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ClouD will leave ALTERNATE, Germany and the EPS - Page 2

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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
January 13 2013 00:37 GMT
#21
I do not get how so many sc2 players with really sub par results have the motivation to carry on. From my understanding, there is barely enough money to be made unless your the elites. Do not get me wrong, it just doesn't make financial sense how alot of players continue playing sc2 professionally without achieving results.
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
January 13 2013 00:40 GMT
#22
On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh


A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.


Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.


He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.

I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture.

Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him


You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually.

Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
January 13 2013 00:52 GMT
#23
He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron...
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
January 13 2013 00:58 GMT
#24
On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh


A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.


Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.


He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.

I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture.

Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him


You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually.

Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.


Well ToD doesn't have a team eitheer, does he? :o
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 01:02:55
January 13 2013 01:02 GMT
#25
On January 13 2013 09:58 krutopatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh


A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.


Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.


He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.

I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture.

Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him


You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually.

Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.


Well ToD doesn't have a team eitheer, does he? :o

Yeah, but ToD is transitioning to be a caster/analyser, so he doesn't need a team.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 13 2013 01:03 GMT
#26
On January 13 2013 09:24 Hider wrote:
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On January 13 2013 08:58 Thalandros wrote:
Honestly, with his BM over the months he really needs to clear that out and focus on actually playing to make it anywhere, I feel like.


Really? I think the brand value of mediocore players increases when they make "headlines". If Cloud was a quiet guy, then everybody would have forgot he even exisited.

Exactly.
Crap player + angry personality = drama = views = money
crap player + quiet = just another generic streamer.
But with top Koreans being currently unemployed, who would pick up this guy unless they want him to play for free. And then are you really a 'pro'?
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 01:05:18
January 13 2013 01:04 GMT
#27
On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh


A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.


Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.


He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.

I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture.

Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him


You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually.

Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.

I said publicly. I sometimes see them mention balance in a sentence in gsl interviews and whatnot, but they don't come onto live report threads and bitch about it.

edit - referring to koreans
Refer to my post.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
January 13 2013 01:06 GMT
#28
People look for petty things to wish the worst for a player's career, I don't understand why some people can be so hateful.

I don't have the impression that ClouD wanted to leave Germany, so I guess Alternate didn't want to re-sign him. He was doing better lately but that was probably too little too late. He said he wanted to return to Protoss in HotS, maybe he is luckier with it.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
January 13 2013 01:06 GMT
#29
On January 13 2013 10:04 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh


A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.


Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.


He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.

I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture.

Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him


You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually.

Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.

I said publicly. I sometimes see them mention balance in a sentence in gsl interviews and whatnot, but they don't come onto live report threads and bitch about it.

edit - referring to koreans


Unless you are Ryung and going apeshit >.<
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 13 2013 01:12 GMT
#30
On January 13 2013 09:52 Putty wrote:
He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron...

Karont3 seems to be a pretty credible theory, they said they would reruit new players soon, plus it's a latin team, then you say he's friend with LucifroN. Unless he signs with the italian team inFerno.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
January 13 2013 01:19 GMT
#31
Unless he signs with the italian team inFerno.


That's very unlikely. He was on InF before joining MyM and, as far as i know, Inferno is too little to provide a decent support for an international player. They are more focused on the italian scene.
WardenSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada210 Posts
January 13 2013 01:21 GMT
#32
This guy's low/mid level GM in EU, and I don't think this is worth the news tbh.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
January 13 2013 01:25 GMT
#33
On January 13 2013 10:21 WardenSC wrote:
This guy's low/mid level GM in EU, and I don't think this is worth the news tbh.


Ladder means nothing, but just for information he was top16 a few times and top50 most of the time in 2012 (there was just a period in the summer when he was mind-broken and he felt down a bit). I think he's at least in the top 10 or 15 foreing terran.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
January 13 2013 01:30 GMT
#34
Always wish him the best, my favorite foreigner terran. Really fun person, at times whiny, but saying he's very BM... Well I might've missed something, but usually he's just brutally honest, or rather says exactly what he thinks. When he says stuff like that, it doesn't really seem to me like it's coming from a bad place, that is not just to be a dick to someone.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 13 2013 01:30 GMT
#35
On January 13 2013 10:19 Putty wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unless he signs with the italian team inFerno.


That's very unlikely. He was on InF before joining MyM and, as far as i know, Inferno is too little to provide a decent support for an international player. They are more focused on the italian scene.

I guess it's unlikely indeed, I put it on the table in case. But they have a partnership with the korean team dtG, that allowed them to recruit Sickness so they are maybe a little more focused to the international that we believe. But I'm not italian so I'm not familiar at all with inFerno.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
January 13 2013 01:33 GMT
#36
cloud blog... if it's anything like his entries on TL it's gonna be an entertaining read at least! Best of luck.
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
January 13 2013 01:40 GMT
#37
Best of luck!

sounds like a huge change in his life
Nothing worth having comes easy.
NeV
Profile Joined July 2008
Italy370 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 01:44:35
January 13 2013 01:43 GMT
#38
the level of prejudice and ignorance in this thread is amazing. And this shitstorm is mostly due to the TLO incident. Fanboys are really irrational people..
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
January 13 2013 01:45 GMT
#39
Hope it turns out well for u cloud!
http://twitter.com/PiQLiQ
WardenSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada210 Posts
January 13 2013 01:46 GMT
#40
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 13 2013 10:43 NeV wrote:
the level of prejudice and ignorance in this thread is amazing. And this shitstorm is mostly due to the TLO incident. Fanboys are really irrational people..


I can't help but to point at your nationality here... lol
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