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Rain forfeits GSL Code S spot in favor of MLG. - Page 14

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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 01 2012 06:19 GMT
#261
On November 01 2012 15:16 pigtheman wrote:
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On November 01 2012 14:06 Kiyo. wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:03 Fionn wrote:
If this was Rain's choice, then he has to live by it. But if he honestly forfeited his Code S seed for a CHANCE at winning $25,000 and having to go ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE OPEN BRACKET, then he might be the best player in the world, but not the best decision maker. Hopefully GSL does what they did with (other)Rain and suspend him for a season. Rain was one of the GSL's main stars after S4 and could have been a reason why a lot of people bought a ticket.

I guess making a big name for himself in America is a good move, and he does have WCS Global Finals also this month that he might have put more priority on than Code S, but it seems like a foolish move. If he was in group play, I can maybe see it, but what happens if he rolls MC in the OB, loses a PvP and then has to win 30 matches in a row to even make Championship Sunday?

Edit: I just realized this is the second time in history a player has given up their Code S seed willingly. BOTH WERE NAMED RAIN.


I thought they suspended Rain for a year not a season. And Idra also gave up Code S willingly, so 3 players?



I think hes talking about giving it up to play for MLG, because i know Sen forfeited his spot for Code S too :S

sen forfeited a code a/updown spot
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33492 Posts
November 01 2012 06:19 GMT
#262
Adam is a passionate guy and tends to get pretty defensive of MLG, I don't think he really deserves any grief for it
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drazak
Profile Joined November 2011
United States479 Posts
November 01 2012 06:20 GMT
#263
Nah, wasn't saying he deserves grief, was just saying that he's always defensive, so it's nothing new from him. I kind of even defended him when I said it was because he was frustrated with how any things he needs to fix.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
November 01 2012 06:20 GMT
#264
On November 01 2012 14:58 jmbthirteen wrote:
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On November 01 2012 14:55 silent_owl wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
How does Rain forfeiting his Code S spot benefit Kespa at all btw? Less exposure for them. Less chance to win with their best player out of the tournament.


Well, I'm guessing they're targeting a large foreign fanbase now that SC2 hasn't taken off so quickly in Korea. From a business standpoint, going to MLG is logical but somewhat risky because if Rain gets taken out during the Open Bracket, it would be really embarrassing for both Kespa and SKT.

Kespa is already sending 4 guys to MLG, Flash included. They will be the talk of the town regardless of Rain being there or not.


That's true. I guess it's also because Rain is the current OSL champion and got to the Ro4 of GSL last season, giving him a monster reputation.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
November 01 2012 06:21 GMT
#265
Asking for a schedule change two days before the tournament .......
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
November 01 2012 06:21 GMT
#266
Why are people going so ape shit? So there were scheduling conflicts it sucks but it happens...
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
November 01 2012 06:22 GMT
#267
On November 01 2012 15:12 Lennient wrote:
SlayerS had a bad management when Boxer was on the team, and now SKT1 informs GOM too late, something is amazingly coincident.


Boxer is a coach of SKT T1, he no longer runs the team like he did back in the day nor does he have a position similar to what he had to hold with Jessica in SlayerS.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 01 2012 06:22 GMT
#268
On November 01 2012 15:14 Lann555 wrote:
Still <3 you, Rain.

Hope he wrecks through the entire MLG field (not unlikely) and crushes some fools in U/D matches and wins Code S next season.

All fair-weather fans, this is your stop, so get your flimsy asses of the bus :D



LMAO this is a golden post and I completely agree.

The community will surely blow this out of proportion, you can already see it in this thread with people jumping to the most cynical conclusions possible. This was clearly a decision on the part of either SKT1 or Rain himself, not Kespa being sinister and conspiring to fuck GOM over. That's just a drama queen assumption, plain and simple.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
November 01 2012 06:23 GMT
#269
On November 01 2012 14:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
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On November 01 2012 14:04 BgSBendeR wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:03 Benjamin99 wrote:
This is all Kespa doing what a joke

Stop making up facts . . .
It could have very well been his own decision. . .


Yea and Bill Clinton never had sexual relation with Monica Lewinsky


it's fairly obvious that kespa's hand is somewhere in the shadowy background...
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 01 2012 06:23 GMT
#270
On November 01 2012 15:23 aRyuujin wrote:
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On November 01 2012 14:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:04 BgSBendeR wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:03 Benjamin99 wrote:
This is all Kespa doing what a joke

Stop making up facts . . .
It could have very well been his own decision. . .


Yea and Bill Clinton never had sexual relation with Monica Lewinsky


it's fairly obvious that kespa's hand is somewhere in the shadowy background...

no thats JYP's hand.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 06:25:11
November 01 2012 06:23 GMT
#271
Some people are trying to paint it worse than it actually is. Obviously, he wanted to do both. Gom tried to accomodate but they couldn't, because he informed them too late. This is unfortunate and ultimately Rain's fault (as a KT fan, I'm just gonna blame SKT here), but not some conspiracy by Kespa to bring down GSL.
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
November 01 2012 06:24 GMT
#272
On November 01 2012 14:42 Fionn wrote:
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On November 01 2012 14:41 silent_owl wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:40 vandelayindustries wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:37 eviltomahawk wrote:
Hopefully, he'll survive Code A and will be in Code S by next season. Either that or he receives a seed.


If Rain fails to secure Code S for next season through Code A/Up&Downs I don't see any way of him receiving a sponsor seed after forfeiting his spot this season.


Unless he takes MLG. Still, winning from the open bracket? I hope he pulls a Leenock to justify his decision to completely ditch Code S.


Even if he wins OSL, WCS Global Finals and somehow wins a Nobel Prize, giving a sponsored seed to a player who FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be in Code S should not happen.

GOM would kill to have the hottest player in the world AND also one of the hottest KeSPA player in Code S. Im just afraid GOM is that desperate
Same reason why theres no punishment for this action
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
November 01 2012 06:24 GMT
#273
On November 01 2012 15:13 jmbthirteen wrote:
You don't know why Adam is upset? How about because he just worked hard to get Rain to MLG on short notice and now people are shitting on it? Yeah I'd be upset too.


I think everybody understands that it's a sick move for MLG. As I said it's amazing that Rain is a MLG because the more you see the star players play the better. Bring Bisu, Zero and Stork, Hell get Savior back, sign up Artosis in pool play and get Day9 to play with his toes I'll freakin pay for that stuff. But people have right to be pissed that it means Rain doesnt play in GSL because people wanna see Rain and having him playing at MLG when he's not playing in GSL doesn't mean that they willl get to see him play more.

But MLG didn't do anything wrong so why trying to transfer the shit they aren't actually getting to GSL just for not being able to change their schedule after they already started the round and their schedule has been established.
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
November 01 2012 06:25 GMT
#274
I was gonna stay up to watch but then I saw this... Oh well. It's gon' RAIN in Dallas now!
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
November 01 2012 06:26 GMT
#275
On November 01 2012 15:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 15:23 aRyuujin wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:04 BgSBendeR wrote:
On November 01 2012 14:03 Benjamin99 wrote:
This is all Kespa doing what a joke

Stop making up facts . . .
It could have very well been his own decision. . .


Yea and Bill Clinton never had sexual relation with Monica Lewinsky


it's fairly obvious that kespa's hand is somewhere in the shadowy background...

no thats JYP's hand.


LOL! JYP has found a legitimate way to get rid of Protoss competition for himself.

Anyway, my mind's much calmer now, I hope this situation gets fixed between Gom and Kespa but I hope Rain TEARS IT UP and WINS!
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 01 2012 06:26 GMT
#276
On November 01 2012 15:12 Lennient wrote:
SlayerS had a bad management when Boxer was on the team, and now SKT1 informs GOM too late, something is amazingly coincident.


Boxer's a coach, not management......
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 01 2012 06:26 GMT
#277
did manager j join skt?
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 01 2012 06:27 GMT
#278
This is what Adam said when Rain's attendance at Dallas was first announced:

On October 30 2012 06:58 MLG_Adam wrote:
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On October 30 2012 06:54 Noocta wrote:
Meh
Feel like MLG tried everything to make him come so the event feel more prestigious but in these conditions I doubt he will play his best


Huh?

SK t1 contacted us, Rain wants to win Dallas and asked to attend.


This is Rain's decision and that is completely fine. He's a young kid and he wants to experience the thrill of being cheered on by foreign fans. We as fans should support him in that rather than bring intense public scrutiny on this whole ordeal, since that would surely get him bummed and not in an ideal state of mind for playing at Dallas.
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
November 01 2012 06:28 GMT
#279
The amount of By.Sun hate and Kespa bashing is ridiculous.

People wanted elephants. People wanted more tournaments.

Eventually they might discover that some of those other tournaments might be more worthwhile to participate in. As mentioned, going to America is a pretty big thing for the KeSPA players. Isn't that what people want in MLG anyway?

It's SKT. Pretty sure they can do whatever they want. And By.Sun/SKT wouldn't have pulled out if they weren't confident that he'd be able to re-qualify for Code S again.

Cut the kid some slack. He's only doing what people want of him. And that includes seeing him play in America. Do you really want to see the new hope of Protoss not make it through the open bracket?
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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
November 01 2012 06:28 GMT
#280
On November 01 2012 15:27 Doodsmack wrote:
This is what Adam said when Rain's attendance at Dallas was first announced:

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 06:58 MLG_Adam wrote:
On October 30 2012 06:54 Noocta wrote:
Meh
Feel like MLG tried everything to make him come so the event feel more prestigious but in these conditions I doubt he will play his best


Huh?

SK t1 contacted us, Rain wants to win Dallas and asked to attend.


This is Rain's decision and that is completely fine. He's a young kid and he wants to experience the thrill of being cheered on by foreign fans. We as fans should support him in that rather than bring intense public scrutiny on this whole ordeal, since that would surely get him bummed and not in an ideal state of mind for playing at Dallas.


This is a great point and I feel a little guilty at my own reaction. Still, I was so excited for the games later.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
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