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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 06 2012 21:20 GMT
#301
Ok cool. Thank you very much, Caihead
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Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
December 06 2012 21:23 GMT
#302
On December 07 2012 05:53 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 05:16 Bareleon wrote:
On December 07 2012 04:42 PVJ wrote:
I hope Bisu regains his passion on stage, making millions of fans melting away in front of their streams


How do you know he was losing passion?


I'm sure a lot of KeSPA players lost their passion after they switched to SC2.


Please tell me where Bisu said he is losing passion.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#303
On December 07 2012 06:17 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 05:57 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I am also another person who does not know a lot about the kespa teams since i never watched pro BW. is there any way someone could give me like a general comparison to relate a kespa team to an esf team (for example, skt is like? ) or are the teams too different to do that? Im not sure who to cheer for besides EG-TL because i only know the really obvious kespa players ^^


SKT = Slayers + IM or startale, take your pick, oldest most achieving and iconic in terms of team leagues, also has star players that can go deep in individual leagues in fantasy / bisu (buy from MBC Game hero) / best.

KT = rival to SKT, take your pick of Startale / IM rivalries, or EG. Has traditionally had really great rosters and player (Nada, yellow, Nal_ra, Reach) buys but always failed to capture league wins or individual league wins (KT academy curse) until flash came through.

MBC Game Hero = (take your pick of teams that lost star players) Had alot of potential when they had both Sea, Light, and Bisu at one point, but light and bisu got bought out to other teams and they never captured another team league win again. Now defunct

Woongjin Stars = (Acer?) Strong Zergs traditionally in Zero / Soulkey and strong TvZ player light who was a buy from MBC Game Hero, they also had decent protoss' in free, their terran line is usually regarded as an in-joke because they were terrible. This is contrasted with:

Samsung Khan = (Hard to say which team has the strongest protoss' since there's only been 2 GSL protoss champions in SC2) Strong protoss' traditionally in Stork / Jangbi with good rookie terran reality, Stork and Jangbi are both strong contenders for individual leagues.

CJ Entus = (IM in team league) has extremely "deep" line up with the most consistent A level players in Leta, Skyhigh, Effort, Movie, etc who are all championship material, but never manages to pull through in team leagues. CJ also has exception zergs in Effort / Savior that has a rivalry with Woongjin for strongest individual zergs.

Hwaseung OZ = I guess TL since Taeja / hero used to carry them? Need I say more?, now defunct.

STX Soul = Take your pick of underdog team. You would be hard pressed to find fans of STX, their most consistent player now is Bogus and some promising rookies in Mini and couple of others.

WemadeFox = Used to house some notable players such as Roro, Mind, Rock and is one of the older teams, but is now defunct.

Airforce Ace = There isn't a comparable example. Special team for retiring players and people going through the military term requirements in Korea, made by boxer. Hosted alot of past famous players like Iris, Midas, firebathero, etc. Now defunct.

Team 8 = Used to be the dream team and now all hopes are gone, so I guess slayers in SC2 up to dissolving? The merger between all the star players from WemadeFox, MBCGame Hero, and Hwaseung OZ. Had Sea / Jaedong / Baby / Jaehoon. But now is in dire straits.

Usually the team leagues are tiered off like this:

SKT / KT + CJ = tier 1 / 1.5
Khan / Stars = tier 2
Hero / OZ / Soul / Fox = tier 2.5
Airforce Ace = tier 3 but everyone loves ace.

and team 8 i dont even know.

Quoting this cuz it seems unfortunate for such a nice post to get buried at the bottom of a page.

Also tiny caveat that we (CJ) totally won last season. :D But yeah your point still very much stands. And I agree with much of this!
Powerfoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
December 06 2012 21:26 GMT
#304
On December 07 2012 06:23 Bareleon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 05:53 zyzq wrote:
On December 07 2012 05:16 Bareleon wrote:
On December 07 2012 04:42 PVJ wrote:
I hope Bisu regains his passion on stage, making millions of fans melting away in front of their streams


How do you know he was losing passion?


I'm sure a lot of KeSPA players lost their passion after they switched to SC2.


Please tell me where Bisu said he is losing passion.


When a player is losing his passion, generally he won't go out of his way to tell everyone...
NOW YOU SEE?
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
December 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#305
Should put huk vs a terran. He seemed on point PvT at IPL5
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
December 06 2012 21:29 GMT
#306
On December 07 2012 06:27 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
Should put huk vs a terran. He seemed on point PvT at IPL5


The picks are made by both teams blind, as in they cant see what the other team's line up until both are revealed. Proleague match ups making and map analysis is one of the trade marks of the BW league, alot of mind games goes into it.
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URLateral
Profile Joined October 2012
275 Posts
December 06 2012 21:43 GMT
#307
Thorzain over sea....I feel like this EG coach is a bit bias....lol
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18625 Posts
December 06 2012 21:57 GMT
#308
Team 8's roster looks horrible now without Jaedong... :/
King_law1992
Profile Joined December 2011
United States47 Posts
December 06 2012 22:54 GMT
#309
This will be great a lot of great match ups.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 06 2012 23:02 GMT
#310
The coaches seem to be convinced that Arkanoid is a Terran map, we have 7 T and 1 Z sent out on it.

Other than that there's a real lack of mirror matchups, which is a problem PL used to have. Lots and lots of mirrors in the most recent PL seasons, we'll see how it develops.
Zebrapudding
Profile Joined March 2011
United States66 Posts
December 06 2012 23:04 GMT
#311
Give us fantasy proleague!
HuK, TLO, Grubby, MKP, Soulkey fighting!
unix04
Profile Joined November 2011
United States89 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 23:07:46
December 06 2012 23:07 GMT
#312
If you romanize the Korean pronunciation of bifrost... it sounds like beef roast lol... sorry that was random. Go go proleague!
i am the captain of my fate, the master of my soul
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
December 06 2012 23:16 GMT
#313
OMG SlayerS Miso playing for KT, congrats to him for joining!!!
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
December 06 2012 23:21 GMT
#314
I'm so excited! Shame that some will be at NASL but EG-TL seems so strong that I have no doubt EG-TL will win!
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
December 06 2012 23:52 GMT
#315
Some rounds will be BO7? I hope they make pvp and zvz interesting for 7 matches in a row...
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
December 07 2012 00:09 GMT
#316
On December 07 2012 06:17 Caihead wrote:
SKT = Slayers + IM or startale, take your pick, oldest most achieving and iconic in terms of team leagues, also has star players that can go deep in individual leagues in fantasy / bisu (buy from MBC Game hero) / best.

KT = rival to SKT, take your pick of Startale / IM rivalries, or EG. Has traditionally had really great rosters and player (Nada, yellow, Nal_ra, Reach) buys but always failed to capture league wins or individual league wins (KT academy curse) until flash came through.

MBC Game Hero = (take your pick of teams that lost star players) Had alot of potential when they had both Sea, Light, and Bisu at one point, but light and bisu got bought out to other teams and they never captured another team league win again. Now defunct

Woongjin Stars = (Acer?) Strong Zergs traditionally in Zero / Soulkey and strong TvZ player light who was a buy from MBC Game Hero, they also had decent protoss' in free, their terran line is usually regarded as an in-joke because they were terrible. This is contrasted with:

Samsung Khan = (Hard to say which team has the strongest protoss' since there's only been 2 GSL protoss champions in SC2) Strong protoss' traditionally in Stork / Jangbi with good rookie terran reality, Stork and Jangbi are both strong contenders for individual leagues.

CJ Entus = (IM in team league) has extremely "deep" line up with the most consistent A level players in Leta, Skyhigh, Effort, Movie, etc who are all championship material, but never manages to pull through in team leagues. CJ also has exception zergs in Effort / Savior that has a rivalry with Woongjin for strongest individual zergs.

Hwaseung OZ = I guess TL since Taeja / hero used to carry them? Need I say more?, now defunct.

STX Soul = Take your pick of underdog team. You would be hard pressed to find fans of STX, their most consistent player now is Bogus and some promising rookies in Mini and couple of others.

WemadeFox = Used to house some notable players such as Roro, Mind, Rock and is one of the older teams, but is now defunct.

Airforce Ace = There isn't a comparable example. Special team for retiring players and people going through the military term requirements in Korea, made by boxer. Hosted alot of past famous players like Iris, Midas, firebathero, etc. Now defunct.

Team 8 = Used to be the dream team and now all hopes are gone, so I guess slayers in SC2 up to dissolving? The merger between all the star players from WemadeFox, MBCGame Hero, and Hwaseung OZ. Had Sea / Jaedong / Baby / Jaehoon. But now is in dire straits.


Hehe this is just like picking a faction to play in Medieval 2 Total War

Ry2D2
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States429 Posts
December 07 2012 02:51 GMT
#317
Where is stream at?
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 03:08:06
December 07 2012 03:07 GMT
#318
So, what do you guys think about Set 5: (Z)hyvaa < Bifrost > (P)BeSt?
Is it a good idea to have hyvaa in my main team and Best in my anti-team? :D
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
invisible.terran
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 04:43:35
December 07 2012 04:41 GMT
#319
iirc, the best choice for anti-team are bench-warmers :D
edit: I suggest you join the SKT hate train and put him in the anti-team anyways though
"Until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for." - Idra
AdroiT
Profile Joined January 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 07:08:15
December 07 2012 06:54 GMT
#320
I really want to watch this, but I have no idea where to find the stream or even when it is. There is nothing on the events page...

*Okay, appears to be at 10pm EST On Saturday... Not sure on a stream though
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