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Crushgroove
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
December 03 2012 21:48 GMT
#341
little bit of a tinfoil hat there... but a good read none the less. Well-written and reasoned sir, even if I do think there is a bit of fallacy going on.
[In Korea on Vaca] "Why would I go to the park and climb a mountain? There are video games on f*cking TV!" - Kazuke
Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
December 03 2012 21:49 GMT
#342
On December 04 2012 06:39 rembrant wrote:
This thread is sooo rediculous. I'm just as tired of infestors as the next guy but op should have never written this. The game is in flux, there is no blizzard conspiracy, and all of those "can u tell if this z is a white guy?" Pics were the most ridiculous of all. Sorry op I'm not impressed, nice graphs and u made a few good points but ultimately you do the whole issue a disservice.


Posts like this make this an amazing thread. Good job Ver.
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SXGCoil
Profile Joined February 2012
United States341 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 21:54:50
December 03 2012 21:49 GMT
#343
Sorry, as well written as this article may be. The way you use "patchzerg" just makes it seem like dumb fear-mongering.
Seriously? "The Patchzerg Menace"?
And the fact that you're advocating out-right removal of fungal shows how little knowledge you possess.
You're also talking about a fungal buff that never existed. The only buff it ever got was when it was changed to prevent blink. Current fungal is waaaaay less powerful. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
Just a particularly well-worded balance whine.
Dotq
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway235 Posts
December 03 2012 21:49 GMT
#344
Just looking at the graph of foreigner terrans vs koreans is hilarious

I still cant believe blizzard has not nerfed zerg yet.

One thing stuck to my mind, im fucking tired of hearing " money fungal" too.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
December 03 2012 21:49 GMT
#345
awesome read, thank you for your time writing this!
Siwelcela
Profile Joined November 2011
United States87 Posts
December 03 2012 21:50 GMT
#346
The last section of this article completely discredits the entirety of what you wrote. I as a zerg player I agree that fungal needs nerfed and changed to a projectile but the way you go about making it into a conspiracy theory makes this and the rest of the nerf zerg threads look bad and is probably why blizzard keeps writing them off. Just stick to the facts like you did for so much of the article as it was really well written. Last sections like this are why people troll these threads all day everyday and just say it is toss and terran QQing.

Lastly please everyone dont forget that your respective races also had there times where they where "unbeatable" and then poof someone tried something new and it stopped.
pokes & fun
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
December 03 2012 21:50 GMT
#347
On December 04 2012 06:41 EnhancedZ wrote:
I honestly hope that you don't expect anyone to take you seriously with the way you finished this article. It's a joke.


I'm glad you got it... oh wait
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 03 2012 21:50 GMT
#348
On December 04 2012 06:47 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
It's funny because no one actually has a clue what the fuck blizzard is doing.


David Kim just made a huge post on what they're working on.... :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
December 03 2012 21:51 GMT
#349
Someone please tell me who the 2 foreign terrans were who won their TvP and TvZ Respectively?

There was one guy earlier who asked in page 2, but he didnt understand these 2 weren't the entire sample size.

Someone, please
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Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
December 03 2012 21:51 GMT
#350
Note about OP saying people want to watch foreigners win no matter how they do it.
Look at the recommended games for GSL WC day 2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385522
In the poles the majority of people voting recommended games 5 and 6 when they were boring as shit. Stephano wins both games then stays in the both games for another 20 pointless minutes jerking off until he gets bored and a moves. Some of the most boring games ive ever seen.
Next 2 games are recommended as well, cant speak to their quality though as i was so bored i went to bed.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
December 03 2012 21:51 GMT
#351
I think its pretty obvious the game has become a lot less enjoyable to watch. I mean, IPL finals were like 20k viewers.. the most stacked tournament I've ever seen in sc2 history. And I remember just over a year ago watching the NASL MC vs puma finals with 100k+ viewers and being amazed at how much skill they had in those games. And at IPL it was just mostly zergs dominating with infestors all day.

I agree that zerg is the most forgiving race, but even more so, zerg has made the meta-game complete shit right now and you can tell its hurting the viewer base. I haven't even touched a WOL ladder game in the last year just because the game hasn't changed one bit. And everytime I watch a tournament, I never see anything interesting. The game has been stale for the last year, if anything blizzard needs to nerf the infestor and buff other random units just to change the way the game is played.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12883 Posts
December 03 2012 21:52 GMT
#352
Lol at all the zerg imba/terran shit threads, it has been this way for so long I don't understand why people difn't notice it until now. I mean except the terrans players.
WriterMaru
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
December 03 2012 21:52 GMT
#353
Ver, you are a real hero, and a real human being.

Great article.
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 03 2012 21:52 GMT
#354
On December 04 2012 06:49 Brawny wrote:
Sorry, as well written as this article may be. The way you use "patchzerg" just makes it seem like dumb fear-mongering.
Seriously? "The Patchzerg Menace"?
And the fact that you're advocating out-right removal of fungal shows how little knowledge you possess.


The section headers are parodies of the Star Wars movie titles.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 03 2012 21:53 GMT
#355
Remember how IdrA was one of the best foreign zergs because of his sick multitasking? He fell off once muta/ling went out of style in favor of infestors, so idra's advantage over other zergs was no longer there. Idra was the only foreign zerg at the time that many could consider to be on par with koreans. Like Ver said, now it's no longer surprising if a zerg wins vs. a korean. Stephano, Vortix, Scarlett, Suppy, Nerchio, Sen... they're all good players, sure. But where were they before infestors were buffed?
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 03 2012 21:53 GMT
#356
I think this might be one of those threads where the fact it is a joke needs to be explicitly stated in a mod note, preferably bolded and marqueeing across the screen.
WardenSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada210 Posts
December 03 2012 21:53 GMT
#357
Blizzard/David Kim need to nerf infestors in such a way that late game zerg composition doesn't end up with 20+ infestors every match up. Their stance on infestors is so disgustingly contradictory to how they dealt with nerfing ghosts. It's not okay to end up with 20+ ghosts in tvz, but its fine and dancy with zerg massing infestors in every match up (even including zvz)?
Eifer
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 21:55:39
December 03 2012 21:54 GMT
#358
On December 04 2012 06:38 Ficetool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 06:30 link0 wrote:
Fantastic and accurate write up. You put into words what every Masters+ player is already thinking.


I am Master and think it is utter rubbish, written by someone who has no clue and is biased :-)
Not to mention all the stupid things he writes that makes it either a troll post or just ridicolous


Ver is a much better player than you. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Ver) so claiming you're a master and thus more enlightened doesn't really fly.

Edit: Well done with the section titles ;p
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9384 Posts
December 03 2012 21:55 GMT
#359
On December 04 2012 06:53 IMoperator wrote:
Remember how IdrA was one of the best foreign zergs because of his sick multitasking? He fell off once muta/ling went out of style in favor of infestors, so idra's advantage over other zergs was no longer there. Idra was the only foreign zerg at the time that many could consider to be on par with koreans. Like Ver said, now it's no longer surprising if a zerg wins vs. a korean. Stephano, Vortix, Scarlett, Suppy, Nerchio, Sen... they're all good players, sure. But where were they before infestors were buffed?


nop you are kinda rewriting history/getting the timeline wrong. Idra wasn't never par with koreans except for the first 2-4 months of sc2's release.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12883 Posts
December 03 2012 21:57 GMT
#360
On December 04 2012 06:53 IMoperator wrote:
Remember how IdrA was one of the best foreign zergs because of his sick multitasking? He fell off once muta/ling went out of style in favor of infestors, so idra's advantage over other zergs was no longer there. Idra was the only foreign zerg at the time that many could consider to be on par with koreans. Like Ver said, now it's no longer surprising if a zerg wins vs. a korean. Stephano, Vortix, Scarlett, Suppy, Nerchio, Sen... they're all good players, sure. But where were they before infestors were buffed?

Stephano was the best foreign ZvTer and weak at ZvZ before his rise (like around the HSC where he beat Huk but lost to MC).
His muta play wasn't the best but he had epic drop defense and engagements, he baneling trapped during fights way before koreans and stuff like that. Nerchio made his splash after the infestor buff yeah.
WriterMaru
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