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On October 23 2012 08:28 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:22 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Cella is even siding with Jessica on this matter. I'm not sure how much more you guys need to stop defending the player and ridiculing Jessica. On October 23 2012 08:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
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How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that... Kids..? Do you even know how old they are? Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid. They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them. That's fine, I beg to differ but it's a fine opinion to have  -gasp- You mean two people can have different opinions but still be civil towards each other? MADNESS. Ridiculous notion, right? Stop 'ridiculing' Jessica for shitting on her players in her last statement? She could have easily left the drama out and parted on a note that Slayers had internal disputes. Instead she took the low road, and released anything convenient to making her look like a saint and the players the destruction of SlayerS. She's not innocent in this either, and shes wholly responsible for bringing the drama to the public forum. I'm willing to bet my life savings on you doing the same as her if you have felt as wronged as she apperantly felt. If what she says holds up, I'm sure nearly everyone would've done the same. You're just a bunch of hypocrites if you think you could've bottled it all up to be forgotten.
Both Jessica's and my emotions have nothing to do with any of this. Where every manager and spokesman before her have the self-control to remain calm and keep the discussion professional, she cannot. I (probably?) shouldn't be a manager -- and she should not be either.
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On October 23 2012 08:26 LighT. wrote:
I just dont appreciate people who blindly side with the players because of a reputation. Reading these posts, youd think crank did no wrong and jessica is sole creator of the mess
Yeah it's no doubt a combination of factors and mistakes from all of them. But the reason people are reacting differently to Crank and Jessica is probably a question of attitude. Whether he was right or wrong, Crank just calmly states his side. Jessica is burning to expose and crush these guys... It's not very dignified and it looks bad. Especially when you consider that she is 40 and well-off and she is trying to ruin a bunch of young dudes in their early twenties. Call me crazy, but this seems unnecessary. If she really gave a shit about SlayerS and their memory she could just let it go now. Pursuing this to the bitter end is pointless.
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I think the concept behind the Captain is always responsible/goes down with the ship isn't that others don't have blame. But because the captain has responsibility throughout (stocks the ship, charters the route, crews the ship, etc) that anything that goes wrong is enivitable of his design and ultimately his fault for lack of forethought, error in judgement. Anything else (like a giant storm) they'd say meant he was meant to die (ie act of God).
Not that it is my opinion ^^, but I think some of you non sailors are missing that the main point isn't that its only managements fault, but regardless of the heaps of fault everywhere, management is accountable along as at fault. Sorry if i'm stepping on any toes
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Is so hard to tell the truth when things become overly dramatize
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On October 23 2012 08:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:16 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 dsousa wrote:On October 23 2012 08:13 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Subversive wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this? It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case. spin doctor who has presented records and evidence? in what world is that spin? that's called truth. Spin doesn't matter. The captain of the ship is responsible for the outcome of the trip. The ship sank. Good luck steering your ship through a maze of icebergs Capt: Hey guys, go this way, I trust you guys to follow this path while I go handle some shipment calls Employees: God he's never around, lets just go this way instead Capt: Hey guys, is everything okay? I said go this way, please go this way, I need to take care of some things, if there's problems please let me know though okay? Employee # 1: I heard Captain is taking our pay! I'm don't trust em, despite them never needing money because they created this ship for us in the first place, but that's besides the point! I just don't trust em now. Employee #2: I don't like how this ship is being run, I'm gonna request off this boat, and claim injury, but then secretly join another competitive boat, and work for them for more $! Employee #3: I don't think this boat has enough fancy things on it, I don't like it, even though I work hard enough to come in 2nd place against other boats. Capt: Uhh, guys, there's an iceberg in front of us and we can't turn away fast enough wtf happened. I'm gonna report all of your issues so you guys have to admit your wrong doings before you move on to other boats. It's only fair. Employee #1 : YOU STEAL MY MONIES, SCREW YOU Employee #2 : IM ALREADY AT HOME AND WITH NEW TEAM, I'll JUST LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SAY BECAUSE ITS YOUR WORDS VERSUS MINE! Employee #3 : I'll LIE AS WELL! Capt: well Employee #1, we never took money from you, so come clean, Employee #2, we had video cameras on teh boat and caught you lying, and we have proof you came into the captains quarters and screamed at us instead of presenting the problems when asked by the crew captain. Employee #3, here's proof you're lying HEY GUYS CAPTAIN IS ALL AT FAULT HERE, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EMPLOYEES RIGHT? obviously the captain should've taken the reins earlier, or designated someone to take over who was more trust worthy, but goddamnit, blaming everything on the captain sure is a retarded scapegoat out of this. Not to mention your scenario is totally ridiculous, in your scenario, your captain failed at picking correct crew, which is part of the job. Not many people are blaming everything on the captain but only on person here is having problems with literally every single person who comes in contact with.
By literally every person you mean four people, and none of the other players on Slayers. Stop twisting it as if Alicia, MMA, Crank consisted of the entire roster of Slayers.
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CranK is fucked lol so bad.
Phone call transcription released.
Acts like a kid.
Fights with Boxer's wife on the phone lol.
People think he is retarded because he asks so many times "what did I do wrong" lol.
Boxer handled the situation nicely.
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On October 23 2012 08:31 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:28 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:22 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Cella is even siding with Jessica on this matter. I'm not sure how much more you guys need to stop defending the player and ridiculing Jessica. On October 23 2012 08:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
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Kids..? Do you even know how old they are? Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid. They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them. That's fine, I beg to differ but it's a fine opinion to have -gasp- You mean two people can have different opinions but still be civil towards each other? MADNESS. Ridiculous notion, right? Stop 'ridiculing' Jessica for shitting on her players in her last statement? She could have easily left the drama out and parted on a note that Slayers had internal disputes. Instead she took the low road, and released anything convenient to making her look like a saint and the players the destruction of SlayerS. She's not innocent in this either, and shes wholly responsible for bringing the drama to the public forum. I'm willing to bet my life savings on you doing the same as her if you have felt as wronged as she apperantly felt. If what she says holds up, I'm sure nearly everyone would've done the same. You're just a bunch of hypocrites if you think you could've bottled it all up to be forgotten. Both Jessica's and my emotions have nothing to do with any of this. Where every manager and spokesman before her have the self-control to remain calm and keep the discussion professional, she cannot. I shouldn't be a manager -- and she should not be either.
Yes, that's simply because every manager and spokesman normally stays in the same profession and thus you cannot afford to lose relations. So yes, it does in fact have everything to do with this.
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On October 23 2012 08:34 ThePurist wrote:
CranK is fucked lol so bad.
Phone call transcription released.
Acts like a kid.
Fights with Boxer's wife on the phone lol.
People think he is retarded because he asks so many times "what did I do wrong" lol.
Boxer handled the situation nicely.
Link please?
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On October 23 2012 08:34 ThePurist wrote:
CranK is fucked lol so bad.
Phone call transcription released.
Acts like a kid.
Fights with Boxer's wife on the phone lol.
People think he is retarded because he asks so many times "what did I do wrong" lol.
Boxer handled the situation nicely.
Any translations?
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Who is this Jessica and why was she allowed to manage one of the best founding teams of SC2? Who is her superior and why did he allow this to go on? I would imagine a good practice environment is what really separates the good teams from the bad.
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Most people here need a translation...
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On October 23 2012 08:05 wanghis wrote:
JESSICA IS KILLING ESPORTS
ANOTHER THREAD NAO!!1
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I'd trust MMA any day of the week over Jessica.
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On October 23 2012 08:35 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:31 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:28 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:22 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Cella is even siding with Jessica on this matter. I'm not sure how much more you guys need to stop defending the player and ridiculing Jessica. On October 23 2012 08:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
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Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid. They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them. That's fine, I beg to differ but it's a fine opinion to have -gasp- You mean two people can have different opinions but still be civil towards each other? MADNESS. Ridiculous notion, right? Stop 'ridiculing' Jessica for shitting on her players in her last statement? She could have easily left the drama out and parted on a note that Slayers had internal disputes. Instead she took the low road, and released anything convenient to making her look like a saint and the players the destruction of SlayerS. She's not innocent in this either, and shes wholly responsible for bringing the drama to the public forum. I'm willing to bet my life savings on you doing the same as her if you have felt as wronged as she apperantly felt. If what she says holds up, I'm sure nearly everyone would've done the same. You're just a bunch of hypocrites if you think you could've bottled it all up to be forgotten. Both Jessica's and my emotions have nothing to do with any of this. Where every manager and spokesman before her have the self-control to remain calm and keep the discussion professional, she cannot. I shouldn't be a manager -- and she should not be either. Yes, that's simply because every manager and spokesman normally stays in the same profession and thus you cannot afford to lose relations. So yes, it does in fact have everything to do with this.
He is saying that it is part of a manager's job to be professional. Whether she stays in the same role or burns bridges is immaterial to how she should act.
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On October 23 2012 08:36 Interstellar wrote:
Who is this Jessica and why was she allowed to manage one of the best founding teams of SC2? Who is her superior and why did he allow this to go on? I would imagine a good practice environment is what really separates the good teams from the bad.
Jessica = Kim Ka-Yeon, a semi-popular actress in South Korea. Her fiancé is Boxer.
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On October 23 2012 08:35 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:31 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:28 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:22 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Cella is even siding with Jessica on this matter. I'm not sure how much more you guys need to stop defending the player and ridiculing Jessica. On October 23 2012 08:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
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Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid. They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them. That's fine, I beg to differ but it's a fine opinion to have -gasp- You mean two people can have different opinions but still be civil towards each other? MADNESS. Ridiculous notion, right? Stop 'ridiculing' Jessica for shitting on her players in her last statement? She could have easily left the drama out and parted on a note that Slayers had internal disputes. Instead she took the low road, and released anything convenient to making her look like a saint and the players the destruction of SlayerS. She's not innocent in this either, and shes wholly responsible for bringing the drama to the public forum. I'm willing to bet my life savings on you doing the same as her if you have felt as wronged as she apperantly felt. If what she says holds up, I'm sure nearly everyone would've done the same. You're just a bunch of hypocrites if you think you could've bottled it all up to be forgotten. Both Jessica's and my emotions have nothing to do with any of this. Where every manager and spokesman before her have the self-control to remain calm and keep the discussion professional, she cannot. I shouldn't be a manager -- and she should not be either. Yes, that's simply because every manager and spokesman normally stays in the same profession and thus you cannot afford to lose relations. So yes, it does in fact have everything to do with this.
No, it doesn't. Lol. You have expectations to be met as a manager. When you fail and are a poor manager, you don't blame everyone else and go further and tarnish their reputation -- true or false, in selectively revealing insider info within the team. Jessica isn't granted an excuse because she handled (and continues to handle) this horribly, whether it's her emotional state or whatever problem she has.
I guess as long as Jessica feels wronged she can do whatever the hell she wants, right? Should probably just lock this thread up unless you've managed a team before. What a ridiculous reply.
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On October 23 2012 08:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:16 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 dsousa wrote:On October 23 2012 08:13 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Subversive wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this? It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case. spin doctor who has presented records and evidence? in what world is that spin? that's called truth. Spin doesn't matter. The captain of the ship is responsible for the outcome of the trip. The ship sank. Good luck steering your ship through a maze of icebergs Capt: Hey guys, go this way, I trust you guys to follow this path while I go handle some shipment calls Employees: God he's never around, lets just go this way instead Capt: Hey guys, is everything okay? I said go this way, please go this way, I need to take care of some things, if there's problems please let me know though okay? Employee # 1: I heard Captain is taking our pay! I'm don't trust em, despite them never needing money because they created this ship for us in the first place, but that's besides the point! I just don't trust em now. Employee #2: I don't like how this ship is being run, I'm gonna request off this boat, and claim injury, but then secretly join another competitive boat, and work for them for more $! Employee #3: I don't think this boat has enough fancy things on it, I don't like it, even though I work hard enough to come in 2nd place against other boats. Capt: Uhh, guys, there's an iceberg in front of us and we can't turn away fast enough wtf happened. I'm gonna report all of your issues so you guys have to admit your wrong doings before you move on to other boats. It's only fair. Employee #1 : YOU STEAL MY MONIES, SCREW YOU Employee #2 : IM ALREADY AT HOME AND WITH NEW TEAM, I'll JUST LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SAY BECAUSE ITS YOUR WORDS VERSUS MINE! Employee #3 : I'll LIE AS WELL! Capt: well Employee #1, we never took money from you, so come clean, Employee #2, we had video cameras on teh boat and caught you lying, and we have proof you came into the captains quarters and screamed at us instead of presenting the problems when asked by the crew captain. Employee #3, here's proof you're lying HEY GUYS CAPTAIN IS ALL AT FAULT HERE, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EMPLOYEES RIGHT? obviously the captain should've taken the reins earlier, or designated someone to take over who was more trust worthy, but goddamnit, blaming everything on the captain sure is a retarded scapegoat out of this. Not to mention your scenario is totally ridiculous, in your scenario, your captain failed at picking correct crew, which is part of the job. Not many people are blaming everything on the captain but only on person here is having problems with literally every single person who comes in contact with.
Are we using gross generalizations now? ' Literally every single person'? Except that she transferred Taeja away without issue. Ganzi left without issue. Several of the B teamers have stayed committed to the team and have excelled recently. Coca, Min, and Puzzle leaving were due to the ESF drama, not because of Jessica, and she let them leave due to their wishes. She's only come out and stated things against people who have wronged her or the team in a negative way. Yes, because picking excellent players and bringing them to light int he best way possible was her fault. Who would MMA be if he wasn't on slayers in the GSTL, and being sent all over the world winning foreign tournaments. Who would ALICIA be, who was only a diamond leaguer who boxer took in despite not making it through their team ranking tournament, and ended up getting put in the limelight in several tournaments including GSTL. Gasp, totally their fault for helping these deserving players get what they deserve right?
Jesus, it's like people side with the players, then just completely forget that they would never even be there if SlayerS didn't take a chance on them. 'Literally every single person', yeah right. Cella is even taking Jessica's side in this, and you're gonna come here and now tell me that Cella is not someone who is trustworthy? Someone who doesn't appreciate fans, and loves us all? I'm waiting for it. When will someone come and call Cella a dirty drama whore.
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MMA's response seems mostly professional, calm, and collected. He really shouldn't have made shots at Boxer's and Jessica's relationship, though, but I guess his reputation's already ruined in Korea, so it doesn't matter what he says.
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MMA's statement is hard countered by Jessica.
It looks like the former coach Ryu won turned MMA's personal coach, and MMA was the one
responsible for paying Ryu won after he won GSL anaheim, but Ryu won only received a graphics card
worth $1000. So thats why Ryu won left slayers for woongjin
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On October 23 2012 08:38 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:35 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:31 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:28 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:22 rd wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Cella is even siding with Jessica on this matter. I'm not sure how much more you guys need to stop defending the player and ridiculing Jessica. On October 23 2012 08:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:
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They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them. That's fine, I beg to differ but it's a fine opinion to have -gasp- You mean two people can have different opinions but still be civil towards each other? MADNESS. Ridiculous notion, right? Stop 'ridiculing' Jessica for shitting on her players in her last statement? She could have easily left the drama out and parted on a note that Slayers had internal disputes. Instead she took the low road, and released anything convenient to making her look like a saint and the players the destruction of SlayerS. She's not innocent in this either, and shes wholly responsible for bringing the drama to the public forum. I'm willing to bet my life savings on you doing the same as her if you have felt as wronged as she apperantly felt. If what she says holds up, I'm sure nearly everyone would've done the same. You're just a bunch of hypocrites if you think you could've bottled it all up to be forgotten. Both Jessica's and my emotions have nothing to do with any of this. Where every manager and spokesman before her have the self-control to remain calm and keep the discussion professional, she cannot. I shouldn't be a manager -- and she should not be either. Yes, that's simply because every manager and spokesman normally stays in the same profession and thus you cannot afford to lose relations. So yes, it does in fact have everything to do with this. He is saying that it is part of a manager's job to be professional. Whether she stays in the same role or burns bridges is immaterial to how she should act.
I beg to differ. You apperantly don't see what I meant. A manager stays professional so he doesn't damage his relations, and therefore he can continue in his line of work. If none of that is your concern, even managers tell tales. There's actually quite a few examples outside of eSports.
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