Fantasy Proleague '12-13 Round 2: All-Kill! - Page 35

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Darkaros

United States248 Posts

January 16 2013 02:32 GMT

#681

I wished I traded out anti-Jangbi for Effort last time :/. I remember seeing him pick up a couple of points but was still like, "meh, can't possibly go wrong with this!" Ya. Turns out since Stork isn't doing too well Jangbi had to pick up slack. Blehhh. Maybe Shy won't get as much play time with free getting good now? *cross fingers*

Also Team "TaeJa Take the Wheel" has been betrayed by the captain

. At least my other picks were decent enough to float to a not-bad rank.

mrbamboo

United States415 Posts

January 16 2013 03:00 GMT

#682

Going to trade Jaedong off my anti for Taeja seeing he's most likely still having wrist problem next week, and probably won't be in his top form even if he does play.

Might trade hon_sin for jaedong on main team. With Taeja injured Jaedong is likely to see more play. Although with Stephano and Revival doing well I'm not sure who'd see more play. I expect Revival Hero Stephano core with JYP/Jaedong rounding it out. No good terrans to play on EGTL as both Puma and Thorzain are relatively weak at the moment. I guess it depends on the starting line up next week.

I'm glad to see both Team 8 and Woongjin kicking ass. Woongjin was definitely by far the favorate in all kill format, I see them going 7-0 this round. Team 8 is less reliant on Cure than I expected and Baby is certainly failing pretty hard. Very surprising to see Terminator and Jaehoon doing so well.

Fenrisulf

United States325 Posts

January 16 2013 03:08 GMT

#683

God dammit Jangbi and Action. Jangbi owning me in my anti-team and Action being utterly worthless as a 6 pointer on my main team

blagoonga123

United States2068 Posts

January 16 2013 05:22 GMT

#684

I think i'm going to trade Speed for CJ.herO on my anti. He's one of only 5 I can trade Speed for at this point, and I don't think he's going to get as many points as Speed is my only criteria.

andrea20

Canada441 Posts

January 16 2013 07:28 GMT

#685

On January 16 2013 11:14 mrbamboo wrote:
I'm not too worried about the large trade value jumps so much as the low trading frequency. If we got to trade twice as often this would be manageable. We have what, 3 trade windows for 28 series of BO7. The last time we did fantasy GSTL, we had 30series of BO7 spanning 10 weeks. thats 9 trade windows. That's triple the trade opportunities for essentially the same number of games.

Look at my trades in GSTL (http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/gstl/Team.php?team=mrbamboo&r=1)
I made 17 trades netting a gain of 41 points after trade tax. That's less than 3 points gain per trade. But making consistently good decision over a long period of time helps mitigate short term risks/variance. For proleague I doubt I'd make more than 4 trades total, nearly all of which is dictated by which EGTL player will be out of town or sick. For one there is 1/3 the trade windows, for two, having a lot more matches between trade period meaning you are not angling for a specific scenario, and that risk is diluted by the other 10 matches going on this week that could make just as many FPL points and negate your gain for the trade. More frequent trades also mean that the value of each player only change a little bit each time, and you get to use that new information to make more decisions and you are not punished as severely for any single decision.

FPL always requires ~~a bit of~~ massive amounts of luck, so the number of trading windows is not of much concern. What's concerning is that most people who are in a position to win play it too safe; the number of no-trade teams in the top 100 last round was a head-scratcher. Anyone has the opportunity to control their destiny and create an upset. That team that won last round basically lucked out by KT Rolster winning by such incredible margins. Scarecrow (4th place) got +37 on 8 out of a possible 9 trades and had a very diversified team. It's always been about which $3 or $4 picks are total bargains: the theoretical best possible team without trades last round included Hon_Sin or Dear, both $3, and there are no $8+ picks even though some of them have more points. $8+ picks have historically never been good value (unless your name is Bisu, who went on a record-breaking 63-15 as a $12 pick in the last BW proleague)

The thing about trading is that people won't trade low-value picks unless they're absolutely not playing. So there wasn't really much of a reason to trade out Hydra this week. However, there was plenty of reasoning to trade into Hydra, but only 27 people took the opportunity. What's true is that the best possible team with trades nets far more points than the best possible team with no trades, even with the -9 trade tax. The people who traded for Hydra this week will hit the jackpot if they trade him for another player who will also break out, thus getting more points than a single static player ever could.

Otolia

France5805 Posts

January 16 2013 13:46 GMT

#686

If you'd like to answer to this post, I would appreciate if you would do it in my blog here.

2st Week Review

Team :

SK Telecom T1 (2p)

Things look grim for SKT, they understandably lost against the better Stars team but also failed against Samsung Khan. Their only win comes from beating STX, arguably the worse team this round. The trading possibility are gone and I'm stuck with this mediocre team for the rest of round. I have made some small mistakes in my choice before but choosing SKT over WJS was a bigger one. Next week they face CJ and Khan, it's up to them to step up. Their failure is entirely Rain's responsibility and he better step up before people view him as another 1 hit wonder like jjakji and Seed before him.

Captain : (P)

sOs (7p) - sOs didn't get that much play time this week with the all-kill of free but he is assuming the ace position right now until Soulkey gets his shit together. I expect the latter to start next week probably on Arkanoid against STX. Nonetheless sOs got me 7p which is the most of all my players, he is definitely my ace.

Players :

P7GAB (0p) - P7GAB didn't get any points this week as KT got all-kill by WJS and bitch-slapped by Team 8. The more surprising fact was that he lost a PvP against free, considering it's his best matchup by far - he is 6-1 now - it's worrisome. I normally wouldn't want to trade a player like him but he is worth a lot and I need points. Possible Trade
Bbyong (2p) - Oh Bbyong ! I thought he was the best 3pointer on CJ but Hydra has claim his spot and I doubt Bbyong will ever regain it. It's unlikely I can trade him for anyone worth mentioning in the same sentence as "competent player" so ... Whatever
Revival (2p) - Revival played and lost. He is a streaky competent player but not an ace and with I don't know how the next weeks will pan out for him. Still among the players that aren't valued that much he can hold his own. Likely Kept
s2 (2p) - He did what I expected from him : he won a game. It's a worthwhile trade though a very minor one. Opportunity Trade
Last (0p) - This was a bad trade. Light won the ace match against FanTaSy breaking his streak in the mean time. Last however lost, again, and STX is now 0-4. See now how it was a terrible trade ? I believe he could have beaten Stork but Khan Protosses resurgence got me by surprise. Like Bbyong, I don't know how I will get rid of him. He will still play from time to time... Whatever

Anti - team :

Jaedong (0p) - As predicted, Jaedong didn't play. and EG-TL lost (correlation ?) I thought about a trade to HerO but the latter got 3 Wins and might not be dead yet, however TaeJa seems to be preserved right now and with EG-TL atrocious results so far, that would be a perfect opportunity. Likely Trade
hyvaa (4p) - hyvaa is still a terrible player despite winning 2 ZvP, I thought of trading him to Hydra but thank god I didn't or I would be in the depths of hell right now. Kept
MajOr (2p) - Team 8 won twice this week carried by Argo and Cure, MajOr won't play and there is little to no reason not to accept the fact that 8th Team is better than foreseen. Kept

Blisse

Canada3710 Posts

January 16 2013 14:39 GMT

#687

On January 16 2013 16:28 andrea20 wrote:

Show nested quote +

The thing about trading is that you have to trade a player that will most likely get at least several points per week, versus an unknown that may or may not do better in the long run. I dare you to tell me that I should have traded any of my picks at that time. How do you predict free gets an all-kill? You can't, so you can't be in a position to tell people to trade then for the absolute best gain because the volatility of trading is way too high when you have a significantly strong team already.

The only time trading works well (in terms of high probability of profit) is if I see a team like STX facing KT and SKT in the first round, and go, gee, STX is going to get rolled, and then stack my anti-team with STX players, or something like, Hydra doing massively well for a low point value when I have other players like Taeja who's been underperforming due to his wrist injury.

Of course you can theoretically say, trading is a good option, but how do you expect me to justify trading away Revival for free in the middle of nowhere? I'm suppose to go, free seems like he'll all-kill KT, let's do it! The only thing I regret is not taking Jaehoon in place of Revival, because Jaehoon, Baby and Speed are the centerpieces of Team 8, which is my main team, and when sold at 2 points at the beginning of the season was hugely more profitable than any others, and tying for WJS.

Yorbon

Netherlands4272 Posts

January 16 2013 14:42 GMT

#688

lol, currently i'm ranked 187th. Never expected that :')
Hydra, jaehoon and cj are carrying my team hard.

i wish i hadn't picked taeja as captain again, though ):

figq

12519 Posts

January 16 2013 15:04 GMT

#689

First week was great for me, and the second could have been if I made the trades I planned and not pulled out in the last moment; instead I made the second week become a really mediocre one at best. Thus, I'll go full trade mode this week with:
Speed -> Jaehoon / both are fantastic picks, but usually Hoon costs more and is an ace, so he should be used a bit more /
Free -> Rain / Free did amazazazing job for me up to now, can't believe I'm in the position to trade him for the best player /
anti: HerO -> Stephano / phew, indeed, by a scratch, I'm still able to make this trade; though Stephano can destroy me too /

derpface

Sweden925 Posts

January 16 2013 15:48 GMT

#690

Does anyone know when lineups for week 3 get released?

NbSky

Canada1023 Posts

January 16 2013 15:54 GMT

#691

On January 17 2013 00:48 derpface wrote:
Does anyone know when lineups for week 3 get released?

usually later today

Deleted User 101379

4849 Posts

January 16 2013 15:57 GMT

#692

I might be #5302 but i believe in my team and even my anti-team.
I won't trade anyone.

EG-TL, Bisu, TaeJa and Stephano. I BELIEVE+ Show Spoiler +

... i lose

Kahzaar

Sweden897 Posts

January 16 2013 16:01 GMT

#693

Last weeks anti trades
SoO for Stephano: SoO scored me -8 points last week so I had to get rid of him in case he kept the form. "Only" -5 points from Stephano this week.

This weeks main trades
Bong[S.G] for Huk: Huk did well in Up- and Down matches, so maybe he'll get playtime in ProLeague. Don't see Bong playing anytime soon.
Major for BBatta: BBatta beat Stephano this time and will most likely earn me more points than Major.

HwangjaeTerran

Finland5967 Posts

January 16 2013 19:06 GMT

#694

Eh, just checked, there is no one I can trade. I'd like to trade Action, my captain, but there is no point, at least he gets to play unlike anyone I could trade him for( who can actually even win).
Anti-team I'm stuck with RorO, I was trying to risk this week to get his price lower so I could make a good trade but at this point, like week before, there is no one who'd win less.

Well hope my horses take the Winners League.

figq

12519 Posts

January 16 2013 20:02 GMT

#695

On January 17 2013 04:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I'd like to trade Action, my captain

Captains can never be traded, they stay with your team till the end.
Action is my captain too, come join the group "Captain Action" if you like.

Me, I'd trade him, if the system was allowing it (but it's not). Him and Dear let me down big time. Last round they did much better.

Poopi

France12906 Posts

January 16 2013 20:09 GMT

#696

Thinking of trading Jaedong for TaeJa in my anti-team : is he still resting his wrists? Even if he's not, I'd say he needs some time to get back in form, so it's probably the best trade I can do for anti.

About Stephano, since he doesn't go to IEM anymore, he'll be able to play in proleague I guess, so it might be a good choice not to trade him. Since he lost to a rookie he'll be hungry for kills, improving his ZvZ for real again, so as long as he plays he should do well!

LaLuSh

Sweden2358 Posts

January 16 2013 20:10 GMT

#697

51 points gained W2 is prrretttttty good no?

Ciryandor

United States3735 Posts

January 17 2013 02:10 GMT

#698

No shit LaLuSh, everyone who got +46 or more in net score is in the top 50. BTW I was +52 on main.

Current no-trade best main:
Hydra 3
Jangbi 6
Free 3
Shy 8
Speed 4
Jaehoon 4
T8 2

Total: 115

Best Anti
Jaedong
Dear
Mini
Total: -1

Net Score: +114

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

January 17 2013 02:37 GMT

#699

Interestingly, the guy with the best anti-team is #1744.
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Team.php?team=Zennith&r=13
Oh, and the guy with the best main team is #43. o_O