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Axiom-Acer in GSTL/signs Heart and Alicia - Page 27

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-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
January 17 2013 22:30 GMT
#521
Axiom is pretty sick.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
January 17 2013 22:56 GMT
#522
Ryung's comment is so awesome.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 18 2013 03:44 GMT
#523
On January 18 2013 07:12 Treydor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 20:45 [F_]aths wrote:
On January 17 2013 10:23 Treydor wrote:
This is cool news, but am I really the only person out there that just can't stand Totalbiscuit? His bias when hes casting Crank's games bother me so much.

Isn't that a petty remark? TB has done so much for SC2 and esports and continues to do so, now you criticise a bias regarding Crank. TB choose him for a reason as the first Axiom player.

From what we know, the Axiom owners actually care about their players and have a personal relationship, too. Players are not just a resource for them. I think we should support team owners who stand behind every player.


This is funny... you seem to think somebody like TB is doing these things for e-sports out of the goodness of his heart, while others may speculate hes just trying to cash in. Either way, I am perfectly entitled to my opinion about him as an individual, caster and team owner. You cannot deny that he shows bias towards Crank in particular when he casts his game.


Yeah I'm sure TB is investing tens of thousands of dollars into a sc2 team to make money, definitely the case.

Axiom is a passion project, there is no way it doesn't operate at a loss. There's no money to be made in running a sc2 team unless you're TL and have their own store ( still probably operates at a loss ) or EG.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
January 18 2013 03:46 GMT
#524
Obviously, everyone likes money, but I've been observing TB for a while and I can confidently say that he's motivated by far more than greed. And lol @ people complaining about him being biased toward a player on HIS team... no shit he's gonna be biased. Who cares? It's not that important.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 18 2013 03:47 GMT
#525
On January 18 2013 07:12 Treydor wrote:

This is funny... you seem to think somebody like TB is doing these things for e-sports out of the goodness of his heart, while others may speculate hes just trying to cash in. Either way, I am perfectly entitled to my opinion about him as an individual, caster and team owner. You cannot deny that he shows bias towards Crank in particular when he casts his game.


And I'm perfectly entitled to call you a moron.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Sweetfrost
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden211 Posts
January 18 2013 12:53 GMT
#526
"MMAs cooking made me depressed" Best quote ever!
Before practice, we ate Kimchi soup made my MMA. His cooking has made me so depressed that I think we may lose GSTL." -Miya
Treydor
Profile Joined June 2011
United States20 Posts
January 18 2013 14:02 GMT
#527
Hey now... no need for name calling. You put yourself out there as a caster and team owner. People are entitled to their opinions about you. I simply made a comment. I understand that not every may agree with me and that fine. I guess I should clarify my main point when it comes to your bias towards Crank. I understand that because of your affiliation with him its very difficult to not show enthusiasm or excitement during his games. I just feel as a commentator games should be cast as neutral as possible.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
January 18 2013 14:07 GMT
#528
On January 18 2013 23:02 Treydor wrote:
Hey now... no need for name calling. You put yourself out there as a caster and team owner. People are entitled to their opinions about you. I simply made a comment. I understand that not every may agree with me and that fine. I guess I should clarify my main point when it comes to your bias towards Crank. I understand that because of your affiliation with him its very difficult to not show enthusiasm or excitement during his games. I just feel as a commentator games should be cast as neutral as possible.


Where is Chill´s neutral commentating when you need it? Someone?
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
January 18 2013 14:10 GMT
#529
On January 18 2013 23:07 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 23:02 Treydor wrote:
Hey now... no need for name calling. You put yourself out there as a caster and team owner. People are entitled to their opinions about you. I simply made a comment. I understand that not every may agree with me and that fine. I guess I should clarify my main point when it comes to your bias towards Crank. I understand that because of your affiliation with him its very difficult to not show enthusiasm or excitement during his games. I just feel as a commentator games should be cast as neutral as possible.


Where is Chill´s neutral commentating when you need it? Someone?



Ahh good memories hahahaha
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
January 18 2013 14:20 GMT
#530
On January 17 2013 12:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On January 17 2013 10:32 Treydor wrote:
Also, why is Crank headlining this team? I think the real headliners are MMA and Scarlett.


CranK is the captain of the team. The captain is not necessarily the ace, but the most experienced player. As an STX and SKT BW player in teamleagues as well as in a de-facto coach role in SlayerS he is clearly the most suitable for the position.

Your other criticism is merely fluff.




Well TB, Ill just make one thing clear. Crank was a B-teamer without any official record, Calling him an experienced player in team leagues is just laughable.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
January 18 2013 15:21 GMT
#531
On January 18 2013 23:10 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 23:07 Daswollvieh wrote:
On January 18 2013 23:02 Treydor wrote:
Hey now... no need for name calling. You put yourself out there as a caster and team owner. People are entitled to their opinions about you. I simply made a comment. I understand that not every may agree with me and that fine. I guess I should clarify my main point when it comes to your bias towards Crank. I understand that because of your affiliation with him its very difficult to not show enthusiasm or excitement during his games. I just feel as a commentator games should be cast as neutral as possible.


Where is Chill´s neutral commentating when you need it? Someone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDGf1G6mxQ

Ahh good memories hahahaha

oh wow i never seen that, that is awesome.
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 19 2013 03:40 GMT
#532
Well they should do great as long as they start their Koreans the whole time Scarlett will only drag them down
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Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
January 19 2013 04:09 GMT
#533
On January 19 2013 12:40 Catatonic wrote:
Well they should do great as long as they start their Koreans the whole time Scarlett will only drag them down


Ahahaha... you've got it backwards. Joke comment...
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MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
January 19 2013 04:40 GMT
#534
On January 19 2013 12:40 Catatonic wrote:
Well they should do great as long as they start their Koreans the whole time Scarlett will only drag them down


Honestly Scarlett is one of the better players in that team. I might consider Ryung better, but no one else really is better than Scarlett. I think you overrate those Koreans and you underrate Scarlett, but such are the usual things done. Miya, Crank, MMA, Alicia and Heart, they're good, but it seems obvious to me that Scarlett is a better player than them at the moment.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 05:00:25
January 19 2013 04:46 GMT
#535
On January 18 2013 23:20 mongmong wrote:

Well TB, Ill just make one thing clear. Crank was a B-teamer without any official record, Calling him an experienced player in team leagues is just laughable.


Lemme say this. He has an awful lot more experience in dealing with team coherency, coaching and management than anyone aside from SlayerS players really realize. Results do not tell that story.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 05:02:11
January 19 2013 05:01 GMT
#536
On January 19 2013 13:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 23:20 mongmong wrote:

Well TB, Ill just make one thing clear. Crank was a B-teamer without any official record, Calling him an experienced player in team leagues is just laughable.


Lemme say this. He has an awful lot more experience in dealing with team coherency, coaching and management than anyone aside from SlayerS players really realize. Results do not tell that story.

Yeah, I agree completely.

Sorry this is part of the community, dude. : (

Edit, haha, I guess the other post was edited out.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
January 19 2013 05:03 GMT
#537
wtf is with all this flack TB is getting? I honestly am happy to see this team come to fruition with this team house and now in GSTL. I couldn't name a better person than TB to run it. If you want neutral casting, you want robots casting. Artosis is a bit bias to Nestea. Should that mean he shouldn't cast his games because he's going to favor Nestea over his opponent?

I think Crank was the best choice for captain. He seems like a very responsible player that can be that go-to person the players can go to if managers are not available. Not to mention, Crank's relationship with TB could be a factor since TB sponsored Crank to MLG. All speculations of course but either way I support and can't wait to see how Axiom-Acer does in GSTL.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 05:08:53
January 19 2013 05:07 GMT
#538
On January 19 2013 14:03 .kv wrote:
wtf is with all this flack TB is getting? I honestly am happy to see this team come to fruition with this team house and now in GSTL. I couldn't name a better person than TB to run it. If you want neutral casting, you want robots casting. Artosis is a bit bias to Nestea. Should that mean he shouldn't cast his games because he's going to favor Nestea over his opponent?

I think Crank was the best choice for captain. He seems like a very responsible player that can be that go-to person the players can go to if managers are not available. Not to mention, Crank's relationship with TB could be a factor since TB sponsored Crank to MLG. All speculations of course but either way I support and can't wait to see how Axiom-Acer does in GSTL.

The most vocal parts of any community online and in real life tend to be the extreme positives and the extreme negatives. It's just a response bias on part of people who don't like him or his players. You see it with every big name player or caster to be honest. There are plenty of people with other opinions positive/negative that you don't see post so it just seems like there's a larger proportion of haters than there really is.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10331 Posts
January 19 2013 05:18 GMT
#539
LOL so with alicia and even miya/crank this isn't just Neo Classic-Slayers but just Neo SlayerS xD awesome
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 19 2013 05:23 GMT
#540
On January 19 2013 14:18 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
LOL so with alicia and even miya/crank this isn't just Neo Classic-Slayers but just Neo SlayerS xD awesome


They are only really missing Ganzi and Yughio now for it to be full Neo SlayerS. Would love to see both of them picked up by someone soon.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
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