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AstroPegnuin
Profile Joined November 2012
293 Posts
January 13 2013 01:49 GMT
#41
On January 13 2013 10:06 SinCitta wrote:
People look for petty things to wish the worst for a player's career, I don't understand why some people can be so hateful.

I don't have the impression that ClouD wanted to leave Germany, so I guess Alternate didn't want to re-sign him. He was doing better lately but that was probably too little too late. He said he wanted to return to Protoss in HotS, maybe he is luckier with it.


In my opinion it's pretty sad to see our game and community taking this direction of crucifying anyone who doesn't meet their standards of being perfectly mannered in both private interactions and public (which is more understandable.) This is what I've always loved about gaming communities, the fact that for the longest period of time it was all about just having fun and not being constrained by political correctness. Suffice to say we now are moving forward into the mainstream and although this has it's perks it also means that personalities and people such as Cloud are going to no longer be able to thrive unless they change which is a change for the worst imo as it makes things much more boring.
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
January 13 2013 02:02 GMT
#42
On January 13 2013 09:10 canikizu wrote:
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On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh


A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.

He's Terran, and noone wants foreign Terran right now.


Gogo Tfunk.
EG<3
GodZo
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy224 Posts
January 13 2013 02:07 GMT
#43
GL & HF, ClouD. Show us more GGs.
프로토스, Yellow, GdZ
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 02:28:01
January 13 2013 02:27 GMT
#44
Can't believe how many people call ClouD BM. ClouD is probably the most honest and straightforward player in the scene right now, never afraid to say what he thinks. I don't think that's BM, I think that's something we could use a lot more in the scene rather than hiding behind politically acceptable answers. You know what to expect with him which is more than can be said for a ton of people, and to me something to admire. Also, his sense of humor is great.

Hope you'll be able to put everything you've learned in Germany into practice now that you're back in Italy, and best of luck finding a new team Carlo.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
January 13 2013 02:38 GMT
#45
They think he's bm just because he said TLO is overrated and he doesen't deserves the recognition/fanbase he have. That's a legitimate opinion. But Cloud also admit that now TLO is good (compared to 6 months ago)... i remember him saying on his stream that "Dario is ok now".
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
January 13 2013 02:46 GMT
#46
I actually hope ClouD sticks with SC2. I got the feeling that he might quit the game with moving back. I really hope a good team picks him up and that he stays motivated to play the game.
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ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
January 13 2013 04:42 GMT
#47
Good luck Cloud [image loading]
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
January 13 2013 04:49 GMT
#48
While in Germany, ClouD grew in many ways, both as a gamer and as a man
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
January 13 2013 05:08 GMT
#49
On January 13 2013 13:49 SamsungStar wrote:
While in Germany, ClouD grew in many ways, both as a gamer and as a man


You could say that the experience elongated his horizons.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
January 13 2013 05:23 GMT
#50
On January 13 2013 10:25 Putty wrote:
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On January 13 2013 10:21 WardenSC wrote:
This guy's low/mid level GM in EU, and I don't think this is worth the news tbh.


Ladder means nothing, but just for information he was top16 a few times and top50 most of the time in 2012 (there was just a period in the summer when he was mind-broken and he felt down a bit). I think he's at least in the top 10 or 15 foreing terran.

When people say "low gm" they're referring to skill, not literal ladder rank. There are a good enough of top 8 people in GM NA/EU that are pretty terrible. Same in that some top 8 masters are referred to as mid masters.
Refer to my post.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
January 13 2013 05:40 GMT
#51
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.

Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
January 13 2013 07:05 GMT
#52
Why do people still care about awful foreigners who never put up results?
Chrysalis.145
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 13 2013 07:25 GMT
#53
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
January 13 2013 07:35 GMT
#54
On January 13 2013 14:40 Baum wrote:
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.

Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.

Are you Cloud? People are allowed to like him, but to deny his extensive history of BM and balance/player bashing is ignorant.
Refer to my post.
rjT.
Profile Joined May 2008
Italy295 Posts
January 13 2013 10:21 GMT
#55
I agree guys, ClouD is a bm person, last time we were sharing a hotel room he didnt't allow me to watch MLG LoL cause he wanted to watch SC matches.
Anyway i feel that right now he's just stuck in another bathroom, what's the matter? He's gonna crush another door and come out stronger
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 13 2013 10:26 GMT
#56
That's a bummer, I really enjoyed watching ClouD in the EPS.
Anyways, I hope he'll be more happy in Italy (the food is definitely better there), and I hope he does not quit sc2.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
January 13 2013 10:29 GMT
#57
On January 13 2013 16:25 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:40 Baum wrote:
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.

Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.

After he lost to TLO at HSC he typed "you play like a faggot and left the game"

yah, not bm at all. Not to mention all the balance whining and player bashing.


check your facts. that game you are referring to wasnt even a tournament. it was a random laddergame and i was way before hsc afaik
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
January 13 2013 10:31 GMT
#58
On January 13 2013 14:40 Baum wrote:
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.

Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.


I think calling him bad mannered is about as accurate as it gets.

I mean he continually insults players, the game itself and of course Blizzard employees on top of it, without ANYTHING to back up his statements. When I hear shit like "David Kim is an idiot and I or anyone would do a much better job" then all that's left to do is rolling my eyes.

There's no reason for me to respect the guy. Just because he is a progamer I do not automatically accept shitty behavior like that.

Well perhaps he'll some day realize that he won't do well with an attitude like that and actually improve on it.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 13 2013 10:37 GMT
#59
He is a talented play but his mindset is crap. I remember him back before he lost the finals against Nony for the Korea trip. You could say that being direct is good, but he comes out like a huge asshole too many times. He also had some bad racist remarks on this forum.

He is not that young anymore and i expect he will get picked up by a second tier EU team. Anyhow gl cookie monster.
I am not good with quotes
cikey
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany12 Posts
January 13 2013 10:37 GMT
#60
On January 13 2013 16:05 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Why do people still care about awful foreigners who never put up results?


Because the us scene would be dead otherwise?
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