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Crank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS - Page 22

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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 23:03:53
October 22 2012 23:03 GMT
#421
I also have trouble with Jessica solely blaming two 23yo's a 21yo and Alica (however old he is), for all the problems. At least MMA and Crank have admitted some wrong-doing. Whereas she is 38? 40? And claims complete innocence and lashes out like she is simply the injured party and not even slightly responsible for anything that happened.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
October 22 2012 23:03 GMT
#422
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
October 22 2012 23:03 GMT
#423
I'm confused:

TIG: after the article came out, Jessica came to the interview for code a (july 25th)
Mma: I met with Jessica and asked ‘how could you write an article like this’. i asked ‘did I even ask for a transfer to a foreign team?’


And then:

TIG: you told Jessica you wanted to leave twice
Mma: yes, that’s right. The first time was when everyone at the team house was having a hard time because of the incident with manager J and I could not stand the management badmouthing me so I did not want to be a part of the team anymore. However there were those that helped me out a lot before and I was thankful, so I did not tell them of the current events (I think he’s referring to manager/coaches of other teams). instead, I said I wanted a transfer to a foreign team.


Did the second thing happened after the first? I was under the impression it was the other way around.
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
October 22 2012 23:04 GMT
#424
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult.
wanghis
Profile Joined July 2011
United States320 Posts
October 22 2012 23:05 GMT
#425
JESSICA IS KILLING ESPORTS

User was warned for this post
是那种想到他每天训练14个小时好辛苦就很心疼就想给他揉揉肩煲煲汤的那种爱
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 23:06:37
October 22 2012 23:05 GMT
#426
On October 23 2012 08:01 LighT. wrote:
It seems like majority of TL sides with the players while almost all the koreans from fomos playxp etc. are siding with jessica. From just reading the first paragragh, jessica is calling cranks interview pure bs and listin her reasons

Jessica should learn some dignity and just let things go. As if she hasn't said enough already. How immature do you have to be to want to spray more vitriol on these guys?

On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult.


No way dude. 40 and 21/23 are different. Especially if you are also the person in the position of authority. That is not an even relationship at all.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
October 22 2012 23:05 GMT
#427
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


Either way, there's the people with power - the management - and the poeple without - the employees.

Management holds all the cards, controls the messaging and has the contracts..... its insane that they would blame the players for the outcome of their organization.

zephiK
Profile Joined March 2012
United States372 Posts
October 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#428
Why can't all of this drama just go away? At the end of the day, SlayerS is disbanding and the players of SlayerS are looking for other teams. All of this drama is unnecessary (it brings the hits, that's for sure) but we truly need the facts out of it all and stop having the whole "he said, she said."
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
October 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#429
On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult.


Regardless I do not condone the way she has handled this and how she has attacked them.
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
KyPapie
Profile Joined January 2012
United States5 Posts
October 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#430
Poor MMA :[ i was always a fan of him while watching him play, hope to see him get on a good team and see more of his play ^^ GL MMA!!!
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#431
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this?
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
October 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#432
On October 23 2012 08:05 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:01 LighT. wrote:
It seems like majority of TL sides with the players while almost all the koreans from fomos playxp etc. are siding with jessica. From just reading the first paragragh, jessica is calling cranks interview pure bs and listin her reasons

Jessica should learn some dignity and just let things go. As if she hasn't said enough already. How immature do you have to be to want to spray more vitriol on these guys?


Then you can turn the tables on "these guys" too. How immature are they to not accept what they have done wrong.

Just sayin. Your point has zero sense, since more evidence actually Jessica provided.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 23:12:52
October 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#433
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


It doesnt matter, if what she said is true or not. Even if i can understand her, and sympathize, from a professional standpoint, managers do not burn their players to the ground out of some unclear personal motives. Why was it personal? She disbanded team and could leave it at that. Just formal announcements. Her vengeance doesnt serve anyone good. Even her. She didnt achieve anything apart from the ESF thing. Why are most eyes on her in the TL? Because, she started this by herself in public, roughly speaking.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
October 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#434
On October 23 2012 08:05 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


Either way, there's the people with power - the management - and the poeple without - the employees.

Management holds all the cards, controls the messaging and has the contracts..... its insane that they would blame the players for the outcome of their organization.



THIIIIIIIIIIIIS.
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
October 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#435
On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this?

Probably because she's Boxer's girlfriend
Thehealbus
Profile Joined July 2011
38 Posts
October 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#436
I think that Jessica tried her best to to the team as well as she could, but the amount of severe problems that the players caused led to the team breaking down.

I'm extremely disappointed that crank is trying to defend his constant lying.

It's a very big tell that cella is siding with Jessica against crank.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#437
On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult.


Past that point the law cannot treat them different than an adult. As far as anybody else is concerned, they can treat them (or think of them) however they like.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
October 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#438
On October 23 2012 08:04 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 08:03 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 08:00 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:59 tMomiji wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:56 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 07:53 Jetaap wrote:
I hate this, Jessica is acting completly insane and is incredibly destructive. Why the hell does she wants to have these players burn to flame, even if there was some truth in what he said she would not be right to do it this way.
Absolutely disgusting.


It's perfectly justied that's she's doing this, if what she said is true. I don't believe we should support and encourage those players, nor give them the ability to 'rake in the money' as it were. And I stress again, that's only if it's true of course.


How can this be justified, no matter *what* happened?? Attacking these kids like that? No matter what really happened I cannot condone that...


Kids..? Do you even know how old they are?


Yes I do. ^^ Crank is 23 and MMA is soon to be 24 - in just one week! Anyone under 30 is a kid to meeeee~ Not a child obviously, but still a kid.


They're of mature age, past that point you cannot treat them different than an adult.


Now people are claiming people age 23-24 are kids... awesome, the level of stretch and spin people are going to to defend players is ridiculous. Is jessica going kinda crazy in this? maybe, but she's merely stating the truths about what caused SlayerS to crumble, the ESF stuff is good to air out because it prevents them from doing it again in the future, now she's just making sure players man up to what they did, and admit they were wrong. Sure she needs to admit she was in the wrong too, which she may do once everyone has admitted fault as well, but right now she has consistently provided evidence and truth against players time and again, and she's offered them to apologize for their wrong doings but instead they've forced her to release statements over and over which further drags their name into the mud, and now Cella is even replying and basically stating the truth with what Jessica has been staying. So what now, you guys gonna turn on Cella as well?
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
October 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#439
On October 23 2012 08:07 SupLilSon wrote:
Why are Koreans siding with Jessica? I'm not saying they shouldn't but I just don't see a clear right or wrong here. To me it seems like all aspects of SlayerS were messed up. What aspect of this drama plants the blame squarely on MMA/Crank/Alicia? Can a Korean explain the reasoning behind this?

It really feels like Jessica is simply a better spin-doctor. She got in early with MMA being dropped to the b-team and then released that looong statement about MMA and Crank. Hard for them to get past the first impressions. But that's obviously just a guess, I'd also be interested to know from any Koreans why they think it's the case.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
iLevitate
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
October 22 2012 23:09 GMT
#440
Jessica's fault. Period.


jk xD
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