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Hellboy.100
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia135 Posts
October 23 2012 16:40 GMT
#21
I think some not so trustworthy teams will now do what ''EG did to Stephano'', just to not pay someone for 30 days with some lame excuse why...
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
October 23 2012 16:41 GMT
#22
Sjow suspended because he's not good enough? Can you even do that? If a player doesn't perform it doesn't really matter, you signed the contract, you have to eat the cost. If you don't think he's good enough than release him after the contract expires, but suspending him because of poor results is not good enough grounds to not honour your contract.
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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
October 23 2012 16:43 GMT
#23
LOL wait what? Now players are suspended for not winning tournaments?
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
October 23 2012 16:43 GMT
#24
SarenS don't you feel bad working for Eclypsia?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
October 23 2012 16:44 GMT
#25
So by not paying him because he wasn't motivated... he's going to be more motivated to play?

Oh okay.

::shrugs:: Good luck with that.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 16:45:36
October 23 2012 16:44 GMT
#26
"Our player does not perform, so lets just suspend him and bash him in an official statement" - Eclypsia surely stays the biggest joke team out there.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 16:47:30
October 23 2012 16:45 GMT
#27
Someone at Eclypsia took the 'Every PR is good PR' too heart.

This should have been handled intern, not publicly.

Also I want to hear Sjow's side of this. Is there actually a contract which allows you to not pay your player for not winning everything?
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#28
You don't need to publicly punish him to punish him for not being more public (with tournaments)

Seriously, if no one is asking about him, you don't need to tell us what you're punishing him for, youre just bringing more bad press.
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Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
October 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#29
learn to read dudes. he is suspended for not participating in any tournament, for not streaming, for not going to ministry of win house.... he doesn't even try. you can't pay a player who is afk, that's retarded.
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
October 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#30
On October 24 2012 01:44 soiii wrote:
"Our player does no perform, so lets just suspend him and bash him in an official statement" - Eclypsia surely stays the biggest joke team out there.

If he's lazy and bad then he should be thankful that it is only a suspension.

More teams should do this IMO. So many contracted players just sit on their ass waiting for divine intervention to give them "teh skills".
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Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 16:47:42
October 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#31
Wow publically suspending their own player in public with something that could just be handled internally... I feel bad for Sjow. If hes having motivation problems, suspending him won't help things.

Try hard or don't try at all.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
October 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#32
Is it not brutal to suspend a progamer considering majority of them if not all of them except 2-3 koreans at best do not make all that much money?

I understand agreements and such but 30 days without any pay in a field that already pays peanuts and a glass of water is pretty rough, hard to motivate people that way
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Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
October 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#33
Should be reworded, suspending a player for not showing poorly is sketchy, but I can't say it's completely unreasonable. However if you're going to announce a suspension, I would probably leave out the parts that are debatable if you have other, more mainstream reasons. For instance: Not streaming to prove an increased practice routine, if it was part of an agreement, is a considerably more reasonable explanation for a suspension.

Aside from creating publicity, I don't see any reason to announce a suspension unless it was brought upon by negative actions that need to be addressed by the player and/or management. Just creates more bad blood unnecessarily.
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Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
October 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#34
I think we're reaching the point where there will be some turnover in rosters.
MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
October 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#35
Hipster EG : Suspended their players before it was cool
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#36
Eclypsia and drama seems to go hand in hand
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
October 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#37
On October 24 2012 01:47 Tyree wrote:
Is it not brutal to suspend a progamer considering majority of them if not all of them except 2-3 koreans at best do not make all that much money?

I understand agreements and such but 30 days without any pay in a field that already pays peanuts and a glass of water is pretty rough, hard to motivate people that way

The reverse is also true: If there's not much money to go around then sitting on your ass and not respecting commitments makes it a lot worse of an offense.
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#38
Sjow was really solid in early 2011. Wonder if he'll ever return to form.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 16:50:11
October 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#39
You want your players to stream their training, well that's a bad decision, Mr. Eclypsia. That's all I have to say about this. Unless your so-called training is mindless laddering.

@Sjow: you've become a puppet, man. Really unfortunate.
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 16:50:55
October 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#40
On October 24 2012 01:47 Insoleet wrote:
learn to read dudes. he is suspended for not participating in any tournament, for not streaming, for not going to ministry of win house.... he doesn't even try. you can't pay a player who is afk, that's retarded.


Correct. Work on reading comprehension people. He's not being suspended for losing tournaments (LOL) he's being suspended because he agreed to be more active, and he isn't. If you tell your employer you're going to do something, and then you don't, you're not going to get paid. Simple as that.

edit: I don't necessarily agree with airing it out in public, but don't get the reasons wrong. I mean, yeah, it's Eclypsia, but try not and judge them too hard lol
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