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On October 23 2012 10:18 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:12 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 10:08 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 10:05 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:47 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 09:45 EMIYA wrote:
MMA deserves better. Go to EG or liquid.
Honestly, he did a bit wrong too, like being too pensive and sensitive enough to not confront these communication break downs as they appeared, but I don't really blame him too much--its pretty much how the their culture works half the time. Refuses to pay his Coach who won him the GSL. Deserves better, good logic. Yet some refuse to believe it. Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too. Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event. I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general. To you, maybe. But to many people, she needs to provide evidence or Coach Ryu's testimony/affidavit to prove it beyond doubt. Like you said, right now it's just "she said that he said that". That's hardly an evidence and would be laughed at in court. That's the thing. She already mentioned that she has the evidences to back up her claims and will go to court if necessary. But, i don't know if you read some of the previous articles, she does not want to downright kill Crank's and MMA's careers which is why she's only asking for an apology and nothing else. I mean your opinion does not matter at all whether Jessica and the involved members go to court, but you can continue to doubt whatever. But they apologized already, and she continues. What you say doesn't make sense, sorry. You say she doesn't want to kill Crank and MMA's career. I really wonder what is she doing right now if it's not that. The phone call contain zero information, but still people are buying it as "evidence". evidence of what ? Crank's statement contained exactly what the phone call confirms. But it's JEssica that released it, so people just think automatically that it makes her right even tho it contains nothing. Seriously this thread is infuriating me.
This, plus Jessica has a long history of doing shit like this. Stirring up drama, blaming other people for her bad management decisions, distorting the truth for her own benefit. The only reason people still take her seriously is because she's boxers wife.
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On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure.
That's exactly what it was. Emotional maturity isn't usually finished developing at their age and this is an important point to remember.
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On October 23 2012 10:21 th3_great wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:18 monkybone wrote:
People in here seems to have grave misconceptions about the mental maturity of a person in their mid 20's. hey if youre old enough to be sent to another country to kill people, youre old enough to handle yourself in a starcraft 2 team. Seriously though, im 21 and i wouldnt know what they hell id do if i were in the players' situation. If i think about the 'life experiences' ive had up to this point in my life, i can only say university. thats it. and some of these people gave up educations so they could play sc2 (im presuming), so i dont why people are expecting anything more from these people.
Ummm, suck it up? KeSpa players are younger than that age and they still managed to hold their position with even more extreme conditions and training regime set up by their coaches. You don't see them complaining. As matter of fact, kespa players are usually very respectful to the elders. And IdrA have said that SlayerS are treated better than KesPa team members, so they have no right to complain. For fuck's sake, BoxeR himself recruited you on his team. The one that brought progaming into motion. Yet you show no gratitude towards him when he have experienced much worse and you are really being treated much better than your programer peers belonging to other teams.
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On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure.
I am not talking about how they act tough.
I am just so god dam tired about the "they are just children, only 24 years old"
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On October 23 2012 10:26 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:24 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:22 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 10:19 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:16 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 10:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. Says who? Says life. Unless you're the sort to wear diapers, be spoon-fed and watch Scooby Doo at the age of 21. -crack- The human brain does not fully develop (mature) until around age twenty five, and of course you wouldn't get used to that right away - it's a gradual process; usually not complete until one is around age thirty. And not a single fuck was given this day The point still stands, and that abuse was just uncalled for. Nice job quickly editing it out before anyone noticed. You can't expect people to act more mature than they actually are. Guess next time at the kindergarden i won't greet the girls working there anymore, could very well be that they're not actually working there, but taken care of. According to some people here at least. Because, you see, some of them are even under 20!
Real cute.
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On October 23 2012 10:24 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:18 babylon wrote:On October 23 2012 10:16 Zocat wrote:On October 23 2012 10:14 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:13 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. It's sad is what it is. Let's not forget this Manager J taking advantage of everyone's trust in him to accomplish...well what DID he want to accomplish? Who knows, but it was still completely messed up. We haven't heard his side of the story, it seems very far fetched that he was just in it to stir up trouble. He's currently a scapegoat, and that's very suspicious. I doubt we ever will - we don't even know who he is - but he still essentially took advantage of MMA and no matter what the motivation, that's not right. Everybody knows who he is: Hui-Chul "Garfield"' Jung Wait, this guy? Hui-Chul “Garfield” Jung was born in 1985 in Germany. Since 2005, Hui-Chul has been the Head Manager of Korean gaming team Lunatic-Hai. Since joining the e-sports community in 2001, Hui-Chul has witnessed e-sports become more professional, more interesting, and more prestigious. He sees the development of e-sports as a very positive and valuable experience. By joining the Revolutionary Council and helping to develop and improve the structures in e-sport, he hopes that everyone else is able to enjoy the same great experiences he did. -- Wikipedia Yes. If you look at his SK Gaming profile you also see a "Part of Team SlayerS" at the bottom. He also fits the rest of the profile (fluent in English, German, Korean) the German part also explains his football skills  There's also an interview around where he states "I also have been working for Razer for the past 1 1/2 years as a project coordinator." so there's his Razer connection (ex employee of Razer).
Wow, he has quite the resume. I'm ... well, shocked.
Funny that he's barely getting roughed up as badly as the players though, lol. I think even ESF got roughed up more than he did. Maybe it's just because he seems like a foregone conclusion and people really don't give a fuck about him because he's already proven guilty, whatever, let's go find fresh meat~
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On October 23 2012 10:28 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure. I am not talking about how they act tough. I am just so god dam tired about the "they are just children, only 24 years old"
Tired of the truth?
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On October 23 2012 10:29 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:28 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure. I am not talking about how they act tough. I am just so god dam tired about the "they are just children, only 24 years old" Tired of the truth?
24 is not children anymore, find me any country in the world that considers otherwise except in your own head and i give you right.
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On October 23 2012 10:26 Ghola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:18 MrCon wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 10:08 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 10:05 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:47 Mackus wrote:
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Refuses to pay his Coach who won him the GSL. Deserves better, good logic.
Yet some refuse to believe it. Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too. Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event. I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general. To you, maybe. But to many people, she needs to provide evidence or Coach Ryu's testimony/affidavit to prove it beyond doubt. Like you said, right now it's just "she said that he said that". That's hardly an evidence and would be laughed at in court. That's the thing. She already mentioned that she has the evidences to back up her claims and will go to court if necessary. But, i don't know if you read some of the previous articles, she does not want to downright kill Crank's and MMA's careers which is why she's only asking for an apology and nothing else. I mean your opinion does not matter at all whether Jessica and the involved members go to court, but you can continue to doubt whatever. But they apologized already, and she continues. What you say doesn't make sense, sorry. You say she doesn't want to kill Crank and MMA's career. I really wonder what is she doing right now if it's not that. The phone call contain zero information, but still people are buying it as "evidence". evidence of what ? Crank's statement contained exactly what the phone call confirms. But it's JEssica that released it, so people just think automatically that it makes her right even tho it contains nothing. Seriously this thread is infuriating me. This, plus Jessica has a long history of doing shit like this. Stirring up drama, blaming other people for her bad management decisions, distorting the truth for her own benefit. The only reason people take her seriously is because she's boxers wife.
There's only been three of those events.
One was with Dragon leaving, but she was right in that one.
Second was with Eve's pictures put on porn, so she was right to call out those persons and possibly sue them.
Third was Crank leaving the team and publicly asking for a foreign team on his stream the very same day, even though he explicitly said he wouldn't do that. So she's right again.
You can say that she creates drama, but rightly so, people have been abusive to her and her players.
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On October 23 2012 10:29 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:29 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:28 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure. I am not talking about how they act tough. I am just so god dam tired about the "they are just children, only 24 years old" Tired of the truth? 24 is not children anymore, find me any country in the world that considers otherwise except in your own head and i give you right.
Ah you're talking legally.
It's amazing that an arbitrary number (a wrong arbitrary number, by the way, Crank and MMA are both twenty THREE, not twenty four) makes people think that suddenly, magically, everyone is supposed to know exactly how to act in exactly every kind of situation when their brains aren't even finished developing fully.
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Oh God.....its great to see MMA being interveiwed and asked so many questions.
Hope this drama is solved soon......make eSports a good, bright thing to have instead of all this fighting
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On October 23 2012 10:24 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:22 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 10:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:06 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:
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THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on? None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of. They do, they give the means for a GSTL victory, and the better the things I named are, the more likely you do achieve a victory. To say otherwise is just ridiculously shortsighted. While other teams may also have them, they were in no way living as extravagantly as Slayers was (in comparison ofcourse). There is no correlation between living extravagantly and winning GSTL. Oh, where's your statistical evidence for such? I can atleast cite psychological evidence if you'd like, but I'd rather do that via PM as to not go off-topic here. If you'd like those facts, contact me and I'll give you numerous in a day or so. Let me rephrase - there is no evidence that a correlation exists. I have no interest in sifting through random psychology articles that you think apply to the situation at hand. If you have evidence from within the realm of Starcraft, I'd be happy to see those. I don't need evidence within the realm of Starcraft to prove my point. There is statistical evidence that proves a relation between living environment and sport results. Or any result for that matter really.
You certainly do - because if there is an obvious mismatch between "statistical evidence" you mean to provide and what happens in the realm of Starcraft, then your evidence is not applicable.
It turns out that the highest skilled and most successful Starcraft 2 players are on the lower end of comfort, income, security and support (or at least have been before all their major accomplishments).
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On October 23 2012 10:30 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:26 Ghola wrote:On October 23 2012 10:18 MrCon wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 10:08 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 10:05 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 mongmong wrote:
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Yet some refuse to believe it.
Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too. Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event. I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general. To you, maybe. But to many people, she needs to provide evidence or Coach Ryu's testimony/affidavit to prove it beyond doubt. Like you said, right now it's just "she said that he said that". That's hardly an evidence and would be laughed at in court. That's the thing. She already mentioned that she has the evidences to back up her claims and will go to court if necessary. But, i don't know if you read some of the previous articles, she does not want to downright kill Crank's and MMA's careers which is why she's only asking for an apology and nothing else. I mean your opinion does not matter at all whether Jessica and the involved members go to court, but you can continue to doubt whatever. But they apologized already, and she continues. What you say doesn't make sense, sorry. You say she doesn't want to kill Crank and MMA's career. I really wonder what is she doing right now if it's not that. The phone call contain zero information, but still people are buying it as "evidence". evidence of what ? Crank's statement contained exactly what the phone call confirms. But it's JEssica that released it, so people just think automatically that it makes her right even tho it contains nothing. Seriously this thread is infuriating me. This, plus Jessica has a long history of doing shit like this. Stirring up drama, blaming other people for her bad management decisions, distorting the truth for her own benefit. The only reason people take her seriously is because she's boxers wife. There's only been three of those events. One was with Dragon leaving, but she was right in that one. Second was with Eve's pictures put on porn, so she was right to call out those persons and possibly sue them. Third was Crank leaving the team and publicly asking for a foreign team on his stream the very same day, even though he explicitly said he wouldn't do that. So she's right again. You can say that she creates drama, but rightly so, people have been abusive to her and her players.
According to Cellas recent Twitter Crank did say that he was going to leave the team before this happened. So the last point might not no longer be considered as "truth", until more stuff unfolds... which it will given how things have gone so far...
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On October 23 2012 10:28 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:26 m4inbrain wrote:On October 23 2012 10:24 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:22 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 10:19 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:16 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 10:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. Says who? Says life. Unless you're the sort to wear diapers, be spoon-fed and watch Scooby Doo at the age of 21. -crack- The human brain does not fully develop (mature) until around age twenty five, and of course you wouldn't get used to that right away - it's a gradual process; usually not complete until one is around age thirty. And not a single fuck was given this day The point still stands, and that abuse was just uncalled for. Nice job quickly editing it out before anyone noticed. You can't expect people to act more mature than they actually are. Guess next time at the kindergarden i won't greet the girls working there anymore, could very well be that they're not actually working there, but taken care of. According to some people here at least. Because, you see, some of them are even under 20! Real cute.
I know, right?
Lets talk real here. If you really consider a 24 year old man a kid, you will not go far in life. You're 21 now, believe me: if you try to sit stuff out because "you're just 21", well, good luck.
I just don't get how single mums with kids and job at age 23 can make it. You know, taking responsibility and think. Also, even if you were right, the development of your brain doesn't even matter. The intelligence and "learning experience" is done by that point. A normal 24yo is working his ass off (if he is a decent person) to create a path for his life. Not a whiny manchild.
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On October 23 2012 10:17 boxturtle wrote:
I can't believe that the Koreans are really involving CranK in this. MMA acted like a diva, Alicia flat out did bad things, Jessica acted like an insane diva, and Boxer acted like a negligent father, CranK left the team discretely. Anywhere else in the world, CranK would have had literally no (0) culpability.
The only reason why CranK is a target is because Jessica is petty, insane, ego maniacal and he insulted her over a telephone message where she was telling him she was going to destroy his career. This makes no sense. He doesn't deserve to be on her hit list but with Koreans being 10x as witch hunty as the rest of the internet, he's taking the blows. I hope TB and CranK know that we support them
I tend to agree with you. I hope Crank can learn from this experience and become stronger
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On October 23 2012 10:32 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:29 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:29 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:28 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure. I am not talking about how they act tough. I am just so god dam tired about the "they are just children, only 24 years old" Tired of the truth? 24 is not children anymore, find me any country in the world that considers otherwise except in your own head and i give you right. Ah you're talking legally. It's amazing that an arbitrary number (a wrong arbitrary number, by the way, Crank and MMA are both twenty THREE, not twenty four) makes people think that suddenly, magically, everyone is supposed to know exactly how to act in exactly every kind of situation when their brains aren't even finished developing fully.
Brains are actually fully developed by the age of 23, the only thing that may not have fully developed by that age is a certain state of awareness and thought process, I'm not sure what it's called in english though, I'd have to look that up. Anyway, point being, that state of awareness and thought process only develops in the minority of people.
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On October 23 2012 10:32 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:29 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:29 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:28 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:23 Assirra wrote:On October 23 2012 10:15 monkybone wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. What a ridiculous claim. Maturity comes with age, but you can't decide when. And yet at a certain age you are considered an adult and by that also need to act mature. Dunno how old it is in Korea but doubt higher then 24. Acting mature, and dealing with these kinds of situations maturely are two completely different things. This is not what I call acting immature, it's what I call giving in to emotional pressure. I am not talking about how they act tough. I am just so god dam tired about the "they are just children, only 24 years old" Tired of the truth? 24 is not children anymore, find me any country in the world that considers otherwise except in your own head and i give you right. Ah you're talking legally. It's amazing that an arbitrary number (a wrong arbitrary number, by the way, Crank and MMA are both twenty THREE, not twenty four) makes people think that suddenly, magically, everyone is supposed to know exactly how to act in exactly every kind of situation when their brains aren't even finished developing fully.
I thought it was the personal responsibility of people themselves to be mature, and if you aren't then it's your responsibility thus you suffer the consequences of it. This is such a bull shit argument. You are talking about MMA who's made how much money complaining about not getting private driving from and to air ports? I can name bloody business executives who take care of their own airport transport or take public transit to work. All of their so called allegations of mistreatment have come up with pathetic excuses.
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On October 23 2012 10:34 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:30 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:26 Ghola wrote:On October 23 2012 10:18 MrCon wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 10:08 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 10:05 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:
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Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too. Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event. I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general. To you, maybe. But to many people, she needs to provide evidence or Coach Ryu's testimony/affidavit to prove it beyond doubt. Like you said, right now it's just "she said that he said that". That's hardly an evidence and would be laughed at in court. That's the thing. She already mentioned that she has the evidences to back up her claims and will go to court if necessary. But, i don't know if you read some of the previous articles, she does not want to downright kill Crank's and MMA's careers which is why she's only asking for an apology and nothing else. I mean your opinion does not matter at all whether Jessica and the involved members go to court, but you can continue to doubt whatever. But they apologized already, and she continues. What you say doesn't make sense, sorry. You say she doesn't want to kill Crank and MMA's career. I really wonder what is she doing right now if it's not that. The phone call contain zero information, but still people are buying it as "evidence". evidence of what ? Crank's statement contained exactly what the phone call confirms. But it's JEssica that released it, so people just think automatically that it makes her right even tho it contains nothing. Seriously this thread is infuriating me. This, plus Jessica has a long history of doing shit like this. Stirring up drama, blaming other people for her bad management decisions, distorting the truth for her own benefit. The only reason people take her seriously is because she's boxers wife. There's only been three of those events. One was with Dragon leaving, but she was right in that one. Second was with Eve's pictures put on porn, so she was right to call out those persons and possibly sue them. Third was Crank leaving the team and publicly asking for a foreign team on his stream the very same day, even though he explicitly said he wouldn't do that. So she's right again. You can say that she creates drama, but rightly so, people have been abusive to her and her players. According to Cellas recent Twitter Crank did say that he was going to leave the team before this happened. So the last point might not no longer be considered as "truth", until more stuff unfolds... which it will given how things have gone so far...
Read it again, it's not that he didn't say he would leave, it's the reasons and explanation he gave when leaving.
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On October 23 2012 10:34 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:28 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:26 m4inbrain wrote:On October 23 2012 10:24 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:22 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 10:19 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:16 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 10:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20. Says who? Says life. Unless you're the sort to wear diapers, be spoon-fed and watch Scooby Doo at the age of 21. -crack- The human brain does not fully develop (mature) until around age twenty five, and of course you wouldn't get used to that right away - it's a gradual process; usually not complete until one is around age thirty. And not a single fuck was given this day The point still stands, and that abuse was just uncalled for. Nice job quickly editing it out before anyone noticed. You can't expect people to act more mature than they actually are. Guess next time at the kindergarden i won't greet the girls working there anymore, could very well be that they're not actually working there, but taken care of. According to some people here at least. Because, you see, some of them are even under 20! Real cute. I know, right? Lets talk real here. If you really consider a 24 year old man a kid, you will not go far in life. You're 21 now, believe me: if you try to sit stuff out because "you're just 21", well, good luck. I just don't get how single mums with kids and job at age 23 can make it. You know, taking responsibility and think. Also, even if you were right, the development of your brain doesn't even matter. The intelligence and "learning experience" is done by that point. A normal 24yo is working his ass off (if he is a decent person) to create a path for his life. Not a whiny manchild.
Learning experience is never finished; what are you talking about...
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