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On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:47 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 09:45 EMIYA wrote:
MMA deserves better. Go to EG or liquid.
Honestly, he did a bit wrong too, like being too pensive and sensitive enough to not confront these communication break downs as they appeared, but I don't really blame him too much--its pretty much how the their culture works half the time. Refuses to pay his Coach who won him the GSL. Deserves better, good logic. Yet some refuse to believe it. Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too.
Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event.
I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general.
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On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 Jindo wrote:On October 23 2012 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:
No matter how you look at this everything goes back to Slayers having a bad manager/bad training environment/jessica.
If the team was run properly none of this would have happened and everyone would be happy, MMA would probably have a few more GSL's under his belt, Boxer might not have left to coach, and Slayers wouldn't have had to die. Yeah, she was a good manager when Slayers won GSTL two times. But now, she's terrible. THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on?
None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of.
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On October 23 2012 10:01 Waxangel wrote:
the phone call is boring, so here's cella's twitter stream of thought
if it's hard to read, then it's because I translated it without thinking to fix his rambling to a more readable form
@SlayersCella
I wasn't going to write about the recent news if I could avoid it - Crank said that he would leave the team at the end of the season [Note: probably means GSTL/GSL], and asked that I keep it a secret from Jessica for the time being. When he abruptly began to pack his things before the vs. TSL match, and I asked him what he was doing, he said that he planned to go home and play while resting. So I asked him if I could tell Jessica, and he said that he was going to tell her -
- so I guess he told her, she asked me whether it was okay for him to play from home. I replied that he had a prepared strategy for the vs. Fnatic game that he had not used, so it was no problem if he played from home, so we had talked to Jessica and it was fully okay to send him home -
- Also, Crank definitely said that he was leaving the team at the end of the season, and we were in the middle of the season then. He asked if it was okay to play from home, and I said it as okay, and because he said he was leaving the team after the season ended, I thought obviously there would be no problem for him to play in the match, and he was very well prepared as well. So I thought it was fine if he went home to rest and practice -
- and have a final check-up on him after he rejoined the team the day before the match. It was a strategy he had practiced for almost two weeks, so he was as used to it as possible. However, when Crank received the contact regarding entries/roster when he was at home, he complained to me asking why Jessica would do that, so I asked him what the problem was? -
- and he asked me "are you asking because you really don't know?" and I told him I really didn't know, to which he said then "well if you don't know, just keep it that way." I hadn't heard a request to remove himself from the roster befoer that, nor did he tell me that he was going to focus solely on medical care. -
*[Cella's Self Correction Tweet] A correction, he did definitely ask to be removed from the roster. After he went back home. He asked to be removed from the roster before going back home, he would have had to had discussed it with Jessica. Because it was mid-season, I thought even if he went back home he could play in the match, and anyway I passed on that request to Jessica later. -
- At the time, I had made a bad decision because of my attachment to the team, and I think I contributed to the team heading towards a crisis, and I was criticized heavily by Boxer and Jessica after that. As for that bad decision, I don't want anything to happen to the players, so I'll just take the criticism that I'm covering things up, and shut my mouth about it. -
- Regarding payment, I'm not financially well off, but I'm thankful to Boxer and Jessica for taking in a guy like me, and I did make my own personal goals for what I wanted to achieve with the team. The motivation to reach those goals wasn't money or anything material -
- I told Jessica and Boxer when the team situation and atmosphere wasn't that good, that I could work for the team for two more years, until I was 31, without anything like a salary, and do what I could to achieve those goals. If there wasn't a corporate sponsor by that time, or if the team disbanded before then -
- I said I could go abroad and work myself to death to make up the money I hadn't made before, so they didn't have to worry. Compared to $100,000's they put into the team. Also, that time was just a very bad period, and Boxer and Jessica tried to get me a coaching position on a different team, and I said I wouldn't go -
Doesn't this put Crank out in the clear? The whole reason that Crank was a part of this in the first place was because he "illegally" left the team, but since it already was known that he was leaving...?
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On October 23 2012 10:06 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 Jindo wrote:On October 23 2012 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:
No matter how you look at this everything goes back to Slayers having a bad manager/bad training environment/jessica.
If the team was run properly none of this would have happened and everyone would be happy, MMA would probably have a few more GSL's under his belt, Boxer might not have left to coach, and Slayers wouldn't have had to die. Yeah, she was a good manager when Slayers won GSTL two times. But now, she's terrible. THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on? None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of.
Coaching... leadership... prescence of m'fing boxer... Planning... Changing team rosters... Changing lineups / training...
By your logic the IM roster should win every GSTL ever regardless of what team it was.
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On October 23 2012 10:07 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:01 Waxangel wrote:
the phone call is boring, so here's cella's twitter stream of thought
if it's hard to read, then it's because I translated it without thinking to fix his rambling to a more readable form
@SlayersCella
I wasn't going to write about the recent news if I could avoid it - Crank said that he would leave the team at the end of the season [Note: probably means GSTL/GSL], and asked that I keep it a secret from Jessica for the time being. When he abruptly began to pack his things before the vs. TSL match, and I asked him what he was doing, he said that he planned to go home and play while resting. So I asked him if I could tell Jessica, and he said that he was going to tell her -
- so I guess he told her, she asked me whether it was okay for him to play from home. I replied that he had a prepared strategy for the vs. Fnatic game that he had not used, so it was no problem if he played from home, so we had talked to Jessica and it was fully okay to send him home -
- Also, Crank definitely said that he was leaving the team at the end of the season, and we were in the middle of the season then. He asked if it was okay to play from home, and I said it as okay, and because he said he was leaving the team after the season ended, I thought obviously there would be no problem for him to play in the match, and he was very well prepared as well. So I thought it was fine if he went home to rest and practice -
- and have a final check-up on him after he rejoined the team the day before the match. It was a strategy he had practiced for almost two weeks, so he was as used to it as possible. However, when Crank received the contact regarding entries/roster when he was at home, he complained to me asking why Jessica would do that, so I asked him what the problem was? -
- and he asked me "are you asking because you really don't know?" and I told him I really didn't know, to which he said then "well if you don't know, just keep it that way." I hadn't heard a request to remove himself from the roster befoer that, nor did he tell me that he was going to focus solely on medical care. -
*[Cella's Self Correction Tweet] A correction, he did definitely ask to be removed from the roster. After he went back home. He asked to be removed from the roster before going back home, he would have had to had discussed it with Jessica. Because it was mid-season, I thought even if he went back home he could play in the match, and anyway I passed on that request to Jessica later. -
- At the time, I had made a bad decision because of my attachment to the team, and I think I contributed to the team heading towards a crisis, and I was criticized heavily by Boxer and Jessica after that. As for that bad decision, I don't want anything to happen to the players, so I'll just take the criticism that I'm covering things up, and shut my mouth about it. -
- Regarding payment, I'm not financially well off, but I'm thankful to Boxer and Jessica for taking in a guy like me, and I did make my own personal goals for what I wanted to achieve with the team. The motivation to reach those goals wasn't money or anything material -
- I told Jessica and Boxer when the team situation and atmosphere wasn't that good, that I could work for the team for two more years, until I was 31, without anything like a salary, and do what I could to achieve those goals. If there wasn't a corporate sponsor by that time, or if the team disbanded before then -
- I said I could go abroad and work myself to death to make up the money I hadn't made before, so they didn't have to worry. Compared to $100,000's they put into the team. Also, that time was just a very bad period, and Boxer and Jessica tried to get me a coaching position on a different team, and I said I wouldn't go - Doesn't this put Crank out in the clear? The whole reason that Crank was a part of this in the first place was because he "illegally" left the team, but since it already was known that he was leaving...?
You would think, but everyone is still angry that he was so furtive about it.
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The phone call should be taken with a grain of salt. If Jessica knew the call was being recorded while Crank did not, Jessica could have incited him to speak rudely on purpose to make him sound bad and herself sound good.
It's extremely convenient and rather suspicious that she had a recording of the phone call anyway.
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On October 23 2012 10:07 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:01 Waxangel wrote:
the phone call is boring, so here's cella's twitter stream of thought
if it's hard to read, then it's because I translated it without thinking to fix his rambling to a more readable form
@SlayersCella
I wasn't going to write about the recent news if I could avoid it - Crank said that he would leave the team at the end of the season [Note: probably means GSTL/GSL], and asked that I keep it a secret from Jessica for the time being. When he abruptly began to pack his things before the vs. TSL match, and I asked him what he was doing, he said that he planned to go home and play while resting. So I asked him if I could tell Jessica, and he said that he was going to tell her -
- so I guess he told her, she asked me whether it was okay for him to play from home. I replied that he had a prepared strategy for the vs. Fnatic game that he had not used, so it was no problem if he played from home, so we had talked to Jessica and it was fully okay to send him home -
- Also, Crank definitely said that he was leaving the team at the end of the season, and we were in the middle of the season then. He asked if it was okay to play from home, and I said it as okay, and because he said he was leaving the team after the season ended, I thought obviously there would be no problem for him to play in the match, and he was very well prepared as well. So I thought it was fine if he went home to rest and practice -
- and have a final check-up on him after he rejoined the team the day before the match. It was a strategy he had practiced for almost two weeks, so he was as used to it as possible. However, when Crank received the contact regarding entries/roster when he was at home, he complained to me asking why Jessica would do that, so I asked him what the problem was? -
- and he asked me "are you asking because you really don't know?" and I told him I really didn't know, to which he said then "well if you don't know, just keep it that way." I hadn't heard a request to remove himself from the roster befoer that, nor did he tell me that he was going to focus solely on medical care. -
*[Cella's Self Correction Tweet] A correction, he did definitely ask to be removed from the roster. After he went back home. He asked to be removed from the roster before going back home, he would have had to had discussed it with Jessica. Because it was mid-season, I thought even if he went back home he could play in the match, and anyway I passed on that request to Jessica later. -
- At the time, I had made a bad decision because of my attachment to the team, and I think I contributed to the team heading towards a crisis, and I was criticized heavily by Boxer and Jessica after that. As for that bad decision, I don't want anything to happen to the players, so I'll just take the criticism that I'm covering things up, and shut my mouth about it. -
- Regarding payment, I'm not financially well off, but I'm thankful to Boxer and Jessica for taking in a guy like me, and I did make my own personal goals for what I wanted to achieve with the team. The motivation to reach those goals wasn't money or anything material -
- I told Jessica and Boxer when the team situation and atmosphere wasn't that good, that I could work for the team for two more years, until I was 31, without anything like a salary, and do what I could to achieve those goals. If there wasn't a corporate sponsor by that time, or if the team disbanded before then -
- I said I could go abroad and work myself to death to make up the money I hadn't made before, so they didn't have to worry. Compared to $100,000's they put into the team. Also, that time was just a very bad period, and Boxer and Jessica tried to get me a coaching position on a different team, and I said I wouldn't go - Doesn't this put Crank out in the clear? The whole reason that Crank was a part of this in the first place was because he "illegally" left the team, but since it already was known that he was leaving...?
Not quite. What people have a problem with is the reason Crank gave for leaving, not whether they knew about it in advance or not.
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On October 23 2012 10:06 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 Jindo wrote:On October 23 2012 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:
No matter how you look at this everything goes back to Slayers having a bad manager/bad training environment/jessica.
If the team was run properly none of this would have happened and everyone would be happy, MMA would probably have a few more GSL's under his belt, Boxer might not have left to coach, and Slayers wouldn't have had to die. Yeah, she was a good manager when Slayers won GSTL two times. But now, she's terrible. THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on? None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of.
Okay. According to you (and the players), a bad enviroment pretty much shuts down any victories, on the other hand, a good enviroment does not have any impact at all (thats why CranK is telling us he wanted to improve on that).
Thats logic to me. Right.
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On October 23 2012 10:03 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:59 Snusmumriken wrote:
again who actually keeps all this type of evidence in the first place? that too me is a sign something is wrong, and I doubt very much that jessica is being impartial in what she brings to the table...
And that phonecall, I dont see what crank did wrong. He wasnt even under contract so its really none of their business why he wanted to leave is it? Perhaps I missed something there. It's common business sense to record and keep everything for atleast the past 2 years.
Thats not my point though. She is 40, and she is obviously sneaky sneaky enough to do it. Call it business sense or whatever. You think MMA or any of the players have this kind of foresight? obviously not. Now she is in a position where she can pick and choose what type of evidence is being brought forward. To not believe she is being biased in what evidence she presents one would have to be extremely naive. Having said that, its also common business sense not to expect things without there being a contract written. Guess Koreans dont know about that? :p
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On October 23 2012 10:05 Frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:47 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 09:45 EMIYA wrote:
MMA deserves better. Go to EG or liquid.
Honestly, he did a bit wrong too, like being too pensive and sensitive enough to not confront these communication break downs as they appeared, but I don't really blame him too much--its pretty much how the their culture works half the time. Refuses to pay his Coach who won him the GSL. Deserves better, good logic. Yet some refuse to believe it. Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too. Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event. I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general.
To you, maybe. But to many people, she needs to provide evidence or Coach Ryu's testimony/affidavit to prove it beyond doubt. Like you said, right now it's just "she said that he said that". That's hardly an evidence and would be laughed at in court.
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On October 23 2012 10:08 banjo1735 wrote:
The phone call should be taken with a grain of salt. If Jessica knew the call was being recorded while Crank did not, Jessica could have incited him to speak rudely on purpose to make him sound bad and herself sound good.
It's extremely convenient and rather suspicious that she had a recording of the phone call anyway.
Nothing about phone call really gives any information we didn't already know, like waxangel said, its boring and not worth reading into.
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On October 23 2012 10:06 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 Jindo wrote:On October 23 2012 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:
No matter how you look at this everything goes back to Slayers having a bad manager/bad training environment/jessica.
If the team was run properly none of this would have happened and everyone would be happy, MMA would probably have a few more GSL's under his belt, Boxer might not have left to coach, and Slayers wouldn't have had to die. Yeah, she was a good manager when Slayers won GSTL two times. But now, she's terrible. THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on? None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of.
They do, they give the means for a GSTL victory, and the better the things I named are, the more likely you do achieve a victory. To say otherwise is just ridiculously shortsighted. While other teams may also have them, they were in no way living as extravagantly as Slayers was (in comparison ofcourse).
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On October 23 2012 10:07 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:06 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 Jindo wrote:On October 23 2012 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:
No matter how you look at this everything goes back to Slayers having a bad manager/bad training environment/jessica.
If the team was run properly none of this would have happened and everyone would be happy, MMA would probably have a few more GSL's under his belt, Boxer might not have left to coach, and Slayers wouldn't have had to die. Yeah, she was a good manager when Slayers won GSTL two times. But now, she's terrible. THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on? None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of. Coaching... leadership... prescence of m'fing boxer... Planning... Changing team rosters... Changing lineups / training... By your logic the IM roster should win every GSTL ever regardless of what team it was.
I don't know where you found that logic, but it is not mine. I don't even get the point of that post.
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On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in.
It's sad is what it is. Let's not forget this Manager J taking advantage of everyone's trust in him to accomplish...well what DID he want to accomplish? Who knows, but it was still completely messed up.
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On October 23 2012 10:09 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:06 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 10:02 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 10:00 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 09:54 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 09:51 Jimz1469 wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 Jindo wrote:On October 23 2012 09:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:
No matter how you look at this everything goes back to Slayers having a bad manager/bad training environment/jessica.
If the team was run properly none of this would have happened and everyone would be happy, MMA would probably have a few more GSL's under his belt, Boxer might not have left to coach, and Slayers wouldn't have had to die. Yeah, she was a good manager when Slayers won GSTL two times. But now, she's terrible. THEY won, not her. Good logic there. Team falls, her responsibility. Team wins GSTL, team's responsibility. The logic is pretty flawless. If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation. If a team falls apart, is ostracised from other teams / the scene, loses sponsors, loses a lot of talented players over a few months with most of remaining players wanting to leave as well, then it is the fault of the management alone. Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on? None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of. They do, they give the means for a GSTL victory, and the better the things I named are, the more likely you do achieve a victory. To say otherwise is just ridiculously shortsighted. While other teams may also have them, they were in no way living as extravagantly as Slayers was (in comparison ofcourse).
There is no correlation between living extravagantly and winning GSTL.
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On October 23 2012 10:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:05 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 09:58 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:55 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:53 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 09:49 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 09:47 Mackus wrote:On October 23 2012 09:45 EMIYA wrote:
MMA deserves better. Go to EG or liquid.
Honestly, he did a bit wrong too, like being too pensive and sensitive enough to not confront these communication break downs as they appeared, but I don't really blame him too much--its pretty much how the their culture works half the time. Refuses to pay his Coach who won him the GSL. Deserves better, good logic. Yet some refuse to believe it. Because you can't prove it beyond doubt? Well, If Jessica is lying about it, shes being very creative cuz it seems very "detailed" Giving graphics card to the coach instead of monetary compensation. hmm... That's not the question I asked. I asked whether you can prove it beyond doubt or not? If not, then what you said is only a speculation. And when people lied, the can be very creative too. Jessica mentions in her interview with TIG regarding MMA's statement that Coach Ryu HIMSELF came to her because MMA refused to pay Coach Ryu's share from MMA's earning in Anaheim GSL which MMA and Coach Ryu previously agreed on a 8:2 share as Coach Ryu served as MMA's personal coach. So when Jessica went to MMA to talk about the issue, MMA gave Jessica a graphics card that he RECEIVED at the event. I don't care whether you people keep saying "well, its still he said that she said that", because to me the evidence is pretty damning of both Crank and MMA and the Slayers players in general. To you, maybe. But to many people, she needs to provide evidence or Coach Ryu's testimony/affidavit to prove it beyond doubt. Like you said, right now it's just "she said that he said that". That's hardly an evidence and would be laughed at in court.
That's the thing. She already mentioned that she has the evidences to back up her claims and will go to court if necessary. But, i don't know if you read some of the previous articles, she does not want to downright kill Crank's and MMA's careers which is why she's only asking for an apology and nothing else. I mean your opinion does not matter at all whether Jessica and the involved members go to court, but you can continue to doubt whatever.
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On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in.
They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20.
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On October 23 2012 10:12 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:10 monkybone wrote:
Let's not forget, these are relatively young people caught up in questionable management. While both sides are to blame, I'm tending to side with the players.
It almost seems that Crank was emotionally abused during all of this... Crying in frustration over the phone, caught up in disputes you cannot win due to having mixed feelings about the situation he was in. They are in the mid 20s. You are really suppose to man up at age 20.
Says who?
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