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On October 23 2012 08:14 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:13 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Subversive wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this? It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case. spin doctor who has presented records and evidence? in what world is that spin? that's called truth. Spin doesn't matter. The captain of the ship is responsible for the outcome of the trip. The ship sank.
And said captain is trying to punish the sailors who made the boat sink, problem?
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On October 23 2012 08:14 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:13 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Subversive wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this? It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case. spin doctor who has presented records and evidence? in what world is that spin? that's called truth. Spin doesn't matter. The captain of the ship is responsible for the outcome of the trip. The ship sank.
Lol, your stance, while at least consistent, is comical. Whoever is in charge, takes sole responsibility regardless of what was within their control or not. What about boxer telling MMA that the rumors from manager J were false after investigating, yet MMA choosing to continue to distrust Jessica. Totally her fault right? Releasing Crank to rest because he insisted that he couldn't play and was thinking of quitting, then having him appear on stream and finding a foreign team, totally her fault too right? The amount of bias that people have towards the management here is borderline blind.
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On October 23 2012 08:14 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:13 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Subversive wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this? It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case. spin doctor who has presented records and evidence? in what world is that spin? that's called truth. Spin doesn't matter. The captain of the ship is responsible for the outcome of the trip. The ship sank.
Good luck steering your ship through a maze of icebergs 
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On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Cella is even siding with Jessica on this matter. I'm not sure how much more you guys need to stop defending the player and ridiculing Jessica. Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:11 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:09 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting. It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course. How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that... Kids..? Do you even know how old they are? Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid. They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them. That's fine, I beg to differ but it's a fine opinion to have -gasp- You mean two people can have different opinions but still be civil towards each other? MADNESS. Ridiculous notion, right?
I'll still defend Crank because I sympathize with why he did what he did...and that reason is, essentially, Jessica. But I'm going to wait for a translation of the phone call for now; that will clear up a lot, I think. I understand where the other side comes from, "it doesn't matter why he did what he did, only that he did what he did". I don't like it but I can understand it - doesn't mean I have to flame them.
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Yeah it's sounding like Jessica's experience and korean culture is giving her the big edge over these guys. No one really has made clear how these guys sunk slayers beyond nebulous claims.
All we know for sure is that Jessica failed as a team manager.
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On October 23 2012 08:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:13 rasers wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting. It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course. It doesnt matter, if what she said is true or not. Even if i can understand her, and sympathize, from a proffesional standpoint, managers do not burn their players to the ground out of some unclear personal motives. Why was it personal? She disbanded team and could leave it at that. Just formal announcements. Her vengeance doesnt serve anyone good. Even her. She didnt achieve anything apart from the ESF thing. Why are most eyes on her in the TL? Because, she started this by herself in public, roughly speaking. If her words are true she for sure should "burn" all the players on her way out. Just because they are your beloved players and they so freaking awesome and cool guys in your eyes.shouldn't protect them from such stuff... you mean she should burn the players for wanting to leave the team? Cause this fact is clear as day.
do you really think the players are innocent in all of this?
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On October 23 2012 08:05 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:01 LighT. wrote:
It seems like majority of TL sides with the players while almost all the koreans from fomos playxp etc. are siding with jessica. From just reading the first paragragh, jessica is calling cranks interview pure bs and listin her reasons Jessica should learn some dignity and just let things go. As if she hasn't said enough already. How immature do you have to be to want to spray more vitriol on these guys? Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting. It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course. How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that... Kids..? Do you even know how old they are? Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid. They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult. No way dude. 40 and 21/23 are different. Especially if you are also the person in the position of authority. That is not an even relationship at all.
What people have to understand is theyre all acting like little kids. Jessica according to her new interview is doing for honor. Mma accepted his wron doings he admitted the mistakes and he said you know what, slayers management was poor and lacking but i also did wrongful things myself, i take responsibility... Class
Crank and jess on the other hand is at war.. Theyre deluding themselves having no faults but theyre responsible for the mess and they have to accept it. Maybe crank is lying as jess states in her new interview or maybe jess is taking a misunderstanidng and blowing it out of porportion. But crank youre in your mid twenties, jessic youre in your forties.. Smarten up
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On October 23 2012 08:18 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 08:13 rasers wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting. It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course. It doesnt matter, if what she said is true or not. Even if i can understand her, and sympathize, from a proffesional standpoint, managers do not burn their players to the ground out of some unclear personal motives. Why was it personal? She disbanded team and could leave it at that. Just formal announcements. Her vengeance doesnt serve anyone good. Even her. She didnt achieve anything apart from the ESF thing. Why are most eyes on her in the TL? Because, she started this by herself in public, roughly speaking. If her words are true she for sure should "burn" all the players on her way out. Just because they are your beloved players and they so freaking awesome and cool guys in your eyes.shouldn't protect them from such stuff... you mean she should burn the players for wanting to leave the team? Cause this fact is clear as day. do you really think the players are innocent in all of this?
That's not what he said...
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Fenrax
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Can someone link me to the summary of the phone call? Cant find it.
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On October 23 2012 08:18 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 08:13 rasers wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting. It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course. It doesnt matter, if what she said is true or not. Even if i can understand her, and sympathize, from a proffesional standpoint, managers do not burn their players to the ground out of some unclear personal motives. Why was it personal? She disbanded team and could leave it at that. Just formal announcements. Her vengeance doesnt serve anyone good. Even her. She didnt achieve anything apart from the ESF thing. Why are most eyes on her in the TL? Because, she started this by herself in public, roughly speaking. If her words are true she for sure should "burn" all the players on her way out. Just because they are your beloved players and they so freaking awesome and cool guys in your eyes.shouldn't protect them from such stuff... you mean she should burn the players for wanting to leave the team? Cause this fact is clear as day. do you really think the players are innocent in all of this?
Im not siding with anyone here. I just said that managers are not supposed to ruin the players' future because they leave the team. Anywhere.
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On October 23 2012 08:16 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Where?
On October 23 2012 08:18 Sabu113 wrote:
Yeah it's sounding like Jessica's experience and korean culture is giving her the big edge over these guys. No one really has made clear how these guys sunk slayers beyond nebulous claims.
All we know for sure is that Jessica failed as a team manager.
Why are all these people claiming Jessica's side as "evidence"? I see several versions of a series of events. This is baffling.
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question is, what kind of a person collects all this evidence in the first place? Sneaky sneaky. I would not take Jessicas version of things as the complete truth, even though it may very well be true for the most part. She has collected her little box of tricks, and now she can choose what she wants to bring to the table. Sneaky sneaky
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On October 23 2012 08:19 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:18 rasers wrote:On October 23 2012 08:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 08:13 rasers wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 NightOfTheDead wrote:On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting. It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course. It doesnt matter, if what she said is true or not. Even if i can understand her, and sympathize, from a proffesional standpoint, managers do not burn their players to the ground out of some unclear personal motives. Why was it personal? She disbanded team and could leave it at that. Just formal announcements. Her vengeance doesnt serve anyone good. Even her. She didnt achieve anything apart from the ESF thing. Why are most eyes on her in the TL? Because, she started this by herself in public, roughly speaking. If her words are true she for sure should "burn" all the players on her way out. Just because they are your beloved players and they so freaking awesome and cool guys in your eyes.shouldn't protect them from such stuff... you mean she should burn the players for wanting to leave the team? Cause this fact is clear as day. do you really think the players are innocent in all of this? Im not siding with anyone here. I just said that managers are not supposed to ruin the players' future because they leave the team. Anywhere.
In her eyes they're not leaving the team, they are what "ruined" it. Since they ruined the team, she's going to ruin them. eye for an eye.
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On October 23 2012 08:19 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:16 Talin wrote:On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Where? Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:18 Sabu113 wrote:
Yeah it's sounding like Jessica's experience and korean culture is giving her the big edge over these guys. No one really has made clear how these guys sunk slayers beyond nebulous claims.
All we know for sure is that Jessica failed as a team manager. Why are all these people claiming Jessica's side as "evidence"? I see several versions of a series of events. This is baffling.
word.
I think it Jessica's fault on this one
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On October 23 2012 08:16 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:14 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Thehealbus wrote:
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.
I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.
It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank. Indeed, evidence that Crank has been lying and severely lacking in decency (not letting Slayers know anything) has been provided. Where?
It's all over the place really. There's some from me on page 8 of http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=376999¤tpage=8. But there's been more in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=206#4104, but can't be bothered to look through all the pages again.
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On October 23 2012 08:16 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:14 dsousa wrote:On October 23 2012 08:13 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 08:08 Subversive wrote:On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this? It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case. spin doctor who has presented records and evidence? in what world is that spin? that's called truth. Spin doesn't matter. The captain of the ship is responsible for the outcome of the trip. The ship sank. Lol, your stance, while at least consistent, is comical. Whoever is in charge, takes sole responsibility regardless of what was within their control or not. What about boxer telling MMA that the rumors from manager J were false after investigating, yet MMA choosing to continue to distrust Jessica. Totally her fault right? Releasing Crank to rest because he insisted that he couldn't play and was thinking of quitting, then having him appear on stream and finding a foreign team, totally her fault too right? The amount of bias that people have towards the management here is borderline blind.
You really think this level of distrust of your own team's manager just comes out of thin air?
Really...?
Jessica is 100% innocent of letting the team atmosphere get to this level?
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So much drama, when will it all just end?
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MMA's version of events sounds at least fifty thousand times more believable than Jessica's "I'm perfect and everyone else is terrible and ruined everything". Not sure how I feel about MMA talking about relationship problems in public though, that seems to be crossing the line.
Who knows though? Pretty sure it won't matter in Korea of course. . .
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On October 23 2012 07:33 tMomiji wrote:Good lord he really IS writing a novel...we need a translator out here XD
Things are heating up:
Cella: "Tremendous thumping thereafter to yohwan heterozygous and sister"
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So when are they gonna add a Tabloid section to the TL sidebar?
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