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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
December 06 2012 03:10 GMT
#221
On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

Startale, Startale, Startale, MVP?
#TheOneTrueDong
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 06 2012 03:10 GMT
#222
On December 06 2012 07:17 Noocta wrote:
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On December 06 2012 07:13 Hider wrote:
Just one comment regarding Fruitdealer (because it's almost kind of annoyed me how wrong people are getting the history of sc2).

Fruitdealer didn't win the GSL at a time when nobody thought could beat terran - He won when no terrans knew how to beat zergs at mid/lategame

Many people actually forgot where there was a period of roughly 1-2 months where terrans absolutely got owned by zergs and Blizzard considered nerfing banelings as a response to the zerg domination.

At the time he won, tanks and reapers had already been nerfed, and he went in as the favourite to play Rainbow.
Very quickly his lack of practice showed and he began sucking. I don't think players with that kind of attitude/mediocore accomplishments (relative) should be on the list.


Dude, lategame was something people were dreaming about when FD was playing this game. x)


Age of darkness for Zergs -_-

I wonder what my opponent is doing? Oh look 2rax scv pull again. Great thing our maps make sure the enemies base is actually on top of mine, rush distance: almost 0
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 06 2012 03:14 GMT
#223
It should just be MVP, Nestea and MC. Other choices are too far behind to be considered.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 06 2012 03:19 GMT
#224
On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

I sense bias
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andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 04:04:15
December 06 2012 03:57 GMT
#225
Terran: MVP, MarineKing, Clide, Jinro
Clide and Jinro were loved while they were active, while MVP and MarineKing were consistently good. Jinro at one point was considered one of the top 5 players in the world, a peak that no other foreigner has reached since. Clide could never reach the top, but he was the only Terran who refused to cheese during a time where reapers could have nitro packs without a factory. And of course, CLIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE~

Zerg: FruitDealer, Nestea, Leenock, July
FruitDealer started it all. Nestea needs no explanation, while Leenock showed that someone could greatly improve over time. July was the most successful of the BW legends who transferred over early, slightly edging out Nada. He's still active but I don't think he'll ever reach new success again.

Protoss: MC, HongUn, Genius, Inca
HongUn is the most underrated WoL player of all-time, and the only one to pull off carrier wins in GSL multiple times. Two GSL Ro4 and Ro8, yet he was never picked by the fans to represent Korea in the world championship. Genius and Inca, despite being inconsistent at times, always stuck around in Code S.

Looking at it based on history. Also, I only considered active players that were completely dominant because I wanted to include some great retired players in their time, who will be forgotten by most after HotS comes out. Sure, Stephano and DRG are good, but they'll have plenty of time to further carve out their careers.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 06 2012 03:59 GMT
#226
On December 06 2012 12:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

I sense bias

it's a list of players that lost tournaments they should have won
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 04:13:12
December 06 2012 04:12 GMT
#227
On December 06 2012 12:10 TommyP wrote:
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On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

Startale, Startale, Startale, MVP?


Yeah you know, keeping it a little balanced.

I should add that I gave IM.MVP some strong consideration, but in the end decided to keep it at 4.

On December 06 2012 12:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On December 06 2012 12:19 opterown wrote:
On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

I sense bias

it's a list of players that lost tournaments they should have won


Except Parting of course... if he wins GF then he is way up there on the WoL list.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 06 2012 04:25 GMT
#228
On December 06 2012 13:12 Hall0wed wrote:
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On December 06 2012 12:10 TommyP wrote:
On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

Startale, Startale, Startale, MVP?


Yeah you know, keeping it a little balanced.

I should add that I gave IM.MVP some strong consideration, but in the end decided to keep it at 4.

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On December 06 2012 12:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 06 2012 12:19 opterown wrote:
On December 06 2012 12:06 Hall0wed wrote:
Bomber, Squirtle, Parting, and DRG

No one else. Easy.

I sense bias

it's a list of players that lost tournaments they should have won


Except Parting of course... if he wins GF then he is way up there on the WoL list.

That's true. He's playing very well lately and is definitely a contender for the title with his soul powers
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DiuLaSing
Profile Joined August 2011
Hong Kong225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 04:38:38
December 06 2012 04:26 GMT
#229
gotta be the most $$ winning players...
"You just abuse idiocy" - bad boy
Seanly
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada73 Posts
December 06 2012 04:52 GMT
#230
Terran: MVP, Jinro, MKP, MMA
MVP: Pretty obvious
Jinro: The original foreigner hope!
MKP: Made a HUGE splash on the scene with marine micro (and being foxer)
MMA: Boxer's son...those were the days

Ptoss: MC, Huk, HerO, Puzzle
MC: Makes sense
Huk: Another early foreigner hope (ty liquid)
HerO: One of the most entertaining toss' to watch out there
Puzzle: The guy is just awesome

Zerg: Nestea, Kyrix, Idra, July
Nestea: IMNESTEEEEEAAAAAAAAA
Kyrix: made for some pretty damn exciting games (KyrixvsMKP GSL)
Idra: May not be placing the same now but in the early days there was nothing more exciting than rooting for Idra
July: Boss in BW. Boss in SC2. Not much else to say

Needless to say most of my choices were based off of the players initial impact on the scene, but there may have been a lot of bias involved as well :D:D:D
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
December 06 2012 07:44 GMT
#231
I see so many empirical results-based answers I'm going to go for a change of pace.

I've been away from the scene for half a year, so I can look at the scene in retrospect, and chose the faces that stick out most in my mind. Rather than quantitatively how good they've done, mine are based on their image and how much of an icon they seem.

Terran: MVP, MMA, Thorzain, Jinro

Protoss: MC, Naniwa, Huk, Incontrol

Zerg: Nestea, Stephano, Idra, Destiny
=)=
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
December 06 2012 08:14 GMT
#232
On December 04 2012 05:45 Forikorder wrote:
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On December 04 2012 05:30 Fionn wrote:
With the end of WoL only a few months away, who would you put on your Mount Rushmore for each race when we think back to the days of Wings of Liberty?

For me, I'd go:

Terran: Mvp, MMA, Polt, MarineKing

Probably the easiest for me. The four Terrans with the most money, and they've all either won a GSL title or been in a lot of them. Mvp, Polt and MKP have been around the top of SC2 since the start of SC2, and MMA came on a bit later to win a few GSTL's and two GSL's.

Protoss: MC, ?, ?, ?

Yeah, I have no clue. MC and three guys. There are tons of guys you could put there. You figure it out.

Zerg: FruitDealer, Nestea, Leenock, Stephano

FruitDealer for being the George Washington of SC2, Nestea for being Nestea, Leenock for his various title wins throughout the life of Wings, and Stephano for his countless accomplishments.


parting and seed at least deserve a spot and HuK for being the only foreign toss you really do well in GSL for a good amount of time

Leenock doesnt deserve that spot DRG deserves it alot more or life since hes the first ever royal roader



I don't see how Life could be placed higher than leenock. I love them both, but life has only been really around for a year and he only broke into individual fame this summer. Leenock has been a consistent top player and role model for zergs for years now.

DRG has more a claim than Life but I still put leenock above him. DRG was in the shadows for a while and he seemed to peak back early this year. Leenock has been in code S practically every season whilst winning numerous tournaments around the globe and he only looks to be getting stronger or at least is able to look like a top contender for any title he enters. There were only a couple of brief periods when Leenock looked remotely vulnerable. The kid is a monster and a constant symbol for zerg hope, when I look at DRG right now I do not think one can say the same (even though he is still a great player).

My picks:

Terran: MVP, Marineking, Polt, MMA

Protoss: MC, Parting, Squirtle, HuK (foreigner bias, this should probably be creator) (also ST bias, but yeah Squirtle innovates very often)

Zerg: Fruitdealer (you had to be there during season 1...), Nestea, Stephano, Leenock
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
December 06 2012 08:19 GMT
#233
On December 06 2012 12:57 andrea20 wrote:
Terran: MVP, MarineKing, Clide, Jinro
Clide and Jinro were loved while they were active, while MVP and MarineKing were consistently good. Jinro at one point was considered one of the top 5 players in the world, a peak that no other foreigner has reached since. Clide could never reach the top, but he was the only Terran who refused to cheese during a time where reapers could have nitro packs without a factory. And of course, CLIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE~

Zerg: FruitDealer, Nestea, Leenock, July
FruitDealer started it all. Nestea needs no explanation, while Leenock showed that someone could greatly improve over time. July was the most successful of the BW legends who transferred over early, slightly edging out Nada. He's still active but I don't think he'll ever reach new success again.

Protoss: MC, HongUn, Genius, Inca
HongUn is the most underrated WoL player of all-time, and the only one to pull off carrier wins in GSL multiple times. Two GSL Ro4 and Ro8, yet he was never picked by the fans to represent Korea in the world championship. Genius and Inca, despite being inconsistent at times, always stuck around in Code S.

Looking at it based on history. Also, I only considered active players that were completely dominant because I wanted to include some great retired players in their time, who will be forgotten by most after HotS comes out. Sure, Stephano and DRG are good, but they'll have plenty of time to further carve out their careers.


HuK hit a similar peak when he went on a tear in top 8 code S, an MLG championship and an HSC.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
December 06 2012 08:20 GMT
#234
Terran: Mvp, MarineKing, MMA, Polt

Zerg: FruitDealer, NesTea, DongRaeGu, Life (Really wanted to put Stephano on here)

Protoss: MC, HuK, PartinG, Rain
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 06 2012 08:26 GMT
#235
MKP Bomber MVP MMA
FruitDealer Nestea DRG Leenock
Genius MC Hero Parting
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
December 06 2012 08:28 GMT
#236
On December 06 2012 17:14 Goshdarnit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 05:45 Forikorder wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:30 Fionn wrote:
With the end of WoL only a few months away, who would you put on your Mount Rushmore for each race when we think back to the days of Wings of Liberty?

For me, I'd go:

Terran: Mvp, MMA, Polt, MarineKing

Probably the easiest for me. The four Terrans with the most money, and they've all either won a GSL title or been in a lot of them. Mvp, Polt and MKP have been around the top of SC2 since the start of SC2, and MMA came on a bit later to win a few GSTL's and two GSL's.

Protoss: MC, ?, ?, ?

Yeah, I have no clue. MC and three guys. There are tons of guys you could put there. You figure it out.

Zerg: FruitDealer, Nestea, Leenock, Stephano

FruitDealer for being the George Washington of SC2, Nestea for being Nestea, Leenock for his various title wins throughout the life of Wings, and Stephano for his countless accomplishments.


parting and seed at least deserve a spot and HuK for being the only foreign toss you really do well in GSL for a good amount of time

Leenock doesnt deserve that spot DRG deserves it alot more or life since hes the first ever royal roader



I don't see how Life could be placed higher than leenock. I love them both, but life has only been really around for a year and he only broke into individual fame this summer. Leenock has been a consistent top player and role model for zergs for years now.

DRG has more a claim than Life but I still put leenock above him. DRG was in the shadows for a while and he seemed to peak back early this year. Leenock has been in code S practically every season whilst winning numerous tournaments around the globe and he only looks to be getting stronger or at least is able to look like a top contender for any title he enters. There were only a couple of brief periods when Leenock looked remotely vulnerable. The kid is a monster and a constant symbol for zerg hope, when I look at DRG right now I do not think one can say the same (even though he is still a great player).

My picks:

Terran: MVP, Marineking, Polt, MMA

Protoss: MC, Parting, Squirtle, HuK (foreigner bias, this should probably be creator) (also ST bias, but yeah Squirtle innovates very often)

Zerg: Fruitdealer (you had to be there during season 1...), Nestea, Stephano, Leenock


Also I want to mention top 4 all around choices (saw in someone else's post)

#1 MVP
#2 Nestea
#3 MC
#4 Stephano (foreigner hope bonus points, not my favorite zerg)

Also I want to mention that Whitera should probably have been on my original list instead of anyone but MC. He is a pillar of the community, an innovator for protoss, and was good last year. In terms of influence he is huge.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 06 2012 08:30 GMT
#237
If it's Mt Rushmore, then I think every version needs a foreigner in there, probably the first foreigner to become big in SC2 with that race.

T: Mvp, MKP, MMA, Jinro
Z: FruitDealer, NesTea, DRG, IdrA
P: MC, Genius, Squirtle, HuK
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 08:38:17
December 06 2012 08:36 GMT
#238
OP did a pretty good summary already imo!

Terran: Mvp, MMA, MarineKing
Ah, Mvp and his dominance, MMA being the kryptonite. Boy I'd love if Mvp his wrists get all patched up and MMA finds the discipline to practice like before again.. Although from his interviews he doesn't seem too engaged about practicing like before plus he doesn't have a personal coach anymore.
MKP his consistency + super strong run at the start of 2012 looking almost unbeatable for a month or 2 till queens got patched certainly puts him on the list. If it wasn't for Mvp this guy would have had his fair share of GSL titles.

Protoss: MC, Parting?
MC has always been my favorite player, from his 4gates to his 2base all-ins to his insane late game, he's always been the best protoss. Seed cheesed him from his third GSL title, and atm Creator & Parting are getting stronger results but I have full confidence he will be back.
He's only won a big tournament recently but I remember him and Squirtle making me think psi storm was imba ^^ I'd add Squirtle as well but he hasn't really won anything :[

Zerg: FruitDealer, Nestea and recently Leenock.
FruitDealer in 2010 need I say more? Best plays came from him, so sad to see him go.
Nestea being Nestea, I wonder if he'll get back to it once he isn't so busy with esf stuff. Maybe in HoTS when infestors are a bit less OP and mutalisks become viable again? Nestea always shined with muta ling bane.
Life is good as well recently (As are many zergs...), but Leenock has been consistent over the years and he's showing great improvement lately!

For foreigners I'd go with Stephano, Huk and Nerchio.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
December 06 2012 08:39 GMT
#239
I'm sorry you guys but there's no way you can have a Mount Zergmore without Fruitdealer on it.

He was the George Washington of Zerg. He won the first GSL when EVERYONE was convinced Zerg was completely underpowered, he introduced the first major blockbuster playstyle in SC2 history (the Baneling Carpetbomb)

He's the first GSL Champion EVER.

I know that there are Zergs now with more titles, or more money and there's probably several that are straight up better than him, but there's no denying the impact that Fruitdealer has had on SC2's history. Only Nestea is a more storied player of that race.

Fruitdealer and Nestea are on mount Zergmore, That isn't debatable. Argue how you want about the other 2 spots, but those two spots are set in stone as far as I'm concerned.
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K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
December 06 2012 08:46 GMT
#240
Just wondering but why do most of you guys favor Polt over Bomber? Bomber used to be a top tier player for the longest time right behind Mvp.
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