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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
October 23 2012 17:34 GMT
#81
Some DotA players/teams could learn from actions such as this, but on the other side, the pay need to follow suit.
LiangHao
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 23 2012 17:35 GMT
#82
Eclypsia.
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
October 23 2012 17:36 GMT
#83
"We're suspending our player for being bad, by the way look at how bad he did in this tournament!"

..That's not how you're supposed to treat your team..
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:41:18
October 23 2012 17:37 GMT
#84
I think a more professional way to act would be sth. like this:

>Inform the player in private, that you are not satisfied with his performance / activity lately
>Tell him you cannot pay him in the current situation until he fullfills the (contracted) level of activeness again
>Tell him, that you like to keep him on the roster if he does change.
>Offer the player to be released from the team, if he wants to or if he stays inactive.
>Wait for a response from the player, come to a bilateral agreement
>THEN make a press release with the outcome and the consequences.

... and yeah, emphasizing bad results from your own player in recent tournaments is not that optimal.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
October 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#85
On October 24 2012 02:32 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 01:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Why are you bashing your own player in a public forum ? This does not seem worthy of a post at all.

This. What's the point of publicly bashing Sjow ? This is an internal issue imo...


A stated before they have to make something like this public otherwise the player can just turn on them and complain that he doesn't get paid. If a player is suspended from pay that's pretty normal to be public in other sports as well.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:43:32
October 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#86
I don't know why people have a problem with this announcement. I like team transparency and it's refreshing to see. If you want to cry poor player, well that player shouldn't have done those things in the first place to warrant punishment. I don't have sympathy for people who came into a situation by their own doing and actions.

Eclypsia does have a poor reputation, but people are too quick to take the players side in everything. Players aren't always angels and teams aren't always the devil.
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Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
October 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#87
Step back and look at the big picture. There's way too many players currently signed onto teams for below-subsistence level wages, without any hope of producing results, without anywhere to go except maybe flipping burgers or their mom's basement. Ever since the SC2 speculation bubble burst there's no money in the pool anymore to support them anymore. Add to that the shadiness of team leadership and the youth of the players how can you not have drama.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
October 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#88
On October 24 2012 02:37 reapsen wrote:
I think a more professional way to act would be sth. like this:

>Inform the player in private, that you are not satisfied with his performance / activity lately
>Tell him you cannot pay him in the current situation until he fullfills the (contracted) level of activeness again
>Tell him, that you like to keep him on the roster if he does so.
>Offer the player to be released from the team, if he wants to or if he stays inactive.
>Wait for a response from the player, come to an bilateral agreement
>THEN make a press release with the outcome and the consequences.


maybe all of this happened and we just dont know?

I wouldnt want to pay a player with a big name that doesnt play the game and doesnt show any results therefore for lots of months either.
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
October 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#89
On October 24 2012 02:38 Baum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 02:32 Lylat wrote:
On October 24 2012 01:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Why are you bashing your own player in a public forum ? This does not seem worthy of a post at all.

This. What's the point of publicly bashing Sjow ? This is an internal issue imo...


A stated before they have to make something like this public otherwise the player can just turn on them and complain that he doesn't get paid. If a player is suspended from pay that's pretty normal to be public in other sports as well.


Um no. You come out with the details if that scenario were to occur. You don't shit on your player in public like this. Only in Eclypsia folks. ZzzZzzz
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JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
October 23 2012 17:40 GMT
#90
sjow starts streaming. problem solved. why everybody bashing eclipsya?
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
October 23 2012 17:40 GMT
#91
On October 24 2012 02:37 reapsen wrote:
I think a more professional way to act would be sth. like this:

>Inform the player in private, that you are not satisfied with his performance / activity lately
>Tell him you cannot pay him in the current situation until he fullfills the (contracted) level of activeness again
>Tell him, that you like to keep him on the roster if he does so.
>Offer the player to be released from the team, if he wants to or if he stays inactive.
>Wait for a response from the player, come to an bilateral agreement
>THEN make a press release with the outcome and the consequences.


From the statements made this seems to be exactly what happened.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
CuteZergling
Profile Joined November 2011
641 Posts
October 23 2012 17:41 GMT
#92
My god I will never understand this team. What on earth is the point of putting this in public. And to think they just got a Razer sponsorship.
Team owner of team QTLing
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
October 23 2012 17:42 GMT
#93
i dont understand at all. Did Sjow play much LoL instead of SC2 ?
@taefoxy
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
October 23 2012 17:43 GMT
#94
Yeah sorry guys but why exactly are you doing this in public? I was sympathetic towards you after the advertisement drama with the stream instead of a banner, I thought that was just an interesting marketing move, but keep this kind of thing within the team. It just looks bad, why even talk about it?
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:48:09
October 23 2012 17:44 GMT
#95
On October 24 2012 02:40 Baum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 02:37 reapsen wrote:
I think a more professional way to act would be sth. like this:

>Inform the player in private, that you are not satisfied with his performance / activity lately
>Tell him you cannot pay him in the current situation until he fullfills the (contracted) level of activeness again
>Tell him, that you like to keep him on the roster if he does so.
>Offer the player to be released from the team, if he wants to or if he stays inactive.
>Wait for a response from the player, come to an bilateral agreement
>THEN make a press release with the outcome and the consequences.


From the statements made this seems to be exactly what happened.


If you are correct, then the press release from EC is just badly worded. It reads a lot like they skipped steps 1 to 5 and went directly to step 6. Especially it seems like they skipped step 5! (Maybe we get a reaction from Sjow to this... where is Slasher if you need him?!)

Also if Steps 1 to 5 were made in private, a more discrete press release would have been way more adequate.

In any case, it does not really make sense.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8324 Posts
October 23 2012 17:45 GMT
#96
On October 24 2012 01:27 TR wrote:
Lol many teams suspending their players nowadays.


I think that's a sign of maturity really.
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JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
October 23 2012 17:46 GMT
#97
i'm with ec on this one. if you're payed to play starcaft, then play starcraft.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 23 2012 17:46 GMT
#98
On October 24 2012 02:06 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 01:59 Chill wrote:
On October 24 2012 01:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Why are you bashing your own player in a public forum ? This does not seem worthy of a post at all.

Yea I don't get this.

The EG / Stephano stuff was damage control and PR. It was already public and they had to do something.
This is just... I don't get it. Someone didn't do what they said they would do so you're not paying them for a month? Why is that public information?

So fans know whats up?
sorry for double post.


Then they can post it at their website?!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
October 23 2012 17:47 GMT
#99
Congratulations on losing the only player anyone knows about. Have fun in your new team, SjoW.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 23 2012 17:50 GMT
#100
Wait what did i just read now? Why are you making these public first of all? Uhm.
That's why dignitas has SjoW in their roster now?
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