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Grubby's Manifesto on SC2 / eSports - Page 9

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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
October 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#161
On October 20 2012 18:58 salle wrote:

As far as I've been able to tell about 0.3% of people who use Liquipedia to look up information actually edit Liquipedia, that is about 3 people in a thousand. Sure there's about 200 000 who use Liquipedia per month giving us 600 or so people who contribute, which is great. But I sometimes imagine what would happen if 1% would contribute and we'd have 2000 editors active in a month


Sometimes I get the feeling that people genuinely don't understand that they can edit Liquipedia, which is kinda funny (and kinda unfortunate!). I periodically see comments like, "Man, someone should really update x" or something--I'm sure that sometimes they just want someone else to do the work, but other times I get the sense that they just honestly don't know they could change it themselves.


On October 20 2012 19:21 summerloud wrote:
summerloud's response to this post:

whats with people talking about them in 3rd person? first i read that thread by sase now grubby. you guys do realize that the author of a post is displayed, right?

typical case of USI (unwarranted self-importance)


I don't know man, I'm usually not looking at the poster's name when I scroll through the topic list, and if the topic is appearing in the sidebar then there's no way to see who wrote it (and most likely I'm not going to click on or read a random forum goers manifesto). Seems like you're reaching a little for something to complain about.
effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
October 21 2012 12:22 GMT
#162
Is it possible, in order to increase liquipedia's popularity, to ask to esport community/team website if they can add a link or a page who drive people to liquidpedia as the official data base of all informations about Starcraft 2 ?

This idea may looks too simple for being viable, but I'm sure there is little things to do who can change the relationship between casual gamer and e-sport! Most of them just doesn't know what it is or how it works.

Sorry bad english :D
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Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 12:46:27
October 21 2012 12:45 GMT
#163
It's always nice to read a text like this, where the bold parts line up beautifully and make sense even if you only read them, where the presentation follows a logic from introduction and body to conclusion. Where the tone of the text is one of constructive criticism rather than bashing.

Thanks, Grubby, for that beautifully written post.
moebius
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany9 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 13:45:15
October 21 2012 13:43 GMT
#164
Way to go Grubby! I really enjoyed reading your post and I absolutely agree!
Awesome structure, you are really showing how to organize your thoughts in a post, a lot of boons like me will profit from pro-gamer posts like these.
Everyone involved into making E-sports better, should really consider your suggestions!
<3 to you and all people @ TL
moe

edit: lets all donate to liquipedia, as soon as a donate button appears!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 21 2012 13:57 GMT
#165
On October 21 2012 02:40 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:58 salle wrote:

As far as I've been able to tell about 0.3% of people who use Liquipedia to look up information actually edit Liquipedia, that is about 3 people in a thousand. Sure there's about 200 000 who use Liquipedia per month giving us 600 or so people who contribute, which is great. But I sometimes imagine what would happen if 1% would contribute and we'd have 2000 editors active in a month


Sometimes I get the feeling that people genuinely don't understand that they can edit Liquipedia, which is kinda funny (and kinda unfortunate!). I periodically see comments like, "Man, someone should really update x" or something--I'm sure that sometimes they just want someone else to do the work, but other times I get the sense that they just honestly don't know they could change it themselves.


Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 19:21 summerloud wrote:
summerloud's response to this post:

whats with people talking about them in 3rd person? first i read that thread by sase now grubby. you guys do realize that the author of a post is displayed, right?

typical case of USI (unwarranted self-importance)


I don't know man, I'm usually not looking at the poster's name when I scroll through the topic list, and if the topic is appearing in the sidebar then there's no way to see who wrote it (and most likely I'm not going to click on or read a random forum goers manifesto). Seems like you're reaching a little for something to complain about.


AFAIK I've only edited it once EVER because someone messaged me to help with the Shield Battery thing. You see personally I don't actually WANT to edit it, not when someone else typically does it better than I do for one, and for another, generally other people who write it regularly have better writing and are more coherent in fewer words.
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
October 21 2012 14:04 GMT
#166
This is why MLG has such good reception of their live events, because there are only 4-6 a year. They're something to really look forward to.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
mortales
Profile Joined April 2012
174 Posts
October 21 2012 14:15 GMT
#167
If Blizzard listen to such nice and knowing guys, SC2 will never die.
Very well said, Grubby. I'm also very worried of SC2.
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 14:29:14
October 21 2012 14:24 GMT
#168
WOW Grubby! Amazing post, incredible effort, very accurate. 10/10

Keep it up!
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 14:51:19
October 21 2012 14:50 GMT
#169
On October 21 2012 02:40 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:58 salle wrote:

As far as I've been able to tell about 0.3% of people who use Liquipedia to look up information actually edit Liquipedia, that is about 3 people in a thousand. Sure there's about 200 000 who use Liquipedia per month giving us 600 or so people who contribute, which is great. But I sometimes imagine what would happen if 1% would contribute and we'd have 2000 editors active in a month


Sometimes I get the feeling that people genuinely don't understand that they can edit Liquipedia, which is kinda funny (and kinda unfortunate!). I periodically see comments like, "Man, someone should really update x" or something--I'm sure that sometimes they just want someone else to do the work, but other times I get the sense that they just honestly don't know they could change it themselves.


I would be one of these people...but now I know! I've never actually done any sort of wiki editing before, I didn't know that literally anyone could contribute. Do I even have to log in to anything?
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bri9and
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States246 Posts
October 21 2012 14:55 GMT
#170
This is the best, most concise, and most accurate post I have seen in a long time.. I hope to see this all over reddit, battle.net forums, and twitter. Grubby clearly knows what he is talking about and was able to articulate it in a way that was tactful, intelligent, and practical. <3 Grubby!
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ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
October 21 2012 14:57 GMT
#171
i really like it

pros should be more vocal about the scene and the game itself
Sqwrl.
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany18 Posts
October 24 2012 14:13 GMT
#172
On October 19 2012 15:26 Grubby wrote:
» For Liquipedia to start listing all of the replays & VOD's for all the events consistently.


I don't know if you or many other people here on TeamLiquid know about it, but there's a section on reddit, where you can look up and watch all the VOD's from recent (big) events.
They do a really good job (like you would expect from reddit), so maybe there is a possibility to combine this work with Liquipedia!?
here's what I'm talking about, it's really awesome for anyone out there to find all the VOD's you've been looking for!
(I haven't read through this thread, so I hope I'm not posting the same stuff as someone before me)

SpoilerFree SC2-VODs

I would also appreciate a Donate-Button for teamliquid, because it's such an amazing community and there's been put so much work into it for free!

btw, nice Post Grubby, I really like to read your thoughts about eSports and to see your passion for it!
• When life gives you lemons, make apple juice and have people wonder how the hell you did it.
Phye
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
21 Posts
October 25 2012 01:33 GMT
#173
Sadly this post got burried by all the recent drama. Such a well-written post deserve more attention! Rightfully bumping this!
http://i.imgur.com/LowEa.jpg
LDdota
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1465 Posts
October 25 2012 01:41 GMT
#174
Grubby, you are the best. Thank you for your service and contributions to the community!
Soft`Soap
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada865 Posts
October 25 2012 02:09 GMT
#175
Grubby should start GESPA
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