, making promises to streamers and investors that they couldn't keep. No doubt another company will rise up to take their place, and hopefully that happens soon. | ||
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ki11z0ne
United States427 Posts
On January 26 2013 01:45 Ballack wrote: This is very bad for the scene....Hopefully someone else can take their place and give twitch some competition. I was thinking about that but... idk if it really bad for the scene | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:14 Excalibur_Z wrote: Yeah I'm a little mixed about it. On the one hand, competition is a great thing and it's better for everyone when the leaders (in this case, Twitch) are forced to push themselves to remain on top. However, Own3d was just inferior in every way. Their interface was very poor, their stream quality worse, their stream problems frequent. Own3d has a better infrastructure in Europe so I can only speak to my experiences as a US viewer, but Own3d did not impress me as a service. They were just in over their head, making promises to streamers and investors that they couldn't keep. No doubt another company will rise up to take their place, and hopefully that happens soon. Basically this, I always dreaded watching Own3d streams because their interface was clunky, unresponsive at times. Just seems so shoddy compared to Twitch. | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On January 26 2013 02:28 SLAYER29 wrote: The power of Destiny and Team Liquid. Now companies know not to fuck around with sc2 and eSports. PAY THE MAN Ironically, Destiny's report may well have ensured that he never got paid because it made the business look so weak and bad nobody would purchase Owned and eventually pay the players. This isn't to say he shouldn't have said anything, whistleblowing in these cases is really important, but by doing so he definitely brought an immediate end to any chance of him or other players getting paid. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:23 Swords wrote: Ironically, Destiny's report may well have ensured that he never got paid because it made the business look so weak and bad nobody would purchase Owned and eventually pay the players. This isn't to say he shouldn't have said anything, whistleblowing in these cases is really important, but by doing so he definitely brought an immediate end to any chance of him or other players getting paid. You're pretty naive if you think any potential investor in own3d wouldn't already know about all their financial problems. Most people here just found out about own3d's problems from the destiny post but it's been known in the LoL community forever! Just the LoL streamers were too scared to make an official post, but would always just make passing remarks about it while they streamed. This own3d stuff only came as a surprise to people who only follow sc2. It wasn't a shock to anyone outside of sc2. | ||
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Kokosaft
Germany172 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:35 Canucklehead wrote: You're pretty naive if you think any potential investor in own3d wouldn't already know about all their financial problems. Most people here just found out about own3d's problems from the destiny post but it's been known in the LoL community forever! Just the LoL streamers were too scared to make an official post, but would always just make passing remarks about it while they streamed. This own3d stuff only came as a surprise to people who only follow sc2. It wasn't a shock to anyone outside of sc2. i think he was referring to own3d's PR being completely ruined after the last two weeks... (not to say it was great, but it was way better than it is now, if we are honest) also, twitch was way smoother for me most of the time than own3d for the longest time twitch being bad in europe was only the case in the first few weeks/months (how i felt it personally, don't know about eastern Europe for example) | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:46 Kokosaft wrote: i think he was referring to own3d's PR being completely ruined after the last two weeks... (not to say it was great, but it was way better than it is now, if we are honest) PR is irrelevant because if the business was sound and solid, no investor would be scared of what some people online think. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:48 Canucklehead wrote: PR is irrelevant because if the business was sound and solid, no investor would be scared of what some people online think. Yeah cause that's what investors want to hear when purchasing a business lol | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:50 Talack wrote: Yeah cause that's what investors want to hear when purchasing a business lol The vast majority of people out there don't read TL, reddit, etc and wouldn't even know about any of this own3d stuff. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On January 25 2013 22:19 ragz_gt wrote: Not sure what kind of field you work in, but normal business pay everyone on time in full amount. Missing a payment in any amount is a giant flashing red sign that screams: Get a new job! You should spend some time in an accounts payable/receivable role. It's incredibly common for businesses to not be paid in full, or immediately upon completion of a job. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:02 Canucklehead wrote: The vast majority of people out there don't read TL, reddit, etc and wouldn't even know about any of this own3d stuff. I would claim that most people that watch stream come from the big community websites. | ||
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dextrin303
Sweden320 Posts
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TJ31
630 Posts
On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote: Youtube is owned by Google and let me tell you, if Google wants to step in they win right away. They have the money for it, hell they could buy twitch and I think it would be a good thing. Best buy Twitch + their staff and put money into it because I think the Twitch staff is good and driven, but if Google wants to compete, Twitch will be gone I think-_- Don't overestimate google. They are trying to get in to social network business for a while, but even with all their efforts and money, they can't. I mean I don't use either of the social networks, but a lot of my friends do and no one of them using google plus. Also in my opinion owned never was a real competitor to twitch anyway. Sure they had some popular streams, but overall numbers were much higher on twitch. They also had terrible UI/design and chat for the most streams, even with about 1k viewers (ForGG for example) were empty. So while I can't say "I'm glad they are gone", I can't say that I'm sad either. Not a big loss for the streaming community, esports or just anyone. Except those people who never got their money ofc. | ||
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Chemist
Austria127 Posts
Just sad for the people who streamed there. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On January 26 2013 03:46 Kokosaft wrote: i think he was referring to own3d's PR being completely ruined after the last two weeks... (not to say it was great, but it was way better than it is now, if we are honest) also, twitch was way smoother for me most of the time than own3d for the longest time twitch being bad in europe was only the case in the first few weeks/months (how i felt it personally, don't know about eastern Europe for example) Right. Obviously I don't think this was some giant secret that only Destiny knew about. However, going public with this information instantly nixed any chance of Owned surviving/being sold (even if that chance was slim in the first place) and thus ended any chance for him to get paid. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
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