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On October 24 2012 01:39 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 01:36 PixelNite wrote:On October 24 2012 01:34 FuriousGool wrote:
This team... my god. Tbh, the team is really improving, and Sjow did not do anything relevant in the past months. Doesn't change the fact that anything posted about Eclypsia or regarding Eclypsia has NEVER been good or positive. Aside from their opening post about the launch of the team :/
Hmmm yeah fair point. In Eclypsia's position, suspending a player might be useless and only bad press yeah.
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my god, drama again, let's go
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The problem is if they handle that internally Sjow can always come out and say hey they don't pay me like they are supposed to and they gonna look really bad even if they explain it like they did now so they were kind of forced to make this public given their reputation.
Regarding the suspension itself I am not sure if it's the right move. Sjow might have not given what he promised (streaming, practicing hard, etc) but I am not sure that you have to suspend him because of that. This should be the last step because it really hurts the relationship between team and player.
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The only reason I can see for them doing this is to head off any claims from SjoW that they were not paying him. Or they are preparing for the moment when they have to cut him lose and want to avoid the blow back.
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Suspending players is one way for Eclypsia to make news and seem relevant I suppose.
Such a joke team.
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My thoughts on it, is that like, if they didn't post anything, say for instance Sjow makes a post about Eclypsia being shit etc etc and gives a bunch of stats like no pay etc. Then if Eclypsia were to contest it, it would probably look worse on them, so I guess bringing it out in the open just to sort of give them a leg to stand on if things get a bit out of hand. I'm not sure, either way I like Sjow and hope things work out for him.
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On October 24 2012 01:47 Insoleet wrote:
learn to read dudes. he is suspended for not participating in any tournament, for not streaming, for not going to ministry of win house.... he doesn't even try. you can't pay a player who is afk, that's retarded.
figures, only 3 people in this thread had this outlook on the situation, rather than the more likely "eclypsia is a joke" (which i agree with). 2 were from france.
i guess this is why french businesses in general and rules of contracts in france and between french entities and external entities are a fucking joke. they tolerate shitty behavior. is it a cultural thing in france that businesses are allowed to be fucking jokes and not play by any semblance of rules? i know businesses around the world break rules but they at least have to do it in secret and do get caught/punished. i see people from multiple countries including other europeans disgusted with their behavior.
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Posting in tl for publicity for no reason is so unintelligible, u could just post it on your own website and hope someone posts it here, but now it makes you look very bad.
Also I do understand that EC wanted to hire sjow due his past achievements and his fame, but now he has not lived up to the former self at all.
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On October 24 2012 01:49 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 01:47 Insoleet wrote:
learn to read dudes. he is suspended for not participating in any tournament, for not streaming, for not going to ministry of win house.... he doesn't even try. you can't pay a player who is afk, that's retarded. Correct. Work on reading comprehension people. He's not being suspended for losing tournaments (LOL) he's being suspended because he agreed to be more active, and he isn't. If you tell your employer you're going to do something, and then you don't, you're not going to get paid. Simple as that. edit: I don't necessarily agree with airing it out in public, but don't get the reasons wrong. I mean, yeah, it's Eclypsia, but try not and judge them too hard  lol
If you feel like that simply cut the ties and don't reveal the reason to the public. Every professional team does that. Hurting the player in such way is just childish.
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Agree with this move if true... you deserve what you work for, and if that's nothing, then nothing is what you get. This is not about RESULTS per se, but that he doesn't even seem to be participating from what they're saying. We'll see if Sjow makes any response.
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On October 24 2012 01:52 soiii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 01:49 Torenhire wrote:On October 24 2012 01:47 Insoleet wrote:
learn to read dudes. he is suspended for not participating in any tournament, for not streaming, for not going to ministry of win house.... he doesn't even try. you can't pay a player who is afk, that's retarded. Correct. Work on reading comprehension people. He's not being suspended for losing tournaments (LOL) he's being suspended because he agreed to be more active, and he isn't. If you tell your employer you're going to do something, and then you don't, you're not going to get paid. Simple as that. edit: I don't necessarily agree with airing it out in public, but don't get the reasons wrong. I mean, yeah, it's Eclypsia, but try not and judge them too hard lol If you feel like that simply cut the ties and don't reveal the reason to the public. Every professional team does that. Hurting the player in such way is just childisch.
The problem is that there is nothing to stop SjoW from bashing them in public if they cut him lose quietly. In a community where the person who speaks first can convince a lot of people that he is right, there is good reason to do this publicly.
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I didn't even know that he got paid in the first place, did this really require a public announcement?
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I can understand the reasons, but I really don't think it's annoncement worthy.
Just suspend him, tell him about it. The community is not tied to this, we don't need to know.
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Because it's Eclypsia they're gonna get bashed but if was someone else it'd be alright.
Sjow's struck me as the money-hungry type leaving Dignitas in search of a better salary, couldn't find one so he re-signs and then leaves them for greener grass. (not so green now) This is not public-worthy news, should of kept it internal.
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On October 24 2012 01:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Why are you bashing your own player in a public forum ? This does not seem worthy of a post at all.
Yea I don't get this.
The EG / Stephano stuff was damage control and PR. It was already public and they had to do something.
This is just... I don't get it. Someone didn't do what they said they would do so you're not paying them for a month? Why is that public information?
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Sjow at the moment is not playing SC2. This means we cannot pay him for being a SC2 player.
If SjoW wants to come back and play we will be glad to continue. If he doesn't however he will not be a paid member of Eclypsia. We believe we can resolve the issue so at the moment we have just ordered a suspension rather than removal.
If SjoW wants to leave the team he is free to go. If he wants to return he is more than welcome but as it stands we cannot pay somebody who is not playing the game they are paid for.
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On October 24 2012 01:26 SarenS wrote:
Jeffrey “Sjow” Brusi has been suspended without pay for a 30 days period. This decision was made by Eclypsia following the player’s breach of trust.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience it may cause but we feel strongly about punishing a player who has not honored any of the commitments he had signed up for.
As you may have noticed (or unnoticed actually), Sjow has been absent from the European scene since he has joined Eclypsia. He has only played few tournaments and we can’t but regret his lack of results and motivation. Some may for example remember his elimination from the Battle at Ministry of Win in August right from the first group stage on a 0-2/1-4 score.
Sjow asked Eclypsia to have him join the Ministry of Win in September 2012. He had then committed to increase his gaming level and be more visible online. He was indeed supposed to stream his trainings.
We are today very sorry to admit none of these commitments were or are being honored. We really wish for this period to be enough to receive from our player a satisfying answer. We still hope to see Sjow at the top very soon.
Ruurk's statement:
Sjow at the moment is not playing SC2. This means we cannot pay him for being a SC2 player.
If SjoW wants to come back and play we will be glad to continue. If he doesn't however he will not be a paid member of Eclypsia. We believe we can resolve the issue so at the moment we have just ordered a suspension rather than removal.
If SjoW wants to leave the team he is free to go. If he wants to return he is more than welcome but as it stands we cannot pay somebody who is not playing the game they are paid for.
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On October 24 2012 01:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 01:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Why are you bashing your own player in a public forum ? This does not seem worthy of a post at all. Yea I don't get this. The EG / Stephano stuff was damage control and PR. It was already public and they had to do something. This is just... I don't get it. Someone didn't do what they said they would do so you're not paying them for a month? Why is that public information?
So fans know whats up?
sorry for double post.
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