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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3822 Posts
January 07 2013 15:48 GMT
#141
On January 08 2013 00:44 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 00:40 JustPassingBy wrote:
On December 29 2012 06:54 Grovbolle wrote:
On December 29 2012 05:39 Salient wrote:
The GSL ratings are superior because they are limited to games between top players. You fail to account for the quality of the games with your statistics 101 class project. More sophisticated models can actually do that (and thus become more powerful), but they become necessarily more subjective. It's a price you need to pay to make the ratings meaningful. It takes a lot of work though. Your system is apparently less subjective and easier to construct, but you get what you pay for.


Please enlighten us with you vast knowledge, because obviously you are some sort of mathematical genius who can quantify subjectivity in a meaningful and objective/useful way.
Also, please define top players.

If you want subjectivity, just read power ranks plz.


With "less subjective" he probably means taking less "non-data", e.g. weights for tournaments, which make matches in big tournaments count more than online cups.

By the way, why is CombatEx appearing on the list. Did he place well in some tournaments I am not aware of?


he got 4th in WCG i believe, im not sure how that makes him appear on that list.


He took a map off PartinG who is highly ranked, and since there is very few CombatEX games in the database, the model is not sure of his skilllevel placing him relatively high because he took a map off a top-player.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3822 Posts
January 07 2013 15:48 GMT
#142
On January 08 2013 00:40 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 06:54 Grovbolle wrote:
On December 29 2012 05:39 Salient wrote:
The GSL ratings are superior because they are limited to games between top players. You fail to account for the quality of the games with your statistics 101 class project. More sophisticated models can actually do that (and thus become more powerful), but they become necessarily more subjective. It's a price you need to pay to make the ratings meaningful. It takes a lot of work though. Your system is apparently less subjective and easier to construct, but you get what you pay for.


Please enlighten us with you vast knowledge, because obviously you are some sort of mathematical genius who can quantify subjectivity in a meaningful and objective/useful way.
Also, please define top players.

If you want subjectivity, just read power ranks plz.


With "less subjective" he probably means taking less "non-data", e.g. weights for tournaments, which make matches in big tournaments count more than online cups.

By the way, why is CombatEx appearing on the list. Did he place well in some tournaments I am not aware of?


Doing that still makes the rankings more subjective and less objective.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
January 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#143
Funny how most the good vZ's are... zergs. (And Parting's immortal allin. :D)
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 07 2013 16:37 GMT
#144
On January 08 2013 00:53 speknek wrote:
Funny how most the good vZ's are... zergs. (And Parting's immortal allin. :D)

I have a pet theory about this. It strikes me that many (most?) of the great players of each race are (or were for a while) considered almost untouchable in their mirror matchups.

Jaedong, Flash, NesTea, Mvp...

I don't know if I'm seeing shadows or not.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
January 07 2013 21:04 GMT
#145
On January 08 2013 01:37 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 00:53 speknek wrote:
Funny how most the good vZ's are... zergs. (And Parting's immortal allin. :D)

I have a pet theory about this. It strikes me that many (most?) of the great players of each race are (or were for a while) considered almost untouchable in their mirror matchups.

Jaedong, Flash, NesTea, Mvp...

I don't know if I'm seeing shadows or not.

I do agree that it seems like the best mirror match players tend to be top dogs of their race in general. Even when a player like (P)BeSt was the best PvP player, he was one of the strongest all around too.
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sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
January 07 2013 23:42 GMT
#146
On January 08 2013 00:47 BisuDagger wrote:
Seeing this list reinforces my question why people call (Z)Stephano the undisputed best foreigner. I guess I don't buy into the hype and am more impressed with other foreigners more.


He has been performing a lot worst lately , that's the only reason he isn't #1, he is #4 on the TLPD Elo as well.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 07 2013 23:51 GMT
#147
CombatEX...

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