Stop derailing this thread. This is an announcement concerning two players. If you want to talk about players who are not MajOr and LeiYa, you're in the wrong thread.
In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, the youngest person ever to do so at that time.
interesting read.
Also another example for this issue :
Here, studying civil engineering, you don't see many women around. This is NOT because women are worse than men at math, but because parents/people automatically assume they are, based on social stereotypes ( engineers are men, nurses are women, elementary school teachers are women, secretaries are women and so on. ). Because they grow up with that in mind, they are unconsciously modelled like the society wants them to, thus they grow less interested in math and more interested in other things, IN GENERAL. nowadays, society grows more open minded and these shackles are starting to break, thus we're starting to see more women in math professions and vice-versa.
Same for gaming. We don't have a huge sample of female sc2 gamers ( I heard CS has quite a community ? ) so we don't have a legit sample size to compare skill and performances. The female gaming community is so small, yet again because society grew up thinking boys plays videogames and girls play with dolls. People who notice that binding aspect either ignore it because being different than the rest is always frowned upon, either they embrace their true aspirations and do what they feel more comfortable doing ( girl gamers, male nurses etc. ) The ones who don't notice it, perpetuate the trend.
I don't know if i'm getting the point across as it's badly exaplined, but I found the discussion earlier in this thread amazingly ignorant.
also the wiki Lynda ( post above ) linked is pretty informative. This woman beats those chess grandmasters because she was raised like they were. Nothing stops women from being as good/better etc than men at chess, it's just society's not viewing chess as a women's sport, so the sample size is too small. Imagine chess was a sport accepted for both men and women, and there were champions raised like that on both sides equally, with an equal community behind it. The women and men would be as good as eachother in chess, the same goes for videogames. If videogames were accepted as a boy/girl thing, and a community develops where the female/male sample sizes are fairly equal, you could put men and women up against aechother in videogames and their results would be even. Nothing gives the one an advantage over the other.
On November 27 2012 05:42 Lynda wrote: Trans women have no natural advantage at SC2 over women who were born as female. The fact that more girls don't play SC2 at high level is arguably purely social, as a result of girls playing video games being frowned upon, let alone playing it a lot, very seriously and openly.
In physical sports it's a different case, but even then, hormone replacement therapy atrophies and changes the muscle mass to match that of females', although the bone structure remains the same; but even in serious sports there has been not one case where they decided in a trans woman's favor to allow her to enter women's tournaments, e.g. Renée Richards.
I'm done with the arguments.
Male chess players are still better than female chess players. And I don't think female playing chess is frowned upon. Male and female not just have physical power differences, their brains are different too, hormones too. I would still say that a trans woman has advantage over other women at SC2.
How many females vs males pursue chess? How long have males had an established tradition of pursuing chess vs females? Does the fact that the vast majority of the worlds' political leadership being male 'prove' that male brains are better designed for political leadership?
The reason why there are fewer female chess players, is still a brain and hormone issue, they are not that interested in it, and not inspired by it. Differences are still on brain and hormone. When women win or lose a game, they don't feel that much thrill and disappointment as men do. So they don't have that much motivation in games generally.
The reason there are fewer black chess players, is still a brain and race issue, they are not that interested in it, and not inspired by it. The difference are still on brain and race. When black man win or lose a game, they dont feel that much thrill and disappointment as white/asians do. So they dont have that much motivation in games generally.
The reason there are fewer brazilian hockey players is still a brain and hormone issue, they are not that interested in it and not inspired by it. Differences are still on brain and hormone. When brazilians win or lose a game, they dont feel that much thrill and disappointment as men do. So they don't have that much motivation in games generally
The reason there are fewer non-Korean SC2 champions is still a brain and hormone issue, they are not that interested in it and not inspired by it. Differences are still on brain and hormone. When non-Koreans win or lose a game, they dont feel that much thril and disappointment as Koreans do. So they don't have that much motivation in games generally.
Do you see how absurd this sounds? I dont understand how psuedo-scientific justifications that 'women are biologically different' lets you ignore the obvious historical fact: chess has been a male game, males have been encouraged to pursue it and females have not. After literally 2000 years of male domination of an arena the fact that now, in the last 30-40 years of women's emancipation/equality, the output of female chess players/champions is significantly smaller than males is probably a factor of history and society rather than 'brain and hormone' and their 'inability to enjoy winning'
That 4th paragraph was a well-spoken version of what I was trying to get across, happy to see there are people with the right ideas defending this thread.
On November 26 2012 19:34 TheDraken wrote: as far as i'm concerned you're a dick entirely. no fucking point in arguing with someone who is so clearly deluded with the idea that you are what you look like. read up on kleinfelter's. read about turner's. read about SRY translocation. read about androgen insensitivity. then fucking tell us if you still think gender is as black and white as you make it out to be. you know next to nothing about either of these people and yet you just assume they're deciding what they want to be.
I love how stupid people always ignore the truth and never discuss this, thus making their opinion totally irrelevant. I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION, HURR DURR.
Had to check after clicking through to the last page that I was actually still in the same thread. I'd worry about you people but, well, you know. You make for a fun drinking game at least.
GL to both, glad to see Juan seemingly maturing a little (improve yourself and improve your play and all), hope he'll get his shot. And that LeiYa will get a chance to show us some good stuffs. ROOT (aside from ToD and I suppose majOr but he's leaving) has been a bit on the background of late, at least for me, looking forward to see a new star of theirs shine.
Very happy to see this. Watching the Puck (now Leiya) stream a lot and she is quite somehting. Awsome macroµ skills. Very high potential and I can't wait to see her perform in tournaments.
Can you please feature her stream? Her stream is still unfeatured.
After literally 2000 years of male domination of an arena the fact that now, in the last 30-40 years of women's emancipation/equality, the output of female chess players/champions is significantly smaller than males is probably a factor of history and society rather than 'brain and hormone' and their 'inability to enjoy winning'
Actually the modern rules for chess didn't emerge until the late 1400s early 1500s -_-
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