On October 24 2012 01:47 Tyree wrote: Is it not brutal to suspend a progamer considering majority of them if not all of them except 2-3 koreans at best do not make all that much money?
I understand agreements and such but 30 days without any pay in a field that already pays peanuts and a glass of water is pretty rough, hard to motivate people that way
Just wanted to clafiry one part of what you say: Up until KeSPA teams entered SC2, I can assure you that non-korean Sc2 players were making SIGNIFICANTLY more money than Koreans, in salary.
Anyway, the way this was posted was incredibly un-professional - I didn't even realize it was an official statement lol
There should be links to their website, a statement from management, a statement from SjoW preferably, and more effort should have been put into this if they decided it was even worth mentioning in public.
It seems to me that they only released this information for the sake of publicity and to look more professional. This doesn't seem like something that can't be resolved privately without posting a passive-aggressive statement. I'm not even going to get into how unprofessional this looks.
Just because EG made a press release on suspending Stephano doesn't mean you had to make one about SjoW.
On October 24 2012 17:18 NexCa wrote: Correct choice if you ask me, same goes for normal ppl with normal jobs --> you're not working, you dont' get paid, easy as that
I think most people here are not discussing about the fact, but about the way they posted it.
I agree with the reason for the suspension, but the way they posted it... well, just doesn't fit at all.
On October 24 2012 17:18 NexCa wrote: Correct choice if you ask me, same goes for normal ppl with normal jobs --> you're not working, you dont' get paid, easy as that
What? You prolly dont have the same normal jobs I've had. As far as I know as long as you do the minimum required you'll be paid same amount as the guy who works his ass off.
That said just absolutely brutal post by Eclypsia. I don't see how it's good for anyone. It tells one of their top players don't care anymore, shows they suck at picking players who will help their team grow and just make the team look bad because they show they don't know how to manage a team.
Just coming from Eclypsia, I havent read everything about what happened with their first wave of players, but they don't look like the kind of team I'd want to work for not knowing if I'll actually be paid by them even if I do what I have to do.
The players really have no leverage at this point. They are basically puppet and teams can just do whatever they want with them. If you're not on a top team you never know if at the end of the month your team will disband, stop paying you have a few late payment. If the team stops making money players are the first paying the price. If companies can't make it work they just pack it up and move on,
Maybe the suspension is totally justified, but the thread just make everybody look bad in this not only Sjow. Hopefully it's been discussed internally and Slow really didn't show any effort to play and deserve his paycheck, but it didn't have to come out like this.
If Sjow has been afk and not honoring his contract then I cant blame his team for taking action. And I find it interesting that we as for more transparancy in e-sports and among the team but you get several pages of whine about the fact that they go public. I agree Eclypsia could have been more professional about it and gotten a comment from Sjow himself but I think its good that we know whats going on and not left wondering where Sjow is for a month.
well EC is right but the statement is just low it looks not even like one next time make it look more "official" but sure no work no money ... what you guys expect ? damn sensless ec bashing
On October 24 2012 09:22 Cascade wrote: I skimmed through the 13 pages, and I didn't see a single post expressing regret that Sjow is inactive, or showing any kind of support for Sjow to get his motivation back.
But after all, why post things like "Aww, Sjow! Common, we heart you get back to that ladder!!" or "I miss your stream, where are you??" or "go Sjow, we believe!!"
when you can post things like (randomly taking the oneliners from page 3) "my god, drama again, let's go" or "Suspending players is one way for Eclypsia to make news and seem relevant I suppose. Such a joke team." or "I didn't even know that he got paid in the first place, did this really require a public announcement?"
Good old SC2 General knows what's important.
I'm sorry but have you even read the whole thread or are you blatantly taking for granted that this is what happened?
I've read the first 5 pages or so,a nd skimmed the rest. Ie scrolled through and read first sentence or two of each post. Enough to get the gist fo most posts. As I wrote, I saw no post "expressing regret that Sjow is inactive, or showing any kind of support for Sjow to get his motivation back". If I missed any, feel free to show me. Even if there are a few, the fact that they are so few still makes my point valid.
Your post is incredibly ignorant and borderline stupid.
Ignorant of what? Of what happened between Sjow and EC in this case? Of how TL normally reacts to this kind of threads? I gladly admit ignorance in the first (as most others), but I think I know how these threads go normally (again, as do most others). And the main subject is usually not to help Sjow find his motivation for sc2 again.
Did you read and understand my post btw? Also no reason to point out that my IQ is below the TL average of 158 (and it seems you are well above that), that's just rude. You should be above that.
What is your opinion? Stop trolling and get real. READ what people are posting.
I don't care much for Sjow or EC, so I don't really care. I think part of my point is that no one else really care either. People are just attracted to drama and pitchforks, even if they don't care the slightest about the people involved. The fact that I read (skimmed) through 13 pages despite not caring makes me the same, which I'm not very proud of.
I'm so disappointed in this community. Normally I never comment on these things, I did earlier in this thread and then decided to just read what comes out. But it's impossible to keep quite when people are jumping to these stupid conclusions.
Yeah, it's very rare that posting in these threads give you much satisfaction. They move too fast, and people are often too angry at X, or convinced by Y, to stop and listen. Again, not saying I'm any different, and maybe it goes for you as well.
So well, essentially I'm just small talking with the rest of the mob here. How has your day been? Sharpened the pitchfork? I got this special torch ready that I thought I could use to put fire to something. :D
Good call by Eclypsia. Imagine this happening at your regular job. It would be really unfair to those playing daily, joining cups and streaming as much as possible if Eclypsia kept paying Sjow's salary, as in.. a total smack in the face. If you allow Sjow to slack and get paid, Eclypsia should allow everybody in the team to slack and get paid too.. I don't see how that is good for the team however ...
And for all the people asking for a link to the website:
Not sure if mentioned but........ Sjow playing some dota2 with Select on Sneyking's stream. I'm assuming we are going to expect a thread similar to SC and Select soon. (speculation, not fact!)
On October 24 2012 01:32 ReachTheSky wrote: Whatever. I don't even see the need to make this public. Why don't you keep internal problems on the inside and not use this as an excuse to try and gain EC some publicity. Your public relations needs some training as we've seen in the past, and now present. Someone get a hold of Incontrol.
Imo, they made the announcement public so that it could be explained properly. Had they decided to keep it to themselves, and somehow it got out that sjow wasnt getting paid for 30days people would freak out and the drama would be 10 times worse until eclypsia explained themselves. At least now people know up front that sjow is not being paid due to him not playing SC2.
Seems pretty pointless to tell the public about this internal matter. Seems like they are trying to put pressure on Sjow by taking it public. Very odd way to deal with a personnel matter in your organization lol. If Sjow didnt have advance warning this would be a public suspension that would make it even more bizarre. The Stephano situation only warranted a thread because he did something in public that he shouldn't have.
He should just retire. Can't stay on the fence forever, at one point you go to one side or the other. And there is nothing more to be had for Sjow on the professional Starcraft side of the fence.
Sjow is right now on stream at http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/spela/esport/article15655870.ab saying how he has not been playing SC2 at all basically for quite some time. Seems like he is officially going to leave SC2 progaming very soon even though he is playing in this tournament. He said he just enjoys coming to the event for other reasons, not for playing.
Another free ticket not to play an amazing player such as Sjow. I hope that SC2 continues to die as the competitive scene is being overthrown by DOTA and LoL each and every day. Such a a shitty imbalanced game and people pour thousands of hours into the game yet they still get treated like a Chinese Sweat shop worker because they made a mistake like any human would.
On October 28 2012 05:05 ellirc wrote: Sjow is right now on stream at http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/spela/esport/article15655870.ab saying how he has not been playing SC2 at all basically for quite some time. Seems like he is officially going to leave SC2 progaming very soon even though he is playing in this tournament. He said he just enjoys coming to the event for other reasons, not for playing.
Looks like people can put their pitchforks down and eclypsia was right in suspending sjow as it looks like he plans to quit anyways, so shouldn't be paid for not playing.
On October 28 2012 05:10 Sovern wrote: Another free ticket not to play an amazing player such as Sjow. I hope that SC2 continues to die as the competitive scene is being overthrown by DOTA and LoL each and every day. Such a a shitty imbalanced game and people pour thousands of hours into the game yet they still get treated like a Chinese Sweat shop worker because they made a mistake like any human would.
Sjow should switch ti DOTA, fuck SC2.
So if that's how you feel ... why are you posting on this site?
EPT
Again, not saying I'm any different, and maybe it goes for you as well.
