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On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote:First of all, this is and should be sad news to everyone. I don't want to go into much detail about gamers not being paid, because I don't think that should happen, but in the real world, it also does happen which obviously is no excuse but it shows that its not always a fault of a badly run company or concept. Own3d TV was an eSports orientated company and you guys are happy it shuts down? Own3d TV means there was competition for Twitch which now you could say has an absolute monopoly which is never good. Competition means advertising, fighting for customers, growing of eSports. Even though own3d was not perfect, it was a good attempt and didn't seem to purposely screw anyone over. In my opinion this is sad news to everyone who is a gamer and wants eSport to grow Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 15:38 Seeker wrote:
Sigh...
Now those poor players who are owed months and months and months worth of money are never going to get paid.
Own3D you guys are horrible. I can't believe what you guys did to those gamers... Cant believe comments like that, really no though put into it. Did you ever work in any business thats build on being liquid in the real world? Payment issues arise, even for the best running companies sometimes. If own3d did struggle to begin with, don't you think they tried to pay as much as they can? Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 14:11 trGKakarot wrote:
As others have stated in this thread, the only real competition Twitch has is the looming threat of YouTube / Google stepping into a monetized streaming platform.
Twitch is unbearably laggy at times, but otherwise is reasonably a pretty good platform (minus not having streaming apps on PS3/360). Youtube is owned by Google and let me tell you, if Google wants to step in they win right away. They have the money for it, hell they could buy twitch and I think it would be a good thing. Best buy Twitch + their staff and put money into it because I think the Twitch staff is good and driven, but if Google wants to compete, Twitch will be gone I think-_-
nothing more to say !
sad news for eSport...
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On January 25 2013 15:40 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 15:38 Seeker wrote:
Sigh...
Now those poor players who are owed months and months and months worth of money are never going to get paid.
Own3D you guys are horrible. I can't believe what you guys did to those gamers... You know why Own3D kept their site online for so long despite not paying the players right? So, a few people at the very top of the company could steal all ad revenue for ~6 months. They made a killing in stolen revenue.
TBH I doubt the people at the top got much out of this venture. In most cases of bankruptcy it is simply because there is no money coming in.
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I guess we can expect huge lag problems every time EU tournament streams on twitch... 
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I guess they shoulda listened to Destiny. He does have quite a bit of power over the community.
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That's too bad, hopefully Azubu can fill the hole left by Own3d.
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This gives twitch a monopoly.. Never good, even though I didn't like Own3d. x.x
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That probably means all VODs hosted on own3D by various esports organizations would be gone... that's a huge blow to the history preservation of many games and events.
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On January 25 2013 19:16 figq wrote:
That probably means all VODs hosted on own3D by various esports organizations would be gone... that's a huge blow to the history preservation of many games and events.
hm maybe the streamers (or the community itself) could mirror the VOD´s to YT ? As long as own3d tv vods are up and running, this can be done asap or else 100 of good tournaments would rly be gone for ever 
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Its not really losing competition when everything about the company was sub par or not even worth mentioning. Twitch and every other streaming service has been better for the past two years.
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On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 15:38 Seeker wrote:
Sigh...
Now those poor players who are owed months and months and months worth of money are never going to get paid.
Own3D you guys are horrible. I can't believe what you guys did to those gamers... Cant believe comments like that, really no though put into it. Did you ever work in any business thats build on being liquid in the real world? Payment issues arise, even for the best running companies sometimes. If own3d did struggle to begin with, don't you think they tried to pay as much as they can?
So... it's alright and just nobody's fault?
Of course payment issues can arise, but you cannot drag that on and on and on and not realize that you don't have a viable concept. This problem is not new to them, I read that payment problems appeared some months ago. They should have told their freelancing employees (I mean streamers who generate views which generates ad money. without streamers there is no stream and thus no money) and try to work something out.
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On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote:
Cant believe comments like that, really no though put into it. Did you ever work in any business thats build on being liquid in the real world? Payment issues arise, even for the best running companies sometimes. If own3d did struggle to begin with, don't you think they tried to pay as much as they can?
So cause payment issues arise its fine to not pay the people that worked for it? I hope someone saids that to you once when you don't get your payment. "Well yea there were payment issues but surely you don't mind eh"
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On January 25 2013 21:21 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On January 25 2013 15:38 Seeker wrote:
Sigh...
Now those poor players who are owed months and months and months worth of money are never going to get paid.
Own3D you guys are horrible. I can't believe what you guys did to those gamers... Cant believe comments like that, really no though put into it. Did you ever work in any business thats build on being liquid in the real world? Payment issues arise, even for the best running companies sometimes. If own3d did struggle to begin with, don't you think they tried to pay as much as they can? So... it's alright and just nobody's fault? Of course payment issues can arise, but you cannot drag that on and on and on and not realize that you don't have a viable concept. This problem is not new to them, I read that payment problems appeared some months ago. They should have told their freelancing employees (I mean streamers who generate views which generates ad money. without streamers there is no stream and thus no money) and try to work something out.
If word gets out that Own3d is having issues, then everybody moves to Twitch and hope is lost for them. The way Own3d handled this situation IMO is completely justified, and they did nothing wrong. This is a frontier economy, businesses are very unstable, it's really wrong to say negative things about the executives at Own3d when all they were doing was banking their livelihood on eSports.
The situation sucks, but it is nobody's fault.
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Why people is happy? Losing competition is always bad. And now they cant ever pay back, lol. This is bad even tho ownedtv was bad.
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Ah man this sucks >_< I stream on own3d, but only cause I couldn't work out how to use twitch.
Time to learn I guess!
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On January 25 2013 21:33 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 21:21 schaf wrote:On January 25 2013 17:00 Type|NarutO wrote:On January 25 2013 15:38 Seeker wrote:
Sigh...
Now those poor players who are owed months and months and months worth of money are never going to get paid.
Own3D you guys are horrible. I can't believe what you guys did to those gamers... Cant believe comments like that, really no though put into it. Did you ever work in any business thats build on being liquid in the real world? Payment issues arise, even for the best running companies sometimes. If own3d did struggle to begin with, don't you think they tried to pay as much as they can? So... it's alright and just nobody's fault? Of course payment issues can arise, but you cannot drag that on and on and on and not realize that you don't have a viable concept. This problem is not new to them, I read that payment problems appeared some months ago. They should have told their freelancing employees (I mean streamers who generate views which generates ad money. without streamers there is no stream and thus no money) and try to work something out. If word gets out that Own3d is having issues, then everybody moves to Twitch and hope is lost for them. The way Own3d handled this situation IMO is completely justified, and they did nothing wrong. This is a frontier economy, businesses are very unstable, it's really wrong to say negative things about the executives at Own3d when all they were doing was banking their livelihood on eSports. The situation sucks, but it is nobody's fault.
No, contracting people for periods of a year or so while not having that contract backed up financially is bad business practice
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This sucks, Own3d provided less laggy streams than Twitch for me (Europe), and any esports related business failing is bad.
I hope this does not mean sponsor money is drying up.
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Never used own3d or watching any streams on it.
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I guess everyone got owned
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