Nice to see a lot what i mailed got into the manifesto. I probably won't be the only one though ot submit them though.

Agree with almost everything that's said here. I only strongly disagree with the need of a governing body. It has some pros, but there also are cons, and i'm not convinced that having it has more pros than not having it. In the near future at least, i'd rather see the free market develop.

I'm proud of being the dutchman with grubby around :D (or am i baiting swedes then

)

ibo422

Belgium2844 Posts

October 19 2012 11:37 GMT

#82

Point 4 seems weird to me. Players should catch the attention by winning online cups, beasting it up on the ladder, performing well on local lan, ... before getting the 'chance' to get invited to a major lan. There is no point in inviting a player who's performing awfully just to represent his country. And yes, this still happens.

KrazyTrumpet

United States2520 Posts

October 19 2012 11:46 GMT

#83

On October 19 2012 19:49 Growiel wrote:

Show nested quote +

Actually MoP is considered by a lot of people (including hardcore raiders) as the best extension for WoW, after BC.

They can make mistake (ie: Catacrap), but they also learn from them.

And patch 1.0.5 for D3 is finally making the game feel like Diablo. I've been having more fun the last couple days with it than I have since the game released lol.

Blizzard DOES listen, and get shit right....it just takes a lot longer these days than we would like. Though I suppose that's the price you pay when you become as huge as they have; nothing gets done quickly.

SieS

Netherlands5 Posts

October 19 2012 12:02 GMT

#84

Thanks for your input Grubby!

I'm glad some pro-gamers take their time to clearly state what they think are priorities in eSports.
Without guidelines and a clear goal forward, development could take ages!

TWIX_Heaven

Denmark169 Posts

October 19 2012 12:10 GMT

#85

Excellent Post!
While i dont agree on all points (well mostly only on the cartel/boss org idea) I think Grubby really makes a important and valid point with this.

I especially think he is right when he says we should still have faith in Blizzard for a while! I mean yeah, look at SC1 before broodwar, D2 before LoD, D3 before 1.5(lol this is a clear one) or W3 before FT

I still have faith and hope the rest of the community will too!

Rasmudd

Sweden127 Posts

October 19 2012 12:13 GMT

#86

I know there are some people who are worried and don't like the pros speaking out. Me personally as someone who recently lost my SC2 watching passion takes these recent "manifestos" or "blogs" very encouraging. If Blizzard finally reacts and attends as best they could the game could truly become great and I'll definately come back!

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

October 19 2012 12:27 GMT

#87

Well written. Well done. A+

Thx Grubby.

Wildmoon

Thailand4189 Posts

October 19 2012 12:30 GMT

#88

On October 19 2012 15:45 FakeDeath wrote:
Very good post and really well-thought out.XD

Only thing i could disagreed with is the conclusion which is to have faith in Blizzard.
I have lost faith in Blizzard already.
When SC1 was released and BW was released, Blizzard was still a indie company.
Even when WC3/Frozen Throne released,Blizzard actually wanted to make good games for the community.

Those were their best games.

But now times has changed.Developer of SC1/BW,WC3/Frozen Throne have long left the company.
Blizzard got acquired by Activision.
The Blizzard right now is only looking for profit and not actually wanting to make the game better for e-sports.

Well, just want to state the fact that Blizzard has never been indie company and Rob Pardo who was Lead designer of BW and many RTS developers are still working at Blizzard so what you said are mostly wrong.

Lysanias

Netherlands8351 Posts

October 19 2012 12:34 GMT

#89

Well and clearly writen and hitting on some very good points, thanks for posting it.

The Pale King

33 Posts

October 19 2012 12:58 GMT

#90

Grubby is too smart to be playing video games! Very well spoken, and I always enjoy the manner in which he conducts himself

Sea_Food

Finland1612 Posts

October 19 2012 13:10 GMT

#91

So basically

Tournaments.
-Make better stream
-Make less tournaments
-Give money to bad players aswell.
-Use more money on players luxuries

Players
-Play better (exept koreans)

Blizzard
-Make game better

Viewers
-Use more personal time to help the charity that is sc2
-Use more money to help the charity that is sc2
-Tell grubbys sponsor how cool grubby is.

Rabinu

Netherlands1 Post

October 19 2012 13:11 GMT

#92

Grubby hits the right note for what is wrong in e-sports atm.
I really loved to read the whole post. normally i skip though thing but this was just really interesting to read.
I say Grubby for e-sport president!

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

October 19 2012 13:15 GMT

#93

This is a great article, and I hope it gets read by the people who need to read it most.

ucDarchon

Germany119 Posts

October 19 2012 13:22 GMT

#94

I don't have as much faith in Blizzard as you seem to, but I sure hope you're right.

sekritzzz

1515 Posts

October 19 2012 13:25 GMT

#95

On October 19 2012 22:10 Sea_Food wrote:
So basically

Tournaments.
-Make better stream
-Make less tournaments
-Give money to bad players aswell.
-Use more money on players luxuries

Players
-Play better (exept koreans)

Blizzard
-Make game better

Viewers
-Use more personal time to help the charity that is sc2
-Use more money to help the charity that is sc2
-Tell grubbys sponsor how cool grubby is.

Sea_food

- Get better reading skills.

Go re-read that if that is all you got from it.

Kontys

Finland659 Posts

October 19 2012 13:26 GMT

#96

My endorsement. Grubby for President!

HeeroFX

United States2704 Posts

October 19 2012 13:30 GMT

#97

Well i know for myself, I only watch tournaments that have players i am interested in. Sure I wish i could watch everything, but I don't have the time, and I will get worn out. As for blizzard, I do believe they make good games and HOTS will be a good game. I just wish blizzard would be more open to ideas from the coumunity. At the very list hire a guy to read a coummunity forum and if that guy thinks something is worth DB's time he can bring it up too him. Blizzard did let me down with D3, but companies don't make every game amazing, its just how it goes.

KDot2

United States1213 Posts

October 19 2012 13:30 GMT

#98

great post

I read every word but I cant help feel this would make a bigger impact as a vlog

people love to hear Grubby talk lol !

effecto

France142 Posts

October 19 2012 13:52 GMT

#99

I really agree with the blizzard responsabilities point, and being a competitive player, I'm so frustrated by the goal of blizzard to make the game as easy as possible !! I'm so worried about this at this time.

Anyways its a very good and positive post, depsite it shows e-sport weakness, it is also very exciting to see how much e-sport can improve !

I'll definetly try to balance my complaints with good feedback aswell.
gj grubby

Sorry for my bad english.

Chronos.

United States805 Posts

October 19 2012 13:59 GMT

#100

I'm loving all of these informative posts from pro-gamers about their opinions on the state of Starcraft. Hopefully Blizzard and tournament owners really start listening to what the actual community wants because of this. It can only benefit everyone involved.